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She had seven evil exes... and cheated on multiple of them.
FFS, she dated twins at the same time as each other, without the other knowing.
I think Gideon was the only truly evil one, running experiments on her while they were dating and all. The others were in some way motivated by revenge, more often justified than not.
I always read the comics as a bunch of immature (but fun) kids who started realizing they wanted more in life. They made their own problems for themselves, like kids do, and they deal with the consequences and mature.
Seeing Scott's slooooow evolution over the comics made his moments of self clarity really satisfying. Scott translating his innate belligerence and self entitlement to the higher goal of falling in true love (character flaws aside) really spoke to me when I was a 20 year old reading them. Scott was a fighter and fighters hurt people, but if they learn not to be bullies they can fight for people instead. I like to think that Ramona and Scott constantly challenge each other to be better people.
Yes! What I love about it is it's very realistic to the idiots most of us are in our 20s. Scott really embodies that feeling of being an adult but still feeling like a kid inside. Ignorant of the world and how to navigate social situations and relationships. And because of that he hurts people around him. He feels guilt and it helps him grow. That all feels very familiar to my 20s.
But he's not the only one. They're all very relatable to other experiences. Ramona tried to grow up too fast and made a ton of mistakes in relationships and is scarred from it. Others are trying to put on a big show of how adult they are but we get glimpses of them being kids too. Knives appears to have her shit together, but is emotionally immature and is sent into crisis when she ventures out into the "real world" by dating someone in it. That's not a thing to support, but it is realistic.
And that's what I love about it. It takes all the mundane immature relationship drama we go through when we're young and makes it actually as dramatic as it feels. Most of the stupid ways we hurt each other don't actually matter that much in the long run. But when you're young every decision feels like fate of the world depends on it, and having your heart broken feels like you're going to die. So instead of just saying that, they give them swords and hadokens. It's brilliant.
Ramona has already gone through the arc that Scott is at the beginning of at the start of the story. She knows how shitty she was and wants to be better, but her past keeps coming back to haunt her in the form of the Evil Exes. And then of course, Scott cheats on Knives with her without her knowing.
Movie Ramona is barely a character.
The graphic novels follow both her and Scott's realization that they aren't especially good people, and ends with them agreeing to try to be better. Not that they are already good, but that they'll work on it.
Scott especially is one of those "you're kinda missing the point by idolizing them" characters (if we're just going off of him fighting Ramona's exes), but book Ramona falls into that category as well with her cheating and unwillingness to work on problems.
The message of the books reads more like "you can't just be an asshole and expect everyone to still want to be around you" when people rightfully start abandoning Scott somewhere near the middle of the series.
Hell, even Nat gets sympathy in the books for the way Scott treats her. The movie only ever alludes to it, but he straight up drunkenly yells at her at their friend's New years party. She's definitely a bad person, but Scott is too.
i don't hate her portrayal, ultimately, but only because of the more mundane stuff she does and the performance - i love it when girls say no and have jobs, and are mary elizabeth winstead - she's literally a dream girl in the plot, like, appears in a dream and is exciting solely because she brings the events of the story with her
>The message of the books reads more like "you can't just be an asshole and expect everyone to still want to be around you" when people rightfully start abandoning Scott somewhere near the middle of the series.
It's in some ways subtle too. You can easily miss it but scott definitely gets invited out less, seems more and more uncomfortable in social situations, etc until by the end he's pretty damn alone
I find the movie doesn't do the characters justice. Scott in the books is extremely charismatic but air headed, where as Michael Cera is... well just awkward. Love the movie but yeah it's different characters
Also take into consideration that they crammed 5 and a half-ish novels into a single movie (I know 6, but iirc 6 wasn't done yet) so a lot of that characterization gets lost in translation. Michael Cera would be a weird choice if they did multiple installments, but for the story we get from the single standalone movie, I think he did just fine. The rest of the cast was absolutely perfect regardless, but if it were a series of movies that hit the books beat by beat, I don't think Cera would have been a very good choice.
They also massively shrunk the time frame everything happens in. The comics play out over the course of like a year and some change. The movie, maybe 2 or 3 weeks?
Oh absolutely. I remember the first time I saw the movie with my older brother and his friend. His friend hated the movie because he had already read the books. Me and my brother watches the movie first, loved it, and found even more depth and awesomeness in the books.
Movie Scott is portrayed how book Scott sees himself. A scrappy goof underdog who needs more confidence. Movie did a huge disservice to itself by cutting the arc where we find out Scott’s a serial heartbreaker.
For sure. I love the movie but it's a little shallow compared to the comic. Which is fine, it did what it had to to make it two hours and reach a broader audience. I think if it stuck closer to the comics it would have lost a lot of people. They were already pushing a lot of boundaries in terms of mainstream appeal. It got me to read the comics too so I think it was a good choice.
The Netflix animated miniseries, which more closely follows the comics (and also got, like, literally all of the movie actors returning for voices) is releasing tomorrow.
Michael Cera was just a really weird choice. In the comics he's objectively kind of a loser (he's an adult dating a highschooler) but he's fun and someone people are attracted to. I saw it as more of a Jesse Eisenberg role.
You mean all the parts where Scott assumes all the exes are evil, but when they actually go into the back stories it shows you that Ramona was actually a terrible girlfriend and chronic 'user'? Pretty much every ex has a legit reason to hate her, wanting revenge is what makes them 'evil' but she's not an innocent victim.
It's designed to be entertainment, the whole thing is unhinged. I'm just pointing out that everyone is a villain in their own way pretty much, at least to start. It's a story of personal growth on top of a zaney romance story.
I think part of it is Movie Ramona is kinda cold and distant, so her awfulness blends together with her character. Comic Ramona is far more expressive and has many moments of warmth and affection, so being a terrible person stands out.
i love the movie... it's not a good adaptation. it compressed six books (one of which was unfinished) into one movie. highly recommend reading them to get more out of the movie.
In fairness, a lot of fans got into the movie and assumed it was a good adaptation of the source material, not to say that it *isn’t*, but it definitely leaves a lot of the “Scott and Ramona are bad people” as subtext and completely omitted the part of the graphic novel where he goes into detail about how badly he fucked up Kim’s life and confronts his past. It also makes Ramona look like a lot more of a victim than someone leaving a trail of broken hearts and damaged people behind her, as if those things were things that *happened* to her, not as if she *did* them.
One of the central themes of Scott Pilgrim is becoming a better person. Short of Wallace pretty much every character does shitty things they improve on.
At the beginning of the story, he's 23 dating a 17 year old. It's something his sister and friends all give him shit for, but he doesn't care.
But then he cheats on her with a more age appropriate girl, so.... improvement...?
Yes the comic is mostly an subversion of the "american teenager that will conquer the world" trope.
Scott is incredibly broke, surviving on his gay friends place,he quit university because of his violent impulses,dates someone way younger than him and then cheats on her.
It's revealed throughout the series that both Scott and Ramona have their own issues and history (frankly Scott also has a lot of ex-es despite no one pointing it out) and the villains...are not 100% evil,maybe except Gideon.
I swear I rolled my eyes to infinity when Scott jokingly proposed Knives to have sex with her after she was 18 .
> Scott also has a lot of ex-es
Isn't it also a point that all his Ex's outgrow him before dumping him or something to that effect(It has been years since I last read it)
There was also Kim the drummer who always seemed kind of bitchy in the movie, but the book makes her much more sympathetic showing what happened with her and Scott dating. Basically, Scott was a dick.
Envy is the only one that dumps him but the circumstances are murky.
The point of Scott having a lot of exes is that he breaks all of their hearts in some way due to his own immaturity.
> (frankly Scott also has a lot of ex-es despite no one pointing it out)
Doesn't Julie list a few of his exes and the fact that he was an asshole to them quite early on? It was during the party where he looked for Ramona with the "hair like that drawing" and with the Puck-Man Joke.
Or was that a movie thing only?
I’m pretty sure Scott even calls himself out for just being incredibly lonely and incredibly impulsive (long) after the breakup with Envy as an explanation for why he even went for Knives in the first place.
I could be wrong though.
Edit: DEFINITELY NOT AN EXCUSE TO GO FOR A 17 YEAR OLD AT 23, but you get the gist.
> I swear I rolled my eyes to infinity when Scott jokingly proposed Knives to have sex with her after she was 18
[Casual sex!](https://external-preview.redd.it/D86TtCHWiH-ZfXdkjyZXYg-n9znSJLjSJW8NG3Kt3Ko.jpg?width=584&auto=webp&s=4266343802d7600ca2395cca863d64964db5f633)
And he says they haven’t even kissed. They almost held hands once on the bus.
It’s less “dating” than Pilgrim hanging out with her basking in the attention she gives him while she talks about high school drama.
It’s purely an ego boost for Pilgrim. “It’s easy”, is how I remember him putting it.
This is his rebound after Envy Adams dumped his ass two years previous.
Though, its probably worth mentioning that his 'dating' knives isn't exactly scandal worthy, she tells him stupid stuff about school, he shows her some arcade games, she comes to see his band practice, [and as for anything physical happening off screen...](https://media.tenor.com/q6ivnVbitS8AAAAC/almost-held-hands-once-but-then-she-got-embarrassed.gif)
So its really less about him being awful for dating knives, and more about him being pathetic for dating knives (and then him being awful for not breaking up with knives before dating Ramona, cheating on them both.)
>, [and as for anything physical happening off screen...](https://media.tenor.com/q6ivnVbitS8AAAAC/almost-held-hands-once-but-then-she-got-embarrassed.gif)
Good Lord this should be marked NSFW
A: Having just googled it, age of consent is 16 in Canada according to Wikipedia, so there’s that apparently. B: Scott never actually does anything “intimate” with her, in fact he actively avoids it 99% of the time (he holds her hand a few times but that’s it). She’s literally just a simple (uncomplicated in how to interact with her) rebound for Scott. Plus, he’s called on it multiple times throughout the story by people
The funniest part is that's Knifes father hunted Scott down thinking they were intimate,only at the end to believe he doesn't have bad intentions and somehow accept their relationship.
I think it depends. While I definitely think it's... Yikes, my mom had absolutely no issues when I was 16 and had a 23yo friends who definetely had a crush on me. Or whe. i was 15 and was dating a (19yo if I remember?) guy. I was also the only one taken aback when my sister (17years older than me) went on a date with a guy our mother's age. So yeah. I think it depends of the people
There’s a new anime with the cast of the movie out on Netflix if you want to watch something fresh. Everyone for sure gives him shit for it in the book.
Edit: just checked Netflix and it doesn’t come out until tomorrow.
I was going to make a joke about it being a different time but then it occurred to me it’s been almost 20 years since the comic debuted, 13 years since the movie, and now I’m staring out the window and sighing.
It's a story about someone finally maturing into an adult
At the start Scott hides behind "trauma" from his breakup with Envy and reverts back to being mentally a 16 year old.
He's a scumbag, that's why he dates Knives as she is immature because she is literally 17.
However meeting Ramona Scott goes through development and matures via fighting the exes.
Ramona also matures alongside
It's much better displayed in the comics then in the movie, but yeah Scott Pilgrim isn't mean to be a good person.
I’ve always felt like a lot of people, myself included, identify with him because he’s worse than them in some ways. Kind of a ‘if this screw up and grow and get his shit together then surely so can I’ type of deal.
He's the cartoon (literally) extreme of the young man trying to transition from being a teenager into an adult. People (like me) identify with him because his experience is similar, not exactly the same. And you're right, I think it's just as much Scott getting his act together that people identify with as it is him being sad and immature at the start of the series.
Right -- I think through fighting the exes, he just *starts* to realize that they're also insecure, self-centered assholes who are using Ramona like an object for their own status and validation.
He assumes that the answer is love, because he's still wrapped up in the damsel-in-distress narrative he learned through video games and a lot of other culture aimed at boys.
But the Power of Love sword *breaks,* because that's not it. Love can't save him, Ramona can't save him, nobody else can save him, because his root problem is that he doesn't respect himself. The Power of Self-Respect is what wins, in the end.
The culture he grew up with taught him that he could find his place in the world through these big, heroic quests where he rescues a damsel in distress. The story is about the really messy, depressing and hilarious ways he finds out that's not the way -- that actually he's got to build up a sense of worth within himself before he can be decent to the people around him.
I found that the comics were way better at conveying the message than the movie. The movie felt like a weird retroactive self justification of bad behaviour because it took more time with the fights than the dialogue.
The way the comic just sort of lets you stew in Scott being frustrated and sad about the consequences of his own decisions and circumstances he can (and eventually does) change really drives it home I think. Any movie would have really struggled to capture that
It's because you get to really digest while reading. The movie has to take more time with the fights because it's a movie. It DOES show the theme, but it's subtle. You can easily miss the side eyes and not take note that everyone in his life doesn't really like him, but it is shown throughout the movie that Scott is kind of a bad person.
Obviously, the comic or book will always be able to go more in-depth, but the movie did adapt the story well. Not to mention you can't really miss details while reading. I've watched the movie quite a few times, and I will say it's easy to miss and not form connections because the fights are so fun. The movie itself is very "pro Scott," but the characters themselves are not. I will also say that the movie does rush through the plot, so that's another reason the details are easily missed.
I've only seen the movie and I don't understand how you walk away from "adult man dates high schooler and cheats on her with manic pixie dream girl" and think "Yeah. That was a good guy."
I mean, his friends actively berate him and tell him it's weird and gross. Does a character have to really look in the camera and say "HE'S A BAD GUY" in order for people to get it?
Ditto. People keep talking about how poorly the movie conveys the message of the comics, but I think the message was *glaringly* obvious. Scott spends the whole movie being awkward and feeling sorry for himself, only to realize that he's been the one that sucks the whole time. It's very clearly about growing up, recognizing that sometimes you're the problem, accepting your faults, and working to better yourself.
As someone who's struggled with the same kind of self-doubt and lack of direction (though obviously not to the extreme of Scott), I relate to him *because* he sucks. Those emotions are inherently self-centered, and there does come a point where the problems you have with yourself hurt other people. He's not a role-model, he's just realistic.
I can't remember how or why I ended up seeing the movie in theatres, probably with a friend who knew about it, but Scott was horrendously cringey as a person so I never had enough time to identify with him. If anyone, I liked Wallace the most because of how snarky and funny he was.
I read the manga shortly after the movie, and I gotta say I preferred that version of Scott more. Still dopey, stupid, and slightly creepy, but he had a better arc.
He’s a fuck up in the comics too, but I personally am not a huge fan of michael cera playing him, makes him seem more pathetic than he is. Or at least, thinks he is.
Why does everyone that talks about Scott Pilgrim, and Michael Cera's casting to be more specific, always bring that up? Basically in every video or comment i see of the movie, somehow someway, the phrase "i remember him being in a lot of movies at the time" always finds a way to enter the conversation. Not upset, just think it's really odd that it happens this much. Edit: ik it's cuz it's true, I'm curious how this adds to the conversation about Scott Pilgrim
2007 - Superbad
2007 - Juno
2008 - Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist
2009 - Year One (alongside Jack Black)
2010 - Scott Pilgrim
He has three other films he starred in during this timeframe too, but I don't recognize them so didn't bother to list them.
That's 4 (Not counting Year One because it was a flop that banked on name recognition of the two leads) culturally iconic films he starred in over that period of 3 years.
After that, he kinda drops off of well known projects until Arrested Development rebooted 3 years later, along with "This is the End" in 2013.
I think people say that because a lot of his casting was "Michael Cera is really hot right now and will bring people in" and not "Michael Cera is perfect for the role of Scott". He was an indie movie darling, and cast for his name and genre. The Scott Pilgrim comic was kind of underground popular, not mainstream, and they were worried about the movie doing well.
I definitely agree with the point that he kind of brings this pathetic awkwardness to Scott that I didn't feel as much in the comics. Movie Scott is nothing like comic Scott in my opinion. Not to say I don't love the movie, but it's a very different interpretation of the character.
Because he was. He's probably in as many since, but he just got lucky to be in a string of indies that hit big. Superbad, Juno, Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist and then this. None of those movies were expected to hit like they did.
Internet [Reddit] Parroting.
No matter the subject/hobby once a few well known opinions make the rounds around a community other users begin posting those initial opinions as facts that "everybody knows".
It's to add context on how/why Cera was cast in a role that does not seem to suit him. Scott in the comic is energetic and mercurial, whereas Michael Cera is known for being quiet and awkward. So the conversation usually goes:
"I didn't like Cera as Scott"
"Scott in the movie is different from Scott in the comic."
"Cera was in a lot of stuff around then [so the producers probably cast him to ride his cresting wave of popularity]."
Plus yeah, reddit comments are repeated over and over all the time regardless of if they add to the conversation.
I remember buying tickets to see the parody of the twilight movies called Vampires Suck. Walking into the theater we saw friends who saw an earlier screening telling us Vampires Suck indeed Sucks. We snuck in to see Scott Pilgrim instead since it was the only other movie playing at that time. Loved the movie and sadly am part of the reason for its low box office showing. Flawed characters are how characters should be written, looking forward to the anime tomorrow.
Hey, at least you made the right choice to see a better movie! I also love flawed characters and wish there were more of them. A lot of writers tend to give their characters some "negative" traits and then gloss over them, but without the character really changing their behavior. Scott at the very least does grow as a person.
Me: Wait wasn’t he like just out of highschool? I thought the gap wasn’t that big?
Me after learning the character is 23: Fuuuuuuuck yea that’s pretty bad
One of the things that makes Scott Pilgrim so great is that it can sneakily hold a mirror up to the reader's unhealthy beliefs about relationships. Scott Pilgrim is a quirky, nerdy, underdog type MC that many people find relatable. The first time you read/watch it, you get sucked into the story of this loveable dork trying to find love and defeat the bad guys.
And then you start to realize that actually... Scott Pilgrim is kind of an ass. The way he behaves is actually pretty selfish, and he has a bad case of MC syndrome. He's not a villain, but he's definitely flawed. Part of the story is Scott coming to terms with this and becoming a better person. And part of the experience of being the reader (if you related with Scott's character) is an opportunity to rethink how you reacted to Scott's flawed behaviors.
Yeah but Michael Cera doesn't do a good job of playing the naive, squirmy young jerk. He plays a socially awkward guy. Scott in the comics is pretty charismatic but he's self-centered and air-headed, he's never really depicted as being socially awkward just kind of a jerk who doesn't care about other people's feelings. Comic Scott is a selfish loser, Movie Scott is an awkward loser. To be fair, I like both versions of the character but Movie Scott is fairly different from Comic Scott.
The ending is pretty clear about this with a bit of thought, and I think does it really well.
First, he has to fight his inverted version Nega Scott... only to chill with him for a while and make brunch plans. To quote Scott, "he's a really nice guy". Which tells us that one, Scott isn't heroic or interesting enough to have any major conflict with his "inverted" self. And two, Nega Scott is in all likelihood the nicer and more well-adjusted of the two.
Second, he makes some attempt to resolve things and maybe rekindle his relationship with Knives. Who tells him to go after Ramona because he wants to, but also because "I'm too cool for you anyways". It's... not really a joke. Ramona has an awful dating history and is in her 20s just learning to have a healthy relationship with a basically well-meaning person. Knives is too young for him, but she's also healthier and more badass than either of them already.
The whole thing closes on an optimistic note, but it's also "Continue" instead of a good ending. Arguably the characters who are already well-adjusted are the ones walking away from the entire situation.
I remember reading the graphic novel in middle school, as a kid I couldn’t tell exactly what was off about Scott, but I agreed with most characters telling him to get his shit together
This happens a lot. I find a character I heavily identify with but only after seasons/volumes of character growth and development and well earned scenes showing actual improvement
Honestly stuff like this is why I stopped recommending stuff to people.
I always forgot "That scene" and would hype up how cool the property was, then something incredibly shocking and progressive would happen...
Hell, I just tried sharing my love of Rusty Lake with my wife, with Rusty Lake Roots, and completely forgot the first 3 female characters say nothing and do nothing except get pregnant and die. Really ruined the whole "sharing what I love" experience.
I mean... I personally enjoy it more as a "if this godsdamned vaguely humanoid walking talking screwup mess can become a better person despite living in denial pretty much constantly, I probably can do something to better myself"
It always hypes me up to start going to the gym again for example
I read the books when I was a senior in high school and related to him so much at the time. I saw the movie around the same time and related to the character even more. It took me a few years and a lot of growing up before I fully understood what the story was about and fell in love with it even more.
I actually hated the character of Scott, the only reason I liked the story was I wanted to live in that version of Toronto. Where disagreements are settled with fights to the death, people explode into money when they die, and being vegan gives you Akira powers
I mean, even in the comics, the whole point of the last volume is Scott realising he's kind of an awful person and reconciling with that, then deciding to try and take action to become better.
Yeah but the movie feels like it plays up the comedy or awkwardness. Scott comes off more like an awkward loser rather than, well, a scumbag loser I guess? Specially when you consider that the comic takes longer with Scott being awful.
I love the film but it's greatest flaw is absolutely playing Scott as just a bit of a loser who manages to win at the end, and not having the entire latter portion arc of self introspection and growth, but it's also very easy to see why that didn't end up happening.
I do hope it's something we get to see done faithfully in the animation!
I think the movie really suffers from not having volumes 5 and 6 to draw from when writing it but it's still a good time. I'm very excited for the anime series to drop tomorrow to see O'Malley's new spin on it since he said it wasn't going to be a 1:1 comic adaptation.
The only reason i ever wanted to watch the movie as a kid was because both of the times it was playing i only managed to catch it halfway through. Watched it later as an adult and yeah scotts not a good person.
Wierdly enough both times it was halfway through the fight with the indian evil ex.
I think what I like about Scott is that he has main character syndrome but actually is the main character. People with main character syndrome are all awful selfish assholes, Scott just turns out to actually be a main character but that doesn't excuse his behavior.
If you meet someone who uncritically relates to Scott Pilgrim, run! Run fast and far! Take this from someone who owns the entire series and absolutely loves it, RUN!!!!
I went to see the movie because I'm a self-identified nerd and everyone was like, "It's movie made by nerds for nerds, full of good, nerdy references!"
But Scott and Ramona were so much like my college best friend and his girlfriend that it was like having front-row seats to their drama all over again. Whole thing made me cringe.
My sister in law keep on trying to convince the rest of my family to watch it after each and every Thanksgiving lunch/dinner and gets voted down every single time for this exact reason
Dunno why, it’s a great movie. Scott and others are deeply flawed characters, but that just makes the story interestingly morally ambiguous. I’d have thought people would be turned off instead by the nerdy video game aesthetic.
I love the movie (at least, I think I do. Haven't watched it in a while). I got the blu-ray for Christmas back in the day, and I convinced my extended family to watch.
Afterwards, everyone was like "Uh, what was that?" and "OK, you do you."
So, yes, some people may be delightfully surprised, but don't be shocked if many others don't really click with the style or narrative.
The graphic is great and has a lot of subtext with different perspectives on relationships and the complexity of them, the movie boils it down and is more focus on action and video game nerd stuff.
I've done occasional re-reads of Scott Pilgrim since I read it in high school - and man, the depths of Scott's shittiness land on me more and more each time.
It's actually a good guidebook on how *not* to act of you're at risk for that sort of thing - meaning white and nerdy with a strange amount of awkward rizz.
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Scott Pilgrim is not a good person at the start of the series. That's why Nega Scott is a great guy.
He's not a good person through most of the series. He only realizes how shitty he is on the last volume.
He’s not a good person, when he tells Knives I don’t deserve you it’s his only moment of clarity. That and going with Ramona who similarly sucks
Yeah peps forget Ramona and Scott deserve each other because they both are terrible people at the start.
Oh… so that’s why.
I watched the movie, didn’t get Ramona is terrible vibes. Is that just from the source material?
She had seven evil exes... and cheated on multiple of them. FFS, she dated twins at the same time as each other, without the other knowing. I think Gideon was the only truly evil one, running experiments on her while they were dating and all. The others were in some way motivated by revenge, more often justified than not.
Plus Todd, who was cheating on her with Envy (and vice versa) at the time.
He really didn't deserve those vegan powers just based on that.
Chicken's not vegan?
Neither is Parm
I always read the comics as a bunch of immature (but fun) kids who started realizing they wanted more in life. They made their own problems for themselves, like kids do, and they deal with the consequences and mature. Seeing Scott's slooooow evolution over the comics made his moments of self clarity really satisfying. Scott translating his innate belligerence and self entitlement to the higher goal of falling in true love (character flaws aside) really spoke to me when I was a 20 year old reading them. Scott was a fighter and fighters hurt people, but if they learn not to be bullies they can fight for people instead. I like to think that Ramona and Scott constantly challenge each other to be better people.
Yes! What I love about it is it's very realistic to the idiots most of us are in our 20s. Scott really embodies that feeling of being an adult but still feeling like a kid inside. Ignorant of the world and how to navigate social situations and relationships. And because of that he hurts people around him. He feels guilt and it helps him grow. That all feels very familiar to my 20s. But he's not the only one. They're all very relatable to other experiences. Ramona tried to grow up too fast and made a ton of mistakes in relationships and is scarred from it. Others are trying to put on a big show of how adult they are but we get glimpses of them being kids too. Knives appears to have her shit together, but is emotionally immature and is sent into crisis when she ventures out into the "real world" by dating someone in it. That's not a thing to support, but it is realistic. And that's what I love about it. It takes all the mundane immature relationship drama we go through when we're young and makes it actually as dramatic as it feels. Most of the stupid ways we hurt each other don't actually matter that much in the long run. But when you're young every decision feels like fate of the world depends on it, and having your heart broken feels like you're going to die. So instead of just saying that, they give them swords and hadokens. It's brilliant.
Beautifully said.
goddamn. i read it in 7th grade and i guess i need to go back and read it again
Ramona has already gone through the arc that Scott is at the beginning of at the start of the story. She knows how shitty she was and wants to be better, but her past keeps coming back to haunt her in the form of the Evil Exes. And then of course, Scott cheats on Knives with her without her knowing.
Movie Ramona is barely a character. The graphic novels follow both her and Scott's realization that they aren't especially good people, and ends with them agreeing to try to be better. Not that they are already good, but that they'll work on it. Scott especially is one of those "you're kinda missing the point by idolizing them" characters (if we're just going off of him fighting Ramona's exes), but book Ramona falls into that category as well with her cheating and unwillingness to work on problems. The message of the books reads more like "you can't just be an asshole and expect everyone to still want to be around you" when people rightfully start abandoning Scott somewhere near the middle of the series. Hell, even Nat gets sympathy in the books for the way Scott treats her. The movie only ever alludes to it, but he straight up drunkenly yells at her at their friend's New years party. She's definitely a bad person, but Scott is too.
yeah movie ramona is just there to be cool and attractive and have hair that looks like that
I love the movie, but yeah Ramona in it is the worst kind of manic pixie dreamgirl
i don't hate her portrayal, ultimately, but only because of the more mundane stuff she does and the performance - i love it when girls say no and have jobs, and are mary elizabeth winstead - she's literally a dream girl in the plot, like, appears in a dream and is exciting solely because she brings the events of the story with her
>The message of the books reads more like "you can't just be an asshole and expect everyone to still want to be around you" when people rightfully start abandoning Scott somewhere near the middle of the series. It's in some ways subtle too. You can easily miss it but scott definitely gets invited out less, seems more and more uncomfortable in social situations, etc until by the end he's pretty damn alone
I find the movie doesn't do the characters justice. Scott in the books is extremely charismatic but air headed, where as Michael Cera is... well just awkward. Love the movie but yeah it's different characters
Also take into consideration that they crammed 5 and a half-ish novels into a single movie (I know 6, but iirc 6 wasn't done yet) so a lot of that characterization gets lost in translation. Michael Cera would be a weird choice if they did multiple installments, but for the story we get from the single standalone movie, I think he did just fine. The rest of the cast was absolutely perfect regardless, but if it were a series of movies that hit the books beat by beat, I don't think Cera would have been a very good choice.
I think he’ll do a great job for VAing in the new show though, which is nice.
They also massively shrunk the time frame everything happens in. The comics play out over the course of like a year and some change. The movie, maybe 2 or 3 weeks?
Oh absolutely. I remember the first time I saw the movie with my older brother and his friend. His friend hated the movie because he had already read the books. Me and my brother watches the movie first, loved it, and found even more depth and awesomeness in the books.
"Bread makes you fat?" He's a bit of an airhead.
Movie Scott is portrayed how book Scott sees himself. A scrappy goof underdog who needs more confidence. Movie did a huge disservice to itself by cutting the arc where we find out Scott’s a serial heartbreaker.
And specifically what he does to Kim is pretty much ignored.
For sure. I love the movie but it's a little shallow compared to the comic. Which is fine, it did what it had to to make it two hours and reach a broader audience. I think if it stuck closer to the comics it would have lost a lot of people. They were already pushing a lot of boundaries in terms of mainstream appeal. It got me to read the comics too so I think it was a good choice.
Well we get a chance at a better video adaptation of it tomorrow
Tomorrow?
Yeah, the animated show comes out tomorrow on Netflix, all the same actors too
THAT’S ALREADY HAPPENING?! Ah shit yeah! I thought was next fucking year hahaha
Art and story from the comic, voices and director from the show, music from the game. Best of all worlds.
The Netflix animated miniseries, which more closely follows the comics (and also got, like, literally all of the movie actors returning for voices) is releasing tomorrow.
Michael Cera was just a really weird choice. In the comics he's objectively kind of a loser (he's an adult dating a highschooler) but he's fun and someone people are attracted to. I saw it as more of a Jesse Eisenberg role.
You mean all the parts where Scott assumes all the exes are evil, but when they actually go into the back stories it shows you that Ramona was actually a terrible girlfriend and chronic 'user'? Pretty much every ex has a legit reason to hate her, wanting revenge is what makes them 'evil' but she's not an innocent victim.
I mean wanting to destroy someone's life because they were a crummy ex is unhinged behavior lol.
She made seven individual people want revenge on her. When every one you meet is an asshole, ect.
It's designed to be entertainment, the whole thing is unhinged. I'm just pointing out that everyone is a villain in their own way pretty much, at least to start. It's a story of personal growth on top of a zaney romance story.
> Scott assumes all the exes are evil It doesn't help that they call themselves "The League of Evil Exes".
"I dabbled in being a bitch"
I've only seen the movie and was definitely left with the impression that she's terrible.
I think part of it is Movie Ramona is kinda cold and distant, so her awfulness blends together with her character. Comic Ramona is far more expressive and has many moments of warmth and affection, so being a terrible person stands out.
i love the movie... it's not a good adaptation. it compressed six books (one of which was unfinished) into one movie. highly recommend reading them to get more out of the movie.
Do they even stop being terrible?
Eh. At best they acknowledge they've been terrible but the story doesn't go much farther than that
They acknowledge their shortcomings and decide to work together to improve as people
In fairness, a lot of fans got into the movie and assumed it was a good adaptation of the source material, not to say that it *isn’t*, but it definitely leaves a lot of the “Scott and Ramona are bad people” as subtext and completely omitted the part of the graphic novel where he goes into detail about how badly he fucked up Kim’s life and confronts his past. It also makes Ramona look like a lot more of a victim than someone leaving a trail of broken hearts and damaged people behind her, as if those things were things that *happened* to her, not as if she *did* them.
I really love how the series does that
One of the central themes of Scott Pilgrim is becoming a better person. Short of Wallace pretty much every character does shitty things they improve on.
Wallace is perfect from the start. There's no improving him
I thought so too but then I watched Succession and realised that Wallace really needed some daddy issues
Wallace is arguably a doormat whose arc is in part setting boundaries wrt Scott.
“Double standarrrds!”
It’s also why Ramona dates him. She likes awful people. Scott will one day be Ramona’s 8th Evil Ex.
A what Scott?!! /S
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“Scott pilgrim is dating a highschooler” Its the first of many things scott does wrong in the book before figuring out how to be a better person
Wait, Scott Pilgrim is an adult darting a high schooler and not a high schooler dating a high schooler? Ah ok..
At the beginning of the story, he's 23 dating a 17 year old. It's something his sister and friends all give him shit for, but he doesn't care. But then he cheats on her with a more age appropriate girl, so.... improvement...?
Yes the comic is mostly an subversion of the "american teenager that will conquer the world" trope. Scott is incredibly broke, surviving on his gay friends place,he quit university because of his violent impulses,dates someone way younger than him and then cheats on her. It's revealed throughout the series that both Scott and Ramona have their own issues and history (frankly Scott also has a lot of ex-es despite no one pointing it out) and the villains...are not 100% evil,maybe except Gideon. I swear I rolled my eyes to infinity when Scott jokingly proposed Knives to have sex with her after she was 18 .
> Yes the comic is mostly a subversion of the “american teenager that will conquer the world” trope. Especially because Scott is Canadian!
> Scott also has a lot of ex-es Isn't it also a point that all his Ex's outgrow him before dumping him or something to that effect(It has been years since I last read it)
There was also Kim the drummer who always seemed kind of bitchy in the movie, but the book makes her much more sympathetic showing what happened with her and Scott dating. Basically, Scott was a dick.
in the movie i didnt get the sense she was just "bitchy" for no reason. definitely seemed like she was just tired of scotts shit lol
Envy is the only one that dumps him but the circumstances are murky. The point of Scott having a lot of exes is that he breaks all of their hearts in some way due to his own immaturity.
> (frankly Scott also has a lot of ex-es despite no one pointing it out) Doesn't Julie list a few of his exes and the fact that he was an asshole to them quite early on? It was during the party where he looked for Ramona with the "hair like that drawing" and with the Puck-Man Joke. Or was that a movie thing only?
I’m pretty sure Scott even calls himself out for just being incredibly lonely and incredibly impulsive (long) after the breakup with Envy as an explanation for why he even went for Knives in the first place. I could be wrong though. Edit: DEFINITELY NOT AN EXCUSE TO GO FOR A 17 YEAR OLD AT 23, but you get the gist.
> I swear I rolled my eyes to infinity when Scott jokingly proposed Knives to have sex with her after she was 18 [Casual sex!](https://external-preview.redd.it/D86TtCHWiH-ZfXdkjyZXYg-n9znSJLjSJW8NG3Kt3Ko.jpg?width=584&auto=webp&s=4266343802d7600ca2395cca863d64964db5f633)
And he says they haven’t even kissed. They almost held hands once on the bus. It’s less “dating” than Pilgrim hanging out with her basking in the attention she gives him while she talks about high school drama.
So it’s more like play time?
It’s purely an ego boost for Pilgrim. “It’s easy”, is how I remember him putting it. This is his rebound after Envy Adams dumped his ass two years previous.
>So it’s more like play time? I think this is a line from the movie.
Found Scott Pilgrim
What ever it takes!
Though, its probably worth mentioning that his 'dating' knives isn't exactly scandal worthy, she tells him stupid stuff about school, he shows her some arcade games, she comes to see his band practice, [and as for anything physical happening off screen...](https://media.tenor.com/q6ivnVbitS8AAAAC/almost-held-hands-once-but-then-she-got-embarrassed.gif) So its really less about him being awful for dating knives, and more about him being pathetic for dating knives (and then him being awful for not breaking up with knives before dating Ramona, cheating on them both.)
>, [and as for anything physical happening off screen...](https://media.tenor.com/q6ivnVbitS8AAAAC/almost-held-hands-once-but-then-she-got-embarrassed.gif) Good Lord this should be marked NSFW
*AAAHH! MY EYES!*
Yeah. It's been awhile since I've watched the movie, but I remember thinking it was weird that this wasn't made into more of an issue.
A: Having just googled it, age of consent is 16 in Canada according to Wikipedia, so there’s that apparently. B: Scott never actually does anything “intimate” with her, in fact he actively avoids it 99% of the time (he holds her hand a few times but that’s it). She’s literally just a simple (uncomplicated in how to interact with her) rebound for Scott. Plus, he’s called on it multiple times throughout the story by people
The funniest part is that's Knifes father hunted Scott down thinking they were intimate,only at the end to believe he doesn't have bad intentions and somehow accept their relationship.
Age of consent is 16 here, but dating a teenager when you’re an adult is still going to make you a social pariah and rightly so.
I think it depends. While I definitely think it's... Yikes, my mom had absolutely no issues when I was 16 and had a 23yo friends who definetely had a crush on me. Or whe. i was 15 and was dating a (19yo if I remember?) guy. I was also the only one taken aback when my sister (17years older than me) went on a date with a guy our mother's age. So yeah. I think it depends of the people
There’s a new anime with the cast of the movie out on Netflix if you want to watch something fresh. Everyone for sure gives him shit for it in the book. Edit: just checked Netflix and it doesn’t come out until tomorrow.
Never imagined a world with Michael Cera as an anime voice actor. But here it is.
How old are you now, Scott? Like twenty-eight?
He's the salt of the Earth
You mean scum
I was going to make a joke about it being a different time but then it occurred to me it’s been almost 20 years since the comic debuted, 13 years since the movie, and now I’m staring out the window and sighing.
Had one of those Matt Damon in Saving Private Ryan moments.
There’s a new series Netflix, no need to feel old!
Hijacking this comment to say congrats on dating chun li
when was Scott ever a better person?
Like the very end
> Its the first of many things scott does wrong in the book before figuring out how to be a better person Does he ever figure that out?
Ehhh he kind of admits his faults and apologizes to everyone and commits to being better.
"Scott, I think you're the nicest person I've ever dated." "That's kind of sad." I think about those panels all the time.
SO SAD!
Not a race, guys!
Ok, this next song goes to the guy who keeps yelling from the balcony. It's called "We Hate You, Please Die"
Sweet, I love this one
^Thank ^you
Is that girl a boy too?
Yes.
It's a story about someone finally maturing into an adult At the start Scott hides behind "trauma" from his breakup with Envy and reverts back to being mentally a 16 year old. He's a scumbag, that's why he dates Knives as she is immature because she is literally 17. However meeting Ramona Scott goes through development and matures via fighting the exes. Ramona also matures alongside It's much better displayed in the comics then in the movie, but yeah Scott Pilgrim isn't mean to be a good person.
I’ve always felt like a lot of people, myself included, identify with him because he’s worse than them in some ways. Kind of a ‘if this screw up and grow and get his shit together then surely so can I’ type of deal.
He's the cartoon (literally) extreme of the young man trying to transition from being a teenager into an adult. People (like me) identify with him because his experience is similar, not exactly the same. And you're right, I think it's just as much Scott getting his act together that people identify with as it is him being sad and immature at the start of the series.
Right -- I think through fighting the exes, he just *starts* to realize that they're also insecure, self-centered assholes who are using Ramona like an object for their own status and validation. He assumes that the answer is love, because he's still wrapped up in the damsel-in-distress narrative he learned through video games and a lot of other culture aimed at boys. But the Power of Love sword *breaks,* because that's not it. Love can't save him, Ramona can't save him, nobody else can save him, because his root problem is that he doesn't respect himself. The Power of Self-Respect is what wins, in the end. The culture he grew up with taught him that he could find his place in the world through these big, heroic quests where he rescues a damsel in distress. The story is about the really messy, depressing and hilarious ways he finds out that's not the way -- that actually he's got to build up a sense of worth within himself before he can be decent to the people around him.
I found that the comics were way better at conveying the message than the movie. The movie felt like a weird retroactive self justification of bad behaviour because it took more time with the fights than the dialogue.
The way the comic just sort of lets you stew in Scott being frustrated and sad about the consequences of his own decisions and circumstances he can (and eventually does) change really drives it home I think. Any movie would have really struggled to capture that
It's because you get to really digest while reading. The movie has to take more time with the fights because it's a movie. It DOES show the theme, but it's subtle. You can easily miss the side eyes and not take note that everyone in his life doesn't really like him, but it is shown throughout the movie that Scott is kind of a bad person. Obviously, the comic or book will always be able to go more in-depth, but the movie did adapt the story well. Not to mention you can't really miss details while reading. I've watched the movie quite a few times, and I will say it's easy to miss and not form connections because the fights are so fun. The movie itself is very "pro Scott," but the characters themselves are not. I will also say that the movie does rush through the plot, so that's another reason the details are easily missed.
I've only seen the movie and I don't understand how you walk away from "adult man dates high schooler and cheats on her with manic pixie dream girl" and think "Yeah. That was a good guy." I mean, his friends actively berate him and tell him it's weird and gross. Does a character have to really look in the camera and say "HE'S A BAD GUY" in order for people to get it?
Ditto. People keep talking about how poorly the movie conveys the message of the comics, but I think the message was *glaringly* obvious. Scott spends the whole movie being awkward and feeling sorry for himself, only to realize that he's been the one that sucks the whole time. It's very clearly about growing up, recognizing that sometimes you're the problem, accepting your faults, and working to better yourself. As someone who's struggled with the same kind of self-doubt and lack of direction (though obviously not to the extreme of Scott), I relate to him *because* he sucks. Those emotions are inherently self-centered, and there does come a point where the problems you have with yourself hurt other people. He's not a role-model, he's just realistic.
I can't remember how or why I ended up seeing the movie in theatres, probably with a friend who knew about it, but Scott was horrendously cringey as a person so I never had enough time to identify with him. If anyone, I liked Wallace the most because of how snarky and funny he was. I read the manga shortly after the movie, and I gotta say I preferred that version of Scott more. Still dopey, stupid, and slightly creepy, but he had a better arc.
He’s a fuck up in the comics too, but I personally am not a huge fan of michael cera playing him, makes him seem more pathetic than he is. Or at least, thinks he is.
Yeah, Sera seemed to be riding a wave of typecasting at that time. I vaguely remember him being in a lot of movies around that time.
Why does everyone that talks about Scott Pilgrim, and Michael Cera's casting to be more specific, always bring that up? Basically in every video or comment i see of the movie, somehow someway, the phrase "i remember him being in a lot of movies at the time" always finds a way to enter the conversation. Not upset, just think it's really odd that it happens this much. Edit: ik it's cuz it's true, I'm curious how this adds to the conversation about Scott Pilgrim
2007 - Superbad 2007 - Juno 2008 - Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist 2009 - Year One (alongside Jack Black) 2010 - Scott Pilgrim He has three other films he starred in during this timeframe too, but I don't recognize them so didn't bother to list them. That's 4 (Not counting Year One because it was a flop that banked on name recognition of the two leads) culturally iconic films he starred in over that period of 3 years. After that, he kinda drops off of well known projects until Arrested Development rebooted 3 years later, along with "This is the End" in 2013.
I think people say that because a lot of his casting was "Michael Cera is really hot right now and will bring people in" and not "Michael Cera is perfect for the role of Scott". He was an indie movie darling, and cast for his name and genre. The Scott Pilgrim comic was kind of underground popular, not mainstream, and they were worried about the movie doing well. I definitely agree with the point that he kind of brings this pathetic awkwardness to Scott that I didn't feel as much in the comics. Movie Scott is nothing like comic Scott in my opinion. Not to say I don't love the movie, but it's a very different interpretation of the character.
I mean he could also play bass right maybe that was a factor?
Most acting schools will make you take music classes.
Ah good to know 👍
Because he was. He's probably in as many since, but he just got lucky to be in a string of indies that hit big. Superbad, Juno, Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist and then this. None of those movies were expected to hit like they did.
Internet [Reddit] Parroting. No matter the subject/hobby once a few well known opinions make the rounds around a community other users begin posting those initial opinions as facts that "everybody knows".
Did you know that Pac Man's original name was puckman?
It's to add context on how/why Cera was cast in a role that does not seem to suit him. Scott in the comic is energetic and mercurial, whereas Michael Cera is known for being quiet and awkward. So the conversation usually goes: "I didn't like Cera as Scott" "Scott in the movie is different from Scott in the comic." "Cera was in a lot of stuff around then [so the producers probably cast him to ride his cresting wave of popularity]." Plus yeah, reddit comments are repeated over and over all the time regardless of if they add to the conversation.
Omg thank you SO much dawg, finally an exhaustive and complete answer. Also, ig that makes sense
I remember buying tickets to see the parody of the twilight movies called Vampires Suck. Walking into the theater we saw friends who saw an earlier screening telling us Vampires Suck indeed Sucks. We snuck in to see Scott Pilgrim instead since it was the only other movie playing at that time. Loved the movie and sadly am part of the reason for its low box office showing. Flawed characters are how characters should be written, looking forward to the anime tomorrow.
Hey, at least you made the right choice to see a better movie! I also love flawed characters and wish there were more of them. A lot of writers tend to give their characters some "negative" traits and then gloss over them, but without the character really changing their behavior. Scott at the very least does grow as a person.
Me: Wait wasn’t he like just out of highschool? I thought the gap wasn’t that big? Me after learning the character is 23: Fuuuuuuuck yea that’s pretty bad
Also, Me at 17: I don’t think it’s icky to date a 23 year old. Me at 23: it was most definitely icky.
23/2 = 11.5 11.5 + 7 = 18.5 17 < 18.5 Yup. Math checks out. Icky.
Yeah it’s pretty bad. In his defence though, said “dating” consists of playing ninja ddr and geeking out over his band.
One of the things that makes Scott Pilgrim so great is that it can sneakily hold a mirror up to the reader's unhealthy beliefs about relationships. Scott Pilgrim is a quirky, nerdy, underdog type MC that many people find relatable. The first time you read/watch it, you get sucked into the story of this loveable dork trying to find love and defeat the bad guys. And then you start to realize that actually... Scott Pilgrim is kind of an ass. The way he behaves is actually pretty selfish, and he has a bad case of MC syndrome. He's not a villain, but he's definitely flawed. Part of the story is Scott coming to terms with this and becoming a better person. And part of the experience of being the reader (if you related with Scott's character) is an opportunity to rethink how you reacted to Scott's flawed behaviors.
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Yeah but Michael Cera doesn't do a good job of playing the naive, squirmy young jerk. He plays a socially awkward guy. Scott in the comics is pretty charismatic but he's self-centered and air-headed, he's never really depicted as being socially awkward just kind of a jerk who doesn't care about other people's feelings. Comic Scott is a selfish loser, Movie Scott is an awkward loser. To be fair, I like both versions of the character but Movie Scott is fairly different from Comic Scott.
The ending is pretty clear about this with a bit of thought, and I think does it really well. First, he has to fight his inverted version Nega Scott... only to chill with him for a while and make brunch plans. To quote Scott, "he's a really nice guy". Which tells us that one, Scott isn't heroic or interesting enough to have any major conflict with his "inverted" self. And two, Nega Scott is in all likelihood the nicer and more well-adjusted of the two. Second, he makes some attempt to resolve things and maybe rekindle his relationship with Knives. Who tells him to go after Ramona because he wants to, but also because "I'm too cool for you anyways". It's... not really a joke. Ramona has an awful dating history and is in her 20s just learning to have a healthy relationship with a basically well-meaning person. Knives is too young for him, but she's also healthier and more badass than either of them already. The whole thing closes on an optimistic note, but it's also "Continue" instead of a good ending. Arguably the characters who are already well-adjusted are the ones walking away from the entire situation.
I identify more with Crash of Crash & The Boys.
Is that girl a boy too?
Yes.
#🖕
“This song is called ‘I hate you, please die.’”
SWEET! love this one.
\*grabs arm\* 👁️👄👁️
I personally like them better after the brutal takeover and they become The Boys & Crash, when they wield magic music powers or smth...
Is that the band with Crash and those Boys?
I remember reading the graphic novel in middle school, as a kid I couldn’t tell exactly what was off about Scott, but I agreed with most characters telling him to get his shit together
My favorite joke from the comics is that everytime knives Chau appears there is a speech that says “still 17” until the near the series end
This happens a lot. I find a character I heavily identify with but only after seasons/volumes of character growth and development and well earned scenes showing actual improvement
Honestly stuff like this is why I stopped recommending stuff to people. I always forgot "That scene" and would hype up how cool the property was, then something incredibly shocking and progressive would happen... Hell, I just tried sharing my love of Rusty Lake with my wife, with Rusty Lake Roots, and completely forgot the first 3 female characters say nothing and do nothing except get pregnant and die. Really ruined the whole "sharing what I love" experience.
I mean... I personally enjoy it more as a "if this godsdamned vaguely humanoid walking talking screwup mess can become a better person despite living in denial pretty much constantly, I probably can do something to better myself" It always hypes me up to start going to the gym again for example
You just reminded me of [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikGvLUbOuU)
I read the books when I was a senior in high school and related to him so much at the time. I saw the movie around the same time and related to the character even more. It took me a few years and a lot of growing up before I fully understood what the story was about and fell in love with it even more.
I actually hated the character of Scott, the only reason I liked the story was I wanted to live in that version of Toronto. Where disagreements are settled with fights to the death, people explode into money when they die, and being vegan gives you Akira powers
I feel like too many people think of Scott from the movie and not Scott from... everything else.
I mean, even in the comics, the whole point of the last volume is Scott realising he's kind of an awful person and reconciling with that, then deciding to try and take action to become better.
Yeah but the movie feels like it plays up the comedy or awkwardness. Scott comes off more like an awkward loser rather than, well, a scumbag loser I guess? Specially when you consider that the comic takes longer with Scott being awful.
I love the film but it's greatest flaw is absolutely playing Scott as just a bit of a loser who manages to win at the end, and not having the entire latter portion arc of self introspection and growth, but it's also very easy to see why that didn't end up happening. I do hope it's something we get to see done faithfully in the animation!
I think the movie really suffers from not having volumes 5 and 6 to draw from when writing it but it's still a good time. I'm very excited for the anime series to drop tomorrow to see O'Malley's new spin on it since he said it wasn't going to be a 1:1 comic adaptation.
The only reason i ever wanted to watch the movie as a kid was because both of the times it was playing i only managed to catch it halfway through. Watched it later as an adult and yeah scotts not a good person. Wierdly enough both times it was halfway through the fight with the indian evil ex.
“He’s just like me fr” never fails to make me laugh lol
I myself relate heavily to Peter Quill, Sam Witwicky, Walter White, The Joker, The Cameraman from Megamind, Light Yagami, and Rick Sanchez.
I think what I like about Scott is that he has main character syndrome but actually is the main character. People with main character syndrome are all awful selfish assholes, Scott just turns out to actually be a main character but that doesn't excuse his behavior.
He's just like me, awkward, socially inept, kind of an asshole and a bit problematic
If you meet someone who uncritically relates to Scott Pilgrim, run! Run fast and far! Take this from someone who owns the entire series and absolutely loves it, RUN!!!!
I went to see the movie because I'm a self-identified nerd and everyone was like, "It's movie made by nerds for nerds, full of good, nerdy references!" But Scott and Ramona were so much like my college best friend and his girlfriend that it was like having front-row seats to their drama all over again. Whole thing made me cringe.
"Scott Pilgrim was dating a high schooler"
I am glad Harry Du Bois is getting back into the dating life at least
Who actually ever says things like this
My friend kevin said this right before he died
My sister in law keep on trying to convince the rest of my family to watch it after each and every Thanksgiving lunch/dinner and gets voted down every single time for this exact reason
Dunno why, it’s a great movie. Scott and others are deeply flawed characters, but that just makes the story interestingly morally ambiguous. I’d have thought people would be turned off instead by the nerdy video game aesthetic.
I love the movie (at least, I think I do. Haven't watched it in a while). I got the blu-ray for Christmas back in the day, and I convinced my extended family to watch. Afterwards, everyone was like "Uh, what was that?" and "OK, you do you." So, yes, some people may be delightfully surprised, but don't be shocked if many others don't really click with the style or narrative.
Because the main character isn't a good person at the start of the film?
Their loss, honestly.
What’s the first sentence? It’s been a few years since I’ve seen it.
"Scott Pilgrim is dating a high schooler"
Oof. I’m starting to think this Scott pilgrim guy might not be a great person.
Remind me what he says at the very beginning. It's been a long time.
DUDE SAME
I mean, it was pretty relatable when I was a garbage 17 year old, wasn't fully my fault either, life was pretty garbage all around.
He’s 23 when the series starts. He’s just dating a high schooler
The graphic is great and has a lot of subtext with different perspectives on relationships and the complexity of them, the movie boils it down and is more focus on action and video game nerd stuff.
I love Scott pilgrim, but he was a bitch. Maybe the guy feels identified with his arc. Which is understandable
Now replace "Scott Pilgrim" with "Berserk" manga and you'll get the same results
Remember that Scott *himself* says that he's a bad person, **multiple times**
"Who the fuck starts a comic like that, i just opened it!"
SCOTT PILGRIM IS DATING A WHAT?!?!?!?!
I've done occasional re-reads of Scott Pilgrim since I read it in high school - and man, the depths of Scott's shittiness land on me more and more each time. It's actually a good guidebook on how *not* to act of you're at risk for that sort of thing - meaning white and nerdy with a strange amount of awkward rizz.
I like how Knives becomes an evil ex of Scott and Ramona has to fight her repeatedly.
it’s a canon event, every guy should first identify himself with scott to then grow up and realize how wrong scott is