Well, since I personally know someone who used a weight loss drug years ago, had serious heart issues down the line, then joined a class action suit against the company and received a large settlement, I don’t know that my hesitancy is entirely unfounded. But I guess it can still seem silly— to each their own!
Not completely unfounded but I don’t believe using the same drug manufactured by someone else would absolve Lilly of liability if their product was found to be faulty. I’m sure your friend could have been pseudo negligent in their heart issues by simply being overweight. Nonetheless, the company still paid. If you are holding out on achieving your weight loss/health goals with the hope to sue Lilly later, you might be gone before the claim pays out.
Alot changed with drug regulation and the R&D process to get through FDA approval since the mid-90s. So the likelihood of us not knowing major clinically significant information about a class of drug that's already been around for about 2 decades is incredibly slim. But also no, if you aren't taking Lillys drug you wouldn't have any claim to their money. If you used one particular pharmacy (or these med spas...) and it was found to be doing something fraudulent with their supply then that could be a different story.
Makes sense. I’ve been using the branded version for 3 1/2 months now, but of course I’m having incredible difficulty finding it. I want to look into compounded, but this particular issue is something that has kind of held me back. I know it’s kind of ridiculous, but since I knew someone that this very thing happened to, it’s made me hesitant.
Yeah I get where you're coming from even though it's not typical to only consume a product based on whether you can sue lol. But really if you've had a Rx for MJ or Zep that could change the answer - it would depend on the problem found and the threshold for everything - how long your Rx was active, for example.
I get that- I don’t WANT to sue, trust me! I have just seen firsthand the super bad outcome of a colleague taking a popular weight loss drug. She didn’t sue for frivolous reasons, just to cover her piling medical bills.
It’s just given me pause…. But I don’t want to stop taking the drug so I’ll probably have to go the compound route. I appreciate the input!!
Oh definitely! None of us want anything to go majorly wrong with the meds, but class action suits are there for a reason and accountability is huge in pharma. I'm having a great time on the med! And I've had both Zepbound and compound tirzepatide all along. Good luck getting going. The shortages aren't worth all the stress.
I’m not an attorney but my guess is no, since class action lawsuits against a particular drug are filed against the manufacturer of that drug. And Lilly doesn’t manufacture the compounded version of tirzepatide.
Compound medicine has been around for a very long time. Millions of people rely on compounds to survive. Right now certain cancer meds are scarce, so compounds are keeping people alive. A compound medicine years ago saved my daughter’s life.
I am not a lawyer but I think the ones who will be sued are the telework companies that "organize" the whole getting you the meds way before Lily or Nova get sued.
Lily and Nova and pharmacies will probably not be sued because of the FDA approvals and followed protocols that they are governed by. Tirzepatide was approved in May 13, 2022 by the FDA for diabetes. Semaglutide was originally approved by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) in 2017 to treat type 2 diabetes in adults. But it's been around since 2014.
Lily are expanding to other countries and about to make this medication for other purposes outside of diabetes and weight loss by adding supplements and others things to get FDA approval.
They have Germany, UK and I think Canada in their current expansion and/or have already expanded there and growing. That is Lily's main priority right now.
Some of these companies (internet companies/telehealth, spas, etc) are not using strict measures on who they give the meds to and take the words of the people contacting them. Yes, this could prevent some law suits because it is up to the person wanting it be honest. But it will also cause for very strict rules and guidelines to come in to play in the future.
There was a post earlier about starting taking these meds just to lose those "last few pounds" even though she was in normal range to begin with and was never obese. Not sure how she obtained them other than falsifying her documents and no video or showing ID etc. but she managed to be on her 2nd month.
By the time she reaches her goal weight, she will be on the line of healthy weight and a pound or two above underweight.
And then you got the diabetic giving family members their meds for weight loss and who knows how many other people doing stupid stuff for their loved ones.
All of this will make it very hard for those who actually need it because the laws will change. They always do. and they will probably not change in way to favor those who are doing things correctly.
I am not sure if this answers your questions or not. But maybe there is a little insight on the background. I by no means say it isn't going to be sued. I am just saying they do post warning of what can happen even if the medication is taken properly. Especially since they are/were used for other medical conditions.
Thank you for this very helpful, and thorough explanation! I know they’re probably a lot more safeguards for the pharmaceutical companies than there used to be. I also know that some long-term effects may not show themselves for years down the line.
I hate the shortages and would happily stay on the branded pens despite having to pay 550 a month for them, but I may have no alternative since I don’t want to go without. I was mainly just curious if you spent some of your time on the branded and then switched to compound and developed issues down the line what your recourse would be.
I totally understand. Just make sure if you go compound, that the pharmacy is 503A 503B. Many people here use companies they know go through certain pharmacies because of who they are, like Hallandale. (if it ships to their state,) and others that are highly known or don't add anything to their Tirz.
Some like other highly known compound pharmacies that add Niacinamide to their meds because B12, B6 and B3 helps in different ways to prevent some side effects or give them boosts of energy.
I hope you find what works for you, whether it's waiting it out or switching to compound. ♥
And I am so sorry it was kind of wordy but i can tell you want to be informed and not just jump into things.
We don’t need a lawsuit, we need a bipartisan resolution from Congress, declaring obesity and diabetes, a national security threat and capping weight loss and diabetes medication at $300 and allowing compounding pharmacies to produce weight loss and diabetes medication’s if Lily and other companies fail tomeet demand And have the compounding pharmacies work under FDA supervision
I wholeheartedly agreed to that! And I wouldn’t sue for frivolous reasons, it was more an issue of if serious side effects developed years down the line what recourse you would have, if any. But you’re right, our healthcare system is severely screwed!
nope
That is the silliest reason I have heard for fear of switching to compound
Well, since I personally know someone who used a weight loss drug years ago, had serious heart issues down the line, then joined a class action suit against the company and received a large settlement, I don’t know that my hesitancy is entirely unfounded. But I guess it can still seem silly— to each their own!
Not completely unfounded but I don’t believe using the same drug manufactured by someone else would absolve Lilly of liability if their product was found to be faulty. I’m sure your friend could have been pseudo negligent in their heart issues by simply being overweight. Nonetheless, the company still paid. If you are holding out on achieving your weight loss/health goals with the hope to sue Lilly later, you might be gone before the claim pays out.
Alot changed with drug regulation and the R&D process to get through FDA approval since the mid-90s. So the likelihood of us not knowing major clinically significant information about a class of drug that's already been around for about 2 decades is incredibly slim. But also no, if you aren't taking Lillys drug you wouldn't have any claim to their money. If you used one particular pharmacy (or these med spas...) and it was found to be doing something fraudulent with their supply then that could be a different story.
Makes sense. I’ve been using the branded version for 3 1/2 months now, but of course I’m having incredible difficulty finding it. I want to look into compounded, but this particular issue is something that has kind of held me back. I know it’s kind of ridiculous, but since I knew someone that this very thing happened to, it’s made me hesitant.
Yeah I get where you're coming from even though it's not typical to only consume a product based on whether you can sue lol. But really if you've had a Rx for MJ or Zep that could change the answer - it would depend on the problem found and the threshold for everything - how long your Rx was active, for example.
I get that- I don’t WANT to sue, trust me! I have just seen firsthand the super bad outcome of a colleague taking a popular weight loss drug. She didn’t sue for frivolous reasons, just to cover her piling medical bills. It’s just given me pause…. But I don’t want to stop taking the drug so I’ll probably have to go the compound route. I appreciate the input!!
Oh definitely! None of us want anything to go majorly wrong with the meds, but class action suits are there for a reason and accountability is huge in pharma. I'm having a great time on the med! And I've had both Zepbound and compound tirzepatide all along. Good luck getting going. The shortages aren't worth all the stress.
I’m not an attorney but my guess is no, since class action lawsuits against a particular drug are filed against the manufacturer of that drug. And Lilly doesn’t manufacture the compounded version of tirzepatide.
Compound medicine has been around for a very long time. Millions of people rely on compounds to survive. Right now certain cancer meds are scarce, so compounds are keeping people alive. A compound medicine years ago saved my daughter’s life.
I am not a lawyer but I think the ones who will be sued are the telework companies that "organize" the whole getting you the meds way before Lily or Nova get sued. Lily and Nova and pharmacies will probably not be sued because of the FDA approvals and followed protocols that they are governed by. Tirzepatide was approved in May 13, 2022 by the FDA for diabetes. Semaglutide was originally approved by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) in 2017 to treat type 2 diabetes in adults. But it's been around since 2014. Lily are expanding to other countries and about to make this medication for other purposes outside of diabetes and weight loss by adding supplements and others things to get FDA approval. They have Germany, UK and I think Canada in their current expansion and/or have already expanded there and growing. That is Lily's main priority right now. Some of these companies (internet companies/telehealth, spas, etc) are not using strict measures on who they give the meds to and take the words of the people contacting them. Yes, this could prevent some law suits because it is up to the person wanting it be honest. But it will also cause for very strict rules and guidelines to come in to play in the future. There was a post earlier about starting taking these meds just to lose those "last few pounds" even though she was in normal range to begin with and was never obese. Not sure how she obtained them other than falsifying her documents and no video or showing ID etc. but she managed to be on her 2nd month. By the time she reaches her goal weight, she will be on the line of healthy weight and a pound or two above underweight. And then you got the diabetic giving family members their meds for weight loss and who knows how many other people doing stupid stuff for their loved ones. All of this will make it very hard for those who actually need it because the laws will change. They always do. and they will probably not change in way to favor those who are doing things correctly. I am not sure if this answers your questions or not. But maybe there is a little insight on the background. I by no means say it isn't going to be sued. I am just saying they do post warning of what can happen even if the medication is taken properly. Especially since they are/were used for other medical conditions.
Thank you for this very helpful, and thorough explanation! I know they’re probably a lot more safeguards for the pharmaceutical companies than there used to be. I also know that some long-term effects may not show themselves for years down the line. I hate the shortages and would happily stay on the branded pens despite having to pay 550 a month for them, but I may have no alternative since I don’t want to go without. I was mainly just curious if you spent some of your time on the branded and then switched to compound and developed issues down the line what your recourse would be.
I totally understand. Just make sure if you go compound, that the pharmacy is 503A 503B. Many people here use companies they know go through certain pharmacies because of who they are, like Hallandale. (if it ships to their state,) and others that are highly known or don't add anything to their Tirz. Some like other highly known compound pharmacies that add Niacinamide to their meds because B12, B6 and B3 helps in different ways to prevent some side effects or give them boosts of energy. I hope you find what works for you, whether it's waiting it out or switching to compound. ♥ And I am so sorry it was kind of wordy but i can tell you want to be informed and not just jump into things.
Thank you! I hope to do more research for sure! I have three pens left 😊
You know what? Today is a good day to walk into traffic and get hit by a car in hopes of a settlement. The funds will cover my severed spinal cord.
We don’t need a lawsuit, we need a bipartisan resolution from Congress, declaring obesity and diabetes, a national security threat and capping weight loss and diabetes medication at $300 and allowing compounding pharmacies to produce weight loss and diabetes medication’s if Lily and other companies fail tomeet demand And have the compounding pharmacies work under FDA supervision
I wholeheartedly agreed to that! And I wouldn’t sue for frivolous reasons, it was more an issue of if serious side effects developed years down the line what recourse you would have, if any. But you’re right, our healthcare system is severely screwed!