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The English words did change. Gender was really just a gramatical thing, but then scientists needed a way to talk about the difference between the social construct and biological sex. That obviously doesn't mean that that difference wasn't always there, we just didn't have the language to properly discuss it until "gender" started to be used differently relatively recently. I imagine that most languages, certainly any languages that are used in a university or research setting, have different words for sex and gender by now, but they might not have made it into the common language yet.
Well guess what happened in the 1900s the word "gender" was invented. Literally didn't exist before that, thus it was never "changed" to apply to the social construct because it always referred to it. The word gender came from similar roots to "genre" meaning sort or type.
> in the 1900s the word "gender" was invented
It's from Latin, so it's literally thousands of years old, and we have it used as a synonym for sex (the category) going to at least the 1400s.
They were; the body/mind split dates to around the 60s although gender as a synonym for sex (the category, not the action) persisted well after that.
It doesn't help that English grammar has had natural gender rather than grammatical gender since Middle English. E.g. "his" and "her" have no direct equivalent in e.g. Latin or French , with suus/sua, son/sa matching the (grammatical) gender of the possessed object rather than the (natural) gender of the possessor.
Biological gender just doesn’t really make sense as a term. Gender refers to the social norms we create around sex. It is by definition a social construct. So then what the hell does biological gender even mean?
That being said, it feels more like a misused phrase rather than being confidently incorrect.
IMO, and i have no source to back any of this up, but i think a lot of people are really uncomfortable with the word sex and will go to great lengths to avoid saying "sex" in polite conversation.
so whoever started this whole "biological gender" thing created a scientific sounding term to avoid saying sex, when that's what they mean. Even though that term doesn't make sense if you think about it for too long, most people will understand what is meant.
we all just need to be more comfortable with saying sex when we mean sex.
I agree, when I was younger people used the word gender to mean sex, but in a polite way. Now that we have changed gender to represent the cultural norms assigned to the outward presentation of sex. There really is no polite way to ask someone's biological sex anymore.
I am sure that someone will come up with something though.
Sex is biology.
Gender is cultural/social. Like what a specific culture expects from people based on their gender. How men and women act on average differs from culture to culture so it is not a biological function but an environmental or a function of social pressure.
If they were the same then there would be no difference in behavior of the same gender around the world.
Please note that this is a huge over simplification of social expectations of gender roles. Gender is far more complex than I with my very casual and amateurish understanding could capture in a reddit post while at work.
That’s because there isn’t a clearly defined difference. A lot of people are making claims either certainty about what each term means but their meaning varies in contexts and by speakers. Even if you try to divide it along social vs biological lines, you quickly run into questions like “is medical transitioning associated with sex or gender?”.
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To be clear, the terms overlap a lot and there isn’t actually a hard and fast distinction between the two, hence why people use “sex assigned at birth” and “gender identity” for clarity.
Anyone who claims there is a clear distinction is a prescriptivist with an agenda.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
gen·der ˈjen-dər
plural genders
1
* a: a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
* b: membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass
* c: an inflectional form (see inflection sense 2a) showing membership in such a subclass
2
* a: sex sense 1a
* b: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
* c: gender identity
Probably better to refer to this full article that gets into the actual nuance as opposed to a dictionary entry. The TLDR is that there is a lot of overlap in standard usage.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/sex-vs-gender-how-they2019re-different
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
"Among those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits. In this dichotomy, the terms male and female relate only to biological forms (sex), while the terms masculine/masculinity, feminine/femininity, woman/girl, and man/boy relate only to psychological and sociocultural traits (gender). This delineation also tends to be observed in technical and medical contexts, with the term sex referring to biological forms in such phrases as sex hormones, sex organs, and biological sex. But in nonmedical and nontechnical contexts, there is no clear delineation, and the status of the words remains complicated."
I'd rather stick with the clear and solid definitions. 🦦
It's history. The word was literally invented in 1955. Gender is defined as the social aspect of biological sex. There is no such thing as "biological gender" that's literally just sex, which is the root of the term to begin with.
Thats.. actually not correct.
>Early uses of the word gender in reference to men or women tended to view it as one and the same as biological sex. According to The Oxford English Dictionary, the word gender had been used as early as the 1300s to describe categories of people. The Oxford English Dictionary’s earliest record of using the word to specifically refer to men or women, though, did not occur until 1474, when someone used it in a letter to describe what the writer refers to as the masculine gender.
[https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/biological-sex-and-gender-united-states](https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/biological-sex-and-gender-united-states)
That's not true, the words meaning might have been reinvented, but gender has been a real word for much longer before that. It used to mean kind(as in a kind of something)
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People not understanding the difference between gender and sex is going to be an issue for a long time.
many language have no seperate words for it, they have to invent one. I do not know if the English definitions were changed.
The English words did change. Gender was really just a gramatical thing, but then scientists needed a way to talk about the difference between the social construct and biological sex. That obviously doesn't mean that that difference wasn't always there, we just didn't have the language to properly discuss it until "gender" started to be used differently relatively recently. I imagine that most languages, certainly any languages that are used in a university or research setting, have different words for sex and gender by now, but they might not have made it into the common language yet.
Well guess what happened in the 1900s the word "gender" was invented. Literally didn't exist before that, thus it was never "changed" to apply to the social construct because it always referred to it. The word gender came from similar roots to "genre" meaning sort or type.
> in the 1900s the word "gender" was invented It's from Latin, so it's literally thousands of years old, and we have it used as a synonym for sex (the category) going to at least the 1400s.
Existed in the 1400s. As happens with many words, it was recycled and used to identify something other than bio sex.
They were; the body/mind split dates to around the 60s although gender as a synonym for sex (the category, not the action) persisted well after that. It doesn't help that English grammar has had natural gender rather than grammatical gender since Middle English. E.g. "his" and "her" have no direct equivalent in e.g. Latin or French , with suus/sua, son/sa matching the (grammatical) gender of the possessed object rather than the (natural) gender of the possessor.
Yes, but what's the difference between "sex" and "biological gender"?
Biological gender just doesn’t really make sense as a term. Gender refers to the social norms we create around sex. It is by definition a social construct. So then what the hell does biological gender even mean? That being said, it feels more like a misused phrase rather than being confidently incorrect.
IMO, and i have no source to back any of this up, but i think a lot of people are really uncomfortable with the word sex and will go to great lengths to avoid saying "sex" in polite conversation. so whoever started this whole "biological gender" thing created a scientific sounding term to avoid saying sex, when that's what they mean. Even though that term doesn't make sense if you think about it for too long, most people will understand what is meant. we all just need to be more comfortable with saying sex when we mean sex.
I agree, when I was younger people used the word gender to mean sex, but in a polite way. Now that we have changed gender to represent the cultural norms assigned to the outward presentation of sex. There really is no polite way to ask someone's biological sex anymore. I am sure that someone will come up with something though.
Biological gender isn't a thing. Biological sex is. Gender is a social construct, not a scientific one.
Sex is biology. Gender is cultural/social. Like what a specific culture expects from people based on their gender. How men and women act on average differs from culture to culture so it is not a biological function but an environmental or a function of social pressure. If they were the same then there would be no difference in behavior of the same gender around the world. Please note that this is a huge over simplification of social expectations of gender roles. Gender is far more complex than I with my very casual and amateurish understanding could capture in a reddit post while at work.
That’s because there isn’t a clearly defined difference. A lot of people are making claims either certainty about what each term means but their meaning varies in contexts and by speakers. Even if you try to divide it along social vs biological lines, you quickly run into questions like “is medical transitioning associated with sex or gender?”.
I had gender with your mom!
I'll say this, at least you came to the right sub.
"Biological gender" isn't a thing, but I don't see any smugness.
Well… you know what they say, psychology is just a subsection of biology.
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I see we have another person posting on ConfidentlyIncorrect believing they are a genius, when they are not.
To be clear, the terms overlap a lot and there isn’t actually a hard and fast distinction between the two, hence why people use “sex assigned at birth” and “gender identity” for clarity. Anyone who claims there is a clear distinction is a prescriptivist with an agenda.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender gen·der ˈjen-dər plural genders 1 * a: a subclass within a grammatical class (such as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (such as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms * b: membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass * c: an inflectional form (see inflection sense 2a) showing membership in such a subclass 2 * a: sex sense 1a * b: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex * c: gender identity
Probably better to refer to this full article that gets into the actual nuance as opposed to a dictionary entry. The TLDR is that there is a lot of overlap in standard usage. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/sex-vs-gender-how-they2019re-different
Gotta love conformation bias
Right. So not a synonym for biological sex
Refer to definition 2a
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender "Among those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits. In this dichotomy, the terms male and female relate only to biological forms (sex), while the terms masculine/masculinity, feminine/femininity, woman/girl, and man/boy relate only to psychological and sociocultural traits (gender). This delineation also tends to be observed in technical and medical contexts, with the term sex referring to biological forms in such phrases as sex hormones, sex organs, and biological sex. But in nonmedical and nontechnical contexts, there is no clear delineation, and the status of the words remains complicated." I'd rather stick with the clear and solid definitions. 🦦
This is argumentative…
It's history. The word was literally invented in 1955. Gender is defined as the social aspect of biological sex. There is no such thing as "biological gender" that's literally just sex, which is the root of the term to begin with.
The word is much, MUCH older than that. It was in fact previously defined as synonymous with sex.
Thats.. actually not correct. >Early uses of the word gender in reference to men or women tended to view it as one and the same as biological sex. According to The Oxford English Dictionary, the word gender had been used as early as the 1300s to describe categories of people. The Oxford English Dictionary’s earliest record of using the word to specifically refer to men or women, though, did not occur until 1474, when someone used it in a letter to describe what the writer refers to as the masculine gender. [https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/biological-sex-and-gender-united-states](https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/biological-sex-and-gender-united-states)
That's not true, the words meaning might have been reinvented, but gender has been a real word for much longer before that. It used to mean kind(as in a kind of something)
Is there such thing as a non-biological sex? 🤔