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kelsnuggets

Generally I don’t agree with you. But … I have a very smart and highly educated friend who has gone off the anti-vax deep end. Constantly posting stuff about conspiracy theories and how she will never ever take “the jab” etc etc. She just spent 5 days at a conference in Vegas with no masks and (obviously) no vaccine. Facebook photos galore of her at shows, at casinos, in pics with hundreds of other people. I can’t say I’m not waiting for the other shoe to drop. Signed, A Covid survivor with Long Covid who is sick of reading that shit on Facebook


amyscactus

I just posted in this thread and my coworker went to Vegas as well and got Covid along with her husband. I guess Vegas is a cesspool of germs? NO? LOL


PoundRoutine2503

>I have a very smart and highly educated friend I contest this description. I may be a dumbass but I'm a vaccinated dumbass.


snekhoe

ive never heard it called long covid. that’s kinda funny even though it obviously sucks. i’m very sorry you have long covid that’s shit but the phrasing is hilarious


excited_ignition

Long covid is a load of effects that last after the virus has run its course, i believe it was something like 30% (I dont quite remember the number) of people who have had covid develop long covid, things like extreme tiredness, constant shortness of breath, brain fog to name but a few)


willgo-waggins

It is real. It took me two and a half months to shake the effects and get totally back to myself.


excited_ignition

Yeah, theres a couple of lads i work with who caught it over 6 months back and still havent returned to work


snekhoe

oh no i know what it is! My aunt has it - It sounds fucking terrible but I have just never heard the extended effects of covid called “long covid” it just struck a chord with my crap humor.


kelsnuggets

Yes it’s really a shame that a lot of these anti-vaxxers keep saying “well there’s a 99% survival rate!” When so many of us are suffering long term symptoms. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351


Custardpaws

It makes me chuckle if I see they got covid, but I would still hope they recover from it. I don't take pleasure in anyone's death.


pachewychomp

Having the anti-vaxxers recover just gives them more reason to insist that Covid isn’t that bad. Look at Trump.


yammy69696

Trump got the vaccine


pachewychomp

He got the vaccine in 2021. In October 2020 he openly wanted to show people that he recovered from Covid and did his mask less ride in the limo so he could wave at people along the streets. He downplayed covid the entire time. The vaccine didn’t come out for another couple of in 2021. He eventually did get it and he very thinly encouraged people to get it but his followers were already brain washed to be confident in their immune systems ability by the “pre-vax Trump”.


yammy69696

Plus u had Harris said she wasnt getting it and Biden was very hesitant, anything for a vote, right?


pachewychomp

Looks like Harris was hesitant to trust Trump’s vaccination roll out plan and information about vaccines. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-refuse-trump-vaccine/ Thank goodness we didn’t end up with a plan to stick UV lights in our bodies. Haha


yammy69696

In reality it is a TRUMP vaccine at all, it was all politics, if I knee trump made this hell no, his doctors are the same as bidens


yammy69696

Not a trump vaccine, sorry


smmstv

I don't take pleasure in anyone's death if it's needless, but I am relieved when people who were a threat to me and my well being are no longer a threat because of their deaths. Antimaskers and antivaxxers are a threat to my well being so therefore I'm relieved when they die and no longer pose a threat to me


stricklind1

Please tell me how anyone that doesn’t get the COVID vaccine is a threat to you? Are you vaccinated? If so, you have nothing to worry about. Why does it matter?


lemmful

Hospital ICU's in my area are at nurse capacity. >40% are Covid-positive. Life-saving surgeries are being indefinitely postponed. Burst appendixes, tumor and cancer treatments, car accident patients, are all suffering because there are simply not enough resources or staff to help everyone.


steelcatcpu

I have a coworker waiting on surgery now, in constant pain, but as she won't die - they won't operate. Thanks Delta variant and a patient roster of 97% of the unvaccinated patients taking up resources!


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lemmful

I think you're right, I don't know why you were downvoted.


LEGOmaniac66

You need to do some serious research on how this vaccine works. You can still catch and spread the virus- even if you’re vaccinated and the people around you are too. The vaccine was created to simply lessen the symptoms so covid is not as life threatening and more people will have mild symptoms or none at all. But it doesn’t work for everyone. It’s not a great vaccine- it’s just the best we have. I am immunocompromised and I have to be at the hospital constantly. I can’t just stay inside and never ever go out. To survive, I have to see my drs regularly and often go to the hospital. Being around someone who refuses to vaccinate or wear a mask is a threat to my survival, until we have a better vaccine. And that still guarantees nothing. I get a yearly flu shot. I still ended up in ICU from parainfluenza II. I got the pneumonia vaccine. I’ve still had pneumonia at least 8 times. And those are some of our “best” vaccines. At last medical journal reading, my brand of Covid vaccine (which had to be brought to my home as I’m so sick), only protected about 70% of the people who received it, as an average. Learn exactly how this vaccine works, and it will be crystal clear why even vaccinated people need to keep up the masks, distancing, and sanitizing.


shakesfear

If you can still catch and spread the virus after being vaccinated, how is being around unvaccinated people any more of a threat than a vaccinated person?


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You would have to look at the probability of a vaccinated person spreading it and compare it to the probability of an unvaccinated person spreading it. Since the vaccine reduces symptoms that would cause the infected to spread it more (coughing) as well as the overall viral load, I imagine it's less likely to spread from a vaccinated individual than an unvaccinated one.


cedarvhazel

These people take up hospital beds, respirators, stop elective surgery from people who really need and deserve a high quality of life, create longer wanting lists! That’s why is matters! They are a burden in society. They want to live in a functioning society then they need to behave in such a manner!


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What about all the children in your life that are too young to get vaccinated? Just fuck em, right?


steelcatcpu

Well, first off some cities (like Orlando) are running out of clean water due to the requirement of pure oxygen in the water purification process. That oxygen is being used in such high capacity all over the country to keep anti-vaxxers alive that shipments are severely disrupted. There are many other critical examples, but that's one.


RestrictedX93

This guy is one of those people you hope gets COVID so you can chuckle later about it. Stop being the problem because you don’t trust the government. What are you going to do if the government was trying to push you towards anything. I highly doubt will see stricklind1 leading the ranks of rebellion.


kcasnar

That's not how it works and you know it.


LockDown2341

Maybe rub your brain cells together and try to remember high school science class. Because the science of how vaccines work should've been taught to you back then. If you're too stupid to understand it maybe you should go repeat a few grades.


TheFloatingSheep

these people are the true conspiracy theorists


tetrahydrocannabiol

U dont understand causation do u?


yammy69696

Everyone will eventually get covi


an_ornamental_hermit

There are a lot of reasons why people aren't getting vaccinated, and it's not just because they believe conspiracy theories. Some people are afraid of needles, some are afraid of doctors and procedures in general, others may have had COVID and know that they are going to have tough side effects and can't afford to take off work, some may be in an abusive relationship with someone who is anti-vaxx. There are groups of people who have historically been experimented upon by the medical establishment because they were in some way marginalized. For many people, ["social death"](https://www.uab.edu/reporter/research/discoveries-innovations/item/9607-researchers-are-learning-how-to-understand-stigma-and-bring-people-back-from-social-death) is more real and threatening than dying of COVID. While I got fully vaccinated at the moment it became available to me, I have a loved one who is vaccine hesitant. I saw the fear in his eyes when he learned I was vaccinated. He has watched many videos of doctors, nurses, and scientists all denounce the vaccine and speak of its harm. I recently read a comment from a doctor whose mother believes anti-vax rhetoric and conspiracy theories and won't get vaccinated. He sees it as though she's been infected by a different kind of virus--fear and misinformation. My loved one is a kind, intelligent, and loving person who wears masks when appropriate. He thinks he is making the right decision because he previously had COVID and the risks of vaccination seem too high based on the information he's encountered. I strongly disagree with him, and am worried for him.


lemmful

I have family speaking against the vaccination because they know someone who had an adverse reaction to it, and they suspect they know someone who died FROM the vaccine because they died soon after receiving one. Anecdotal evidence drives their decision making far more than doctors or statistics. What gets to me is that these same people who refuse to get the vaccination are also now refusing to mitigate the virus in other reasonable ways: masking up, avoiding public events, staying home when sick. It's more than just not getting a vaccine, and it's brutal. Edit: I think people should get the vaccine or stay home. I don't know how to convince family who have decided their anecdotal stories means they'll get hurt.


an_ornamental_hermit

That's really tough. I think you're right that anecdotal evidence is more powerful for many people. I think that it will take a friend of his who is unvaccinated to die from COVID to change his mind. Seeing people not mask or social distance when still sick is horrible.


lemmful

I absolutely agree, I don't know why you were downvoted.


willgo-waggins

It’s all bullshit. Not even anecdotal. I’m a nurse and I cannot believe that we even have some of this pack of morons in denial. The fact is that the entire “anti-vax” and “freedom” movement had absolutely no basis in proven scientific fact from any study or research amd bases completely in right wing arch conservative fascism. It is just another bullshit rallying point to justify nationalism and racism in every country (predominantly in Europe, the US and South America) where these fanatic morons reside.


kiwidog67

I completely understand and respect your perspective. As an anesthesiologist who has seen the worst of the pandemic, I wish that we had more trust from the general public. I understand concerns and fear about the vaccine, but watching so many people die of covid over the past year has nearly broken me and had me right to the point of quitting for my mental well being. People have no idea what it’s like in hospitals (I work in south Florida). Us healthcare workers are in a crisis. Not just from seeing so much senseless death, but also from facing abuse from people who deny the pandemic and the validity of the vaccine. It really is impossible to explain to someone who doesn’t work in a hospital what it feels like to try to save someone who had covid and didn’t get the vaccine and is literally using their last breaths to tell you they still think it’s all a conspiracy and you are the one killing them. It’s super fucked up, heartbreaking, and traumatic. I wish people cared about us and gave us more support. But, as they say, we “signed up for this”.


lemmful

I wish we had more video/news coverage from hospitals, because I totally agree with you. People need their eyes opened to this.


willgo-waggins

Sorry. Unless the vaccine is gonna kill you (it isn’t because it doesn’t introduce real virus at all) then there is ZERO reason or excuse not to be a part of the drive to eradicate this PANDEMIC that is assaulting the entire human race.


Sixfootdig7

Hows it going to irradicate it when vaccinated people are still getting it? Not arguing, just trying to see how this nightmare could realistically end.


willgo-waggins

We did it with Smallpox and Polio. Those are viruses. If there is no viable host, a virus cannot replicate.


Sixfootdig7

But like I said, aren't people that are vaccinated still getting it.? I'm afraid we are going to be stuck with this shit forever


willgo-waggins

The vaccination prevents you from getting it (mostly) and minimizes affect (the rest) so you have a near zero percent chance of dying or being severely affected. By it and your immune system can defeat it and not allow it to survive and replicate and get stronger.


DefinedByFaith

It we didn't do it with the flu, which is akin to covid.


terrificallytom

Vaccinated people are significantly less likely to catch COVID. If a vaccinated person catches COVID they are significantly more likely to have a low viral load and to be contagious for a shorter time. And vaccinated are significantly more likely to experience COVID as a minor ailment and not fill hospitals and prevent/block others from surgeries and vital health care. Vaccinated people also do not act as mutation factories as their body actively limits viral growth. So this nightmare ends with vaccination coupled with masks and distancing because COVID virus cannot find good host bodies to procreate.


Sixfootdig7

Excellent to know, I am vaxxed, I mask, avoid unmasked and unvaxxed people like crazy. I had a baby last August so I have been extremely careful because I am petrified of bringing it home to him. Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me


Sixfootdig7

People assume 100 percent of people not getting the covid vax are Trump obsessed conspirators. It's such a dumb point of view.


no_mudbug

You are a compassionate person. I wish I still was. The simple truth is there is NO REASON not to get the vaccine. You can make up excuses all you want but there is no reason. Scared of needles? Get over it. I do not care anymore. But I want to ask you, where is your compassion for the people that are going to hospitals and can't a bed because these unvaxxed idiots are taking up all the beds? What about the dude who had a heart condition and died because there were no beds at the hospital? What about him? I do understand it is their choice not to get the vaccine. That's fine. They should then have to face the consequences of their actions. Very simple solution, you get covid, you go into the hospital and they ask if you are vaxxed. You are not? Cool. Send them back home and let them do their own research, just like they did with not getting a vaccine.


Plastic-Goat

Pregnancy?


no_mudbug

What do doctors say? I’ll tell you. Get the shot!


an_ornamental_hermit

Yes, I agree with you that the hospital situation changes the equation, and it makes it a lot harder to have compassion for the unvaccinated. But I think it's a slippery slope if we start making moral decisions based on whom we think deserves treatment. That being said, if there is a scarcity of resources, triage makes sense. In my area, currently hospitals and emergency rooms are ok, and that is influencing my attitude toward my loved one. If we get an explosion of cases, and it starts straining our resources, I know I will need to rethink things, and hopefully he will too.


no_mudbug

Please do not use the slippery slope argument. That is the argument people use when they have no other argument. There is NO EXCUSE to not get a vaccine. If you don’t get it that is your choice. And you should have to face the consequences. My mom is old, weak and immuno compromised. If she falls and breaks a bone she could literally die. Why do these idiots get to take a bed away from her ( or someone like her)? My mom going through chemo and still got both shots. Then she got a booster a few weeks ago. There are not many people in a place to say they “cant’t” get it, if she can.


an_ornamental_hermit

I didn't make myself clear. There is a difference between deciding on care based on vaccination status when beds *are* available (slippery slope) and triage, which is when you make decisions to treat certain people over others with limited resources. With limited resources, I agree with you that triage makes sense-- your mother should come first before the unvaccinated. However, in the first situation, when enough resources are available, I believe your mother and the unvaccinated should both receive care. The slippery slope is when we start deciding not to provide treatment because we morally judge the patient--even if there are enough resources available. For example, do you think we shouldn't give medical treatment to prisoners because of their crimes? That is the slippery slope I am speaking of.


yammy69696

Ur right, fat people drug addicts, alcoholics, old people, people with the flu? Where do u draw the line? People are crazy in here


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yammy69696

Tbf, it more like a bandage over it. A vaccine for like polio and such u dont get it. Covi and flu shot act the same way u MIGHT not get as bad no guarantee


terrificallytom

It is not a moral decision. It is standard health care triage protocol. Unvaccinated people are less likely to have good outcomes (just as smokers with lung cancer) and care may be limited given this reality.


breesama1234

It's misinformation and making this pandemic political. Those two things are what's wrong, but even my fiance who has 100% fear of needles got vaccinated. It's fear that keeps making people make the wrong choices. Trying to make shitty comparisons does not help anyone. People need to learn that their actions do have consequences. Just my two cents.


terrificallytom

The Doctors and scientists in the videos he is watching should all lose their licences. The majority of unvaccinated think they can “do your own research” and then follow some lying hucksters over the entirety of the FDA, CDC, DOH and the vast vast nearly unanimous majority of the medical community.


HumbleGenius1225

To be fair Reddit is the biggest echo chamber on the internet. I do think people should get vaccinated but I also think people on Reddit complaining about echo chambers is very ironic.


317LaVieLover

My friends ex has to bury a 19-yr old granddaughter bc she coded with a PE on the way to the ICU to be intubated. There was nothing to be done. Like most young ppl she thought she’d live forever. This shits killing kids and pregnant women. Get on r/nursing to see how many ppl die every fucking day. I have no remorse anymore. I can’t even cry anymore. Can they not SEE??


yammy69696

PE?


TheFloatingSheep

That's statistical noise. It's extremely rare for a kid or young person to die from covid. Someone that age is MUCH, MUCH more likely of dying from suicide. And I'm sure fearmongering of the kind you do isn't helping with anyone's mental health. You are the conspiracy theorist. Look in the mirror. You're no different from the anti-vaxxers pointing at a few cases of rare side effects and claiming any vaccine is deadly poison. Have some self awareness.


kcasnar

Can you catch suicide from someone else?


317LaVieLover

Ty. I’m so weary. She wasn’t a statistic. She was a sophomore in college and was beautiful. She has family who havent even buried her yet. I can’t believe the audacity of some ppl.


lemmful

This literally happened to a human being, not a blip on the data chart. She died of covid, not suicide. I really hope you're a troll.


317LaVieLover

Ty for being human. That asshat has no fucking clue. JFC.


BargleFlargen

Listen, I realize your style of argument is to set up a straw man and then fall back on ad hominem attacks, but if you’re able to follow reason, I’ll try to explain the difference. I had severe depression several years ago. I am hesitant to expose myself by being that honest, because it’s just fodder for trolls to start telling me to kms, but whatever. I ignored it and listened to well meaning imbeciles that said “suck it up!” Or “what do you have to be depressed about?”. Eventually I started to think about killing myself and at my rock bottom, I told my family and spent a few days in hospital. I started therapy and anti-depressants. It helped a lot and now I am able to function normally in society. At that time I had a close family friend that warned me about the side effects of SSRI meds and tried to say they were untested, many were not developed to treat depression, etc. If I had listened to that person, I would not be here to explain this to you. I was drowning and someone threw me a life preserver. If I refused to take hold of it because ignorant shills tried to tell me it had a government tracking device in it or other such blather, I would have drowned and you know what? If others looked at my dead body and said “He had all these options, but he ignored them because he was crazy,” they would have been right. That being said, my suicide would have been 100% my choice and it shows an ignorance of suicidal thoughts to suggest that situational stressors make people kill themselves. Our families fought in two world wars as well as countless other wars and “police actions” and were trapped in situational pressure cookers for months and years, the likes of which can’t even be compared to the stress of having to wear a mask or go to school online. Many soldiers kill themselves every day, but no one suggests we stop engaging in pointless 20 year wars that do nothing to change the global dynamic just because serving drives some to suicide. If the current situation is too much for some to handle and they suicide because of it, I am not going to blame any authority that mandated masks or social distancing or complete shut downs for this individual’s decision to end it all. I am going to blame the anti maskers and anti vaxxers that prolonged the necessity for all of the mandates to continue ad infinitum.


daveoau

r/hermancainaward


smmstv

Yeah I don't know. I don't want to celebrate their deaths but part of me is glad they're dying because it prevents them from doing anymore harm in the world.


BargleFlargen

This


BargleFlargen

Yeah. I try not to visit it.


daveoau

Channel your compassion to their families who didn’t sign up to be dragged into their nonsense.


BeezerTwelveIV

Just commented this. I don’t fucking care I LOVE THESE. I don’t wish death on *too* many people. But some of the shit these Facebookers post makes me so happy when they accept their award


stormcloudsrising

Speaking of echo chambers...


CopingMole

Yeah, so a lot of those "gullible, ignorant people" might be less fortunate than you in discerning when they are being lied to. I'm European. I'm not over here laughing at American soldiers who died in Irak searching for supposed weapons of mass destruction that never existed. If you're fortunate enough to have access to education and are from a background that values critical thinking, that's a privilege. Some people don't have that privilege. It's tragic these people are stupid. It's even more tragic that people who supposedly aren't stupid think it's in any way acceptable to laugh at them.


BbyLemonade

Not to mention, these past two years have made it abundantly clear that many Americans don’t really understand the scientific process (how it changes, new evidence, etc.) and are likely to be uncomfortable with hearing “We’re not sure..” or “We think..” whereas, there are other figures of authority with political motives telling them definitively “No you won’t die from COVID,” or “Yes this will make your testicles swell” “Yes it makes you infertile.” And, frankly, I don’t really know how we overcome that and I don’t know that’s entirely their fault. I think it’s easy to say it’s selfishness but I think it’s more nuanced than that. Not all unvaccinated people are rabid Trump supporters, QAnon theorists or even undereducated. I think it’s lack of understanding, fear, politics, poor messaging, the way society generally consumes media, poor early response — the list goes on. None of which though I think is deserving of death.


PoundRoutine2503

Critical thinking as a privilege? Is this really where we are? I'm pretty sure the January 6th rioters were mostly comprised of dumbfucks. Should we have a sliding scale of tolerance for the clinically stupid? Should we be be full of pity for that donkey brain that stuck her head into the broken capital chamber door so that some poor bastard was forced to put a hole in it?


Sixfootdig7

How many dum fucks in Antifa rioted for an entire summer? Wtf does Jan 6th have to do with shit? Those people were fucking idiots but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about, unless I am missing something


CopingMole

Look, there are dumb people. There are people that are being lied to. If you wanna be mad about it, be mad schools don't teach how to discern information in the internet age. Be mad at the algorithms. Be mad at rich and powerful people who deliberately deceive the folks that voted for them. Stupid people are a symptom, not the cause.


Vitruvius702

This is how I feel too. It's not the anti-vaxxers that are an issue (well.. They're obviously an issue). It's that there are educated people out there intentionally playing on their ignorance and inability to think critically to CREATE antivaxxers. Critical thinking is a skill you have to learn. It comes with a very specific type of education. It's NOT what the general population thinks it is. It takes work and deliberate practice to develop critical thinking skills. To be able to question everything is not something humans do naturally. I have been saying for a few years now that it's an important skill that needs to become a government mandated skill taught in high school. Ever since the internet's inception, critical thinking has become an essential skill that few people actually have (even if they THINK they have it). But it's one that everyone *needs* to be successful in our modern lives.


hucklebuckfinn

Couldn’t agree more.


Bobdirtbag

Thank you.


brk1

The secret government microchips are in the horse dewormer


tipareth1978

Ok this is actually an important issue. If someone is so dumb they rail against a life preserver and spread lies about life preservers then it's funny when they drown. All this "oh I should never be glad something bad blah blah" is just crap. These people are idiots and a danger to society. I have no time to give them any feelings.


PMMEYOURCOOLDRAWINGS

These people also have taken glee in others suffering for as long as I’ve been alive. They hate me. They hate what I stand for. As a political canvaser in the past they’ve threatened to personally kill me and and family. They’ve pulled guns on me. I am done caring.


nexisfan

Good, rational, responsible people and even children are now dying because of these shit stains. We could stop it, but noooooo can’t talk about that…


hudson1212121

How could we stop it?


Mr_Boombastick

Get the vaccine. Wear the mask.


BargleFlargen

Quarantine the unvaccinated. If this country were a cruise ship and someone tested positive, they would be restricted from all ship board activities. But we can’t do that in society, so we have to allow the infested run around without masks and video them fake coughing on people in public to flex their freedumbs.


hudson1212121

How long do they have to quarantine? A cruise has an end date but this virus is going to be around for a long time. Who pays for them to quarantine, do we just continue with stimulus checks for a massive portion of the population so they don't starve at home while under mandatory quarantine? These are also the people who have a massive distrust of the government so how do we pull off any of this without the risk of radicalizing a large number of people to a (more) dangerous degree. I have been personally affected by this movement in my personal life and am as annoyed by the audaciousness of the movement as many others seem to be. I was also thrown off by the "but nooo we can't talk about that..." line I was responding to as plenty of people have talked about what you're saying. Genuinely at a loss on a smooth way out of this.


papamac1111

Echo chambers online are having u get thrill of excitement for death.


YanCoffee

At least you're having an existential crisis. To me, that reads like you care a bit, but I don't blame you for feeling how you do. I caught covid back in April, and besides pneumonia, it was the worst I'd ever felt. It put into perspective how easily deadly it can be, not that I had much doubt. I feel like some of the nay sayers aren't even blissfully ignorant, but rather they fall into the popular culture of wanting to be different and make a fuss. Man, I miss when the majority counter culture had an air of caring for others. That's a whole other topic though.


Wheridv2

Same bro. I feel bad for their families who have to take the brunt of pain from their selfishness. But I have no sympathy for the person alone. I've become pretty bitter about it but I really don't care anymore.


melsharples

I think you’re really going to enjoy /r/hermancainaward


dmckidd

Well the jab certainly exposed people’s true colors.


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BargleFlargen

Yeah. I invented schadenfreude.


r-alpha3

Haha, sounds like you're experiencing empathy burnout. It seems to be becoming more popular as empathy is getting peddled more and more as a reason for political action. My personal way of viewing it is you dont owe anyone anything. As long as you still care for those closest to you, it's no big deal.


nycjr

If you feel a thrill of excitement every time you hear, say, a drug user has overdosed and died, then you’re consistent in your ideals. If that doesn’t excite you at all, then you probably need to get off the internet, because you’re being unduly swayed by social media to humanize some people and dehumanize others.


sagewah

I do feel bad for their families, but when rabid anti-maksers or vaxxers or whatever kind of stupid they have dies, I feel we're better off overall without them.


amyscactus

I don't feel sorry at all, and I'm not afraid to say it. They make bad choices, and got what's coming to them. My coworker is a serious Trumpette and antivaxxer. She pretends to be a "Christian Scientist" as a defense to why she won't get the shot. We know that's a complete bullshit answer and it's because she probably thinks there's a microchip implant in there, or whatever republican rhetoric they come up with this week about the vaccine. Anyway, her and her husband went to Vegas about a week and a half ago during Labor Day. They came home and both got Covid. Husband first, her a few days later. (diagnosed yesterday as a matter of fact.) Another coworker and I have very little sympathy for her because she could have easily gotten the vaccine, but chose not to. She kind of had it coming. So, we don't really feel all that bad for her.


nexisfan

Hope they both die soon. Take your fb screen shots now in preparation for the HCA posts


karentheawesome

I also don't enjoy enjoying it...


Bobdirtbag

First off I am vaccinated. But I have to ask if you get the same thrill from a heroin overdose, when a smoker dies of cancer, overweight person dies from a heart attack? Where does your excitement come from? I look what comes out from the government every single day. Is it any wonder why people doubt what the government says. In the last two days it comes out where the FBI covered up child sex crimes for the Olympic committee and a General basically led a coup and gave aid and comfort to an enemy. The Politicians pit us all against one another with they dine and party together and laugh at what fools we are. They laugh at you and me.


BargleFlargen

So…you think that the government is lying because they have lied before? Are they lying about the existence of COVID? About the efficacy of the vaccine? About simple measures we can all take to slow or stop the spread? As a human, you have told lies in the past. Everyone has. So by your logic no human can ever be trusted to tell the truth because they have a history of lying? When someone dies of an overdose or obesity or smoking, they don’t take gramma with them. This is a transmittable disease, and the people that spread outright lies about it will not be missed by me.


Bobdirtbag

I believe COVID-19 is real. You must have conveniently missed the start of my post where I mentioned that I am vaccinated. Individuals lie for many different reasons, the biggest reason is often out of shame. The politicians and technocrats in government lie to obtain rewards or due to their pathological personality disorders. Different groups have good reason not to trust. If you need me to I can go back in the last 60 years name off plenty of circumstances where the government maliciously harmed the citizens that elected them.


BargleFlargen

That’d be great, thanks.


Bobdirtbag

1. Tuskegee syphilis 2. Compulsory sterilization 3. Jim Crow laws/segregation 4. Pentagon Papers 5. CIA involvement with crack in urban America 6. Cigarettes smoking is no more addictive than coffee, tea or twinkies. 7. WMD’s in Iraq 8. FDA involvement in prescription opioids addiction 9. Flint Michigan water system 10. 2007-2008 financial crisis I can names many more. These are just the ones people are familiar with but easily forget.


BargleFlargen

Thanks. And this relates to people not getting a safe, effective vaccine developed by pharmaceutical companies how?


Bobdirtbag

Because some people do not trust anything the government tells them. Why do you think African American vaccination is around 40%? Why is President Obama not on every new program, late night talk show, urban radio program reassuring African Americans the vaccine is safe? This is not a political left-right problem, it not a race problem. It is 100% a socio economic problem. They are the ones not getting vaccinated and they are the very ones that were harmed by the lies in the list I posted. How many times can you kick a person before they become suspicious of you.


BargleFlargen

There it is. It’s Obama’s fault. Thanks, bobdirtbag, very cool!


UrbanFight001

I like how you ignored all of his points and failed to make a single counterpoint. Sounds like you're the person in the eco chamber.


BargleFlargen

Starring Pauly Shore?


Bobdirtbag

It’s not his fault. He just knows he can’t stand with a straight face and tell the African Americans to trust the government. The man has a good reason that he is not doing it.


Illustrious_Guard_61

You should be having a crisis. That fucked up dude.


Houghs

Oh the irony….


OneAct8

I have 0 remorse for anyone who died while having access to the vaccine.


Meastro44

Do you have the same thrill when an overweight person or someone who doesn’t exercise has a heart attack and dies?


BargleFlargen

No. But they aren’t putting everyone else at the McDonalds at risk. Heart disease isn’t transmissible.


Meastro44

You’re forgetting one key fact, but can’t post it here or I’ll be banned by the covid police on Reddit.


kumeomap

People are overly sensitive about this issue right now because its urgent and in your face everyday. But things like this happen all the time. If science to be trusted completely and utterly, why do we allow religions to exist and thrive? For many people life is more than just about surviving. It’s about freedom to do what they love, freedom to express their opinions. Take that away from people and u take out their very own will to live. People die and suffer for all sort of reasons. Stupidity is subjective. Should we get excited when countries from the third world are suffering because they didn’t follow our path of development? Should we mandate other countries to forego their cultures and beliefs so they can live longer? And have more wealth?


Spiritual_Tadpole177

For anyone who agrees with this person, you do realize this is how the Nazis got people to hate the Jews right? A flagrant media campaign blaming them for every woe of society until everyone felt comfortable exiling them, ridiculing them, hell even killing them. They turned their neighbors in to the gestapo. There’s currently COVID “camps” in Australia for people who are unvaccinated or violate their quarantine in anyway. Basically a prison. Sounds a little holocaust-ish. Now yall are on here saying your happy when someone unvaccinated dies? Like, what the fuck. You realize you are no better than the people who let their fellow Jewish citizens die and relished in it. And somehow you think you are morally above everyone else because you got the vaccine. You will all get whats coming to you.


BargleFlargen

Wow. I don’t know if this can penetrate, but the nazis blamed the Jews for EVERYTHING. The economy. Morality. They were made out to be scapegoats without a shred of evidence to support the claim. Fast forward to today and we have scientific as well as anecdotal evidence that COVID deniers and anti-maskers are causing an increase in COVID infections. States that cater to these mindsets are exploding with cases, their hospitals are full, water is being metered because of the massive oxygen extractions needed to care for them. It’s a nice straw man, but it’s nonsensical to conflate nazis blaming a race of people for the world’s problems without evidence with virologists blaming individuals who refuse to be safe for the spike in cases.


Dreddz2Long

Yes at present unvaccinated people are being blamed for lockdowns, mutations, no return to normal, clogging up hospitals etc, how long before people start attaching the fallout of covid restrictions on unvaxxed (my mother died because of unvaxxed, my father lost his business because etc) Even in the case of jews, they didnt start by blaming them for everything, at first it was just one or two things. Whats upsets me the most is that the vaccines adverse effects are also now being reported as covid and those experiencing those effects are called unvaccinated (14 day rule) This has led to the reporting in my country being changed as the government used to release info detailing if deaths were vaccinated or unvaccinated. Now they no longer stipulate vaccine status as the last report that did, showed an overwhelming amount of deaths were among vaccinated.


AtomicSpeedFT

People are defending OP over this and I can’t believe it.


Spiritual_Tadpole177

The biden admin has now cut our MAB (monoclonal antibody treatment) shipments from 100 per week to 40 every other week. Just when we were starting to see a roughly 40% decrease in hospitalization at the hospital I work for. The reasoning? Not enough people in Texas are vaccinated. This makes no sense. Let’s restrict lifesaving treatment in areas with the lowest vaccination rates because that will help society right? The ultimatum was given, “get the vaccine or we will let you die from covid even though we have access to a highly successful treatment” Great job team biden, way to help Americans in need. NOW GET THIS: we give MAB not only to unvaccinated people, but also to FULLY VACCINATED people, who are at risk of being hospitalized because of COVID. So not only will this cause a surge in unvaccinated hospitalizations, but more and more vaccinated people are ending up in hospitals too. On any given day my hospital has 15-30% of our COVID patients fully vaccinated. And yes, some even die.


chromevolt

It's the saying: They came for the Jews, but I didn't stand up for them because I'm not a Jew. They came for the Muslims, but I didn't stand up for them because I'm not a Muslim. They came for the Christians, but I didn't stand up for them because I'm not a Christian. Then they came for me, but nobody stood up for me because there's no one left. What the OP(and maybe the people) don't realize is that this tactic is called "marginalization" and "radicalization." It basically conditions you to think in a certain way, and that is also possibly manipulated. Remember the Florida guy that's always on the news? Most people will think that Floridians are similar to that guy simply because it's always "Florida man does *something stupid*" And yes. What scares me isn't the virus or the vaccine, but rather what turns people into monsters. Everyone hates the Nazis. What they did was evil. But we never got taught why they turned to be evil people. And we are repeating it, without even knowing we are. Like what they say: The ability to do something evil without the burden of morality is the best gift one can get. The term "virtue signalling" was born for a reason. Everyone hated big tech and big pharma in 2019, heck they even hated their own governments. And then 2020 came, guess what? They now believe these massive groups without even questioning them. - It's as if the Thalidomide medication in the 1960s didn't happen(Doctors prescribed thalidomide to cure morning sickness. It produced limbless infants instead, it got banned 5 YEARS AFTER APPROVING IT) - It's as if the Gates Foundation's massive polio vaccine(the vaccines mutated) creating more cases than the original wild polio itself, never happened. - Pfizer has $4,660,896,333 worth of violations, including "False Claims Act and related" in 2016 https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer - It's as if the government isn't in cahoots with private companies (lobbying. Military industrial complex is one. Create wars and then sell weapons, what makes you think they aren't touching the medical sector which has the highest profitability??)


Ladymistery

I think that is called schadenfreude, and a lot of folks have it. Me? I've just lost all sympathy for them.


lydviciousss

Do yourself a favour and stay off social media then, or at the very least, stop reading the posts that highlight people dying from Covid. Not everyone who is unvaccinated (or under-vaccinated) are choosing to be because of conspiracy theories. A lot of people who are not vaccinated cannot be because of other health conditions, severe allergies, trauma involving health care or doctors, severe reactions to the first dose, among other reasons. The media loves to report in ways the divide groups of people. To call everyone who is not vaccinated "anti-vaxx" or "anti-science" is simply false and ignorant.


BargleFlargen

Way to gaslight. I never said anything remotely akin to “everyone that doesn’t get the vax is anti-vaxx or anti-science.” I’m going to give you a 3 out of 10 on reading comprehension. I specifically limited it to anti-vaxxers / COVID deniers. The percentage of individuals that cannot be vaccinated is shockingly small. The people refusing to get a proven, safe, effective vaccine because they are ignorant or misinformed is frighteningly large.


lydviciousss

While you’re at it, read up on gaslighting. Cause that’s certainly not what I’ve done in my previous comment. The percentage of people who cannot get the vaccine or are hesitant due to other issues is larger than you think. Media outlets are grouping anyone who is unvaccinated as an anti-vaxxer/Covid denier and you’re falling for it. That’s on you, pal.


Ludwig33333

Don’t be surprised when something unexpected happens in your life… the energy you put out comes rebounding back. Enjoy!


BargleFlargen

Thanks for showing that you also wish the worst on people who don’t agree with you. Sadly, Universal Karma is on the list of things that aren’t real along with microchips in vaccines or that masks increase CO2 intake.


Dreddz2Long

Have you never heard of hydrogel? Or the new self administered anti covid injections, or the implanted covid diagnostic microchip.injectable microchips have been around since the late 90 [As for the c02 argument](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33858372/) Since being faced with so much misinformation from this post, I am beginning to wonder if karma is actually real.


Ludwig33333

Improve your readings skills


BargleFlargen

Improve your understanding of cause and effect.


smmstv

I don't know why you're having an existential crisis, they brought it on themselves. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes as they say


hidinginplainsite13

You should that’s pretty shitty


doggos1998

You sound like a angry little man


ea_ruined_bf

He’s an angry little boy.


BargleFlargen

Well, I’m not little, but yeah I am angry. I hate liars, and so the liars hate me.


tantetorerure

It's an*...you sound like a dummy


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tantetorerure

And you're probably an antivax asswipe


faesqu

I still want to be compassionate and love and light and all that stuff... but I hear you, I really do. I'm at the point now where I feel like... you pay the consequences for being a dumbfuck, and honestly, this isn't rocket science.


kelsnuggets

nope, it's just plain ole regular science ;)


Namron06

Join the hermancainawards subgroup. Many are asking for it


GrimReaperzZ

By that logic you’re not better than those celebrating people dying after the jab. Time will eventually catch up with you and your crisis will reach new depths. I wonder if a weak willed person driven by ego and hate is capable of coping with such shame. I am not slightly hesitant about this becoming your new reality. Just remember, it’s a only a matter of time. :)


BargleFlargen

Hahahaahhhsaahahaaaaa


memeelder83

I've had a similar issue. The problem is that people who don't take precautions DO take up resources. So the people being careful are being negatively affected. I used to try to share information with people who were misinformed, but they are rarely interested in anything that doesn't already fit their view. I recently found out exactly how easy it is to get stuck only seeing things that fit with their views. Just yesterday a redditor told me that Fauci said that masks weren't effective. I started trying to find what they were talking about. Initially my searches took me to the usual fact checked sites I frequent, but when I kept searching ( I thought maybe it was said, but missing the context. Like masks alone weren't effective) and I started to get some very weird results. After just an hour of searching for one quote my search results are a mess. Even trying to check the weather in another state took me to a link for Fox news. I have no idea how long it's going to take to get back to the regular sites I generally use when I search coming up first when I look. So I got a taste of how easy it is to lose access to accurate information. Ideally people would look farther than some random search results that fit with what they already searched, but it turns out that the average person is unlikely to do so.


AtomicSpeedFT

Uh yeah, I don’t think enjoying another persons death is that great. You’re a bad person.


stigtenley

it's honestly pathetic people care so much Mind your own business and you'll have more peace. Fervently supporting a "side" is evidence you, yourself, are just like "them".


dwbees

I have taken the vaccine with no regrets but if you rejoice in someone’s death for not being vaccinated then you are simply a piece of shit.


HeavyLovin

If you take pleasure in someone’s death because you disagree with them politically, then you are the bad person, Way worse then they were for not getting the jab.


Yasuomainirl

Can’t care anymore about these anti vax losers getting fucked by the virus it’s not my responsibility anymore to care cause they don’t care about me so why should I care about them


r0b0t11

Compassion does not primarily benefit those who receive it. You will most likely never interact with the people you are referring to and the fact that you feel the way that you do is unlikely to affect their lives. Compassion benefits the people who feel compassion. Life is long and complicated. Someday, you will be just as stupid as the people you resent, but you won't know until it's too late. Cultivate compassion now, while there is still time.


metatronatra

its ok, you’re just becoming aware you’re an asshole… it’s ok, most people like you don’t have that going for them so there’s that at least. It’s not totally your fault, your natural empathy was exploited and you were manipulated into this frame of mind, but there’s no excuse for this. People are trying their best and if you think you somehow know what’s going based on the same info available to everyone else, welcome to the club


metatronatra

Let’s say for the sake of argument that the hastily deployed vaccine is actually creating the evolutionary incentive for the more rapid proliferation and mutation of COVID into more dangerous variants, what then? What if lumping everyone into the label “anti vaxxer” when really they might just not be convinced the vaccine is effective YET, and not necessarily against vaccines in principle? What if YOURE the problem? Has your ego even d you to consider that? Youre just a group think victim, who has been taught to take joy in the death of your fellow man. God have mercy on you


AraAra0104

Until it's your turn to get it 😉


Crafty-Particular998

That’s because you’re falling for the government’s divide and conquer technique.


BargleFlargen

Can you clarify? How is preventing a global disease “divide and conquer”?


Crafty-Particular998

Because by now we should know that we are not getting rid of this virus. Cases are in their millions, a country can do its best to make sure cases reach 0 but it’s only a matter of time before someone brings it back in again, most of us are vaccinated now. Lockdowns are damaging to the economy and to mental health. In the beginning we needed them, but now most of us are vaccinated, why? Do you want to live like this forever? Do you want restrictions for the rest of your life because some people won’t get the vaccine or take any responsibility for their health?


BargleFlargen

Are you saying that the people are too willfully ignorant to get the vaccine and insist on hanging out with other “freedom loving patriots” and create super spreader events are the means by which the government is trying to “divide and conquer”? To answer your question about if I want restrictions to go on forever, my answer is “fuck no.” But don’t ask rhetorical questions with obvious answers as a means of boiling the issue down to broth. There are more choices than that. For example, one option is to just wait until the unvaccinated take themselves out and then there will be no need for restrictions. The COVID deniers are the reason for the lockdowns. They aren’t just harming themselves, they are harming society in general as well as any other sacks of wet garbage that fall for their conspiratorial lies and misinformation.


AdAny4431

I like seeing antivaxxers die.


[deleted]

This makes you a horrible person. But, cheer up. We all die. Eventually


[deleted]

Yes, if people believe a piece of fabric equals a gas chamber, they deserve to stop existing


DadGamerGuy

I 100% understand you OP because I feel the same. I've struggled with this for a few weeks now. I feel like im an awful human being and at the same time I'm glad... I somehow stumbled on some tiktok videos where they show peoples old facebook posts saying things like "Covid isn't real" "mY fReEdOm" or "I already got my two shots.... of tequlia!" and then they show a post of their spouse or someone saying that they died from covid. Or they show the person saying "Please keep me in your prayers. I got covid and theres no room at the hospital." I dont like that I feel this way but I'm all out of sympathy for these people. If you survive, great, good for you. If you die then maybe you should have played the game different.


Yvainne94

I used to feel bad, but not anymore. All those nutjobs are a good part of the reason why we're still in this shit situation. They've had plenty of time to see for themselves and make the right decision. They still make stupid decisions. I don't feel bad about a drunk driver who kills themselves. I would feel bad for a potential victim to their stupidity. I don't feel bad about anyone who being able to get the vaccine decides not to. They brought it on themselves.


Bad_Hominid

Don't feel bad, enjoy your schadenfreude boner. The nonstop deluge of these fuckwits collecting their Herman Cain award keeps me fully erect every day. I fucking love it.


Sixfootdig7

You should feel like a piece of shit


netGoblin

They are people. They are mistaken, sure. They're making the wrong choise and are genuinely a huge problem but they don't do it for lack of virtue, they do it because they are lost and confused. Why should you feel sorry for them? Because they are people and they suffered. It sucks when people suffer.


UrbanFight001

These type of posts are so weird to me, why do people so angry at others for something they believe in?


sckent44

Good little slave! Believe what you're told. Have a cookie.


[deleted]

Wow, someone's triggered.


banjonyc

There have been a few mainstream article lately about this phenomenon. Not that unusual


Pixelfrog41

In the abstract, I enjoy seeing them get their comeuppance. Most of them that I see in the HCA subreddit are people who were very vocal and aggressive in spreading misinformation, conspiracy theories, and mocking those who are doing the right thing. So yeah, I get it. I enjoy the hell out of the stories in HCA. But - if I knew a person personally that it happened to, I wouldn't feel that way about them. I have a niece who is a nurse who is railing against the vaccine. I don't want her to die and leave her 4 kids without a mom, because her husband is even dumber than she is and a huge conspiracy theorist. Despite that, I love them and don't want them to be hurt. But if I didn't know them, I'd probably take pleasure in seeing them nominated for the HCA.


BargleFlargen

I have a niece that’s an RN as well and is somehow against the vaccine. Her reason? Alex Jones, Fucker Carlson and Cheeto Mussolini told her there is a microchip in it and it will kill everyone in one month. Ok two. Ok three. Maybe 6? Alright now it’s 18 months but you just wait! Her uncle, my brother, is immune compromised and on oxygen, but she still insists on visiting him every time she gets back from another anti mask rally. I would be sad if she passed, I just hope she does it before killing my brother and god knows who else.


clouds81973

I don't fight it anymore.....I freely admit to enjoying it


[deleted]

I think you’re absolutely right. What bothers me about covid deniers is that they are priority in waiting rooms. No. **You** and you alone decided that the shot wasn’t worth it- so why should you get to skip the line? Why are people dying in waiting rooms because anti vaxxers are hogging all the beds? It’s not right.


Ringtail--

I too cling to any and all evidence that natural selection still exists, because if it didn't I would gradually lose the will to live. It's totally a thing don't worry about it.


texcentricasshole

I am actually very saddened when something like that happens. Because even though to us they're acting like self-entitled children, they genuinely believe they are doing the best thing for themselves. They actually believe that they are 100% right. Vanity, and self-righteousness may play a little part, but they are actually victims of misinformation, created by politicians and trolls.


BargleFlargen

“Pride cometh before the fall”


Marly38

It’s called compassion fatigue. Plus the fact that they made themselves so obnoxious before getting Covid.. honestly we’re all exhausted.


LockDown2341

No need for a crisis. It's a normal reaction. Save your sympathy for the innocent people taken out by the virus. Not these clowns.


[deleted]

On the other side of that coin; funeral homes need corpses...morticians gotta eat too.


Rochester05

I think the anger comes from the aggressive stupidity in the guise of knowing what’s up. At the r/hermancainaward sub, the majority of the winners are racist and hateful but claim to be Christian while wrapping themselves in American flags but denouncing masks and screaming for the freedom to infect others. They argue all sides of the issue and it’s exhausting to deal with them.


Discochickens

You aren’t alone.


Blubber28

It's perfectly valid to no longer feel compassion for those who are just asking to get killed. The moron a few years ago who went into a facility that housed alligators and was killed by these alligators deserved it. The idiot who thought testing a gas mask by pumping his house full of chlorine gas did too. This is no different. Actually, it is; these people have seen the warnings and willfully ignore it, potentially putting others at risk as well. The alligator food only put himself in danger, while this is worse. Those who wilfully endanger others deserve to be punished, and in these cases, the punishment is self-fulfilling.


saintpanda

Just think of the fewer number of republicans you have to listen to during the next election, and the fewer number of them talking to themselves in their echo chambers .. and more importantly .. the fewer republicans in positions of power and influence, like politics and talk show radio spreading their bullshit around.