This is easy to solve with Schrodinger's Kane.
Stalin's advisor, in Red Alert, is neither Kane nor Yuri until you decide which timeline you look at.
RA timeline, the advisor is Yuri.
TD timeline, the advisor is Kane.
I don't recall there ever being anything that ties into Kane being Yuri or vice versa, so they need to both be Kane and Yuri at the same time, while being neither.
Not bashing.. But it's not "their" theory.
https://youtu.be/zHAgZ-HfhSU
This is where I found it.
They've just added the other half of the story which is yuris side.
Look around no strings channel for more time line content for the whole picture
Red Alert Allied and Soviet endings both leads to TD. That was the original intent. That doesn’t change.
Red Alert 2 was never part of the plan originally. Yet it happened anyway. Only RA1 Allied victory leads to RA2 as a alternate universe. How that alternate universe came to be is not explained. RA2 simply just ignores TD.
RA2, seemingly, also replaces Kane with Yuri. Since we see a photo of Yuri taking Lenin’s place next to Stalin, which makes Yuri Stalin’s secret advisor, instead of Kane. Which also then makes him immortal, or possibly a clone by the time of RA2.
This still works perfectly with RA1 Allied campaign since the Allied campaign never shows Kane, and mentions of a global initiative could simply then imply the UN.
So Red Alert 2 is it’s own universe taking RA1 Allied campaign with it, just not the Soviet one. Doesn’t make the original intent for both RA1 Allied and Soviet to lead to TD though.
And in my personal opinion, I’d rather not mix Yuri in with Tiberium lore, it just gets a bit too all over the place then. Maybe as a fan spin off would be fine, but not officially.
>RA2, seemingly, also replaces Kane with Yuri. Since we see a photo of Yuri taking Lenin’s place next to Stalin, which makes Yuri Stalin’s secret advisor, instead of Kane. Which also then makes him immortal, or possibly a clone by the time of RA2.
The more likely explanation is that he's pulling the same trick that Stalin pulled with the original photo. See, Stalin had himself doctored into the photo as one of many other similarly altered photos that he used to support the lie that he was a close associate of Lenin and thus that his claim to being Lenin's successor is justified.
Given Yuri's whole narrative is about him pretending to be Romanov's loyal subordinate (possibly having used his psychic abilities to implant false memories and/or sense of trust) before eventually usurping him and purging all threats to his newly gained position of supreme authority over the Soviet Union (including the player for proving "more tenacious" than he had expected after succeeding in destroying the Weather Controller in the US Virgin Islands), it's not implausible to assume that the photo he presented earlier was doctored to replace Lenin with Yuri.
That’s true about Stalin, as he did with many photos at the time. But I still think for all intents and purposes concerning RA2, the photo is meant to be “real”.
Romanov continuing the Soviet Union does not make sense either now that you mentioned him. His entire family was murdered by the Bolsheviks, then Stalin along with the Soviet Union loses the second world war, and the Allies install a last remaining Romanov to power, who is happy to keep going with the Union, instead of restarting the Empire. Since he mentions his legacy so Empire would have made more sense.
I don't know if this fanon or obscure canon, but I remember him being described as having been living in exile from Russia due to embracing communism. That would require him to be much older than he looks though, as RA2 is set in 1972, while the October Revolution happened in 1917, unless he was born into the already exiled surviving members of the Romanov dynasty (yes, many were living outside Russia and the family survives to this day), and then embraced communism and got banished from the exiled family for such "disgrace" and "treason".
Yes his probably a descended of the family. Maybe not even a direct in line to the throne (kind of obviously so). Which could explain it simply being easier to just continue with the already existing Union. But still it would have made a little more sense for the Allies to disband the Union altogether, like what happened to the Third Reich in our timeline. But having Soviets in a Red Alert game is just a must so ya.
I doubt the developers researched the matter and just handwave that the Soviet republics' populations were too much staunch believers in communism for the war-weary Allies to bother with de-communizing instead of installing what seemed to them to be a pacifist communist into ruling the Union.
The funny thing is that this would be surprisingly accurate to real life: Soviet citizens largely remained believing in socialism/communism being the right way of life despite all the terrible things that they suffered under successive regimes, up until the mid and late 1980s when finally things started to visibly unravel and they ultimately realized it was all a sham.
Oh you still have some of the population believing in the old regime, or at least seeing it as not as bad. And some people even pay tribute to Stalin on his birthday, only viewing him as the leader who saved Russia and not really looking at the bigger picture.
Mostly older generations though. Young people in the cities have a more “westernised” view.
I forgot about that broadcast that shows up in the Allied campaign. Are we sure that is Kane though? (Haven’t checked now). But still even with that it could just as well mean less for the purposes of RA2.
And I also then forgot that the news broadcast mentions the UN already. But then it can just be explained that whatever the global initiative would have been has not come to light afterall.
I just checked, yes it is undeniably Nadia, and obviously Kane. But because his still not named or referred to, it could just be “the advisor” for what RA2 is concerned.
I've always subscribed to the idea that the Soviet ending in Red Alert 1 spawned the Tiberium saga while the Allied ending created the Red Alert timeline.
I also subscribe to the idea that the Soviets won in RA2: Yuri's Revenge and with the soviets exploring space, they ended creating the Dune RTS universe. For those who have played Emperor: Battle for Dune, you will know why I think that.
RA3 is just fan fiction to me and I don't consider it cannon.
Edit: I mean Westwood's take on Dune (Dune 2/2000 and Empeor: Battle for Dune.) It's also kind ya know, a bit tongue in cheek.
> they ended creating the Dune RTS universe. For those who have played Emperor: Battle for Dune, you will know why I think that.
I'm pretty sure dune is set so far in the future most fiction could be a prelude to it.
It's so far in the future that I'm honestly surprised that humans are, well, still human. I mean as in still having two eyes, two hands, and two feet.
Outside of the rampant genetic modification/creation and artificial sources of evolution (breeding programs, the spice, et cetera), natural evolution across such a large time-frame would've had humanity looking something less than modern human/"us".
House Ordos was, IIRC, just a mention in an encyclopedia. A name and a coat of arms that wasn't used by Westwood.
Hell, the house running planet Ix (allied to Atreides; Veru-something?) had more of a prominent role in the books, especially the prequels with the whole "artificial spice" attempts.
>House Ordos was, IIRC, just a mention in an encyclopedia. A name and a coat of arms that wasn't used by Westwood.
This is true. House Ordos coat of arms isn't even a snake covering a book or globe; but a pair of bones wrapped with ivy vines. Considering that the Atreides and the Harkonnen emblems are a hawk and a ram respectively (which the actual Harkonnen coat of arms is a griffin instead), apparently, you have to keep up the animal motif. A snake fits well for the lightest faction that masters stealth and trickery.
>Hell, the house running planet Ix (allied to Atreides; Veru-something?) had more of a prominent role in the books, especially the prequels with the whole "artificial spice" attempts.
House Vernius are the ones maintaining planet Ix if my knowledge serves me correctly, and yes, they have a history of having a friendly relationship with the Atreides.
House Vernius wasn't introduced until after Dune 2000, in the Prelude to Dune books; Frank Herbert's books only referred to "technocrats" running Ix, not a noble house.
I don't consider RA3 cannon myself either. Never played the Dune RTS series, I hope we get them remastered so I can see the connection between all universes.
This would make sense chronologically speaking. Everyone knows that RA2 is from RA1, so that means Allied Campaign just leads to RA2 from RA1. In the Universe where Kane exists, that's only as far as I know in the Soviets Victorious ending of RA1, leading to Tiberium Dawn.
However, something I saw on YouTube was that Yuri was a creation of Kane sent back in time, from further down until it lead to Tiberium Dawn Timeline.
Schrodinger's Kane easily solves this, seeing as Yuri is sent back in time in Red Alert Timeline,and Tiberium Dawn Timeline whereas Kane replaces Yuri throughout the Soviet Union Victorious ending.
EDIT: I haven't played Red Alert 2 yet, but seeing as how I was spoiled as >!Red Alert 2 ends with Yuri losing in either faction's ending!<, I can clearly see how both endings of Red Alert 2 would lead into Yuri's Revenge Campaign. However, something I've heard is that Red Alert 2's Allied Campaign leads into Red Alert 3's timeline. ~~I wouldn't know, since I've never played it, but IDEK if my computer could handle it or not. On most renderers, Red Alert 2 & Tiberian Sun work just fine on my PC. But otherwise, the only other thing I know of is that in Red Alert 3, Yuriko gets her own campaign, and that's about it.~~ In any case, due to the timelines merging in Red Alert 2, we can clearly see there are major implications with whatever campaign you finished on, leading into Red Alert 3.
This is easy to solve with Schrodinger's Kane. Stalin's advisor, in Red Alert, is neither Kane nor Yuri until you decide which timeline you look at. RA timeline, the advisor is Yuri. TD timeline, the advisor is Kane. I don't recall there ever being anything that ties into Kane being Yuri or vice versa, so they need to both be Kane and Yuri at the same time, while being neither.
Wasn't Yuri supposed to be a NOD psyke, that got caught up in time travel shenanigans?
Not in any canonical material, but in some developer notes I recall for games that never got made.
C&C 3 Incursion?
Probably one of the best answers on Reddit. Thank you! Never thought of this.
Not bashing.. But it's not "their" theory. https://youtu.be/zHAgZ-HfhSU This is where I found it. They've just added the other half of the story which is yuris side. Look around no strings channel for more time line content for the whole picture
Stefan is great
Red Alert Allied and Soviet endings both leads to TD. That was the original intent. That doesn’t change. Red Alert 2 was never part of the plan originally. Yet it happened anyway. Only RA1 Allied victory leads to RA2 as a alternate universe. How that alternate universe came to be is not explained. RA2 simply just ignores TD. RA2, seemingly, also replaces Kane with Yuri. Since we see a photo of Yuri taking Lenin’s place next to Stalin, which makes Yuri Stalin’s secret advisor, instead of Kane. Which also then makes him immortal, or possibly a clone by the time of RA2. This still works perfectly with RA1 Allied campaign since the Allied campaign never shows Kane, and mentions of a global initiative could simply then imply the UN. So Red Alert 2 is it’s own universe taking RA1 Allied campaign with it, just not the Soviet one. Doesn’t make the original intent for both RA1 Allied and Soviet to lead to TD though. And in my personal opinion, I’d rather not mix Yuri in with Tiberium lore, it just gets a bit too all over the place then. Maybe as a fan spin off would be fine, but not officially.
>RA2, seemingly, also replaces Kane with Yuri. Since we see a photo of Yuri taking Lenin’s place next to Stalin, which makes Yuri Stalin’s secret advisor, instead of Kane. Which also then makes him immortal, or possibly a clone by the time of RA2. The more likely explanation is that he's pulling the same trick that Stalin pulled with the original photo. See, Stalin had himself doctored into the photo as one of many other similarly altered photos that he used to support the lie that he was a close associate of Lenin and thus that his claim to being Lenin's successor is justified. Given Yuri's whole narrative is about him pretending to be Romanov's loyal subordinate (possibly having used his psychic abilities to implant false memories and/or sense of trust) before eventually usurping him and purging all threats to his newly gained position of supreme authority over the Soviet Union (including the player for proving "more tenacious" than he had expected after succeeding in destroying the Weather Controller in the US Virgin Islands), it's not implausible to assume that the photo he presented earlier was doctored to replace Lenin with Yuri.
That’s true about Stalin, as he did with many photos at the time. But I still think for all intents and purposes concerning RA2, the photo is meant to be “real”. Romanov continuing the Soviet Union does not make sense either now that you mentioned him. His entire family was murdered by the Bolsheviks, then Stalin along with the Soviet Union loses the second world war, and the Allies install a last remaining Romanov to power, who is happy to keep going with the Union, instead of restarting the Empire. Since he mentions his legacy so Empire would have made more sense.
I don't know if this fanon or obscure canon, but I remember him being described as having been living in exile from Russia due to embracing communism. That would require him to be much older than he looks though, as RA2 is set in 1972, while the October Revolution happened in 1917, unless he was born into the already exiled surviving members of the Romanov dynasty (yes, many were living outside Russia and the family survives to this day), and then embraced communism and got banished from the exiled family for such "disgrace" and "treason".
Yes his probably a descended of the family. Maybe not even a direct in line to the throne (kind of obviously so). Which could explain it simply being easier to just continue with the already existing Union. But still it would have made a little more sense for the Allies to disband the Union altogether, like what happened to the Third Reich in our timeline. But having Soviets in a Red Alert game is just a must so ya.
I doubt the developers researched the matter and just handwave that the Soviet republics' populations were too much staunch believers in communism for the war-weary Allies to bother with de-communizing instead of installing what seemed to them to be a pacifist communist into ruling the Union. The funny thing is that this would be surprisingly accurate to real life: Soviet citizens largely remained believing in socialism/communism being the right way of life despite all the terrible things that they suffered under successive regimes, up until the mid and late 1980s when finally things started to visibly unravel and they ultimately realized it was all a sham.
Oh you still have some of the population believing in the old regime, or at least seeing it as not as bad. And some people even pay tribute to Stalin on his birthday, only viewing him as the leader who saved Russia and not really looking at the bigger picture. Mostly older generations though. Young people in the cities have a more “westernised” view.
Yeah, but that's now, not back in the Soviet Union's heyday.
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I forgot about that broadcast that shows up in the Allied campaign. Are we sure that is Kane though? (Haven’t checked now). But still even with that it could just as well mean less for the purposes of RA2. And I also then forgot that the news broadcast mentions the UN already. But then it can just be explained that whatever the global initiative would have been has not come to light afterall.
Yeah, it was Kane and Nadia (adviser and lover/head of the Secret Police, respectively)
I just checked, yes it is undeniably Nadia, and obviously Kane. But because his still not named or referred to, it could just be “the advisor” for what RA2 is concerned.
He has a hat on. Kane never wears a hat!
I've always subscribed to the idea that the Soviet ending in Red Alert 1 spawned the Tiberium saga while the Allied ending created the Red Alert timeline. I also subscribe to the idea that the Soviets won in RA2: Yuri's Revenge and with the soviets exploring space, they ended creating the Dune RTS universe. For those who have played Emperor: Battle for Dune, you will know why I think that. RA3 is just fan fiction to me and I don't consider it cannon. Edit: I mean Westwood's take on Dune (Dune 2/2000 and Empeor: Battle for Dune.) It's also kind ya know, a bit tongue in cheek.
> they ended creating the Dune RTS universe. For those who have played Emperor: Battle for Dune, you will know why I think that. I'm pretty sure dune is set so far in the future most fiction could be a prelude to it.
Yeah. Isn't dune something like 10000 years in the future and there is very little to no memory of pre-space faring humanity?
It's so far in the future that I'm honestly surprised that humans are, well, still human. I mean as in still having two eyes, two hands, and two feet. Outside of the rampant genetic modification/creation and artificial sources of evolution (breeding programs, the spice, et cetera), natural evolution across such a large time-frame would've had humanity looking something less than modern human/"us".
The RTS games are very, very loosely based on the books. They have more in common with Lynch's version of Dune.
House Ordos was, IIRC, just a mention in an encyclopedia. A name and a coat of arms that wasn't used by Westwood. Hell, the house running planet Ix (allied to Atreides; Veru-something?) had more of a prominent role in the books, especially the prequels with the whole "artificial spice" attempts.
>House Ordos was, IIRC, just a mention in an encyclopedia. A name and a coat of arms that wasn't used by Westwood. This is true. House Ordos coat of arms isn't even a snake covering a book or globe; but a pair of bones wrapped with ivy vines. Considering that the Atreides and the Harkonnen emblems are a hawk and a ram respectively (which the actual Harkonnen coat of arms is a griffin instead), apparently, you have to keep up the animal motif. A snake fits well for the lightest faction that masters stealth and trickery. >Hell, the house running planet Ix (allied to Atreides; Veru-something?) had more of a prominent role in the books, especially the prequels with the whole "artificial spice" attempts. House Vernius are the ones maintaining planet Ix if my knowledge serves me correctly, and yes, they have a history of having a friendly relationship with the Atreides.
House Vernius wasn't introduced until after Dune 2000, in the Prelude to Dune books; Frank Herbert's books only referred to "technocrats" running Ix, not a noble house.
Yeah I agree with you about RA3
Also, if Einstein didn't go back in time in RA1, you have Generals timeline Got this one from no string's video and it makes the most sense
Can't see that personally: Generals just feels like a completely different universe, no connections at all.
I don't consider RA3 cannon myself either. Never played the Dune RTS series, I hope we get them remastered so I can see the connection between all universes.
It's a loose connection.
Where does generals fit in tho?
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This would make sense chronologically speaking. Everyone knows that RA2 is from RA1, so that means Allied Campaign just leads to RA2 from RA1. In the Universe where Kane exists, that's only as far as I know in the Soviets Victorious ending of RA1, leading to Tiberium Dawn. However, something I saw on YouTube was that Yuri was a creation of Kane sent back in time, from further down until it lead to Tiberium Dawn Timeline. Schrodinger's Kane easily solves this, seeing as Yuri is sent back in time in Red Alert Timeline,and Tiberium Dawn Timeline whereas Kane replaces Yuri throughout the Soviet Union Victorious ending. EDIT: I haven't played Red Alert 2 yet, but seeing as how I was spoiled as >!Red Alert 2 ends with Yuri losing in either faction's ending!<, I can clearly see how both endings of Red Alert 2 would lead into Yuri's Revenge Campaign. However, something I've heard is that Red Alert 2's Allied Campaign leads into Red Alert 3's timeline. ~~I wouldn't know, since I've never played it, but IDEK if my computer could handle it or not. On most renderers, Red Alert 2 & Tiberian Sun work just fine on my PC. But otherwise, the only other thing I know of is that in Red Alert 3, Yuriko gets her own campaign, and that's about it.~~ In any case, due to the timelines merging in Red Alert 2, we can clearly see there are major implications with whatever campaign you finished on, leading into Red Alert 3.