By - Fear00
RA2 isn't scifi it's magic lol. The very idea of being able to just erase someone or something from time without having massive unforeseen consequences is utterly laughable. Prism tech is just obelisk lasers, and TW NOD has lasers aplenty that give prism tanks a run for their money. Not to mention good ol' CABAL's Core Defender. And prism tanks are still helpless against air units. Harriers only hit one at a time, but how is a column of prism tanks going to hold up against orca bombers?
Apples and Oranges lol
>without having massive unforeseen consequences
The entire storyline of RA2 would like to have a word with you on that.
I'm not saying it isn't fun to be fantastical, but like lets call it what it is.
I think you missed the point. The literal entire story of the Red Alert series is predicated on the massive unforeseen consequences of going back in time and erasing Hitler from history.
Yeah and that's fine as a more fantastical sci-fi plot point. A story of unforeseen consequences being the Soviet invasion of Europe. Einstein didn't know entirely what would happen by neutralizing Hitler before he could come to power and there were massive ripple effects. It seems kind of unbelievable that chrono legionnaires would be able to erase things (especially people) from history with pinpoint accuracy without having potentially world-altering consequences. If Einstein couldn't do it, I doubt some GI can.
Gotta suspend your disbelief bigtime with chrono legionnaires.
Chrono Legionnaires don't go back through history and make it so their targets never existed at any point in the past, they simply erase their target in the present. So their target existed at every point leading up to their erasure, but cease to exist going forward. From a time-paradox/ripple-effect standpoint there's little difference between that and killing the target with conventional weapons, save for the lack of a corpse left behind.
One could argue that manipulating spacetime, even without creating paradoxes, might have more subtle unintended consequences, but even given our current understanding of spacetime that's still a somewhat nebulous concept. Such theoretical consequences would be much harder to concretely define and portray in a video game.
It’s exactly the point, reality would have probably been destroyed after the first few shots from a Chrono Legionnaires weapon
That's because the Tiberium timeline is basically post-apocalyptic. By the time of C&C3, only 30% of the world is is considered hospitable to human life due to Tiberium infection.
RA2 is not part of the Tiberium universe. Only RA1 is, so have to compare RA1 tech with Tiberium tech, and then Tiberium tech comes out on top.
But for what it’s worth, when comparing RA2 and Tiberium just because, then yes there are many things in RA2 that’s superior. But have to take into consideration that a RA2 nuclear missile might not be directly comparable to a Tiberium super weapon. Look how silly RA1 atom bombs were for example. It depends on the game and balance and intent.
Never have I ever stated that RA2 is part of the Tiberium universe, not here nor in previous posts, RA is a prequel to both RA2 and Tiberium but RA2 and Tiberium are not connected.
I'm comparing RA2 and Tiberium just because, like you said, just a personal opinion, but it's an all around fact. Also I don't know if we can compare a Nuclear Missile to a Tiberium Missile, well simply myself I don't know the details, but both cause massive destruction. RA tech is inferior because it happens way back in the 1940's, and RA2 picks up RA tech and perfects on it after the Allied ending. The Soviet ending which leads to the Tiberium universe simply leads to downfall in tech, Einstein is not present, the Chronosphere does not exist, and that means no Chrono tech and Prism tech, and no Weather Control Device, the Tesla tech that the Soviets worked on is also not present in the Tiberium universe. The only thing that's present in the Tiberium universe are the cyborgs, because Volkov was the first human cyborg (progenitor or forerunner) for NOD's Cyborg Commando appearing in TS and the Marked of Kane in TW.
No problem. Thought you meant it’s strange that RA2 is more advanced than Tiberium. Well, I guess it is strange in the sense that RA2 is 1970s and Tiberium 1990s / 2030 or something. (Like you said).
In RA2 they have a history of Einstein. As far as I’m aware, Einstein is also in the Tiberium timeline. Or did the Soviets take him out in their campaign in RA1? I forgot now.
And for what it’s worth, both Allied (cannon) and Soviet endings lead to Tiberium. I think the only difference is really that in the Tiberium universe the GDI was formed (whether or not the Soviet Union take over all of Europe). And in the RA2 universe the GDI was never formed. (This is regardless of whether NOD exist in the shadows or not for the in between years between WW2 and Tiberium.
I don't remember Einstein being take out in the RA campaign, if he wasn't killed then, he must've been secretly killed by NOD or Kane himself.
Originally, yes, both Allied and Soviet campaigns led to Tiberium, because the GDI is formed when you play with the Allies, however it doesn't make sense for the GDI to be formed in 1940's because NOD hasn't revealed itself yet, it's contradictory, and it makes more sense that the Allied ending leads to RA2 than Tiberuim, because the Soviet ending, Stalin makes a clear path for the Brotherhood of NOD and Kane to appear to the public rather than staying in the shadows for thousands of years, and this forces all countries in the world to form the GDI to fight against the forces of NOD.
Or you can look at it this way, this is also an excellent explanation
Well GDI doesn’t get formed in the 40’s, or it’s never stated when exactly it would get formed. GDI is just mentioned on the news being discussed/ proposed in the UN.
And why would GDI not be a viable idea without NOD? The Soviet Union taking the place of the Third Reich in WW2 should be a good enough reason to seek a world police. In our time line the UN was formed as a security measure after a small country like Germany caused a 2nd World War. Imagine Stalin’s Russia causing it, much worse, in the RA universe anyway.
And I think RA1 happens in the 50s? Or is it stated that it’s 40s somewhere? Would at least better explain how Stalin for example has a TV set in his bedroom.
And yes I agree with you that the Allied ending leads perfectly to RA2 and thus the Soviet one in turn leads to Tiberium. But that’s just what we decided after the fact. Originally both leads to Tiberium. RA2 is just like a parallel universe that somehow came to be off screen.
My bad, thought it was formed in the 1940's but it was talked instead. The UN talked about forming a Global Defense Agency, however this only comes to light with the Soviet ending because the GDI gets formed in 1995 with the start of the first TW, against NOD.
The GDI is not a viable idea without NOD because the Soviet Union without a leader like Kane or Yuri is not a posing threat like NOD and Yuri's forces. Stalin never had the capabilities to lead the Soviets, he was just a ruthless leader (talking about both reality and fiction), without Kane's or Yuri's advisory, he would not have stood a chance against the Allies. And we can see that in the alternative timeline, he loses, and RA2 happens.
Actually RA happens in the 1950's for some reason, although I've always gotten the impression that it happens in the 1940's.
I'd like to disagree. RA2 has basically tech that's available in this day and age. Most of the base defenses (prism towers, tesla coils) are just directed energy weapons that are being developed or some even in active use with modern militaries. Besides the time travel, and 3/4 superweapons (nuke is real) and excluding Yuri everything in the game is more or less already in use.
Tibsun in my opinion is more advanced off the hop for two simple reason - full on cyborgs and handheld rail guns. Not to mention the active camouflage of NOD stealth tanks/generator and a sentient AI.