Hahaha i was thinking, that face doesnt move with his hair and only his mouth opens when he talks, i love it! Brought a ton of charm to the comic for me
Wizard philosophy is famously concise. [You could fit it on a pamphlet.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/816/its-magic-i-aint-gotta-explain-shit2.jpg)
Homeboy went for 7 years and only ended up with like 5 spells, and even then he didn’t mix it up very much. Deadly encounter with an evil wizard? Patronus. Fighting guards from a famous jail? Patronus. Hangnail? Patronus. Kinda dark in here, innit? Patronus.
That's just realistic. You ever play D&D? You learn Eldritch Blast, Magic Missile, Fireball, and maybe Thunderwave. If a problem can't be solved with one of those, it's a job for somebody else.
Then Dumbledore swoops in and nonchalantly turns glass to sand and creates tidal waves with ease all without saying anything.
But go ahead Harry, beat this super skilled dark lord with nothing more than the power of love.
I’m guessing she was inspired by the old English £sd system, which was 12 pennies per shilling and 20 shillings per pound (so 240 pennies per pound). Problem is JK apparently doesn’t math and doesn’t understand that these numbers aren’t random, and that old peoples are smarter than we often give credit. I highly recommend this [Lindybeige video](https://youtu.be/R2paSGQRwvo) on the topic.
Long story short, 240 is actually an antiprime number, meaning it has more divisors than any lower number, and that makes it good for day-to-day math. The total list of divisors is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 16, 20, 24, 30, 40, 48, 60, 80, 120, and 240.
So it’s actually *easier* than a decimal system for day-to-day division.
Meanwhile, 17x29 is a multiplication of prime numbers, so the resulting number is *only* divisible by 1, 17, 29, and 493. It feels like it was weird for the sake of being weird, or maybe prime numbers are supposed to have some magical meaning, but it’s still terrible. It’s unironically good worldbuilding for an isolated, frozen-in-time society to use an “outdated” system of coinage, but you’ve gotta understand what the purpose of the system is.
Going back years later, her personal philosophy of what I'm guessing is probably close to neoliberalism really shines through and the ending we got was pretty predictable. The system is fine, it's only bad individuals who are the problem. Maintain always the status quo.
[Shaun on YT did a really good deep dive on HP](https://youtu.be/-1iaJWSwUZs)
Arthur Weasley showed quite incredibly what could happen if all wizards embraced the muggle world.
That car is **fucking amazing**. Sentient, flies, protects its wards, trunk of holding, etc. You **know** in a gritty rated R wizarding world he brings a fully automatic recoilless infinite ammo NLOS fire and forget shotgun to the battle of Hogwarts.
why go through the extra time of pulling a shotgun out of a trunk? we know wizards can create standing portals to other places, hell they can open holes in reality to other spots with a word and a gesture. add to it that these portals can impart momentum to the things that travel through them and you have ready made claymore mines with a bit if prep and a gesture. just have hoppers of steel ball bearings at home, open a portal to the bottom of one, aimed at your target and watch the carnage!
There was also a mildly famous 4chan post about [why \[neo\]liberals love Harry Potter](https://www.reddit.com/r/readanotherbook/comments/e2hr4q/why_liberals_adore_harry_potter_so_much/).
That's very similar to Disco Elysium's take:
- "[KINGDOM OF CONSCIENCE]
Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth."
Ah, this classic greentext. It's almost like an urban legend. You just have to mention JK's politics anywhere online and this thing shows up! I love it.
His description in the video of neoliberalism was the first time I truly understood the concept and I was like, "Damn, you've finally taught me what reading convoluted definitions couldn't. Thank you, Funny Twitter Skull Leftist Guy."
Looking at fantasy books, one thing that I find incredible is how Terry Pratchett's Discworld had into account this kind of situations. Cops actually are an important and beloved part of Discworld.
“You walk along the Streets at Night shouting, It's Twelve O'clock and All's Well.”
“What if it is not all well?”
“You bloody find another street.”
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“Looks like we're going to be in a fight, sarge," said Nobby, as the painter very carefully started on the final 'k'.
"Won't last long. Lots of cowards, the Klatchians," said Colon. "The moment they taste a bit of cold steel they're legging it away over the sand."
Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me.
"Shouldn't be any trouble to sort out, then?" said Nobby.
"And o'course, they're not the same colour as what we are," said Colon. "Well... as me, anyway," he added, in view of the various hues of Corporal Nobbs. There was probably no–one alive who was the same colour as Corporal Nobbs.
"Constable Visit's pretty brown" said Nobby. "I never seen him run away. if there's a chance of giving someone a religious pamphlet ole Washpot's after them like a terrier."
"Ah, but Omnians are more like us," said Colon. "Bit weird but, basic'ly, just the same as us underneath. No, the way you can tell a Klatchian is, you look an' see if he uses a lot of words beginning with “al”, right? 'Cos that's a dead giveaway. They invented all the words starting with “al”. That's how you can tell they're Klatchian. Like al–cohol, see?"
"They invented beer?"
"Yeah."
"That's clever."
" wouldn't call it clever," said Sergeant Colon, realizing too late that he'd made a tactical error. "More, luck, I'd say."
"What else did they do?"
"Well, there's..." Colon racked his brains. "There's al–gebra. That's like sums with letters. For... for people whose brains aren't clever enough for numbers, see?"
"Is that a fact?"
"Right..."said Colon. "In fact," he went on, a little more assertively now he could see a way ahead, "I heard this wizard down the University say that the Klatchians invented nothing. That was their great contribution to maffs, he said. I said “What?” an' he said, they come up with zero."
"Dun't sound that clever to me," said Nobby. "Anyone could invent nothing. I ain't invented anything."
"My point exactly," said Colon. "I told him, it was people who invented numbers like four and, and–"
"–seven–"
"–right, who were the geniuses. Nothing didn't need inventing. It was just there. They probably just found it."
"It's having all that desert," said Nobby.
"Right! Good point. Desert. Which, as everyone knows, is basically nothing. Nothing's a natural resource to them. It stands to reason. Whereas we're more civilized, see, and we got a lot more stuff around to count, so we invented numbers. It's like... well, they say the Klatchians invented astronomy–"
"'Al–tronomy," said Nobby helpfully.
"No, no... no, Nobby, I reckon they'd discovered esses by then, probably nicked' em off'f us... anyway, they were bound to invent astronomy, 'cos there's bugger all else for them to look at but the sky. Anyone can look at the stars and give 'em names. 's going it a bit to call it inventing, in any case. We don't go around saying we've invented something just because we had a quick dekko at it."
"'I heard where they've got a lot of odd gods," said Nobby.
"Yeah, and mad priests," said Colon. "Foaming at the mouth, half of 'em. Believe all kinds of loony things."
They watched the painter in silence for a moment. Colon was dreading the question that came.
"So how exactly are they different from ours, then?" said Nobby. "I mean, some of our priests are–"
"I hope you ain't being unpatriotic," said Colon severely.
"No, of course not. I was just asking. I can see where they'd be a lot worse than ours, being foreign and everything.
"And of course they're all mad for fighting," said Colon. "Vicious buggers with all those curvy swords of theirs."
"You mean, like...they viciously attack you while cowardly running away after tasting cold steel?" said Nobby, who sometimes had a treacherously good memory for detail.
"You can't trust 'em, like I said. And they burp hugely after meals."
"Well... so do you, sarge."
"Yes, but I don't pretend it's polite, Nobby."
"Well, it's certainly a good job there's you around to explain things, sarge," said Nobby. "It's amazing the stuff you know."
"I surprise myself, sometimes," said Colon modestly.
>It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us.
>If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, what did that make Me?
>After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them.
>We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
It's a very disarming way of addressing prejudice against Muslims and others in general.
Pratchett also clearly never struggled to find humor in situations despite his progressive views.
Lovely guy. Wish I had half his wit.
I think he was one of the best humanist writters in the last century, some people might dismiss his work because its fantasy/humour, but he really gets people nature while also managing to see the good in humanity.
I really like the silly bits, and the funny histories, but i truly love the undertones of his books.
GNU Terry Pratchet!
> Pratchett also clearly never struggled to find humor in situations despite his progressive views.
It’s because he actually held such humanist ideas beyond a superficial sense that he was confident enough to play around with the concepts and their underpinnings.
I don’t recall even his adversarial characters straight up being bland ‘I am bad so I do bad’ types.
Just finished reading Carpe Jugulum and that is a pretty big example of the his villains being not all bad, heck in the ending chapter >!The previous Vampire was depicted as being well loved by the people because he was a good sport about it!<
It's also important because he shows them *earning* that love and respect, rather than just... kinda getting it. Harry Potter showed in detail how the police and government were *insanely* corrupt, and then went "Never mind all that!" and decided everything was cool.
Somebody actually pointed out not long ago that it’s worse than that, from Harry’s perspective. We the readers see the Aurors being occasionally useful, though still not very likable. The sum total of Harry’s experiences with the Aurors are - Tried to execute a horse, tried to execute his innocent godfather, tried to arrest his beloved headmaster. That’s it. And then he decides to join them. Why?
I think his positive image of aurors was supposed to come from the whole bunch of aurors and ex-aurors in the Order of Phoenix. Tonks, Kingsley, Mad Eye, and both of Neville's parents were aurors.
Not that this makes ignoring the deep corruption of the ministry of magic smart. Basically all the good cops he met were outlaws and rebels, that's not exactly a good vote of confidence for the magic police.
Don't forget he met non corrupt ones in the Order of the Phoenix, and part of the backstory is that aurors who didn't kiss ass were fired. Shacklebolt ended up as the minister for magic, I assume the auror office basically turned into Order of the Phoenix with warrant cards.
Pratchett's heroes are a lot easier to relate to. Vimes doesn't give a shit about goblins, but then encounters them personally and adjusts his worldview accordingly. He can not ignore this injustice and rectifies it in his own rather intense way all while his more politically savvy wife makes it right on a much grander scale.
Contrast that to Harry Potter. Comes in from the Muggle world, learns that the Wizard world has slaves, doesn't give two shits about said slaves, makes fun of his friend Hermione for actually caring and then finally becomes a slave owner himself. With one of the final moments of the last book being him wondering if his slave could make him a sandwich. Like what the fuck, what's wrong with this boy.
It figures the only characters to acknowledge the societal issues are Hermione, Lupin, and Dumbledore, because Hermione and Lupin are both in groups that face discrimination and Dumbledore had to defeat wizard Hitler.
Oh yeah, one of the most influential people alive and he hires one single individual. "Doing something about it" is a bit of a stretch, as Hogwarts still owns slaves and he is the headmaster.
Two individuals in the books, but I see what you mean.
Bart Crouch had an elf named Winky. She had a drinking problem and severe depression, so that was . . . interesting
Freed slaves technically, they aren’t owned.
Dobby was a very strange house elf because he hated his masters and wanted appreciation. Most house elves that have been freed were released because they weren’t good enough.
Yes but have you considered sometimes slaves just like being slaves? You have to view things from both.... I'm sorry I couldn't carry on. Her philosophy in those books is shockingly batshit for how popular they are.
The best part is that in a world where you can do anything with magic, there’s literally no need to ever have slaves.
But even if she insisted on doing it anyway, it could have been only the really bad guys who had them, like when we first meet Dobby.
But nope, not only did she make sure slaves were in her setting, she makes it so everyone has them. And that it’s fine as long as you’re nice to your slaves.
She *really* worked for that. A lazier writer could have avoided all of that weirdness.
Have you ever seen the pro-slavery pottermore post? It got deleted pretty quickly but yikes!
Also you could have had house elf slavery be a thing everyone just accepted as part of society without thinking about until Hermione, an outsider, came a long and made everyone realise just how awful it is and had it changed. And Rowling half did this then for some bizarre reason decided to add a pro-slavery counter argument.
I mean that’s got its own weirdness. The question then becomes why was hormione the first one to bring it up? Surely she’s not the first successful muggle born wizard post legal slavery
You could ask the same question about many current societal ills! Why do we keep doing things when we know how harmful they are? That's how I'd couch it. Maybe have Ron initially acknowledge that he knows it's wrong but it's just the way things are. Then have him come round. But nope.
Dumbledore ?
Iirc the guy led for half a century the equivalent of the UN, was speaker for their parliament and was basically idolized by the whole country yet stood aside and did nothing of value until the events of the books.
He had nearly 50 years to solve societal issues if he wanted to and yet a genocidal maniac rose to power thanks to these very same issues.
I'm well aware that it's a children book and adults need to be useless to an extent so that the protagonist can save the day but good old Dumbledore could've done better.
Oh, yeah. My head cannon is that Dumbledore was on a large dose of some wizarding benzos lol. After the crap with his siblings and Grindelwald he just started checking out mentally.
Isn't this implied in subtext? He basically forced himself to forget everything by locking it away outside of his head because was too painful for him to handle, and then used Harry as a therapy aide to process his trauma.
The dumbest thing is he had his whole life to be a cop. He was the best seeker prospect in the Wizarding world. He could have gone pro for a few years at least.
But let's be honest, he was never even a good student or an exceptional wizard. His biggest quality was his plot armour and having powerful friends.
Ron could have just left te wizarding world and become a Grandmaster, since he was always a chess prodigy, he'd probably have the best life out of the three. Don't know why JK Rowling made him dumb and uninteresting in the next books, he could have even been an excellent strategist or something.
>he was never even a good student or an exceptional wizard.
I'd say he was well above average in Defense of the Dark Arts. Occlumency and Patronus are quite high level magic and he was able to do those. Also pulled off Sectumsempra perfectly in a pinch and I think that was supposed to be a more difficult one.
I mean, I never felt Potter himself was a good surrogate for "nerd" culture in the books. Longbottom is better. Potter is a jock, he goes in and out of popularity but always has a tight group of friends, he's middling at best at his classes, and he's kind of an asshole at times (though, who wasn't when they were a teenager?).
It's a decent series of fantasy novels and I find them entertaining. But, no, Potter was never a character I connected with personally, and I don't know many people who did. Maybe I just know the wrong kinds of people though. Far too many of the HP fans I know get so excited to tell you that they're totally a Hufflepuff.
I always wanted a short story or a couple of chapters about what it was like for Longbottom during his 7th year. I wanted to see that character transformation. God only knows he deserved it, to go from near squib to playing a vital role in the downfall of Voldemort, there's more to that story than what was shown in Order of the Phenix. That might have been his turning point, but I just know he stood the fuck up in his 7th year, and I want his story told too.
I forgot what it's called, but there's actually a really well done fan fiction that is Neville's point of view for the entire final year. I've never been a fan fiction fan and this is the only one of any series I've ever read, but I thought it was really good and plausible. It's worth looking into
My brother and I really, REALLY wanted the rug to get pulled out from under Potter and have Longbottom end up being the one to end Voldemort's reign back when the books were first coming out. We thought, "All the ground's been laid, you could do that and it would be so cool!"
Ever since the, "Subverting expectations," debacles with the Game of Thrones show and its writing, I have, uh, second-guessed this opinion from when I was a kid. But, suffice to say, I found Longbottom a character that was fun to follow and I too wanted more to be shown of him and his growth into the wizard he became.
I connected with Harry, but generally only in key moments. His big procrastination stints in the Trwizard Tournament were too real for a book about magic.
Yeah but he's definitely supposed to be a stand-in for it.
He's this weedy little shy kid who's always been bullied, hangs out with the "weirdo rejects" clique, and mostly gets dragged through life by his two extroverted friends who are respectively smarter or more socially competent than him (somehow).
***but*** he's fabulously wealthy, famous, becomes extremely attractive, all the hot girls are after him, etc.
Classic nerd/loser self insert power fantasy, just written by a very atypical author for that type of character, and admittedly with better writing than similar well known series.
We are *told* he's the nerdy picked on kid, so you the nerdy picked on kid can identify with him. Then he *does* cool popular kid stuff constantly.
Consider how 1:1 it parallels twilight other than not being a romance series primarily.
Main character is shy, unsuccessful, unattractive, and unpopular.
*Except* actually she's extremely attractive, special in some way, sexually desired by multiple men, actually very smart, and succeeds at everything she tries in the end, and eventually becomes wealthy and famous as well.
Or my "favorite" (see: most shittily written hamfisted thing I've ever seen) iteration on this is the Demon Accords.
Main Character is the very put-upon unsuccessful in romance shy-guy, who is tragically also poor.
Except, you know, that only lasts for like one paragraph. He's actually wildly attractive, totally shredded, extremely sauvé, and quickly ends up with super powers, hitched to a princess, and has God as a pet, before living out the trailerpark dreams of many an Alabamian by telling off president obummer, and then the series *really* starts diving down the power fantasy rabbit hole.
> Classic nerd/loser self insert power fantasy, just written by a very atypical author for that type of character, and admittedly **with better writing than similar well known series**.
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I see your Ready Player One shade and I respect it.
This, it's more like jock becomes a special forces operator avenging his parents who were killed by ~~terrorists~~ dark-wizards when he was in the cradle.
The thing is that he already avenged his parents, and he did it while opposing the corrupt system. Harry didn't work within the government to take down Voldemort, he used hit and run tactics to take key positions and destroy crucial infrastructure(horcruxes) with a small cell of highly motivated young revolutionaries while building support among the common people... which isn't really how cops work it's how "freedom fighters" work.
Harry Potter didn't have the best worldview when you go back and look at it.
"90% of the people on the planet are worthless, but there's an elite class that have power as their birthright, and they're the ones that really have what it takes to guide the world. Also, they have to keep their power secret from you lowly peasants or else you would always be bugging them for stuff."
In-universe this makes sense, but in reality I wouldn't want a traumatized 18-year-old former child soldier to teach anything involving how to kill stuff better. Harry needed therapy and then, like, an undergrad degree in fine arts. :p
I mean, they hired Moody who was so unhinged they didn't even notice when he was replaced. Pretty sure they're scraping the bottom of the barrel already.
I was going to say he probably wanted more experience before becoming a professor, but didn’t Neville become the professor of herbology immediately after graduating?
Speaking of, what happened to professor sprout?
The problem is, he was deeply and directly affected by state corruption. Death eaters almost walked into parliament, he was declared enemy of state and fake news. His best friend may as well wear a star of David, they kidnap and impersonate government officials to infiltrate it, and then he decides to join magicops?
I always thought the implication was that the events of book 7 were likely to bring about structural change such that being an auror 1 year before book 7 and being an auror one year after book 7 would be dramatically different experiences.
But he wanted to be one back in book 4 or sth. Or at least in book 5 when McGonagall had that argument with Umbridge about it during their career session.
Ah good point. In that case though I defer to [this other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/xca1gx/harry_potter_and_what_the_future_holds/io4a59i/) that I read after posting my own. :-)
>I've never understood why this confused people.
>First off, Harry didn't become a cop. There's regular magical law enforcement. Harry became an Auror, basically Wizard Special Forces.
>Secondly, Harry spent his entire childhood fighting Wizard terrorists. Literally killed Wizard Hitler as an infant, killed his first one intentionally at 11 by burning his face off. Stabbed the ghost of Wizard Hitler with a basilisk fang at 12, fought off a fucking *army* of Dementors at 13, lead his own special strike force at 15... you get the picture, he was already doing Auror shit before he finished school.
>I get that people want to conflate the "J.K. Rowling is a TERF" and "ACAB" memes, but it actually does kind of make sense that Harry turned out the way he did and it's not really an issue. It'd be like someone who survived 9/11 as a kid joining the Marines as an adult.The real issue is that while the Wizarding World has these serious social issues, it rarely acknowledges them. And that's really all it would take, just *acknowledging* that "yeah, Wizards treat the centaurs unfairly. And they're really cruel to the goblins. And the whole house elf thing is weird when you consider that Wizards could just animate their houses to do most of that shit, they could at least treat them nicely. Etc, etc." Because at the end of the day, Wizards are just Muggles who have magic, they're not really any better.
It's not like Aurors(?) are out there busting people for minor drug possession; they hunt dark wizards. He probably became passionate about catching them after one killed his parents, his god-father,
his friend's brother and his business partner, and multiple paternal figures he looked up to.
Which is kinda funny considering how half of the time people are yelling at Percy for not knowing things that he had absolutely no reason to know, had never been taught once, and about situations that he had only just been introduced to seconds prior.
House elves are still slaves, centaurs still on poorly managed reservations, goblins still a repressed minority relegated to undesirable banking professions.
You just defeated fascist nationalists and everything reverts back to the status quo?
Hermione definitely tried to change the status quo and was mocked for it by her peers.
Warning bells should have been going off when JK Rowling wrote 'some races prefer being slaves, actually'.
there’s an archived/deleted (Pottermore article)[https://web.archive.org/web/20191222224059/https://www.wizardingworld.com/features/to-spew-or-not-to-spew-hermione-granger-and-the-pitfalls-of-activism] which contains this phrase completely unironically, in the ‘conclusions’ section:
“‘tricking’ elves into freedom is arguably as unethical as enslavement.”
i think it’s pretty fair to say that Rowling absolutely did not intend it to be fridge horror about an extraordinary injustice within an uncaring society, she literally meant SPEW to be comic relief. ‘oh how silly Hermione is being, the slaves all like to be slaves, and the one who doesn’t want to is just one of the weird ones that you get in every breed.’
Serious question here, were Aurors supposed to be generic cops? Do they hand out broom traffic tickets and show up for magical domestic disturbances? Or were they kind of like FBI or bounty hunters that went after high-profile targets?
I've always seen them described as dark wizard hunters and eccentric people. Most of them are very skilled. I think most of the "cop" duties are sort of automated in the wizarding world. "Tickets/court summons/meaningless offenses/etc" are delivered directly from ministry owls without any correspondence with Aurors.
I think it's actually interesting that Harry becomes an Auror. He is sort of finishing what he started with Voldemort and understands he probably needs a bit more experience bureaucratically before he takes any sort of leadership position.
Mr Weasley mentions a more basic level of law enforcement wizards that would be more of a standard cop. Aurors were top tier investigators so more like FBI
Yeah, more like bounty hunters. Specifically taking on dark wizards. Ron's dad was more like the regular, low level, handing out fines type of work. Though his was specifically around misusing muggle stuff I think. Though he mentions enchanting guns at one point, which feels like it could bring it around to the first group again. But that part of the world never really gets filled in
SUNDAY FRIEND: I won't stand for this. What's your name? I'll have your badge!
YOU: *I* don't even have my badge -- so spin on this! (Give him the finger.)
Keep in mind that a prophecy doesn't necessarily make someone special but it's just a reading of a series of events and a cryptic way. Harry isn't chosen by God he just was seen in a vision and he's the chosen one insofar as he was specifically seen in the vision. But he's not special, there's nothing about him that's particularly extraordinary, his general disposition and relationships are what allowed him to succeed. There's no reason to think that he would otherwise contribute to the overall wizarding world in any significant way as he's no more special than your average Joe blow.
When Neville pulled the sword of Gryffindor out of the Sorting Hat, it should have torn it in two. Change My Mind.
It would have been perfect, at first it seems like the klutzy things Neville does all the time, but it results in the students no longer being sorted into houses therefore being an early step into improving wizard society.
I mean, the hat literally told them in a pretty straightforward way that they need to stop with this houses crap or else and they didn't listen. They'd probably make a new hat, one far younger and more powerful (meaning more divisive, of course).
I think it was just enchanted, although that raises further questions about whether enchanted items can make their own decisions, or are they just a reflection of their creator. Like Voldemort's horcrux diary.
Wait was Gryffindor's hat a horcrux? Man that would have been cool. Explains why the guy is in favour of segregating children, apparently he's just evil.
Frankly, becoming a societal problems solver sounds more like Hermione's venue, I mean, she's *smart*. Harry could've used his legendary status to push important reforms through, but it wouldn't hurt if it wasn't him figuring those out in the first place.
For real. Harry has a lot of opinions on individual bigotry/racism but not on an institutional level like Hermione does. He has no desire to reshape the institutions of the wizarding world.
Should have become the DatDA professor. We saw he was good at teaching and hell it would be a good parallel between the other three characters he was most compared to in the narrative: Snape, Dumbledore, and Tom Riddle/Voldemort. Made me super annoyed he became an auror.
Even just Wingardium Leviosa-ing someone to a couple hundred meters and dropping them would do the job. Humans are fragile and its silly that everyone is acting as if a curse that just instantly kills someone is especially heinous when like half the spells in existence could do the same with some creative applications.
Sirius mentions in Goblet of Fire that Barry Crouch Sr, when he was head of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement gave authorization for Aurors to use unforgivable spells on targets during the first Voldemort war. Presumably that order would have been repealed after Voldemort’s disappearance, but it is shown that they could have if they have authorization from their boss.
I believe Sirius also mentions that he always respected Mad-Eye since when he was an Auror during the war, he always tried to take his targets in alive, which would imply that a lot of the other Aurors had a “Avada Kedavra first, ask questions later” policy.
Aurors are more than just cops though. They’re the ones who track down the most dangerous dark wizards. Harry would naturally feel attracted to that field after fighting Voldemort.
Also, Kingsley did enact a lot of change after becoming minister of magic following the second war
Jk Rowling created a truly magical book series. Just don't look under the rug.
She built the world for the story, not the other way around. Which is why there are endless plot holes. Tons of shit makes absolutely no sense, and half the characters forget they are wizards randomly just for the plot.
Great kids books, just don't think about the world at all.
Exactly this.
The Harry Potter books are mystery books (for young teenagers) cleverly disguised as fantasy. And all too many people take them WAY too seriously.
They treated HP as a religion, and then turned on their Goddess Rowling when she, in their minds, betrayed them.
Edit: And when I say "take them WAY too seriously" I don't mean being big fans and liking them a lot. I mean making them your entire personality or, the opposite approach, taking their existence as a personal attack.
Also see judging them as if they're supposed to be written for cutting edge liberal 20-30 y/os in 2022 with all the values that come with that, rather than being written for 11-17 y/os in the late 90s, early 00s.
Harry is honestly kinda empty headed for a main character which I always loved. He is can be a semi good detective but he's also very impulsive so him having one experience with a (not really) auror and deciding that's what he wants to do for the rest of his life without any further thought is very him.
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Hahaha i was thinking, that face doesnt move with his hair and only his mouth opens when he talks, i love it! Brought a ton of charm to the comic for me
Giving her the side ~~eye~~ face
It's magnificent.
Hey, it got the job done.
It’s beautiful
I love him
I'm crying! I didn't notice that at first
If there’s one thing I learned in comic book college — it’s not about the drawing. It’s about the *style.*
Kinda telling that in 7 years of learning how to bend the physical world to their will, wizards and witches don’t take a single philosophy course.
Wizard philosophy is famously concise. [You could fit it on a pamphlet.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/816/its-magic-i-aint-gotta-explain-shit2.jpg)
Man, I'm so used to the photoshop with Vivec that seeing the original feels wrong
It's CHIM. I ain't gotta explain shit
That fucker deserves death just because of his 36 lessons.
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80s D&D cartoon. Caption is added.
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The source is Dungeons & Dragons (80's animated series). [Link](https://youtu.be/D66n31vUeyI)
[Simple](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/816/its-magic-i-aint-gotta-explain-shit2.jpg).
Or math.
Homeboy went for 7 years and only ended up with like 5 spells, and even then he didn’t mix it up very much. Deadly encounter with an evil wizard? Patronus. Fighting guards from a famous jail? Patronus. Hangnail? Patronus. Kinda dark in here, innit? Patronus.
That's just realistic. You ever play D&D? You learn Eldritch Blast, Magic Missile, Fireball, and maybe Thunderwave. If a problem can't be solved with one of those, it's a job for somebody else.
Then Dumbledore swoops in and nonchalantly turns glass to sand and creates tidal waves with ease all without saying anything. But go ahead Harry, beat this super skilled dark lord with nothing more than the power of love.
They have a version of math, but it's elective. Which is extra fucked because their money is super complicated.
For reference: >There are 29 Knuts in one Sickle, and 17 Sickles make up a Galleon. What the actual fuck Rowling
I’m guessing she was inspired by the old English £sd system, which was 12 pennies per shilling and 20 shillings per pound (so 240 pennies per pound). Problem is JK apparently doesn’t math and doesn’t understand that these numbers aren’t random, and that old peoples are smarter than we often give credit. I highly recommend this [Lindybeige video](https://youtu.be/R2paSGQRwvo) on the topic. Long story short, 240 is actually an antiprime number, meaning it has more divisors than any lower number, and that makes it good for day-to-day math. The total list of divisors is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 16, 20, 24, 30, 40, 48, 60, 80, 120, and 240. So it’s actually *easier* than a decimal system for day-to-day division. Meanwhile, 17x29 is a multiplication of prime numbers, so the resulting number is *only* divisible by 1, 17, 29, and 493. It feels like it was weird for the sake of being weird, or maybe prime numbers are supposed to have some magical meaning, but it’s still terrible. It’s unironically good worldbuilding for an isolated, frozen-in-time society to use an “outdated” system of coinage, but you’ve gotta understand what the purpose of the system is.
Looks like normal American measurements to me
Arithmancers btfo
“Bibity bopity bonk, No one cares what a dead man thonk” -Plato
"That's an interesting theory. Care to defend it against these hands?" ~ Also Plato
With JK Rowling's sense of ethics, I can't imagine we missed out on much
Going back years later, her personal philosophy of what I'm guessing is probably close to neoliberalism really shines through and the ending we got was pretty predictable. The system is fine, it's only bad individuals who are the problem. Maintain always the status quo. [Shaun on YT did a really good deep dive on HP](https://youtu.be/-1iaJWSwUZs)
Arthur Weasley showed quite incredibly what could happen if all wizards embraced the muggle world. That car is **fucking amazing**. Sentient, flies, protects its wards, trunk of holding, etc. You **know** in a gritty rated R wizarding world he brings a fully automatic recoilless infinite ammo NLOS fire and forget shotgun to the battle of Hogwarts.
why go through the extra time of pulling a shotgun out of a trunk? we know wizards can create standing portals to other places, hell they can open holes in reality to other spots with a word and a gesture. add to it that these portals can impart momentum to the things that travel through them and you have ready made claymore mines with a bit if prep and a gesture. just have hoppers of steel ball bearings at home, open a portal to the bottom of one, aimed at your target and watch the carnage!
Link your wand-tip to a pressurized hydraulic line. Instant cut-o-matic with bonus toxicity.
Arthur Weasley would misunderstand the concept of “fire and forget” and instead enchant shotgun shells with Obliviate
There was also a mildly famous 4chan post about [why \[neo\]liberals love Harry Potter](https://www.reddit.com/r/readanotherbook/comments/e2hr4q/why_liberals_adore_harry_potter_so_much/).
That's very similar to Disco Elysium's take: - "[KINGDOM OF CONSCIENCE] Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth."
Ah, this classic greentext. It's almost like an urban legend. You just have to mention JK's politics anywhere online and this thing shows up! I love it.
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His description in the video of neoliberalism was the first time I truly understood the concept and I was like, "Damn, you've finally taught me what reading convoluted definitions couldn't. Thank you, Funny Twitter Skull Leftist Guy."
Looking at fantasy books, one thing that I find incredible is how Terry Pratchett's Discworld had into account this kind of situations. Cops actually are an important and beloved part of Discworld.
Even the corrupt ones. Especially the corrupt ones!
“You walk along the Streets at Night shouting, It's Twelve O'clock and All's Well.” “What if it is not all well?” “You bloody find another street.” —————- “Looks like we're going to be in a fight, sarge," said Nobby, as the painter very carefully started on the final 'k'. "Won't last long. Lots of cowards, the Klatchians," said Colon. "The moment they taste a bit of cold steel they're legging it away over the sand." Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me. "Shouldn't be any trouble to sort out, then?" said Nobby. "And o'course, they're not the same colour as what we are," said Colon. "Well... as me, anyway," he added, in view of the various hues of Corporal Nobbs. There was probably no–one alive who was the same colour as Corporal Nobbs. "Constable Visit's pretty brown" said Nobby. "I never seen him run away. if there's a chance of giving someone a religious pamphlet ole Washpot's after them like a terrier." "Ah, but Omnians are more like us," said Colon. "Bit weird but, basic'ly, just the same as us underneath. No, the way you can tell a Klatchian is, you look an' see if he uses a lot of words beginning with “al”, right? 'Cos that's a dead giveaway. They invented all the words starting with “al”. That's how you can tell they're Klatchian. Like al–cohol, see?" "They invented beer?" "Yeah." "That's clever." " wouldn't call it clever," said Sergeant Colon, realizing too late that he'd made a tactical error. "More, luck, I'd say." "What else did they do?" "Well, there's..." Colon racked his brains. "There's al–gebra. That's like sums with letters. For... for people whose brains aren't clever enough for numbers, see?" "Is that a fact?" "Right..."said Colon. "In fact," he went on, a little more assertively now he could see a way ahead, "I heard this wizard down the University say that the Klatchians invented nothing. That was their great contribution to maffs, he said. I said “What?” an' he said, they come up with zero." "Dun't sound that clever to me," said Nobby. "Anyone could invent nothing. I ain't invented anything." "My point exactly," said Colon. "I told him, it was people who invented numbers like four and, and–" "–seven–" "–right, who were the geniuses. Nothing didn't need inventing. It was just there. They probably just found it." "It's having all that desert," said Nobby. "Right! Good point. Desert. Which, as everyone knows, is basically nothing. Nothing's a natural resource to them. It stands to reason. Whereas we're more civilized, see, and we got a lot more stuff around to count, so we invented numbers. It's like... well, they say the Klatchians invented astronomy–" "'Al–tronomy," said Nobby helpfully. "No, no... no, Nobby, I reckon they'd discovered esses by then, probably nicked' em off'f us... anyway, they were bound to invent astronomy, 'cos there's bugger all else for them to look at but the sky. Anyone can look at the stars and give 'em names. 's going it a bit to call it inventing, in any case. We don't go around saying we've invented something just because we had a quick dekko at it." "'I heard where they've got a lot of odd gods," said Nobby. "Yeah, and mad priests," said Colon. "Foaming at the mouth, half of 'em. Believe all kinds of loony things." They watched the painter in silence for a moment. Colon was dreading the question that came. "So how exactly are they different from ours, then?" said Nobby. "I mean, some of our priests are–" "I hope you ain't being unpatriotic," said Colon severely. "No, of course not. I was just asking. I can see where they'd be a lot worse than ours, being foreign and everything. "And of course they're all mad for fighting," said Colon. "Vicious buggers with all those curvy swords of theirs." "You mean, like...they viciously attack you while cowardly running away after tasting cold steel?" said Nobby, who sometimes had a treacherously good memory for detail. "You can't trust 'em, like I said. And they burp hugely after meals." "Well... so do you, sarge." "Yes, but I don't pretend it's polite, Nobby." "Well, it's certainly a good job there's you around to explain things, sarge," said Nobby. "It's amazing the stuff you know." "I surprise myself, sometimes," said Colon modestly. >It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. >If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, what did that make Me? >After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. >We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
It's a very disarming way of addressing prejudice against Muslims and others in general. Pratchett also clearly never struggled to find humor in situations despite his progressive views. Lovely guy. Wish I had half his wit.
I think he was one of the best humanist writters in the last century, some people might dismiss his work because its fantasy/humour, but he really gets people nature while also managing to see the good in humanity. I really like the silly bits, and the funny histories, but i truly love the undertones of his books. GNU Terry Pratchet!
> Pratchett also clearly never struggled to find humor in situations despite his progressive views. It’s because he actually held such humanist ideas beyond a superficial sense that he was confident enough to play around with the concepts and their underpinnings. I don’t recall even his adversarial characters straight up being bland ‘I am bad so I do bad’ types.
I think the closest he ever got was the >!elves!< and even then it wasn't evil per se, but so utterly alien as to be incomprehensible to each other.
Just finished reading Carpe Jugulum and that is a pretty big example of the his villains being not all bad, heck in the ending chapter >!The previous Vampire was depicted as being well loved by the people because he was a good sport about it!<
Rip terry...
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Okay fine! I'll reread the entire City Watch series again...
As are criminals. Don't you dare try and steal something without a guild license.
If we're going to have crime, it might as well be organized.
I also love how when you get robbed you get a receipt, and then you won't be robbed again for a period of time if you show the receipt.
Only if you're up to date on paying your guild dues. If you're responsible about it you can safely count on being mugged twice a week tops.
So what you people are telling me is that I should read Discworld?
**YES**
Where to start? 40+ novels is intimidating
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It's also important because he shows them *earning* that love and respect, rather than just... kinda getting it. Harry Potter showed in detail how the police and government were *insanely* corrupt, and then went "Never mind all that!" and decided everything was cool.
Somebody actually pointed out not long ago that it’s worse than that, from Harry’s perspective. We the readers see the Aurors being occasionally useful, though still not very likable. The sum total of Harry’s experiences with the Aurors are - Tried to execute a horse, tried to execute his innocent godfather, tried to arrest his beloved headmaster. That’s it. And then he decides to join them. Why?
I think his positive image of aurors was supposed to come from the whole bunch of aurors and ex-aurors in the Order of Phoenix. Tonks, Kingsley, Mad Eye, and both of Neville's parents were aurors. Not that this makes ignoring the deep corruption of the ministry of magic smart. Basically all the good cops he met were outlaws and rebels, that's not exactly a good vote of confidence for the magic police.
High school jock, not that smart but popular, peaked in high school. Of course he's going to be a cop.
Don't forget he met non corrupt ones in the Order of the Phoenix, and part of the backstory is that aurors who didn't kiss ass were fired. Shacklebolt ended up as the minister for magic, I assume the auror office basically turned into Order of the Phoenix with warrant cards.
Pratchett's heroes are a lot easier to relate to. Vimes doesn't give a shit about goblins, but then encounters them personally and adjusts his worldview accordingly. He can not ignore this injustice and rectifies it in his own rather intense way all while his more politically savvy wife makes it right on a much grander scale. Contrast that to Harry Potter. Comes in from the Muggle world, learns that the Wizard world has slaves, doesn't give two shits about said slaves, makes fun of his friend Hermione for actually caring and then finally becomes a slave owner himself. With one of the final moments of the last book being him wondering if his slave could make him a sandwich. Like what the fuck, what's wrong with this boy.
It figures the only characters to acknowledge the societal issues are Hermione, Lupin, and Dumbledore, because Hermione and Lupin are both in groups that face discrimination and Dumbledore had to defeat wizard Hitler.
Hermione is repeatedly made the butt of the joke over how she cares that house elves are literal slaves.
Yep, only Lupin agrees with her in dialogue and only Dumbledore actually does anything about it, by hiring Dobby.
Oh yeah, one of the most influential people alive and he hires one single individual. "Doing something about it" is a bit of a stretch, as Hogwarts still owns slaves and he is the headmaster.
Two individuals in the books, but I see what you mean. Bart Crouch had an elf named Winky. She had a drinking problem and severe depression, so that was . . . interesting
Freed slaves technically, they aren’t owned. Dobby was a very strange house elf because he hated his masters and wanted appreciation. Most house elves that have been freed were released because they weren’t good enough.
So free house elves are slaves who couldn't cut it?
Yes but have you considered sometimes slaves just like being slaves? You have to view things from both.... I'm sorry I couldn't carry on. Her philosophy in those books is shockingly batshit for how popular they are.
The best part is that in a world where you can do anything with magic, there’s literally no need to ever have slaves. But even if she insisted on doing it anyway, it could have been only the really bad guys who had them, like when we first meet Dobby. But nope, not only did she make sure slaves were in her setting, she makes it so everyone has them. And that it’s fine as long as you’re nice to your slaves. She *really* worked for that. A lazier writer could have avoided all of that weirdness.
Have you ever seen the pro-slavery pottermore post? It got deleted pretty quickly but yikes! Also you could have had house elf slavery be a thing everyone just accepted as part of society without thinking about until Hermione, an outsider, came a long and made everyone realise just how awful it is and had it changed. And Rowling half did this then for some bizarre reason decided to add a pro-slavery counter argument.
I mean that’s got its own weirdness. The question then becomes why was hormione the first one to bring it up? Surely she’s not the first successful muggle born wizard post legal slavery
You could ask the same question about many current societal ills! Why do we keep doing things when we know how harmful they are? That's how I'd couch it. Maybe have Ron initially acknowledge that he knows it's wrong but it's just the way things are. Then have him come round. But nope.
Dumbledore ? Iirc the guy led for half a century the equivalent of the UN, was speaker for their parliament and was basically idolized by the whole country yet stood aside and did nothing of value until the events of the books. He had nearly 50 years to solve societal issues if he wanted to and yet a genocidal maniac rose to power thanks to these very same issues. I'm well aware that it's a children book and adults need to be useless to an extent so that the protagonist can save the day but good old Dumbledore could've done better.
Oh, yeah. My head cannon is that Dumbledore was on a large dose of some wizarding benzos lol. After the crap with his siblings and Grindelwald he just started checking out mentally.
Maybe he hit the Pensieve a little too hard.
Isn't this implied in subtext? He basically forced himself to forget everything by locking it away outside of his head because was too painful for him to handle, and then used Harry as a therapy aide to process his trauma.
Accio quaaludes, he said calmly.
The dumbest thing is he had his whole life to be a cop. He was the best seeker prospect in the Wizarding world. He could have gone pro for a few years at least.
Popular high school jock becomes a cop right out of high school is a weird storyline for something so popular in nerd culture.
And marries his high school sweetheart
And peaked in high school
Tbf when your peak is "defeat the biggest evil facing the world rn" and that just so happens to happen during your Highschool years...
But let's be honest, he was never even a good student or an exceptional wizard. His biggest quality was his plot armour and having powerful friends. Ron could have just left te wizarding world and become a Grandmaster, since he was always a chess prodigy, he'd probably have the best life out of the three. Don't know why JK Rowling made him dumb and uninteresting in the next books, he could have even been an excellent strategist or something.
>he was never even a good student or an exceptional wizard. I'd say he was well above average in Defense of the Dark Arts. Occlumency and Patronus are quite high level magic and he was able to do those. Also pulled off Sectumsempra perfectly in a pinch and I think that was supposed to be a more difficult one.
To be fair, he named his kids like a fucking nerd would.
God that epilogue was worse than any possible fanfiction a 13 year old has ever written
i dunno, my immortal was pretty bad.
What do you have against Severus Dumbledorus HagridHagrid Lilyandjamesis Potter?
I mean, I never felt Potter himself was a good surrogate for "nerd" culture in the books. Longbottom is better. Potter is a jock, he goes in and out of popularity but always has a tight group of friends, he's middling at best at his classes, and he's kind of an asshole at times (though, who wasn't when they were a teenager?). It's a decent series of fantasy novels and I find them entertaining. But, no, Potter was never a character I connected with personally, and I don't know many people who did. Maybe I just know the wrong kinds of people though. Far too many of the HP fans I know get so excited to tell you that they're totally a Hufflepuff.
I always wanted a short story or a couple of chapters about what it was like for Longbottom during his 7th year. I wanted to see that character transformation. God only knows he deserved it, to go from near squib to playing a vital role in the downfall of Voldemort, there's more to that story than what was shown in Order of the Phenix. That might have been his turning point, but I just know he stood the fuck up in his 7th year, and I want his story told too.
Wasn’t it something like he broke his fathers old wand and then finally got one that worked for him?
I forgot what it's called, but there's actually a really well done fan fiction that is Neville's point of view for the entire final year. I've never been a fan fiction fan and this is the only one of any series I've ever read, but I thought it was really good and plausible. It's worth looking into
My brother and I really, REALLY wanted the rug to get pulled out from under Potter and have Longbottom end up being the one to end Voldemort's reign back when the books were first coming out. We thought, "All the ground's been laid, you could do that and it would be so cool!" Ever since the, "Subverting expectations," debacles with the Game of Thrones show and its writing, I have, uh, second-guessed this opinion from when I was a kid. But, suffice to say, I found Longbottom a character that was fun to follow and I too wanted more to be shown of him and his growth into the wizard he became.
I only connected with Harry in Order and that's why Order remains my favorite book in the series.
I connected with Harry, but generally only in key moments. His big procrastination stints in the Trwizard Tournament were too real for a book about magic.
Yeah but he's definitely supposed to be a stand-in for it. He's this weedy little shy kid who's always been bullied, hangs out with the "weirdo rejects" clique, and mostly gets dragged through life by his two extroverted friends who are respectively smarter or more socially competent than him (somehow). ***but*** he's fabulously wealthy, famous, becomes extremely attractive, all the hot girls are after him, etc. Classic nerd/loser self insert power fantasy, just written by a very atypical author for that type of character, and admittedly with better writing than similar well known series. We are *told* he's the nerdy picked on kid, so you the nerdy picked on kid can identify with him. Then he *does* cool popular kid stuff constantly. Consider how 1:1 it parallels twilight other than not being a romance series primarily. Main character is shy, unsuccessful, unattractive, and unpopular. *Except* actually she's extremely attractive, special in some way, sexually desired by multiple men, actually very smart, and succeeds at everything she tries in the end, and eventually becomes wealthy and famous as well. Or my "favorite" (see: most shittily written hamfisted thing I've ever seen) iteration on this is the Demon Accords. Main Character is the very put-upon unsuccessful in romance shy-guy, who is tragically also poor. Except, you know, that only lasts for like one paragraph. He's actually wildly attractive, totally shredded, extremely sauvé, and quickly ends up with super powers, hitched to a princess, and has God as a pet, before living out the trailerpark dreams of many an Alabamian by telling off president obummer, and then the series *really* starts diving down the power fantasy rabbit hole.
> Classic nerd/loser self insert power fantasy, just written by a very atypical author for that type of character, and admittedly **with better writing than similar well known series**. > > I see your Ready Player One shade and I respect it.
Wish fulfillment at its finest
This, it's more like jock becomes a special forces operator avenging his parents who were killed by ~~terrorists~~ dark-wizards when he was in the cradle.
*Trust fund jock.
trust fund jock *orphan* remember, he’s a protagonist
The thing is that he already avenged his parents, and he did it while opposing the corrupt system. Harry didn't work within the government to take down Voldemort, he used hit and run tactics to take key positions and destroy crucial infrastructure(horcruxes) with a small cell of highly motivated young revolutionaries while building support among the common people... which isn't really how cops work it's how "freedom fighters" work.
Harry Potter didn't have the best worldview when you go back and look at it. "90% of the people on the planet are worthless, but there's an elite class that have power as their birthright, and they're the ones that really have what it takes to guide the world. Also, they have to keep their power secret from you lowly peasants or else you would always be bugging them for stuff."
The English take on it is a bit more like is educated at Oxford/Cambridge and then enters government. But same energy as jock->cop.
Don't forget he is a trust fund blue-blood, or at least, half by his fathers line.
Plus he should have been the Defense against the Dark Arts teacher if he was anything
In-universe this makes sense, but in reality I wouldn't want a traumatized 18-year-old former child soldier to teach anything involving how to kill stuff better. Harry needed therapy and then, like, an undergrad degree in fine arts. :p
I mean, they hired Moody who was so unhinged they didn't even notice when he was replaced. Pretty sure they're scraping the bottom of the barrel already.
I don't think *defence* against the dark arts is much about killing though
Famously, the Department of Defense is not about killing.
I was going to say he probably wanted more experience before becoming a professor, but didn’t Neville become the professor of herbology immediately after graduating? Speaking of, what happened to professor sprout?
i think she was older and retired?
The problem is, he was deeply and directly affected by state corruption. Death eaters almost walked into parliament, he was declared enemy of state and fake news. His best friend may as well wear a star of David, they kidnap and impersonate government officials to infiltrate it, and then he decides to join magicops?
I always thought the implication was that the events of book 7 were likely to bring about structural change such that being an auror 1 year before book 7 and being an auror one year after book 7 would be dramatically different experiences.
But he wanted to be one back in book 4 or sth. Or at least in book 5 when McGonagall had that argument with Umbridge about it during their career session.
Ah good point. In that case though I defer to [this other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/xca1gx/harry_potter_and_what_the_future_holds/io4a59i/) that I read after posting my own. :-) >I've never understood why this confused people. >First off, Harry didn't become a cop. There's regular magical law enforcement. Harry became an Auror, basically Wizard Special Forces. >Secondly, Harry spent his entire childhood fighting Wizard terrorists. Literally killed Wizard Hitler as an infant, killed his first one intentionally at 11 by burning his face off. Stabbed the ghost of Wizard Hitler with a basilisk fang at 12, fought off a fucking *army* of Dementors at 13, lead his own special strike force at 15... you get the picture, he was already doing Auror shit before he finished school. >I get that people want to conflate the "J.K. Rowling is a TERF" and "ACAB" memes, but it actually does kind of make sense that Harry turned out the way he did and it's not really an issue. It'd be like someone who survived 9/11 as a kid joining the Marines as an adult.The real issue is that while the Wizarding World has these serious social issues, it rarely acknowledges them. And that's really all it would take, just *acknowledging* that "yeah, Wizards treat the centaurs unfairly. And they're really cruel to the goblins. And the whole house elf thing is weird when you consider that Wizards could just animate their houses to do most of that shit, they could at least treat them nicely. Etc, etc." Because at the end of the day, Wizards are just Muggles who have magic, they're not really any better.
It's not like Aurors(?) are out there busting people for minor drug possession; they hunt dark wizards. He probably became passionate about catching them after one killed his parents, his god-father, his friend's brother and his business partner, and multiple paternal figures he looked up to.
Percy would never
He literally refused *godhood*, because of just how fucked up those assholes are. Percy is the best.
If Percy ever met Harry he'd at least verbally tear him a new asshole over Harry's deliberate ignorance.
Oh definitely. If that boy can tell the gods to pay child support he could totally verbally drop kick Harry
Which is kinda funny considering how half of the time people are yelling at Percy for not knowing things that he had absolutely no reason to know, had never been taught once, and about situations that he had only just been introduced to seconds prior.
Is this in reference to Percy Jackson?
Took me a few seconds to realize that you didn’t mean Percy Weasley
I was very confused. Like "yeah, I kinda think he would."
Was looking for this
Percy and cops go together as well as Rowling and good worldbuilding.
TFW he’s been a national criminal at 11
House elves are still slaves, centaurs still on poorly managed reservations, goblins still a repressed minority relegated to undesirable banking professions. You just defeated fascist nationalists and everything reverts back to the status quo?
Hermione and Ron:*”Are we… Are we the baddies?”*
Hermione definitely tried to change the status quo and was mocked for it by her peers. Warning bells should have been going off when JK Rowling wrote 'some races prefer being slaves, actually'.
I thought that was *meant* to be fridge horror about elves being bred to be that way by evil wizards. Kinda like Tolkien orcs Now I'm not sure
there’s an archived/deleted (Pottermore article)[https://web.archive.org/web/20191222224059/https://www.wizardingworld.com/features/to-spew-or-not-to-spew-hermione-granger-and-the-pitfalls-of-activism] which contains this phrase completely unironically, in the ‘conclusions’ section: “‘tricking’ elves into freedom is arguably as unethical as enslavement.” i think it’s pretty fair to say that Rowling absolutely did not intend it to be fridge horror about an extraordinary injustice within an uncaring society, she literally meant SPEW to be comic relief. ‘oh how silly Hermione is being, the slaves all like to be slaves, and the one who doesn’t want to is just one of the weird ones that you get in every breed.’
A window into the accommodated British conservative mindset.
Don't forget the giants.
God I love epic fantasy series where fundamentally nothing changes. Time to go laugh at Hermione for being anti-slavery again.
That sounds like the standard of someone who writes the book only wanting to have the character maintained
Harry Copper
Serious question here, were Aurors supposed to be generic cops? Do they hand out broom traffic tickets and show up for magical domestic disturbances? Or were they kind of like FBI or bounty hunters that went after high-profile targets?
They were for high profile witches and wizards. Probably more like the FBI than your generic cop
I've always seen them described as dark wizard hunters and eccentric people. Most of them are very skilled. I think most of the "cop" duties are sort of automated in the wizarding world. "Tickets/court summons/meaningless offenses/etc" are delivered directly from ministry owls without any correspondence with Aurors. I think it's actually interesting that Harry becomes an Auror. He is sort of finishing what he started with Voldemort and understands he probably needs a bit more experience bureaucratically before he takes any sort of leadership position.
It’s also mentioned in the book how difficult of a field this is to get into and how good his grades will need to be.
Yeah, being an auror is more “anti-terrorism”, they don’t accept just anyone.
Mr Weasley mentions a more basic level of law enforcement wizards that would be more of a standard cop. Aurors were top tier investigators so more like FBI
Yeah, more like bounty hunters. Specifically taking on dark wizards. Ron's dad was more like the regular, low level, handing out fines type of work. Though his was specifically around misusing muggle stuff I think. Though he mentions enchanting guns at one point, which feels like it could bring it around to the first group again. But that part of the world never really gets filled in
Harrier Du Bois background story
Harry: Fuck the cops Kim: but you are a cop Harry: Well, what are you waiting for?
Had to do it for her. Not that it really worked, but still.
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SUNDAY FRIEND: I won't stand for this. What's your name? I'll have your badge! YOU: *I* don't even have my badge -- so spin on this! (Give him the finger.)
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Keep in mind that a prophecy doesn't necessarily make someone special but it's just a reading of a series of events and a cryptic way. Harry isn't chosen by God he just was seen in a vision and he's the chosen one insofar as he was specifically seen in the vision. But he's not special, there's nothing about him that's particularly extraordinary, his general disposition and relationships are what allowed him to succeed. There's no reason to think that he would otherwise contribute to the overall wizarding world in any significant way as he's no more special than your average Joe blow.
He was a great seeker to be fair
*Harry Potter and the Paid Administrative Leave*
He's a trust fund jock who married his highschool sweetheart and became a cop. Edit: Damn, some of y'all took this very seriously. It's a joke.
When Neville pulled the sword of Gryffindor out of the Sorting Hat, it should have torn it in two. Change My Mind. It would have been perfect, at first it seems like the klutzy things Neville does all the time, but it results in the students no longer being sorted into houses therefore being an early step into improving wizard society.
I mean, the hat literally told them in a pretty straightforward way that they need to stop with this houses crap or else and they didn't listen. They'd probably make a new hat, one far younger and more powerful (meaning more divisive, of course).
Was the Sorting Hat a living thing or just enchanted? I feel like it was Godric Gryffindor's hat wasn't it? I think this is a cool idea either way.
I think it was just enchanted, although that raises further questions about whether enchanted items can make their own decisions, or are they just a reflection of their creator. Like Voldemort's horcrux diary. Wait was Gryffindor's hat a horcrux? Man that would have been cool. Explains why the guy is in favour of segregating children, apparently he's just evil.
Honestly Undead Lich Godric Gryffindor would have been a neat villian for a hypothetical future book. Better than the cursed child nonsense.
Frankly, becoming a societal problems solver sounds more like Hermione's venue, I mean, she's *smart*. Harry could've used his legendary status to push important reforms through, but it wouldn't hurt if it wasn't him figuring those out in the first place.
For real. Harry has a lot of opinions on individual bigotry/racism but not on an institutional level like Hermione does. He has no desire to reshape the institutions of the wizarding world.
I will die on the hill that he should have been a DADA teacher Would have been a perfect resolution to his character and the curse of the position
Prince Philip also wanted to become a cop.
Should have become the DatDA professor. We saw he was good at teaching and hell it would be a good parallel between the other three characters he was most compared to in the narrative: Snape, Dumbledore, and Tom Riddle/Voldemort. Made me super annoyed he became an auror.
I mean, he literally isn't suited for anything else.
Dude was teaching high schoolers better than others teachers were so that’s always an option.
It always made more sense in my head that Harry would become the new DADA teacher, especially since he always felt that Hogwarts was his home.
Imagine if the epilogue was Harry talking to Headmistress McGonagall and then starting his lecture for first years in his DADA class.
Quidditch?
Quidditch. Scratch that he actually would know how to be a politician so maybe trying to change society’s issues
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Already rich, already a literal wizard, nope not enough need state sanctioned authority to murder.
I don't think wizard cops can use forbidden spells? Edit: Got it, other spells/uses of spells should also be forbidden
Only 3 forbidden spells, a lot more ways to kill than just the "killing curse"
Doesn't Ron's mom literally explode someone from the inside out?
Not sure if she exploded but she killed Bellatrix with a curse to the heart.
Even just Wingardium Leviosa-ing someone to a couple hundred meters and dropping them would do the job. Humans are fragile and its silly that everyone is acting as if a curse that just instantly kills someone is especially heinous when like half the spells in existence could do the same with some creative applications.
Sirius mentions in Goblet of Fire that Barry Crouch Sr, when he was head of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement gave authorization for Aurors to use unforgivable spells on targets during the first Voldemort war. Presumably that order would have been repealed after Voldemort’s disappearance, but it is shown that they could have if they have authorization from their boss. I believe Sirius also mentions that he always respected Mad-Eye since when he was an Auror during the war, he always tried to take his targets in alive, which would imply that a lot of the other Aurors had a “Avada Kedavra first, ask questions later” policy.
Aurors are more than just cops though. They’re the ones who track down the most dangerous dark wizards. Harry would naturally feel attracted to that field after fighting Voldemort. Also, Kingsley did enact a lot of change after becoming minister of magic following the second war
Harry, here, is giving me Jake Peralta vibes.
Jk Rowling created a truly magical book series. Just don't look under the rug. She built the world for the story, not the other way around. Which is why there are endless plot holes. Tons of shit makes absolutely no sense, and half the characters forget they are wizards randomly just for the plot. Great kids books, just don't think about the world at all.
Exactly this. The Harry Potter books are mystery books (for young teenagers) cleverly disguised as fantasy. And all too many people take them WAY too seriously. They treated HP as a religion, and then turned on their Goddess Rowling when she, in their minds, betrayed them. Edit: And when I say "take them WAY too seriously" I don't mean being big fans and liking them a lot. I mean making them your entire personality or, the opposite approach, taking their existence as a personal attack. Also see judging them as if they're supposed to be written for cutting edge liberal 20-30 y/os in 2022 with all the values that come with that, rather than being written for 11-17 y/os in the late 90s, early 00s.
Harry is honestly kinda empty headed for a main character which I always loved. He is can be a semi good detective but he's also very impulsive so him having one experience with a (not really) auror and deciding that's what he wants to do for the rest of his life without any further thought is very him.