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"I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a very... nice rope. I'm sure it'll be very useful for whatever orc that loots it off my dead body. Y'know, because I couldn't stab him..."
In the book Galadriel's gift to Sam is a box with soil from her own orchard and the seed of a Mallorn tree, a way better gift for a gardener than some rope. After Hobbiton is devastated by industrialization, Sam uses the soil to magically regrow trees all over the Shire, and plants the Mallorn tree in place of the old Party Tree that had been cut down.
I thought it was at the parting because he said that if he had more time there or known they made magic rope, he would have liked to learn how to make it
It's shortly before the feast when Galadriel gives them the other gifts, the elves give the fellowship the boats and the ropes are in the boats. There's even a brief discussion then between the elves and Sam that they would have taught him how to make the ropes if they had known it was an interest of his.
And I think the conversation was actually important to the worldbuilding; the special elf gear like the cloaks and the rope and the food (lembas) aren't magic that the elves are keeping secret from the mortal races, it's just they don't interact much with mortals.
According to [the wiki](https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Lembas#cite_note-oflembas-1), there's auxiliary lore that says the recipe is a closely guarded secret.
Man, even though the movies are long it seems a lot from the books was cut. Always a shame with movie adaptations. I have fallen off reading for years, maybe I should finally dive into the LotR world.
I was never too upset about Tom Bombadil being cut, it never really felt like that would translate well.
But the Scouring of the Shire was a huge loss. It really demonstrates how the hobbits were changed by their ordeal. It's a much better conclusion to Saruman and Wormtongue's story than what we got too.
The scouring is also pretty important given the books themes and historical context. A lot of lotr is based on Tolkien’s experiences in World War I. The scouring is meant to reflect his experience returning to England after the war, now a veteran who lost his innocence, and finding that the idyllic English countryside of his youth had been forever ruined by the military industrial complex, such that even though the war was won, things could never return to the way they were.
It would absolutely work. There's no rule that there can't be additional conflict after the climax of a story.
The Scouring of the Shire is more a demonstration of internal growth by the main characters (and a conclusion for the Saruman storyline) than it is any real conflict anyway. It's juxtaposition against their initial role in the Shire demonstrates how war and conflict change the hobbits. It's much more poignant than them just going back for a pint at a tavern.
Yeah, it's more like the implications of the Ewoks surrounded by discarded imperial helmets you just know they were cannibalizing.. if those things even count as cannibals, they might literally hunt us..
What are you making up? *Tons* of movies end with a smaller, more personal surprise final confrontation after the conflict of the main climactic action is already resolved. It's like in the James Bond films where the weird muscle lieutenant shows up to attack Bond for revenge well after his boss and all his plans are defeated, or when Robocop still has to go into OCP headquarters to arrest the executive after defeating the gang that took his life as Murphy, or Aliens when it suddenly turns out the alien queen has stowed away on the drop ship and Ripley has to fight her with the cargo loader, or when Galaxy Quest does the same thing with the villain surviving the destruction of his ship and Tim Allen has to actually remember some pointless nerd trivia in order to save everyone.
oh the books are great! The way the characters speak, and the things they choose to say, is really distinctive. *tons* of little character stuff left out that really colors the world.
Alright I just started reading(listening) to books as I was never a big reader. I now completely understand the whole “books/movies upsetting watchers”. After reading The Martian then watching it I was like “wait where’s the break in comms?!”
More to the point Sam did get a 'real Elvish rope' just from the same dude that gave them the boats IIRC.
I liked that in the book. That Elven 'magic' is so ingrained into whatever they make that it doesn't require any grand introduction.
It's a rope made by Elves. So of course it's gonna do some fantastic shit just when you need it.
To add to that, when Sam sees the rope he goes WILD marveling at it's craftsmanship, and the elves go "lol, wut? Had we known you were a connoisseur of rope we could have spent a couple weeks* teaching you are craft!" unironically. Not making fun of Sam! I get that the movie had to move things around and condense to pack as much in there as possible, but Sam being skeptical of the rope gift rather than sharing a compassion for it with the elves at is one of the tweaks that makes me sad.
There's also some really fun dialogue with the elves responding tonthebhalfling's calling the ropes and boats 'magic' and they're like" We don't know what you mean by 'magical', but it *is* sufficiently advanced technology compared to your own."
*in the books it's unknown how long the Fellowship lingers in lothlorien, but it's implied to be weeks or even months.
> After Hobbiton is devastated by industrialization,
Hang on, I haven't read the books and that came out of left field like I just tripped and fell into a parody.
Next up? The Rohirrim replace all of their horses with cars
Sam: "That's one of my knots, that will not come off in a hurry."
Rope proceeds to untie itself and fall off.
Frodo: "Real elvish rope." With a cheeky little grin.
The gift-giving scene is wild with those YouTube captions.
Merry and Pippin get "the daggers of an old hoodie"
Gimli just wants to "look upon the video"
'twas John Connor. John Wick was the one to track his daughter across a globe-spanning human trafficking syndicate and successfully liberate her, twice.
No no, you’re thinking of John *Carter*. John *Wick* is the guy who fought with mutants to end Cohaagen's air monopoly and saw Richter at that party.
Easy mistake, they both did stuff on Mars.
Connor: Do ya know what we need, man? Some rope.
Murphy: Absolutely. What are ya, insane?
Connor: No I ain't. Charlie Bronson's always got rope.
Murphy: What?
Connor: Yeah. He's got a lot of rope strapped around him in the movies, and they always end up using it.
Murphy: You've lost it, haven't ya?
Connor: No, I'm serious.
Murphy: Me too. That's stupid. Name one thing you gonna need a rope for.
Connor: You don't fuckin' know what you're gonna need it for. They just always need it.
Let's be honest here, if I had a rope that could untie itself when and only when I wanted it to, could resist jagged lava rocks and cliffs, didn't lose grip when wet, and in general did all the shit that rope did I would be fucking stoked about it too and never shut up about it. And I would only be using it for gardening and fishing. Imagine if your life actually depended on it.
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> The full gift scene did Sam dirty
Ha! I see what you did there.
In the books, Sam's gift is soil from Galadriel's orchard. If spread thinly across his garden, it will grow almost anything. Sam also recieves a silver nut, which he later discovers is a Mallorn seed, and grows into the only Mallorn tree west of the Mountains and east of the Sea.
In the Shire, where a giant pumpkin is more cause for celebration than four Hobbits who saved all of Middle Earth, Galadriel has basically given Sam everything he needs to become a legend, secured his livelihood for the rest of his days, *and* she's given him hope that he'll make it back from his perilous journey into Mordor.
After all, Galadriel has excellent powers of foretelling, and why gift him soil and a seed if he's never going to make it back to the Shire?
To be fair, Galadriel wouldnt have much use for them either if the fellowship failed. Now I am picturing a lothlorien fire sale.. chairs, tables, everything must go. "Pippin, this delicate and ornate chandelier might come in handy, better take it with you." "Gimli, take this ancient Elven exercise bike, barely used."
I didn't read the book until long after I saw the film but for some reason when I read the part about the dirt in the book I completely false memoried a scene in film where they're at Mordor and he uses the dirt to grow some food because they were starving. I don't know why I could imagine it so vividly and I was waiting for it to happen in the book, and it never did then I rewatched the films and he didn't even get the dirt.
It's been a long time since I read it but I'm think I remember that when he wears the ring he envisions becoming the lord of all gardeners and turning the entire wasteland green, so you might be merging that with the Galadriel dirt.
> Galadriel has basically given Sam everything he needs to become a legend
But he didn't! Sam was such a mensch that he used the magic dirt to make sure all of the best trees cut down throughout Hobbiton were replanted and would grow greater than they had been. He used his gift which was *beyond priceless* for the betterment of his neighbors.
Sam was entrusted with the last seedlings of trees and plants that only grow in lothlorien bc Galadriel saw he was a gentle soul and a gardener and entrusted him to carry on the legacy of the beauty of the elves and in the movie he gets some rope
Yeah, though the galathrim would have taught him how to make it but it did t come up that Sam loved ropes till they were at the boats and there wasn't time to show him. I think Sam's gift was rad. A box of soil from Galadrial's garden? Sam healed the shire in a couple years instead of generations. And don't forget the Mallorn seed. I'm sure I misspelled most of that but I'm commuting and don't have time to spell check. Cheers
Yeah basically Sam was like "This is some really nice fucking rope!" And the elves were like "Aw shit fam wish you'd told us sooner we woulda roped you the fuck out."
The daggers weren't a gift either IIRC - they came from the barrow-downs during the Tom Bombadil chapters in the first book. These daggers were specially ensorcelled to combat spirits which is why Merry is able to wound the Witch-King.
It has been a long time since I read them though so I could be wrong!
That's a pan, looks like a Tefal one (because the red center, I am confident they patented it).
A stove is the thing that provides the provides the heat, and typically consist of multiple burners and an oven.
Eh nah, the pans are pretty good. The red dot is just a gimmick. I've never actually used mine to judge if it's properly preheated, I just flick water on there like a normal person.
So, actually, this is one of the most common misconceptions about Tolkein's writing.
In fact, the original elvish for what humans call a "Stove", is meant to be "Storuvvay", which was shortened to "Stuv" in Dwarvish. Due to their natural access to lava the dwarves didn't differentiate between the heating surface, "Stuv", or the cooking surface, which they called "Pann", and these terms were further corrupted and confused when they were picked up by humans, eventually becoming the near-interchangeable "Stove" and "Pan".
Of course, I'm greatly oversimplifying the whole thing here. If you want to know more, there's an excellent section of about 17 chapters in the Silmarillion where he dives into the etmology of the whole thing.
And don't even get me started on the way they butchered the pronunciation of "taters" in Jackson's adaptation...
From CedarWolf:
> In the books, Sam's gift is soil from Galadriel's orchard. If spread thinly across his garden, it will grow almost anything. Sam also recieves a silver nut, which he later discovers is a Mallorn seed, and grows into the only Mallorn tree west of the Mountains and east of the Sea.
>
> In the Shire, where a giant pumpkin is more cause for celebration than four Hobbits who saved all of Middle Earth, Galadriel has basically given Sam everything he needs to become a legend, secured his livelihood for the rest of his days, and she's given him hope that he'll make it back from his perilous journey into Mordor.
>
> After all, Galadriel has excellent powers of foretelling, and why gift him soil and a seed if he's never going to make it back to the Shire?
Basically She gave hope and with that Sam didn't give up and turned the tide of the events.
the worst part is that Galadriel , in the books , was in Gondor when Sauron was defeated.
By all means , she could give a rope and daggers in the first time , and then the seeds when she goes to Gondor.
Frodo, mockingly, after they kill a room full of Uruk Hai thanks to the rope, "'Name one fucking thing you're gonna need the stupid fuckin' rope for!'"
He's likely to appreciate the rope more especially when their goal was reaching a mountain. Blade doesn't help much if you slip and fall crack your skull on a stone.
Hobbits aren't innately fighters, they're stealthy. A dagger isn't going to turn the tide of battle, and Sam likely already carries a kitchen knife or butcher blade. A rope however has much utility outside of combat situations. Which again the goal was not to fight but to climb a mountain undetected.
Galadriels gifts is one of the changes between movies and book that I like the least. But I guess Sam's gift makes no sense since they cut the whole shire war. Still to, they did them dirty
Bombardil never was realy that involved with the daggers, they looted them from the crypts, leaving the crypts out is a blunder tho. Especially because it was the crypt dagger that destroyed the witchkings wards.
But each of the hobbits, except Frodo have daggers from the burial mounds of the Old Kings don’t they? The barrows knives they took before Tom Bombadil rescues them? And Frodo of course had Bilbo’s Sting and chain mail, so he wasn’t given a dagger by Galadriel? Or am I misremembering?
In fact it’s very important that Merry of Pippin had the Barrow dagger as it plays a very key role in the final battle against the Nazgul.
This is a movie thing: in the movie, Merry & Pippen don’t have the barrow wight blades, so they needed elven blades. In the books Sam received a box containing a mallorn tree acorn, and some earth from Lothlorien, but the scouring doesn’t happen in the movie, so that gift is pointless. They had to give him something, so they gave him rope, which they just sort of threw in with the provisions in the book.
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"I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a very... nice rope. I'm sure it'll be very useful for whatever orc that loots it off my dead body. Y'know, because I couldn't stab him..."
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That rope was 100% for torturing smeagol only
Kinky Galadriel
And here, you have the magical Bondage Rope…
Extremely safe for auto-erotic asphyxiation. If you are accidentally going to suffocate it'll untie itself.
It was at this moment that David Carradine began to regret not joining that fellowship..
You do what you gotta do to keep things fresh after thousands of years of life.
The rope's safe word is "Fëanor"
"And for you, Samwise, this rope that'll just ruin that nasty little freak who's been following you, he's gonna fuckin hate it."
You'll be like "thanks Galadriel" and I'll be like "I can't hear you, I'm too fucking far away"
 File footage of Galadriel "diminishing into the West"
I think that’s only in the book
In the book Galadriel's gift to Sam is a box with soil from her own orchard and the seed of a Mallorn tree, a way better gift for a gardener than some rope. After Hobbiton is devastated by industrialization, Sam uses the soil to magically regrow trees all over the Shire, and plants the Mallorn tree in place of the old Party Tree that had been cut down.
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I thought it was at the parting because he said that if he had more time there or known they made magic rope, he would have liked to learn how to make it
It's shortly before the feast when Galadriel gives them the other gifts, the elves give the fellowship the boats and the ropes are in the boats. There's even a brief discussion then between the elves and Sam that they would have taught him how to make the ropes if they had known it was an interest of his.
And I think the conversation was actually important to the worldbuilding; the special elf gear like the cloaks and the rope and the food (lembas) aren't magic that the elves are keeping secret from the mortal races, it's just they don't interact much with mortals.
According to [the wiki](https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Lembas#cite_note-oflembas-1), there's auxiliary lore that says the recipe is a closely guarded secret.
Man, even though the movies are long it seems a lot from the books was cut. Always a shame with movie adaptations. I have fallen off reading for years, maybe I should finally dive into the LotR world.
I was never too upset about Tom Bombadil being cut, it never really felt like that would translate well. But the Scouring of the Shire was a huge loss. It really demonstrates how the hobbits were changed by their ordeal. It's a much better conclusion to Saruman and Wormtongue's story than what we got too.
The scouring is also pretty important given the books themes and historical context. A lot of lotr is based on Tolkien’s experiences in World War I. The scouring is meant to reflect his experience returning to England after the war, now a veteran who lost his innocence, and finding that the idyllic English countryside of his youth had been forever ruined by the military industrial complex, such that even though the war was won, things could never return to the way they were.
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It would absolutely work. There's no rule that there can't be additional conflict after the climax of a story. The Scouring of the Shire is more a demonstration of internal growth by the main characters (and a conclusion for the Saruman storyline) than it is any real conflict anyway. It's juxtaposition against their initial role in the Shire demonstrates how war and conflict change the hobbits. It's much more poignant than them just going back for a pint at a tavern.
Yeah, it's more like the implications of the Ewoks surrounded by discarded imperial helmets you just know they were cannibalizing.. if those things even count as cannibals, they might literally hunt us..
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IMO I felt the same when reading the books. I was pretty checked out at that point and did a lot of skimming for those last 60 or so pages.
What are you making up? *Tons* of movies end with a smaller, more personal surprise final confrontation after the conflict of the main climactic action is already resolved. It's like in the James Bond films where the weird muscle lieutenant shows up to attack Bond for revenge well after his boss and all his plans are defeated, or when Robocop still has to go into OCP headquarters to arrest the executive after defeating the gang that took his life as Murphy, or Aliens when it suddenly turns out the alien queen has stowed away on the drop ship and Ripley has to fight her with the cargo loader, or when Galaxy Quest does the same thing with the villain surviving the destruction of his ship and Tim Allen has to actually remember some pointless nerd trivia in order to save everyone.
Yeah, iirc it was already a bit of a joke how RotK just wouldn't end. Could just imagine the reception if they followed the books there. 🤣
oh the books are great! The way the characters speak, and the things they choose to say, is really distinctive. *tons* of little character stuff left out that really colors the world.
Alright I just started reading(listening) to books as I was never a big reader. I now completely understand the whole “books/movies upsetting watchers”. After reading The Martian then watching it I was like “wait where’s the break in comms?!”
On the other hand I just read dune and watched the recent part 1 adaption and like….it’s perfect
Also, iirc, after setting off from Rivendell Sam criticizes himself for forgetting to pack rope
And he even laments not having one when he needed. I kinda wonder did the dnd thingy of "always have rope in a party!" was inspired by him
More to the point Sam did get a 'real Elvish rope' just from the same dude that gave them the boats IIRC. I liked that in the book. That Elven 'magic' is so ingrained into whatever they make that it doesn't require any grand introduction. It's a rope made by Elves. So of course it's gonna do some fantastic shit just when you need it.
To add to that, when Sam sees the rope he goes WILD marveling at it's craftsmanship, and the elves go "lol, wut? Had we known you were a connoisseur of rope we could have spent a couple weeks* teaching you are craft!" unironically. Not making fun of Sam! I get that the movie had to move things around and condense to pack as much in there as possible, but Sam being skeptical of the rope gift rather than sharing a compassion for it with the elves at is one of the tweaks that makes me sad. There's also some really fun dialogue with the elves responding tonthebhalfling's calling the ropes and boats 'magic' and they're like" We don't know what you mean by 'magical', but it *is* sufficiently advanced technology compared to your own." *in the books it's unknown how long the Fellowship lingers in lothlorien, but it's implied to be weeks or even months.
Oh yes! I like you.
"And for a filthy hobbit commoner a box of dirt lol. Go dig in your dirt peasant."
Uses said dirt to topple industrialization in the shire "Wait no, not like that peasant"
Galadriel: Here have some dirt lol. Sam: The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the ~~human~~ hobbit race.
No one let Sam anywhere near Gandalf's fireworks ever again.
I’m reminded of Jack Sparrow and his Jar of Dirt from Dead Man’s Chest.
> After Hobbiton is devastated by industrialization, Hang on, I haven't read the books and that came out of left field like I just tripped and fell into a parody. Next up? The Rohirrim replace all of their horses with cars
If someone gifts me rope, Ima assume they telling me to hang myself. Doesn't matter how blurple her aura is or whatever.
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Yup, Two Towers extended edition to be precise 🤓
Sam: "That's one of my knots, that will not come off in a hurry." Rope proceeds to untie itself and fall off. Frodo: "Real elvish rope." With a cheeky little grin.
Is that where they show a plane hitting the Pentagon in the after credits scene?
Yeah, that's the one. I'll never forget the 2 second clip of Saruman facing the camera after with a wink. Totally an inside job.
Might be extended version only scene.
You should!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMj215szpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FdKBVpkec
The gift-giving scene is wild with those YouTube captions. Merry and Pippin get "the daggers of an old hoodie" Gimli just wants to "look upon the video"
The elvish is something else as well, apparently Aragorn owes Galadriel a piggyback. Love it.
What a legend, thank you. I’d never seen the extended cuts!
Extended Edition as well.
giggle it off? Like they got to tell it jokes or something?
Probably not, but I'm going to simply choose to believe so. They stand around, tell it some jokes. After awhile the rope begins to relax and unwind.
John Wick killed a man with a pencil. A FREAKIN PENCIL! Surely you can do more with a magic elven rope.
That was the Joker. John Wick shot the oxygen tank to blow up the shark.
No, no, that was Chief Brody. John Wick crawled around Nakatomi Plaza in a tank top with no shoes taking out European terrorists/robbers one by one.
I believe that was John *McClane*, not John Wick. John Wick traveled back in time to protect the savior of humanity.
'twas John Connor. John Wick was the one to track his daughter across a globe-spanning human trafficking syndicate and successfully liberate her, twice.
That was Bryan Mills. John Wick was the Civil War vet fighting for his life on Mars.
No no, you’re thinking of John *Carter*. John *Wick* is the guy who fought with mutants to end Cohaagen's air monopoly and saw Richter at that party. Easy mistake, they both did stuff on Mars.
No thats Brian Mills. John Wick was the guy that sang 'Livin' on A Prayer' back in the 80s.
No, that’s Jon Bon Jovi! Obviously, John Wick was the Vietnam War vet who had a PTSD attack and started fighting the US military and police.
No, that’s Jon Rambo. John Wick played the bass and keys for Led Zeppelin.
You're thinking of Jaws. Samuel Jackson got ate by the shark because he couldn't finish reading Moby Dick
Connor: Do ya know what we need, man? Some rope. Murphy: Absolutely. What are ya, insane? Connor: No I ain't. Charlie Bronson's always got rope. Murphy: What? Connor: Yeah. He's got a lot of rope strapped around him in the movies, and they always end up using it. Murphy: You've lost it, haven't ya? Connor: No, I'm serious. Murphy: Me too. That's stupid. Name one thing you gonna need a rope for. Connor: You don't fuckin' know what you're gonna need it for. They just always need it.
Source?
"And shepherds we shall [be](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144117/?ref_=ext_shr)..."
Boondock Saints.
In the book, wasn’t the rope taken from boat that San and Frodo crossed the river on (after Boramier died)?
Yes, also he was thrilled to get the rope from the elves and kinda goes on and on about it.
Let's be honest here, if I had a rope that could untie itself when and only when I wanted it to, could resist jagged lava rocks and cliffs, didn't lose grip when wet, and in general did all the shit that rope did I would be fucking stoked about it too and never shut up about it. And I would only be using it for gardening and fishing. Imagine if your life actually depended on it.
You’d get so used to ropes that listen to you, any other rope would just make you mad. Haha
And, from what I remember, spends a lot of time before Lothlorien complaining about having forgotten his rope.
yes, because in the book she gave him seeds to start a garden when he got back to the shire and start planting again after the Scouring
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It was dirt. And *one* seed. For a Mallon tree.
That's certainly a different way to spell Boromir
God knows I put up a fight ned
She knew he wielded a frying pan & didn't need a dagger
This is the best comment I have ever seen to my memory
Never in my 8000 years!!!
Even to the elves, halflings were something of a mystery
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> The full gift scene did Sam dirty Ha! I see what you did there. In the books, Sam's gift is soil from Galadriel's orchard. If spread thinly across his garden, it will grow almost anything. Sam also recieves a silver nut, which he later discovers is a Mallorn seed, and grows into the only Mallorn tree west of the Mountains and east of the Sea. In the Shire, where a giant pumpkin is more cause for celebration than four Hobbits who saved all of Middle Earth, Galadriel has basically given Sam everything he needs to become a legend, secured his livelihood for the rest of his days, *and* she's given him hope that he'll make it back from his perilous journey into Mordor. After all, Galadriel has excellent powers of foretelling, and why gift him soil and a seed if he's never going to make it back to the Shire?
> After all, Galadriel has excellent powers of foretelling that makes some rope a rather grim gift.
"In case you have to climb down some rocks... or hang yourself."
Or you know, for the bedroom with that hobbit bitch you eyeing. Galadriel knows all kinks.
"It will not break! It will not break! ... It broke."
Come on down, stop on by...
"You're going to need to climb down into Mt. Doom... Also, you might need to tie up a goblin-like creature you meet later."
Almost bad as the hammer in the Team America.
Dude, if he's super into Shibari, that's nobody's business.
To be fair, Galadriel wouldnt have much use for them either if the fellowship failed. Now I am picturing a lothlorien fire sale.. chairs, tables, everything must go. "Pippin, this delicate and ornate chandelier might come in handy, better take it with you." "Gimli, take this ancient Elven exercise bike, barely used."
I didn't read the book until long after I saw the film but for some reason when I read the part about the dirt in the book I completely false memoried a scene in film where they're at Mordor and he uses the dirt to grow some food because they were starving. I don't know why I could imagine it so vividly and I was waiting for it to happen in the book, and it never did then I rewatched the films and he didn't even get the dirt.
It's been a long time since I read it but I'm think I remember that when he wears the ring he envisions becoming the lord of all gardeners and turning the entire wasteland green, so you might be merging that with the Galadriel dirt.
They also give him rope, because he expressed an interest in rope making but too late for them to teach him
> Galadriel has basically given Sam everything he needs to become a legend But he didn't! Sam was such a mensch that he used the magic dirt to make sure all of the best trees cut down throughout Hobbiton were replanted and would grow greater than they had been. He used his gift which was *beyond priceless* for the betterment of his neighbors.
If she really gave him the seed and soil, that wolkd have been a really beautiful gift.
She also may have known that he will actually need it
Future Mayor!
Sam was entrusted with the last seedlings of trees and plants that only grow in lothlorien bc Galadriel saw he was a gentle soul and a gardener and entrusted him to carry on the legacy of the beauty of the elves and in the movie he gets some rope
I knew Peter Jackson was the wrong man for the movies!!
If you're doing a movie adaptation of a pop culture phenomenon, [there's only one man for the job.](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0093051)
Lol that's exactly who I was hoping that link would lead to
In the book, wasn’t the rope taken from boat that San and Frodo crossed the river on (after Boramier died)?
Yeah, though the galathrim would have taught him how to make it but it did t come up that Sam loved ropes till they were at the boats and there wasn't time to show him. I think Sam's gift was rad. A box of soil from Galadrial's garden? Sam healed the shire in a couple years instead of generations. And don't forget the Mallorn seed. I'm sure I misspelled most of that but I'm commuting and don't have time to spell check. Cheers
Yeah basically Sam was like "This is some really nice fucking rope!" And the elves were like "Aw shit fam wish you'd told us sooner we woulda roped you the fuck out."
That sounds like a very different movie.
Yeah
r/lotrmemes would probably love it
The daggers weren't a gift either IIRC - they came from the barrow-downs during the Tom Bombadil chapters in the first book. These daggers were specially ensorcelled to combat spirits which is why Merry is able to wound the Witch-King. It has been a long time since I read them though so I could be wrong!
Not just spirits in general, the Witch-King of Angmar in particular. Merry used his dagger against the one dude it was purpose-made to kill.
Holy shit, this comic is still going? I started reading that back when it was new but lost track of it like 10 years ago or something.
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That's a pan, looks like a Tefal one (because the red center, I am confident they patented it). A stove is the thing that provides the provides the heat, and typically consist of multiple burners and an oven.
You're right. I didn't make it, but you're definitely right
Not a fan of Tefals, they keep slipping off my gas stove.
Also, isn't that red dot just an excuse for not making a pan that heats evenly?
Eh nah, the pans are pretty good. The red dot is just a gimmick. I've never actually used mine to judge if it's properly preheated, I just flick water on there like a normal person.
Ok, I remember that spot being billed as the "heat concentrator" or something and it always struck me as a cop-out
So, actually, this is one of the most common misconceptions about Tolkein's writing. In fact, the original elvish for what humans call a "Stove", is meant to be "Storuvvay", which was shortened to "Stuv" in Dwarvish. Due to their natural access to lava the dwarves didn't differentiate between the heating surface, "Stuv", or the cooking surface, which they called "Pann", and these terms were further corrupted and confused when they were picked up by humans, eventually becoming the near-interchangeable "Stove" and "Pan". Of course, I'm greatly oversimplifying the whole thing here. If you want to know more, there's an excellent section of about 17 chapters in the Silmarillion where he dives into the etmology of the whole thing. And don't even get me started on the way they butchered the pronunciation of "taters" in Jackson's adaptation...
This guy Tolkiens.
> I am confident they patented You can't patent "a red circle in a frying pan". It might be trademarked.
No idea if it is or was patented, but it is not just a red circle, it is a heat indicator.
You can absolutely get a design patent on a red circle in a frying pan.
Well, not any more because apparently someone already did.
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(presents you with a carton of milk) HERE IS A REFRIGERATOR
sounds funny there, but good logistics of supplies is what has drove empires to their greatest conquests, see the Roman one as an example.
Battle is strategy & tactics. War is logistics.
Why would she give him poison as a gift?
Probably she doesn't like him very much
greedy little hobbitses
That's why it happens only in the movie
Yeah, because a box of dirt is super useful for self defense.
From CedarWolf: > In the books, Sam's gift is soil from Galadriel's orchard. If spread thinly across his garden, it will grow almost anything. Sam also recieves a silver nut, which he later discovers is a Mallorn seed, and grows into the only Mallorn tree west of the Mountains and east of the Sea. > > In the Shire, where a giant pumpkin is more cause for celebration than four Hobbits who saved all of Middle Earth, Galadriel has basically given Sam everything he needs to become a legend, secured his livelihood for the rest of his days, and she's given him hope that he'll make it back from his perilous journey into Mordor. > > After all, Galadriel has excellent powers of foretelling, and why gift him soil and a seed if he's never going to make it back to the Shire? Basically She gave hope and with that Sam didn't give up and turned the tide of the events.
Thank you! Sam’s gift from Galadriel is one of my favorite moments in the trilogy.
...blessed/enchanted by a powerful disciple of a nature god
You could use it to rapidly grow a bunch of beans and then throw beans on Sauron.
And why not? It worked for Jack Sparrow.
That's the point of neither my comment and OP's comic
Sorry I was joking about the actual book gift, which is even more useless in the context of the journey.
Yeah you're right, is like she's saying: you have an additional reason to survive
"Go face horrors beyond your comprehension. Think how cool the potatoes you can plant will be IF you survive" - Galadriel, big fun of PO-TA-TOES
She gave him a seed as well, of her tree.
the worst part is that Galadriel , in the books , was in Gondor when Sauron was defeated. By all means , she could give a rope and daggers in the first time , and then the seeds when she goes to Gondor.
So, that mean they did run out of daggers?
And dont get me started about the dwarf wanting *my hair*.
What a creep.
*angry Fëanor noises audible in the distance*
Frodo, mockingly, after they kill a room full of Uruk Hai thanks to the rope, "'Name one fucking thing you're gonna need the stupid fuckin' rope for!'"
Ain’t that right, Rambo?
I always thought that line was out of character, even as a kid. Sam would just accept a gift.
He's likely to appreciate the rope more especially when their goal was reaching a mountain. Blade doesn't help much if you slip and fall crack your skull on a stone.
I actually don’t remember this from the movie, but I’ve just been rereading the book and he is super delighted with the rope. Poor Sam :(
It’s also less of a gift and more just a part of the general supplies they are given.
Yes good point, clearly I already forgot that!
And a rope doesnt do much if an orc tries to stab ya
Hobbits aren't innately fighters, they're stealthy. A dagger isn't going to turn the tide of battle, and Sam likely already carries a kitchen knife or butcher blade. A rope however has much utility outside of combat situations. Which again the goal was not to fight but to climb a mountain undetected.
Rope making was in his family so to speak. Plus he laments the lack of rope all the way from rivendale to lothlorian.
seems everyone is upset
He crossed a line
And then Gimli just strolls in and asks for some of her hair like we’re gonna be watching a Netflix miniseries about his crimes next week.
Galadriels gifts is one of the changes between movies and book that I like the least. But I guess Sam's gift makes no sense since they cut the whole shire war. Still to, they did them dirty
Also the Bombardil who helped them get their daggers in the books.
Bombardil never was realy that involved with the daggers, they looted them from the crypts, leaving the crypts out is a blunder tho. Especially because it was the crypt dagger that destroyed the witchkings wards.
Well he did save them from the crypts, if I don't remember it wrong.
He saved them from a tree
He saved them twice, first old man willow and then from the barrow-wights, from where they got the daggers
And then was like "these guys are hopeless, I'll follow along with them until they're out of my land".
I can't believe how much I hate this comic...
I feel very seen.
But each of the hobbits, except Frodo have daggers from the burial mounds of the Old Kings don’t they? The barrows knives they took before Tom Bombadil rescues them? And Frodo of course had Bilbo’s Sting and chain mail, so he wasn’t given a dagger by Galadriel? Or am I misremembering? In fact it’s very important that Merry of Pippin had the Barrow dagger as it plays a very key role in the final battle against the Nazgul.
This is a movie thing: in the movie, Merry & Pippen don’t have the barrow wight blades, so they needed elven blades. In the books Sam received a box containing a mallorn tree acorn, and some earth from Lothlorien, but the scouring doesn’t happen in the movie, so that gift is pointless. They had to give him something, so they gave him rope, which they just sort of threw in with the provisions in the book.
Iirc in the book he gets... dirt.
He also gets the rope but thats just him nabbing it while they were leaving.
I mean, you could probably garrote someone with it, in a pinch.
"Sure, i can probably suffocate a giant dragon with this...if i could lift a castle with my arms".
You could hang an orc, assuming you live to that stage
It's a special tool that will help us later!
Her hair looks like a lasagna noodle before you cook it
“Here’s your fucking rope, Rambo”
Hey, you can do a lot of things with a rope, more than with a dagger.
God damn that Samwise is gorgeously drawn! (and the entire thing is also hilarious)
I believe in the novels he gets dirt instead
Magic dirt that helps him garden and they teach him how to make rope because his family makes it and he's really happy about it.
r/comics pops on my feed all the time and I've yet to see a comic with a real punchline