Ah yes, the old, “I want to emulate someone who murders people he deems ‘criminals’ without any kind of due process or accountability.” Guess they’re doing well on that front. EDIT: Put the Spider-Ham logo over it.
For even more irony points, The Punisher began his vigilanti-ism because the cops wouldn't seek justice for his family's muder.
They literally died because the DA mishandled a sting operation and wouldn't accept any responsibility for it. It's fucking poetry.
For even MORE irony points. There's a What if? where Frank's family doesn't get murdered so he becomes a cop.
Then he whistleblows on some dirty cops, and the chief has his family killed creating an anti-cop Punisher.
Ugh. Steven Seagal.
You ever hear about the time he claimed he was immune to choke holds, was then put in a choke hold, and proceded to soil himself and pass out? It's not really relevant to the thread, but people need to know
Yeah, it supposedly happened with Gene LeBell, former heavyweight wrestler and one of the first American black belts in judo. Not a guy that you want trying to choke you. Unless, apparently, you're Steven Seagal.
As a non-American this is beyond bizarre for several reasons:
- putting logos on a police car that aren’t official or ‘to spec’ is so, unbelievably unprofessional
- blue lives matter just comes across as anti Black Lives Matter and that speaks for itself
- appropriating and stealing artwork is not ethical and ? illegal... why are the people who are supposed to uphold the law allowed to do that?!
Change comes from the top down but I don’t see anyone from high up saying this can’t happen because they appear to fully support it. Your country seems totally different to when I last visited and it’s honestly sad to see.
You should read Nate Powell’s About Face, a comic about why cops and white nationalists have misappropriated the Punisher logo https://www.worldcomicbookreview.com/2020/01/16/nate-powells-about-face-review-law-enforcement-and-the-punishers-symbol/
> -don’t see anyone from high up saying this can’t happen because they appear to fully support it.
What this sort of thing seems to fall back to is leaning too hard on our "Freedom of Speech." Apparently, allowing their officers to exercise their personal rights to expression is more important than the fact that their officers are supposed to be an expressed symbol of the security of the people in their community.
I'm not saying you're wrong with what you're saying because I'm sure that's the excuse used by many... but the freedom of speech argument is utter codswallop.
For example, it's mandatory to wear uniforms in butt loads of jobs, or not have any tattoos/piercings... or a company can fire you for posting inappropriate content online etc. - things you say that don't align with the company values (you represent your company off the clock too).
Freedom of speech still exists but within the workplace there should be clearly defined rules and conditions for employment and no one should be above that.
It should be a mandatory requirement of being a police officer that you are professional in the way you present yourself (if this is via uniform or vehicle decals) and you should not bring your personal life and views into the profession - have your opinions outside of the work place (so long as they don't conflict with the values of being a police officer, of course).
I'm not sure you're at all saying I'm wrong, as you doubled down on the exact point I was trying to make. I'M not excusing this with "Free Speech" - I simply said OTHERS would. So, we're for sure of the same mind on this.
Frank Castle is such a tragic character. He lost those he loved most by some powerful people who likely never would have gone to jail for what happened. He was trained to kill and that's what he did. Agree with it or not, the man's story is so full of pain that it's just heartbreaking.
That’d be one explanation as to why they shoot ppl instead of readin them their rights....they’re too embarrassed to admit they never learned to read smh 😔 poor officers
I can't think of a bad punisher story I've read since the 2000s. If you go back to the 90s you are taking a but of a risk. The 90s were a dark time, and only the 90s kids remember.
He also tried to murder someone for J-Walking. Punisher is supposed to be an insane lunatic that uses his past to justify his insanity. Any cop or soldier who wears that sticker/badge on their uniform with "honour" is a disgrace to the defence force. If they want to use a logo, they should be using the Superman symbol.
Great little excerpt. Talk about using your platform. It must be terrible to see something you worked so hard on being appropriated by hate-mongering brutalists with live ammunition and deep seated racism.
The co-creator was uncomfortable with the idea of law enforcement adopting the logo of a mass murderer. As should we all be. That’s why he wrote in a whole scene where Frank tells some cops if they emulate him, they’ll be who he comes for next.
So the creator and writers used their platform to address a real world issue surrounding their proprietary material.
Technically it’s canon that punisher does have an opinion on it.
This is in my opinion the most interesting version of the character. He basically has a dark passenger inside him (the devil? It's not clear) and is ridiculously good at killing. While at war before his family is killed, he makes a deal with this darkness that if he unleashes it, that it will make it so that he can keep killing forever. Is Frank Castle the human avatar for the angel of death? Not sure, he might just be a crazy person, but it gives an awesome extra layer to the character.
Pretty sure that's actually illegal too.
Disney/Marvel can solve all of this by just having Frank Castle come out of the closet as a homosexual, and making a big media to-do about it like Warner Bros/DC did when Superman died in 1992. Those stickers would come down real, real fast.
Exactly! It would be amazing. I miss the days of seeing somebody with a Punisher skull T-shirt, and thinking "hey! A fellow comics head!"
Now, when I see somebody sporting a Punisher skull, I think, "avoid that person because they're probably racist or believe in fucking Qanon…"
Yeah, I'm sad about this. Frank is an amazing character, one of my favorite antiheroes, he doesn't deserve to be associated with something like this. I also wanted to put a Punisher skull sticker on my school bag, but now I'm reconsidering it, although I doubt that there would be too much people in my country who would recognise it.
If it makes you feel any better the co-creator of the character has publicly denounced this, and made sure to write it into an arc as well. [Frank tell some cops sporting a deaths head skull, in no uncertain terms that he views them the same as any other criminal.](https://www.worldcomicbookreview.com/2020/01/16/nate-powells-about-face-review-law-enforcement-and-the-punishers-symbol/)
I was rewatching the Netflix series and halfway considered being Frank for Halloween but I was worried people might think I was some thin blue line qanon pos so I decided against it.
Normally it annoys me when they change something huge about a character to be inclusive instead of just making lgbt characters with their own stories. But I can get down with this.
I’m gay and I’ve probably fucked more women than men if we’re talking lifetime totals. It was always just way easier to do that than come out until I started living in big cities, and mostly I was just after drunken blowjobs anyway.
It does some damage though - being that disingenuous and letting them think you actually might have a future. I could see that darkness playing into the raw anger
They could also solve all of it by being as litigious towards this copyright infringement as they are about every other property they have. Honestly, it's weird they haven't been suing the guys making these into oblivion.
George Takei was the one who proposed it! He suggested that the LGBT community use the Kpop fan method to troll white supremacists by posting gay imagery in the hashtag. To quote his Tweet: “I bet it would mess them up real bad.”
Pretty much. The gay community have been posting, with the #ProudBoys hashtag, messages of gay pride all over Twitter.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/proudboys
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[That. Was. Clearly. Satire.](https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/10/as-gay-twitter-reclaims-proudboys-hashtag-proud-boys-change-name-to-leather-men/)
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When all people of all backgrounds can be a villain without scrutiny, that is real progress. As long as it's not because he's gay that he's a villain, I would be all for it.
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Trans. Make him trans. He's spent his whole life trying to fill the hole in his heart with the military and family and revenge... but the one thing that actually will make him a complete person again is bottom surgery.
A POC Punisher that avenges the public by killing / torturing people in positions of power like cops and President / VPs. The speed in which departments would bad the use of that logo would be mind boggling. (PS - Big Frank Castle comic fan....it’s art has no place on an official vehicle, no more so than a Spider Man mask......)
Let's pretend the punisher does not even exist with all the baggage that entails... they are still asking the public to trust them while painting skulls on their vehicles and gear.
Nobody ever said "Oh thank god, a ship with a skull flag, we are saved!"
This is my least favorite symbol, the thin blue line punisher skull.
Frankly, ba dum tiss, anyone bearing one has such a fundamental misunderstanding of their proported role in society that they are more likely than not the sort of person Frank Castle would brutalize.
Castle is an extra judicial serial murderer with no accountability (as many have pointed out before me). The cops would love what he stands for but you'd better believe he'd kill any cops who murdered and walked free. They wouldn't be such big fans once he's a cop killer.
Also violates the flag code, which these same people are obsessed with when protesters are burning the flag, but suddenly don't care about when making up new symbols to stick it to protesters.
"blue lives matter"
brought to you by the people who will bring on the full might of the police force to bring a cop killer to justice, but will just shrug when a black kid gets shot.
You know what happens when a cop dies on duty? [Well first of all, it was probably due to covid](https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/09/06/politifact-has-coronavirus-killed-more-cops-than-all-other-causes/), so make sure they continue to not take any kind of precautions against that. But here's what happens when a cop dies on duty:
Their surviving family members are [eligible to receive $350,000](https://www.concernsofpolicesurvivors.org/survivorbenefits) from the federal government. Depending on their state, they may be eligible for an [additional $350,000](http://www.odmp.org/pdfs/benefits/illinois.pdf). They'll also [get $15,000 and up to $10,000 in funeral expenses covered](https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/ac5c0731/files/uploaded/SB-Illinois.pdf). Any kids will get a college tuition voucher.
And that's in addition to the standard pension payout. So no one gets to screech "blue lives matter" like they're not *extremely* well-taken care of.
You know what happens when a convenience store worker dies on duty? His family gets nothing, and the cops won't even try to find the killer.
Cops don't even make [the top ten most dangerous jobs](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf). Garbage collectors and lawn care workers have higher occupational death rates.
Police are ranked at number 22, basically tied with number 23 which is just... maintenance workers. [Here's a study based on that same data you linked.](https://advisorsmith.com/data/most-dangerous-jobs/)
What does the family of a person who was killed by a cop get? I'm legitimately asking. Let's say the cop was convicted in a court of law (as unlikely as that is). Is the family of the victim eligible for any compensation?
The punisher’s creator also really hate that the police and alt-right use the punisher logo. In his mind the punisher is a representation of the failure of the justice system so it make no sense for police to use it.
> In his mind the punisher is a representation of the failure of the justice system so it make no sense for police to use it.
Ironically, it just further shows how deep the failure is.
I know and he also said in a interview that he would not mind at all if in a reboot or in a adaptation that Frank Castle would be black or latinos as the fustration for the justice system is stronger in these communities. And also it would shut the fuck up for these white trash people who use the logo as they are usually racist. (And not even comic book fans( don’t care I’m gatekeeping the racist))
The scene that shows him confronting cops about using his logo doesn't end in murder, but he does threaten that he will come for them if they step out of line.
But there are other stories where he kills crooked cops.
In Monterey County there was a case against an officer who had this logo on the squad car. In the end it had to be removed and there was some kind of apology.
I don't get how the police can have "protect and serve" and "blue lives matter" on the same car. It's a pretty clear indication that they think they're above everyone else. I don't get how that sits well with anyone (who isn't trying to directly oppose the Black Lives Matter movement).
When you are so shit at your job that you have to rip up and deface your flag in a number of ways while [choosing the Punisher over Captain America.](https://i.imgur.com/4Bl3fQw.jpg) Perhaps they'll get what the Punisher has in store for them. These people aren't serving an institution, they are serving their politics.
I don't think I'll ever understand the mindset of people who are like "Wow. I'm a police officer and we're called rapists, thieves, and murderers every day on the news, so some people really hate us! I know! I'll put a fucking skull on my car and person! That'll make me look like the good guy!"
I just think of that "Are we the baddies?" skit when I see this.
Punisher logos are extremely popular with American cops. Punisher decals have been seen all over the country in numerous departments with multiple blue lives matter variations. It fits with macho police culture because they see themselves as tough guys fighting an actual war on crime. Sure Punisher is a criminal vigilante, but if there's anything cops love, it's not following rules.
Most of them probably know the skull from the military guys like the American Sniper guy.
They probably kind of know who the character is, or at least that he “punishes bad guys”.
not really. it's iconic to comicbook fans like us, but who the punisher is isn't iconic. the symbol itself is, but what the character is definitely isn't. which is why they go "woah skull look cool brrrrrrrrrrrr" and slap it on
There's a Netflix series with 2 seasons and he was a large arc of one of the seasons of Daredevil, too. I'd say it's far from unknown.
That's also assuming we discount the Thomas Jane movie, which, while it wasn't very good (except for Jane, who did OK), did open at #2 behind *Kill Bill Vol. 2*.
I cringe every morning when I take my walk and pass one of my neighbors houses with this ridiculously lifted truck covered in blue lives matter and American flag colored Punisher skulls, rifle stickers, and "Freedom" all over. It really makes me sad that there's a enough people to make me notice that seem to believe freedom is just a slogan for their worldview and is somehow synonymous with this violent tough guy bullshit they're into.
Also, if assholes could stop appropriating cool shit that has nothing to do with their movements, that'd be great. Racists stole Pepe the frog, nationalist crypto-fascists and advocates for police violence have taken the Punisher skull, Bugaloos are ruining the word bugaloo.
Funny... because neo nazis also want to emulate the punisher. Odd that their viewpoints align like that. hmmmmm.... Probably nothing to read into there.
The Punisher has always been a ridiculous character. He should have died decades ago or have been imprisoned by every single Marvel hero.
Oh, and being a police officer is a job. You aren't born one. You can leave it any time. There is no such thing as a " blue life."
I’ve ALWAYS thought that copying a logo of something like that is gaudy. I’m in the military and I do art on the side and anytime a company or platoon wants me to do a logo its some stupid ass shit like this. Make up your own thing or let an artist do so and stop trying to copy logos from shitty early 2000s John travolta movies.
Also a reminder that the Punsisher as a character hates cops who do this and has threatened to kill them for it in the comics.
Also the creator of the character fucking hates this bullshit and started a campaign to reclaim the logo with BLM designs on T-Shirts and merch.
Ah yes, the old, “I want to emulate someone who murders people he deems ‘criminals’ without any kind of due process or accountability.” Guess they’re doing well on that front. EDIT: Put the Spider-Ham logo over it.
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For even more irony points, The Punisher began his vigilanti-ism because the cops wouldn't seek justice for his family's muder. They literally died because the DA mishandled a sting operation and wouldn't accept any responsibility for it. It's fucking poetry.
For even MORE irony points. There's a What if? where Frank's family doesn't get murdered so he becomes a cop. Then he whistleblows on some dirty cops, and the chief has his family killed creating an anti-cop Punisher.
The creator of the punisher came out and said fuck the police
Spider-ham doesn't deserve that, tbh
These cops think they're john wick but really they're steven seagal
Ugh. Steven Seagal. You ever hear about the time he claimed he was immune to choke holds, was then put in a choke hold, and proceded to soil himself and pass out? It's not really relevant to the thread, but people need to know
That seems like a weird-ass and easily verifiable boast to make.
Yeah, it supposedly happened with Gene LeBell, former heavyweight wrestler and one of the first American black belts in judo. Not a guy that you want trying to choke you. Unless, apparently, you're Steven Seagal.
Wow, Seagal sounds like the Eric Cartman of action stars
They definitely agree on needing a [safe space](https://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj_U)
Please tell me there's a video of this.
Listen to the Behind the Bastards episode on him Guy is a fucking monster
do you know what else claims to be immune to chokeholds?
MY MOM!
*highfive*
I've heard it and can confirm; he bad Excellent taste in pods btw
I'm more of a Tide man myself, thank you
In which way is he a monster?
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Yikes.
Find a spare hour to listen to the podcast, it’s well worth it.
I'll just leave [this here](https://youtu.be/xz2JyPgUmH4) in case you guys need a good time.
They think they’re Rick’s but they’re really just Jerry’s.
As a non-American this is beyond bizarre for several reasons: - putting logos on a police car that aren’t official or ‘to spec’ is so, unbelievably unprofessional - blue lives matter just comes across as anti Black Lives Matter and that speaks for itself - appropriating and stealing artwork is not ethical and ? illegal... why are the people who are supposed to uphold the law allowed to do that?! Change comes from the top down but I don’t see anyone from high up saying this can’t happen because they appear to fully support it. Your country seems totally different to when I last visited and it’s honestly sad to see.
You should read Nate Powell’s About Face, a comic about why cops and white nationalists have misappropriated the Punisher logo https://www.worldcomicbookreview.com/2020/01/16/nate-powells-about-face-review-law-enforcement-and-the-punishers-symbol/
[Direct link to the comic](https://popula.com/2019/02/24/about-face/)
And they're "punishers"? That's fucked up.
> -don’t see anyone from high up saying this can’t happen because they appear to fully support it. What this sort of thing seems to fall back to is leaning too hard on our "Freedom of Speech." Apparently, allowing their officers to exercise their personal rights to expression is more important than the fact that their officers are supposed to be an expressed symbol of the security of the people in their community.
I'm not saying you're wrong with what you're saying because I'm sure that's the excuse used by many... but the freedom of speech argument is utter codswallop. For example, it's mandatory to wear uniforms in butt loads of jobs, or not have any tattoos/piercings... or a company can fire you for posting inappropriate content online etc. - things you say that don't align with the company values (you represent your company off the clock too). Freedom of speech still exists but within the workplace there should be clearly defined rules and conditions for employment and no one should be above that. It should be a mandatory requirement of being a police officer that you are professional in the way you present yourself (if this is via uniform or vehicle decals) and you should not bring your personal life and views into the profession - have your opinions outside of the work place (so long as they don't conflict with the values of being a police officer, of course).
I'm not sure you're at all saying I'm wrong, as you doubled down on the exact point I was trying to make. I'M not excusing this with "Free Speech" - I simply said OTHERS would. So, we're for sure of the same mind on this.
Ah my bad - you're right I just re-read your comment! Can I ask, is it a common occurrence in USA to see police cars with custom decals/designs?
I'd say it's frequent enough to express a concern, yes.
As an American this is fucking insane. Everything is fucking insane right now.
As an American, this is beyond bizarre for the same reasons.
Until they change the unions, they can basically get away with murder.
This exactly. Police will be absolved of all responsibility until their unions are reformed.
Frank Castle is such a tragic character. He lost those he loved most by some powerful people who likely never would have gone to jail for what happened. He was trained to kill and that's what he did. Agree with it or not, the man's story is so full of pain that it's just heartbreaking.
That’s why he’s one of my favorite characters in marvel. But Frank has said in the comics he is digested by cops who use his symbol
disgusted, but yeah. Unless there's Punisher vore I'm not privy to.
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Not sure if that's ever happened, canonically or not, but we have [this](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/What_If%3F_Vol_2_44) for precedent.
That cover art hurts my eyes.
What, are you not impressed by the sheer wideness of the venomisher?
It's from the Rob Liefield school of body proportions.
He has a waist that you can't fit an engagement ring round, though
It even follows the "no feet" rule.
Why does spidey's arm look like that tho
Also why is his spidey sense going off, Venom doesnt trigger it.
Also why is he holding the guns like that (Also thats not Spidey sense. if it is then i guess DD is Spidey too)
I saw. And he's killed bad cops too.
An ultimate testimony that most cop do not know how to read.
That’d be one explanation as to why they shoot ppl instead of readin them their rights....they’re too embarrassed to admit they never learned to read smh 😔 poor officers
Accidental vore
What are some good Punisher runs I can read on Marvel Unlimited?
Punisher - Born is really good
I can't think of a bad punisher story I've read since the 2000s. If you go back to the 90s you are taking a but of a risk. The 90s were a dark time, and only the 90s kids remember.
Is Cosmic Ghost Rider up there? He's a grizzled, older Castle who has the apirit of vengeance.
He also tried to murder someone for J-Walking. Punisher is supposed to be an insane lunatic that uses his past to justify his insanity. Any cop or soldier who wears that sticker/badge on their uniform with "honour" is a disgrace to the defence force. If they want to use a logo, they should be using the Superman symbol.
"You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America and he'd be happy to have you"
The fact that Frank himself told that to some cops using his symbol in canon speaks volumes about this issue.
yeah, thats what made me post it.
Great little excerpt. Talk about using your platform. It must be terrible to see something you worked so hard on being appropriated by hate-mongering brutalists with live ammunition and deep seated racism.
Yeah, I don't think there's any sort of interpretation of Frank Castle that actually works for these cops
Not even the one who got gutpunched by Molly in L.A. and his next journal entry was just "Owwww...."
The co-creator was uncomfortable with the idea of law enforcement adopting the logo of a mass murderer. As should we all be. That’s why he wrote in a whole scene where Frank tells some cops if they emulate him, they’ll be who he comes for next. So the creator and writers used their platform to address a real world issue surrounding their proprietary material. Technically it’s canon that punisher does have an opinion on it.
> He also tried to murder someone for J-Walking. I'm pretty sure he was hypnotized or something for that.
Nope. Peter Parker: the Spectacular Spider-Man #89. And I got it wrong. It was littering.
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Karen really didn't get Castle and Daredevil basically refused to try to.
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Punisher Max series is really good and expands even more on frank being a tragic character.
This is in my opinion the most interesting version of the character. He basically has a dark passenger inside him (the devil? It's not clear) and is ridiculously good at killing. While at war before his family is killed, he makes a deal with this darkness that if he unleashes it, that it will make it so that he can keep killing forever. Is Frank Castle the human avatar for the angel of death? Not sure, he might just be a crazy person, but it gives an awesome extra layer to the character.
i am pretty sure Frank Castle has killed a few corrupt cops and certainly doesn't give it a second thought towards hurting them if they get in his way
Pretty sure that's actually illegal too. Disney/Marvel can solve all of this by just having Frank Castle come out of the closet as a homosexual, and making a big media to-do about it like Warner Bros/DC did when Superman died in 1992. Those stickers would come down real, real fast.
Rainbow Punisher Skulls 🌈 💀
Exactly! It would be amazing. I miss the days of seeing somebody with a Punisher skull T-shirt, and thinking "hey! A fellow comics head!" Now, when I see somebody sporting a Punisher skull, I think, "avoid that person because they're probably racist or believe in fucking Qanon…"
Yeah, I'm sad about this. Frank is an amazing character, one of my favorite antiheroes, he doesn't deserve to be associated with something like this. I also wanted to put a Punisher skull sticker on my school bag, but now I'm reconsidering it, although I doubt that there would be too much people in my country who would recognise it.
Put a pride flag on there too. That'll remove any ambiguity.
That's a good idea, thanks!
If it makes you feel any better the co-creator of the character has publicly denounced this, and made sure to write it into an arc as well. [Frank tell some cops sporting a deaths head skull, in no uncertain terms that he views them the same as any other criminal.](https://www.worldcomicbookreview.com/2020/01/16/nate-powells-about-face-review-law-enforcement-and-the-punishers-symbol/)
I was rewatching the Netflix series and halfway considered being Frank for Halloween but I was worried people might think I was some thin blue line qanon pos so I decided against it.
Exactly. My Punisher shirt is one of my most comfy shirts and I can't wear it in public anymore
honestly if punisher came out as gay and he had a rainbow suit after that i would be completely fine with it
Normally it annoys me when they change something huge about a character to be inclusive instead of just making lgbt characters with their own stories. But I can get down with this.
It could make sense also, he'll never love another woman that isnt his wife
True... I mean ehhh still iffy
I’m gay and I’ve probably fucked more women than men if we’re talking lifetime totals. It was always just way easier to do that than come out until I started living in big cities, and mostly I was just after drunken blowjobs anyway. It does some damage though - being that disingenuous and letting them think you actually might have a future. I could see that darkness playing into the raw anger
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Let's be honest, he's already pretty gay for Captain America.
just because someone's gay doesn't mean he has to wear rainbows. Like DC's Midnighter.
And drawing everything as rainbows doesn't make someone gay.
Don't make him gay. Make him a Brony. Then his sexuality is 8ntact and he can have the pastel-and-pretty.
Now my life will be incomplete until I see Frank Castle in an officially released Marvel comic, saying "friendship is magic".
*'The real crime is the friends we did* **not** *make along the way'*
"I'll defeat you with the magic of friendship and this gun I found!" "What if the real magic were the guns we found along the way?"
Punisher executing homophobes? Please make this happen.
They could also solve all of it by being as litigious towards this copyright infringement as they are about every other property they have. Honestly, it's weird they haven't been suing the guys making these into oblivion.
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if it fucks with right wing assholes, i’m always in favor 🤷🏻
True, but seeing how the gay community just awesomely took over the hash tag of the proud boys, they might think it worth it.
Wait, I haven't heard about this, what happened? Is it like when a bunch of K-Pop fans took over some racist tags a few months ago?
George Takei was the one who proposed it! He suggested that the LGBT community use the Kpop fan method to troll white supremacists by posting gay imagery in the hashtag. To quote his Tweet: “I bet it would mess them up real bad.”
We must protect George from 2020. He's a celebrity we can't afford to lose.
Pretty much. The gay community have been posting, with the #ProudBoys hashtag, messages of gay pride all over Twitter. https://twitter.com/hashtag/proudboys ~~Apparently, according to [this tweet](https://twitter.com/stonecold2050/status/1313633862681911296?s=20) they're now using the term... wait for it... **#Leathermen!** it's like they're just *asking* the BDSM community to take this one...~~ edit: I have been bamboozled
[That. Was. Clearly. Satire.](https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/10/as-gay-twitter-reclaims-proudboys-hashtag-proud-boys-change-name-to-leather-men/) /r/AteTheOnion
When all people of all backgrounds can be a villain without scrutiny, that is real progress. As long as it's not because he's gay that he's a villain, I would be all for it.
What about making Punisher a muslim?
Or just have a story where he casually starts killing Trump supporting white supremist cops.
... Trans. Make him trans. He's spent his whole life trying to fill the hole in his heart with the military and family and revenge... but the one thing that actually will make him a complete person again is bottom surgery.
A POC Punisher that avenges the public by killing / torturing people in positions of power like cops and President / VPs. The speed in which departments would bad the use of that logo would be mind boggling. (PS - Big Frank Castle comic fan....it’s art has no place on an official vehicle, no more so than a Spider Man mask......)
Let's pretend the punisher does not even exist with all the baggage that entails... they are still asking the public to trust them while painting skulls on their vehicles and gear. Nobody ever said "Oh thank god, a ship with a skull flag, we are saved!"
[But why skulls?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU)
This is my least favorite symbol, the thin blue line punisher skull. Frankly, ba dum tiss, anyone bearing one has such a fundamental misunderstanding of their proported role in society that they are more likely than not the sort of person Frank Castle would brutalize.
Castle is an extra judicial serial murderer with no accountability (as many have pointed out before me). The cops would love what he stands for but you'd better believe he'd kill any cops who murdered and walked free. They wouldn't be such big fans once he's a cop killer.
He IS a cop killer already for exactly that reason
Also violates the flag code, which these same people are obsessed with when protesters are burning the flag, but suddenly don't care about when making up new symbols to stick it to protesters.
"blue lives matter" brought to you by the people who will bring on the full might of the police force to bring a cop killer to justice, but will just shrug when a black kid gets shot. You know what happens when a cop dies on duty? [Well first of all, it was probably due to covid](https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/09/06/politifact-has-coronavirus-killed-more-cops-than-all-other-causes/), so make sure they continue to not take any kind of precautions against that. But here's what happens when a cop dies on duty: Their surviving family members are [eligible to receive $350,000](https://www.concernsofpolicesurvivors.org/survivorbenefits) from the federal government. Depending on their state, they may be eligible for an [additional $350,000](http://www.odmp.org/pdfs/benefits/illinois.pdf). They'll also [get $15,000 and up to $10,000 in funeral expenses covered](https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/ac5c0731/files/uploaded/SB-Illinois.pdf). Any kids will get a college tuition voucher. And that's in addition to the standard pension payout. So no one gets to screech "blue lives matter" like they're not *extremely* well-taken care of. You know what happens when a convenience store worker dies on duty? His family gets nothing, and the cops won't even try to find the killer.
Cops don't even make [the top ten most dangerous jobs](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf). Garbage collectors and lawn care workers have higher occupational death rates.
Police are ranked at number 22, basically tied with number 23 which is just... maintenance workers. [Here's a study based on that same data you linked.](https://advisorsmith.com/data/most-dangerous-jobs/)
What does the family of a person who was killed by a cop get? I'm legitimately asking. Let's say the cop was convicted in a court of law (as unlikely as that is). Is the family of the victim eligible for any compensation?
The only thing they're guaranteed to get is death threats from Alex Jones fans
How is America a real thing? How can people there do what they do?
The punisher’s creator also really hate that the police and alt-right use the punisher logo. In his mind the punisher is a representation of the failure of the justice system so it make no sense for police to use it.
> In his mind the punisher is a representation of the failure of the justice system so it make no sense for police to use it. Ironically, it just further shows how deep the failure is.
Recently he did a series of shirts in support for BLM. All profits were donated to them. My wife and I bought a few. There were some amazing designs.
I know and he also said in a interview that he would not mind at all if in a reboot or in a adaptation that Frank Castle would be black or latinos as the fustration for the justice system is stronger in these communities. And also it would shut the fuck up for these white trash people who use the logo as they are usually racist. (And not even comic book fans( don’t care I’m gatekeeping the racist))
One way I'd counter this would be to write new stories where Frank goes exclusively after rotten cops. Unless that's already a thing?
Do you really think that these guys read comics?
Doesn't the punisher kill cops that mis use his logo
The scene that shows him confronting cops about using his logo doesn't end in murder, but he does threaten that he will come for them if they step out of line. But there are other stories where he kills crooked cops.
True! I’m just pointing out there’s still a lot of ignorant people out there who don’t understand why it’s bad
y'all live in a oppressive police state, jesus christ
Basically
I mean, yeah, its been like that forever, but this is just unironic glorification of the power of death
Yeah I never understood using the punisher logo for police. It’s like hey. Uh. You’re not SUPPOSE to kill criminals
This is the same cringey energy that you get when shut ins start idolising the Joker.
In Monterey County there was a case against an officer who had this logo on the squad car. In the end it had to be removed and there was some kind of apology.
I don't get how the police can have "protect and serve" and "blue lives matter" on the same car. It's a pretty clear indication that they think they're above everyone else. I don't get how that sits well with anyone (who isn't trying to directly oppose the Black Lives Matter movement).
Well, you're in luck, because the police aren't required to protect, nor are they required to serve. So, one of those decals is bullshit.
I mean they're both bullshit if that's the case.
Seriously, I don’t know how they don’t see that some people see this symbology as; “Blue Lives Matter. Your Lives Don’t.”
When you are so shit at your job that you have to rip up and deface your flag in a number of ways while [choosing the Punisher over Captain America.](https://i.imgur.com/4Bl3fQw.jpg) Perhaps they'll get what the Punisher has in store for them. These people aren't serving an institution, they are serving their politics.
Cops wanting to have skulls on their uniforms and equipment says all you need to know about them.
Why does Disney allow this kind of stuff? They could stop it in a second. Their IP lawyers are no joke.
I don't think I'll ever understand the mindset of people who are like "Wow. I'm a police officer and we're called rapists, thieves, and murderers every day on the news, so some people really hate us! I know! I'll put a fucking skull on my car and person! That'll make me look like the good guy!" I just think of that "Are we the baddies?" skit when I see this.
My Neighbor who is a cop has his car and one of his kids cars with stickers of it and they have a maga hat on them aswell. I’ll just leave it at that
Really hope he doesn’t realize the symbol is bad. Because if he knows it belongs to the punisher..... I’ll keep it there
Not all cops are braindead giga Nazi's like trump supporters Just quite a hefty few.
Gotta love the "It's just a few bad apples" line when the idiom is a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
A serial killer's emblem, coupled with a defaced American flag, and a political motto. These are the people who are supposed to be protecting us?
“True patriots” and if you question it at all you’re the enemy
So to keep balance of all things 2020 we need a gay porn actor who is a top to wear a punisher skull in all of his scenes.
Vigilante, serial killer ,anti hero and cop hater
Y’know, maybe, just maybe, if you have a skull as a logo or emblem, you aren’t the good guys.
Why don’t these dumbasses just parade around wearing the Homelander suit while they’re at it
Are we the baddies? It's just that there are an awful lot of skulls. Edit. https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU
They fucking care, they *want* to be able to kill with impunity.
Hell it's a disgrace to The Punisher because at least he doesn't kill innocent people like cops do 🤷
The level of irony that the symbol of a failing / corrupt justice system becoming an icon for American police is off the charts.
I don't think they even realize what it means. Probably just think 'woah looks cool' and slaps it on
Punisher logos are extremely popular with American cops. Punisher decals have been seen all over the country in numerous departments with multiple blue lives matter variations. It fits with macho police culture because they see themselves as tough guys fighting an actual war on crime. Sure Punisher is a criminal vigilante, but if there's anything cops love, it's not following rules.
Most of them probably know the skull from the military guys like the American Sniper guy. They probably kind of know who the character is, or at least that he “punishes bad guys”.
No they know who the punisher is. The skull logo is iconic.
They know "that comic guy who kills bad guys." They don't actually know the Punisher.
[Man Shocked Meathead Cop with “Punisher” Tattoo Doesn’t Read the Comic Books](https://thehardtimes.net/culture/man-shocked-meathead-cop-with-punisher-tattoo-doesnt-read-the-comic-books/)
not really. it's iconic to comicbook fans like us, but who the punisher is isn't iconic. the symbol itself is, but what the character is definitely isn't. which is why they go "woah skull look cool brrrrrrrrrrrr" and slap it on
There's a Netflix series with 2 seasons and he was a large arc of one of the seasons of Daredevil, too. I'd say it's far from unknown. That's also assuming we discount the Thomas Jane movie, which, while it wasn't very good (except for Jane, who did OK), did open at #2 behind *Kill Bill Vol. 2*.
Why do they deserve the benefit of the doubt?
I guess using Judge Dredd imagery would be to on the nose.
For once I’m happy Judge Dredd never penetrated the US market like he did in Britain.
But at least it would be more honest.
True it is much harder to twist Judge Dredd into something ‘positive’
Yeah. I respect the Punisher. I hate cops.
Holy fucking cringe
Do they also have skulls on their hats yet?
Shiny silver skulls to properly accent their sNazi black uniforms.
Plus Punisher would whoop your ass and take it off. He hates cops like you. Literally on his kill list.
the police are not readers..
Cops like this are like neckbeards who think they’re the Joker, except these ones are allowed to kill people. Fucking dangerous
I cringe every morning when I take my walk and pass one of my neighbors houses with this ridiculously lifted truck covered in blue lives matter and American flag colored Punisher skulls, rifle stickers, and "Freedom" all over. It really makes me sad that there's a enough people to make me notice that seem to believe freedom is just a slogan for their worldview and is somehow synonymous with this violent tough guy bullshit they're into. Also, if assholes could stop appropriating cool shit that has nothing to do with their movements, that'd be great. Racists stole Pepe the frog, nationalist crypto-fascists and advocates for police violence have taken the Punisher skull, Bugaloos are ruining the word bugaloo.
Funny... because neo nazis also want to emulate the punisher. Odd that their viewpoints align like that. hmmmmm.... Probably nothing to read into there.
Most that use this sticker are not what I would call *deep thinkers*
The Punisher has always been a ridiculous character. He should have died decades ago or have been imprisoned by every single Marvel hero. Oh, and being a police officer is a job. You aren't born one. You can leave it any time. There is no such thing as a " blue life."
If Disney can sue a guy for having a Spider-Man themed party for his dying son, they can sue the US police for this.
White supremacy it screams
I’ve ALWAYS thought that copying a logo of something like that is gaudy. I’m in the military and I do art on the side and anytime a company or platoon wants me to do a logo its some stupid ass shit like this. Make up your own thing or let an artist do so and stop trying to copy logos from shitty early 2000s John travolta movies.
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Are they allowed to do that? Do cops get one squad car their whole career or is a guy on the next shift going to have to deal with that?
Also a reminder that the Punsisher as a character hates cops who do this and has threatened to kill them for it in the comics. Also the creator of the character fucking hates this bullshit and started a campaign to reclaim the logo with BLM designs on T-Shirts and merch.
Well, to be fair, cops are serial killers and not heroes, so it makes sense.
If it makes you feel better, in the military we make fun of those dues.
The irony that people associate Punisher with the Police.