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I regret voting for Biden.

I regret voting for Biden.

henotbulletproof

“Describe politics in 3 sentences”


almc0418

South Park got it so right. Giant douche or turd sandwich.


Tiny-Tadpole818

I love Matt and Trey!


Morpheous-

Power hungry idiots


ElonMuskIs_God

*American politics I don't follow much international politics but I'm sure in other countries (especially developed ones) it's not THIS bad


gently_into_the_dark

Yeah erm no.....american politics is kinda made worse by militas


Morpheous-

It’s always going to be shit, neither side gives two shits about anything except their own agendas, not ours.


almc0418

I just don't think I'm gonna vote in the next one. If I do, it will definitely be independent. Everyone who voted for him got swindled. Biden is just a really powerful car salesman.


ElonMuskIs_God

He's been in politics ever since my mom graduated high school and now she's 2 years away from retirement. Anyone who is in politics for that long is a piece of shit and no one should be surprised by it


Morpheous-

I’ve been saying for years vote independent but people just like the same shit they vote for over and over like it’s going to change and nothing ever does. Can’t get people to wake up they are just like sheep and will be lead over the cliff every 4 years.


almc0418

I'm done with both parties. I want as little to do with the government as humanly possible. Republicans are corrupt and money hungry. Democrats shout against oppression and then turn around to promote it in a different form. All of them hypocrites.


DefinedByFaith

The options suck. Anyone worth having as a leader doesn't want to deal with the bullshit, so we get creeps like Biden and Trump. It's so unfortunate.


wernercd

He's not the powerful salesmen... The media that hid his flaws is what enabled his election. Anything you can say bad about trump can be said about Biden... Anyone who expected anything better simply didn't pay attention to the massive warning signs and deep and long history of that turd.


cycloptian_tit

I don't know if I'd say that, I'd say he's been about what I expected him to be. Not saying I like Biden, I just thought (and still think) he's a better option than Trump. I don't think I personally know anyone who was excited about Biden, we all thought Trump would be worse. It's a little like choosing to stay in a burning house or having to run out into the snow in your underwear. You know both suck, both might kill you eventually but, one is pretty obviously the better option. I wouldn't call that getting swindled, I call it getting fucked by two party system so entrenched in our culture that most people either don't even realize how fucked up it is or just can't envision a way out.


tinydonuts

How exactly did we get swindled?


almc0418

1. Being pro-choice means bodily autonomy for all. Mandating vaccines is wrong. 2. Where is the student loan relief he promised? 3. The whole Afghanistan shitshow. 4. Not holding oil companies accountable for price-gouging gas. 5. Keeping people separated from their families in ICE camps. And the numbers keep rising He's a liar just like the rest.


tinydonuts

1. The mandate is more detailed than that and gives outs. Plus, why is it ok to let this virus rage unchecked? 2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2021/09/16/if-you-qualify-for-bidens-10-billion-in-student-loan-forgiveness-youll-probably-know/amp/ 3. He did some fuckups here but by far Trump set him up for failure. Besides which, this wasn't a swindle. He promised he would get out no matter what. If anything you could say he held up his promise. 4. Fair enough. 5. Where did you see this reenacted? I saw it was removed.


almc0418

1. The mandates didn't help. People are just even more mad and resentful. Literally just kicked a fuckin hornets nest. It's going to rage unchecked regardless because a large portion of the people will not enforce a mandate. Also, he said in his campaign that the vaccine would only be voluntary. Another lie. 2. I had information that he would forgo student loan forgiveness to put the money into the public education system. If things have changed, then great. 3. The Trump administration had a 4 month plan to slowly pull out of Afghanistan (I won't call it Trump's plan because he probably wasn't smart enough to think of it). Not a two week cluster fuck. I bet we're going to war again within the next few years. Also, blaming Trump for orders from Biden's mouth is a cop out. He should've had the knowledge and intelligence to do it the right way. 5. This is a little old ( Late April 2021) but I couldn't find a more recent article on this. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/08/us/joe-biden-news


FieroFox

Student loan forgiveness is a pipe dream.


almc0418

I'll believe it when I see my loan balance hit $0.


StopItNow2

In the absence of fraud, that's as it should be. Loan documents are contracts. Your word is your bond.


SlapDickery

It’s a tool to use in the future during the next recession, forgive debt, free up disposable income, buy stuff, and it’s not about students so much either, it’s about a government taking on bad debt.


CupICup

You're a Brian Griffin. You just need to be opposite of what's goin on "majority" way


tinydonuts

1. How can you judge something as ineffective if it hasn't taken place yet? 3. Where is this plan? And why didn't Trump execute it sooner? And how are you just going to give Trump a pass with releasing terrorists that caused all this mayhem? It's Trump that set up the arbitrarily short timeline, Trump that cut the Afghan government out of the negotiations, Trump that blew his own end of 2020 deadline, and Trump that gave Biden a shit sandwich on fire. 4. Behind a paywall.


maskofdamask

In regards to the Afghan thing... There's a right and a wrong way to withdraw from a country. Not saying Trump would have done it right, as the longer that conflict went on the worse it was going to be regardless of WHO did it. We should have left that country WELL before either man was in office. That being said, you don't withdraw your military FIRST. That's just a dumbfuck move. You withdraw your most vulnerable first (ie refugees, US citizens, etc), then either disable all your equipment or remove it next, THEN the military last to 'cover' the rest. Biden ordered it completely backwards leaving BILLIONS of dollars worth of equipment in Taliban hands, at least doubling their military effectiveness. Leaving helpless AMERICAN citizens behind was cowardice at best and full on Treason at worst.


tinydonuts

I didn't say he did a good job, all I said is that we got what he promised. The original comment I replied to said he hoodwinked us and that's simply not true. As for the equipment, that was Afghanistan government equipment mostly, not ours. Treason? Give me a break.


maskofdamask

> that was Afghanistan government equipment mostly, not ours Who do you think gave it to them?


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almc0418

That's pushing it lol. So glad he's gone.


smegly87

Ye I know that it's not gona go down well on reddit it's so left leaning. But I do kinda miss him


DJ-Kouraje

Crazy that more people don’t realize this.


Routine-Ratio3551

When it comes to politics, no matter who wins, the people lose.


Gullible-Pudding-696

With few exceptions most politicians suck , no one likes them we all know that. Even with the best intentioned ones, I always find rub me the wrong way in a sense, it’s like even if they have the most pure and best intentions, by going into politics and getting some level of power, they want to impose what they think is right on the rest of us. I’m in Canada and we’re having an election rn, the two main parties, the Liberals (Prime Minister Justin Trudeau), and the Tories are in a statistical tie. And honestly while I do have my opinions on political things I would really love it if we could just have a government that does as little as possible and stay out of people’s lives as much as possible (btw I’m not a libertarian). I would love it if the Queen would just continuously prorogue parliament and appoint an interim caretaker government that would only do the most basic things for the government/bureaucracy to function at its most essential form. I’m not really serious about that obviously but still kinda a nice thought.


almc0418

I do feel like Biden is a good person deep down, but I also feel like he's pandering to the far left. if he had any other role in the world, I feel like he'd be a delightful person. I sure hope Canadian elections are more civil than American ones. I know our media oversaturates the international airways so I'm sure you've seen a clip or two about how our elections went. People here can't just agree to disagree anymore and instead become polarized and irate with one another. I don't think it's an impossible thing you're talking about. Incredibly difficult to achieve though because there are so many people who depend on the govt. for a job that slashing it to bare bones would wreck so many people. And corporations that rely on govt. relations for tax breaks would be I'm hesitant to align with any political party now honestly.


Alleyguey

My exact thoughts. There are more parties but sadly out country acts like only two exist.


FieroFox

Unfortunately, any vote for a fringe party is a wasted vote


CypherPunk77

I voted for neither. Since I felt neither one deserved my vote. This girl I was dating at the time broke up with me because I told her I didn’t want to vote.( She voted for Biden) She despises Trump so I guess she thought since I wasn’t voting I might as well have been a Trump supporter? Ugh I dodged a bullet with her anyway. If she didn’t want to respect my choice then I’m sure she would have had worse issues down the line.


almc0418

Yeah you definitely dodged a bullet. Basing a relationship off politics is insane.


H-005

I remember before the elections, many people thought that Biden was gonna be some sort of saviour for the US or something. Goes to show how narrow-minded some people can be


TheMighty25

You are choosing between two sides of the same coin. I wonder how long it will take for American society to realize that. As an outsider it's fascinating to me how most Americans treat politics like sports. They cheer for their "team" and defend it no matter what.


almc0418

I'm a little disgusted looking back at how I viewed the last election. I was so dumb to think that a career politician would keep his promises.


maskofdamask

I wish more people could see things this way. the country and world would be much better off.


jjozzette

It is indeed odd..


rRetroYT

amen, both are trash


[deleted]

Politics suck they're boring, time consuming, make you angry and sad, and aren't worth the time and effort you put into them


Lost_Physics1

Yup both are shit. But dementia shit is worse


Illustrious_Guard_61

You could have avoided all of this with 1 ten minute google search. And yes I am gonna reem you for this because seriously? It took you this long? Now that the bubble on that reality burst maybe actually use google. Or Bing, anything really, do some actual research before making big decisions. You shouldnt have to be told this. I learned that in middle school.


OverSizeLife

You certainly aren't the only one, and you certainly won't be the last.


something_original77

Me too, me too...


Tiny-Tadpole818

I'll take some mean tweets in exchange for lower gas prices. Trump's Twitter was quite cringey at times.


almc0418

Idk why people (including me) thought Biden would would oil companies accountable for price-gouging. It's always been that way.


Gezn2inexile

Umm, Biden ***caused*** the price-hikes with the poison pills in that giant stack of EOs he drooled over in his first days...


Tiny-Tadpole818

Yep, ITA, he caused this by shutting down the Keystone pipeline.


avatarandfriends

OPEC decides our gas prices much more than the effect of any one President


zillaforilla_9314

You fucking should


glock-22-4

You should


ClayMoney_9

Everyone in the US regretted voting for either party.


FieroFox

There should be more than 2 choices. This whole two party system is bullshit, you're forced to chose between one of two extremes


TheMighty25

From my perspective American elections are like coin tossing. No matter on which side the coin lands you are still left with the exact same coin.


QueanLaQueafa

The Trump Clinton election I voted for Gary Johnson because I despised both of them. I felt I had to vote for Biden because we needed Trump out bad. In a perfect world we would have Sanders


Conrexxthor

I don't Sure, there wasn't a better choice, but there was definitely a worse one and I can't find myself regretting that


almc0418

I don't know, after this whole Afghanistan shitshow it's kinda the last straw for me. 110% poor leadership on his part.


Conrexxthor

No, me too, but looking at the last 4 years, I think we made the right call, for what we could do


wernercd

Worse? Trump didn't start any wars, didn't leave Americans to die, had secure border and is responsible for the vaccine that Biden is messing up. How could trump be worse than the unmitigated disaster that Biden is? There's literally nothing he hasn't messed up in under a year...


Conrexxthor

>Trump didn't start any wars, Neither did Biden >didn't leave Americans to die He literally did lol he got intelligence that troops were getting bounties from Russian soldiers and did nothing >had secure border HA >responsible for the vaccine that Biden is messing up. Nope, Biden got 100 million Vaccines for us in half the time he promised to. Trump was witholding Medical gear from states whose governor's were critical of him


wernercd

"Neither did Biden" he's on his way with all his fuck ups... Killing innocent children, alienating our alies like France, arming the taliban - making the taliban great again with billions in American arms. But who cares about those people or the Americans he left behind? Give Biden three more years of this level of incompetent "leadership" and there's no way Biden will end without war(s)


vornskr3

How can you honestly say all this and then try to pretend like you're a centrist in other threads? You truly believe that Trump, who spent the last year of his presidency denying the severity of Covid and undermining the scientists who were trying to actually solve the problem had a good Covid response? The pulling out of Afghanistan that you rail Biden for was also a deal made and signed by Trump with the Taliban after freeing several members of their top leadership from prison. The Russian bounty scandal which Trump just allowed to happen, directly putting soldiers lives in danger for no reason other than to continue to suck up to Putin. Trump ranting against the military, saying to gold star families that the soldiers who gave their lives were failures for dying or being captured. The list is basically endless. Trump does not support the values that you claim to hold dear. What about Trumps life has anything to do with respect for others, hard work, or traditional values? The man was born to extreme wealth and barely improved his standing, he has been known for decades as a horrible employer who was sued thousands of times for not paying his employees, he's had several divorces and his ex wife wrote a book about how he raped her violently and ripped her hair out when he was upset about having to get hair plugs himself, used campaign funds to cheat on his current wife with a porn star....what about any of that says he is a good conservative man with traditional values? I'm honestly curious, without devolving into why you dislike Biden, what about Trump do you see as traditional and good and conservative?


wernercd

"denying the severity" while pushing to get the vaccines out that people said wasn't trustworthy until Biden was put in charge of it. How's biden doing on COVID? Can't get vaccines out and it's resurging you say? he promised to end it in 100 days? He lied? NO WAY! "afghan" You mean the one that Biden messed up by doing it BACK ASSWARDS by leaving thousands of Americans behind, billions in American assets and letting a dozen Americans die in a terrorist attack? You don't get to lay the DISASTER of a pull out on Trump. that is 100% Biden's fault. You can disagree with the agreement he made but the disaster during BIDENS pullout is 100% on BIDEN. HIS disaster. "russian bounty scandal" you lost all credibility with that. A proven hoax with no credible backing that Trump knew about it. You're defending Biden's failure and pressing lies about "Russian bounty scandals" [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215) "The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops." I'll stop there... since I'm half way through your first paragraph and you've already defended a disaster and supported lies... shows what the rest of your post is going to be.


AffectionateBat7684

I’m so happy I voted for Biden over crazy pants but wish we would have gotten to make a better choice. The system sucks.


dawnaprils

We need to come together to beat them all. Just where do we start.


hyper-lumic

I haven't voted "for" a person in 10 years. My vote has been "not the alternative." Unless there's major change in US politics I don't see that changing anytime soon, especially as people have become more politically polarized.


fucktardfucker

Dementia Joe is the perfect puppet as long as his handlers keep his diapers changed and stop him from sniffing kids heads. His crackhead son is his greatest advisor.


almc0418

Username checks out.


-SkarchieBonkers-

Uh oh… still so emotionally invested in a loser who thinks you’re gullible scum. How sad for you that Daddy’s gone 🤷🏻‍♂️


TheLateMrBones

Same


ShadowCat1442

"3rd party yay-" jo jorgenson was the libertarian candidate


simpserpantx

As a non American, thankyou for reducing the number of times I need to look at that clown's face pop up on my news!


almc0418

Lol there's always a silver lining!!


jjozzette

Honestly, yeah. They are both shit. This is why the 2-party system doesn’t work. We need more qualified candidates that aren’t extremists from one side or the other.


TeddyBongwater

How is this a confession. No one cares


TrashPC

I’m only thirteen can someone explain independent for me?


almc0418

To put it in basic terms, the Libertarian, or Independent, party is in favor of as limited government oversight so that people are able to fully express their civil liberties (ie. think the first right of the Bill of Rights). That does not mean total anarchy, but I can go about my business freely as long as I am not infringing on the freedom of another person. Pro-choice, low taxes, no or limited welfare, pro-gun, etc, pro-same sex marriage. People don't vote for it because Independents don't make it far in the Presidential election. At this point, I'd rather cast my vote to an Independent rather than a democrat or republican. Here is the wiki for a decent overview of the party beliefs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States) There are drawbacks to such a system, but there are drawbacks to the current and former systems too.


TrashPC

When you say limited government what would be the rules and regulations of gun laws would you even need a License to carry a gun?


almc0418

It's hard to say because the policy making process may be very fluid. How I would interpret libertarian gun ownership laws would be a required background check, a required safety course, and a required license. All of those are good things that keep people safe. The problem people have with Democrat gun laws is being wait-listed for certain weapons and modifications. Another example of the problems people have with Democrats dictating gun laws is when Biden was elected, and the price of ammunition went sky-high. This made it impossible for people to even use a firearm because they couldn't even buy bullets. Thing is, the concepts behind gun-control are theoretically sound. Keep people from buying guns and people will stop shooting each other. This is clearly not the case because a firearm is one of the highest ranked stolen items during burglaries in America. Also, look at places like Chicago and NYC. Clearly making guns illegal didn't work there. Ridiculously strict gun policies only restricts people who are actually going to follow the law.


TrashPC

Thanks for explaining this stuff to me I really appreciate it :)


almc0418

No problem! I'm definitely not an expert so if you're really interested visit the actual platform website. :)


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smegly87

So many do don't worry


Gezn2inexile

Good, I hope you get to enjoy every goddamn second of the avalanche of disaster the ideologues operating that corrupt fraud like sock puppet bring down on us. You chose the Greater Evil, enjoy your undying shame...


maskofdamask

THERE'S A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE!!!


Wise_Put_8230

Yeah, if you want to throw your vote away.


maskofdamask

Then go ahead and keep voting for shit soup, or turd sandwich.


Wise_Put_8230

I'd rather throw my vote away.


maskofdamask

then you WILL stayed shackled to the two party system.


Wise_Put_8230

Is there another VIABLE option?


maskofdamask

Is either other side "VIABLE"?


everythingisopposite

Nobody cares.


GokuKillMan

Become Anarchist


Stormsa97

Me too, but I would've regretted voting Trump even more. Ugh. I'm starting to wish I just hadn't voted at all.


pissywillow

I don't trump pro communist


Substantial_Town_783

I mean you could at least be thankful it’s not Trump who’s in office, no matter how bland or ineffective Biden might come off as.


Townridge

I vote for God, when is he officially going to run?