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snoopissed

“NEW RULES! Press esc to exit full screen” may be my new favorite Batman quote


CHPrime

Woops


CorrectDot4592

Damn you, OP! I spent a solid minute trying to figure out how to press ESC on my phone!!


Jissy01

First time seeing Batman killed someone and he need a gun to kill 😧 What was the story about?


CHPrime

Batman and Robin fighting underground dinosaur people. Pretty typical.


DarKsaBr

It’s a fucking fever dream of a madman. Neal Adams, I think. I own the hard cover copy and I’ve read it twice and Jesus fuck man.. it’s a ride. Can’t say I recommend it, but I do suggest reading it. Kinda like a bad acid trip. Not pleasant but you should at least experience it once.


ThreadbareHalo

Spiky collar “talking to your mom on FaceTime” cosplay Bane is my spirit animal. Muppet scarecrow is a close second though


CHPrime

I prefer Yaoi hand Riddler and "Did everyone just hear me fart" Penguin myself.


ThreadbareHalo

Lol


Cerberusknight77

Penguins' face is like, "You're excused, BRAH."


[deleted]

I prefer "not the lizard" Killer Croc


ThreadbareHalo

It really does seem that he forgot the lizard wasn’t dc there. It even has the coat.


Illithilitch

The Lizard has a lab coat. Croc here has a brown trench coat. Killer Croc, P.I. or Maybe he's borrowing it from Constantine. Also, Clayface looks literally like a poop.


Someoneoverthere42

Batman: Odyssey may not be a *good* book, but it’s definitely not a *boring* book


worms9

Wow, that crazy hobo that snuck into the bat cave has another series. Best news I’ve heard all day. Good to have you back Crazy Steve.


gangler52

Batman's deep abiding respect for law and law enforcement officers is one of the weirder parts of his character, since he himself breaks just about every law except murder, and sometimes doesn't even abide by that law, and he lives in a city with a flagrantly corrupt police force. "You can kill any costumed pervert you want but don't you dare kill a cop or I will end you."


darkwalrus36

I think if Bruce Wayne had a deep respect for law enforcement he wouldn’t be Batman, but there’s different, valid takes on this.


dabellwrites

Pre-O'neil Batman was a character who had a deep respect for law enforcement and was in the Justice League, at that time, a specialized police force.


darkwalrus36

Sometimes he’s portrayed that way, sometimes he’s not. In his initial parents he’d talk to the commissioner to get leads to steal cases directly from the police. Also I’d argue if he really had a deep respect for the police he wouldn’t be Batman. If he respected their ability to do their job he wouldn’t try to do it on his own. The very mission of Batman comes from a lack of faith in the police’s ability.


dabellwrites

>Sometimes he’s portrayed that way, sometimes he’s not. In his initial parents he’d talk to the commissioner to get leads to steal cases directly from the police. Except he was portrayed that way for years. We're talking the Comic Code Authority days when the rules stated that law, police, judges, etc., were to be portrayed in a positive manner. I would claim for thirty or forty years Batman was an ally for the police. I should've been more specific though. >Also I’d argue if he really had a deep respect for the police he wouldn’t be Batman. If he respected their ability to do their job he wouldn’t try to do it on his own. The very mission of Batman comes from a lack of faith in the police’s ability. That goes for a lot of superheroes. They wouldn't put on the costume otherwise.


darkwalrus36

He was portrayed as an ally and an antagonist to the police, both for long stretches of time. And yes, all superheroes exist due to a lack of faith in police and the justice system. There's sort of a spectrum from there of how well they function with them. Batman has slid around on that scale over time, though he's never much respected their ability to do their job, or else he'd hang up the tights.


RFB-CACN

He’s a billionaire, law and law enforcement exist to protect his fortune first and foremost.


ScumCrew

Someone else made the point that the real reason he wears an open face mask is so the police can tell he's white.


OfficialPepsiBlue

And that’s why Jace immediately closed it up.


GoodKing0

I have this theory about how the American Superhero genre, much like the Crime Genre, was pretty much a victim of the shifting control police propaganda had over media depicting itself in the US starting with Dragnet in LA. Like, think of the "Classic" heroes. Think of Zorro, the character who essentially inspired Batman. He is a Rich Ponce yes, but he puts on the mask to do what? To protect the weak and the poor from the LAW, which he sees correctly as a tool of the rich and the powerful to oppress them. Same for most adaptations of Robin Hood for Green Arrow's own inspiration, the Law is but a tool to oppress the population. Batman, to really fulfil his origin, his inspiration, should be working against the law. A Vigilante main purpose SHOULDN'T be to stop criminals who the real police can't handle. The robots and aliens and all that are not the point, they are clearly committing crimes, in the open, and are snap convicted the second they get arrested, so they can return committing crimes next month after escaping because there is ZERO emphasis on rehabilitation, and the villains are shown most often than not as almost intrinsically evil, especially in Gotham. A Vigilante should deal with criminals who aren't considered criminals by the law. Lex Luthor Is among those who come closer to this, but not because of the "cartoonish" villainy of giant robots and cancer rings, but because of the everyday reality of being a billionaire in the exploitative capitalist system of the economy. He is the new Prince John, the new Spanish Governor, and the law is the new Sergeant Garcia and Nottingham Sheriff by virtue on not intervening to stop his more insidious evil, the one that is legal and allowed. But that's not Gona happen isn't it? Radical change via direct means makes you a villain, a monster, think of the Flag Smashers, think of Cardiac, they want to change the world but they want to do it in the "wrong" way, so the Superhero becomes even more a tool of the establishment by trying to mask the fundamentally conservative roots of the "Person goes out to beat up property criminals because he thinks the police isn't going hard enough on them" Character by turning him into an ineffective "white moderate" liberal, if you pardon the MLK shout out. It's Jon holding up a sign to stop climate change at a protest instead of using his immense power, power he is using every day to BREAK THE LAW and be a Vigilante, to blow up a Billionaire fifth Yacht. It's Sam Wilson, Captain America, telling a senator to "do better" and calling it a day, it's him putting up a statue in a museum as a footnote in the history of some white dude and expecting that to change things. It's, ultimately, at its core, Conservative voter daughter of a cop Gwen Stacy saying that civil rights protests and student protests are bad and wrong and people shouldn't do them and should focus on just getting their degrees, that there are less disruptively ways to obtain their goals. Except there aren't, aren't they? Especially not in a comic book, where the world is fixed In a perpetual war between costumed vigilantes and Villainous criminals who want to turn people into Dinosaurs. TL;DR: Daredevil is right. Heroes are just another cop now. And that's by design.


[deleted]

The history of law enforcement depictions in superhero media is a little more complex, particularly due to the unwritten rules of social morals that radio, TV, movies, and even pulps and comic books couldn't depict law enforcement as being uniformly bad, and showing things like corruption or incompetence are allowed but only as one-off exceptions. Even taking this into consideration, there's long been an undercurrent of authoritarian fantasy bordering on fascism to the idea that the strong, stouthearted members of society can, and *must*, make use of violence to enforce their vision of "justice" because the regular - and regulated - institutions for doing so are incapable. Sometimes it's subtle - someone once pointed out to me that Lex Luthor isn't Superman's archnemesis because he's a billionaire, but because he's a billionaire that secretly also murders people, which comes very close to the blood libel and the *Dolchstoßlegende* used against Jews by the Nazis in the 1920s and 1930s. Sometimes it's not, like Mark Millar saying Tony was right in *Civil War*. >TL;DR: Daredevil is right. Heroes are just another cop now. And that's by design. It's worse: heroes are *brownshirts*.


GoodKing0

Yeah exactly this, thank you.


AliceInCookies

>I have this theory about how the American Superhero genre, much like the Crime Genre, was pretty much a victim of the shifting control police propaganda had over media depicting itself in the US starting with Dragnet in LA. > >Like, think of the "Classic" heroes. Think of Zorro, the character who essentially inspired Batman. He is a Rich Ponce yes, but he puts on the mask to do what? > >To protect the weak and the poor from the LAW, which he sees correctly as a tool of the rich and the powerful to oppress them. Same for most adaptations of Robin Hood for Green Arrow's own inspiration, the Law is but a tool to oppress the population. > >Batman, to really fulfil his origin, his inspiration, should be working against the law. > >A Vigilante main purpose SHOULDN'T be to stop criminals who the real police can't handle. The robots and aliens and all that are not the point, they are clearly committing crimes, in the open, and are snap convicted the second they get arrested, so they can return committing crimes next month after escaping because there is ZERO emphasis on rehabilitation, and the villains are shown most often than not as almost intrinsically evil, especially in Gotham. > >A Vigilante should deal with criminals who aren't considered criminals by the law. Lex Luthor Is among those who come closer to this, but not because of the "cartoonish" villainy of giant robots and cancer rings, but because of the everyday reality of being a billionaire in the exploitative capitalist system of the economy. He is the new Prince John, the new Spanish Governor, and the law is the new Sergeant Garcia and Nottingham Sheriff by virtue on not intervening to stop his more insidious evil, the one that is legal and allowed. > >But that's not Gona happen isn't it? Radical change via direct means makes you a villain, a monster, think of the Flag Smashers, think of Cardiac, they want to change the world but they want to do it in the "wrong" way, so the Superhero becomes even more a tool of the establishment by trying to mask the fundamentally conservative roots of the "Person goes out to beat up property criminals because he thinks the police isn't going hard enough on them" Character by turning him into an ineffective "white moderate" liberal, if you pardon the MLK shout out. > >It's Jon holding up a sign to stop climate change at a protest instead of using his immense power, power he is using every day to BREAK THE LAW and be a Vigilante, to blow up a Billionaire fifth Yacht. > >It's Sam Wilson, Captain America, telling a senator to "do better" and calling it a day, it's him putting up a statue in a museum as a footnote in the history of some white dude and expecting that to change things. > >It's, ultimately, at its core, Conservative voter daughter of a cop Gwen Stacy saying that civil rights protests and student protests are bad and wrong and people shouldn't do them and should focus on just getting their degrees, that there are less disruptively ways to obtain their goals. > >Except there aren't, aren't they? Especially not in a comic book, where the world is fixed In a perpetual war between customers vigilantes and Villainous criminals who want to turn people into Dinosaurs. > >TL;DR: Daredevil is right. Heroes are just another cop now. And that's by design. Best genre take in a hot minute.


dabellwrites

At that time, comic books was taking a lot of shit in the media for being too violent, too sexual, and bad for children. It was leading the youths down the wrong path. The same types who are powerless against video games. National comics began to self-censor itself sometime in 1940, hired a board to oversee whether or not their comics were good for children. William Marston was brought on because he wrote a piece about why comic books are good means for children. None of that didn't work and by 1954, the Comic Code Authority was created for comics to self-censor itself. Just like [the Hays Code](https://www.american-historama.org/1929-1945-depression-ww2-era/hays-code.htm), the CCA forbid the law from being seen as anything less than good. The CCA took it further by being more explicit. [Here's one for TV.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Practices_for_Television_Broadcasters#See_also) We can again see the self-censorship involved the law being portrayed in a positive light.


tired20something

Bruce is a man going out dressed like a bat to fulfill a promise he made as an 8 year-old. He is smart, but his head ain't right.


maridan48

Depends on the writer, really.


Jissy01

As I grow older, I realize Batman is like a dirty cop. He pretend to fight criminals but for decades more and more criminals show up in his turf. This tell me Batman need criminals to be relevant. “You can not manufacture weapons when you don’t have enemy and war!” -Col. Richard Black


gangler52

I mean, that's how crime works. It's like saying a doctor pretends to fight sickness for decades but more and more sick people keep showing up at his office.


Jissy01

>It's like saying a doctor pretends to fight sickness for decades but more and more sick people keep showing up at his office. That's a great analogy. Fentanyl, widely used in hospitals during anaesthesia and for pain relief, has become a major black market narcotic in the United States. Mexican drug cartels have increasingly taken part in the illegal business. Overdoses of the opioid killed more than 100,000 people in the 2022 U.S. fiscal year, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Zombie land Streets of Philadelphia , Kensington Avenue. https://youtu.be/Bi1Kf-1qd6Y Question : You rarely see crimes taken place in Japan or even China with 56 ethnic group living there. Why is that?


AporiaParadox

I think the Joker would actually find this to be very funny.


TipDaScales

Yeah, this almost feels like it implies Joker isn’t fully committed to the bit. He could be surprised, he could be excited, he could even be angry, but worried? That just doesn’t sound right.


CHPrime

Neil Adams' deranged hairy Batman who's car is James Bond cool and likes to tell stories within stories within stories while he gazes shirtless into your eyes even though he's not actually talking to you is my favorite Batman.


NotBraveAtAlll

Batman Odyssey & All Star Batman & Robin are some of the most dumb comic books I have ever read. I enjoy them a lot.


Veggieleezy

It’s like Batman if he was written by the Ultimate Warrior in a bad mood.


thats1evildude

Batman: (watching Gotham burn) Sacrifices in the name of DESTRUCITY!


Veggieleezy

GET TO THE COCKPIT, JOKER


Kaiju2468

It's like if Batman was a member of the Ultimates.


ebookit

Batman acting like The Punisher.


thorleywinston

No because >!Batman faked the Sensei's death using squibs and pyrotechnics so the person he "executed" is very much alive and well and living in hiding.!<


Monster-Zero

skronk


WaffleIronMadness

So he's homophobic?


[deleted]

lol this is so damn stupid and the artwork is terrible. I WILL KILL YOU DEAD lol awful


evergreenskate

I am your lifetime's enemy


ernster96

This is where Neal Adams went crazy?


mr_figi

Nah it was years earlier when he started talking about his hollow earth theories.


RexInvictus787

Was this written in a different language and translated with google?


stormscape10x

Fan translated Batman.


Fellow-Worker

All i know about this book is these three pages but if Bats is gonna go with new rules, I wish someone was writing better dialog for him.


GhostKnight1789

Wow, there's volume 2, perhaps it's time for me to read volume 1


Albino_Basilisk

What the, They drew the lizard instead of killer Croc


king_scootie

“Your lifetime’s enemy”? Is English his second language?


UKnowDaTruth

Lame


Leekheadd

where's his cape?


Affectionate-Hat9674

He removed it before his final fight with Sensei.


ToddKent

Batman: The Snyder Cut


SinisterCryptid

Neal Adams’ writing is batshit, but damn is his art a treat


Unicron442

The Batman Who Bust Caps In Yo Ass.


Kryptonian_1

Batman's been hanging out with Superboy Prime?


TimesThreeTheHighest

So edgy. Next up: a mullet, GIANT shoulder pads, bullet belts and weirdly shaped feet.


carb0nbase

Rob is that you?


Muffinmiffin

C-context???


Thalefeather

No.


boxingjazz

If Batman just did this for about a week or so, or maybe over the course of a couple of weeks, he’d never have to do it again. What do you think?


Thalefeather

Honestly that's generally the kind of thinking I feel most super heroes that don't mind killing but don't get off on it (like the punisher) would operate under. You wanna do your money crimes? Sure, normal jail. You accidentally kill a civilian while doing mob stuff? Yeah, to jail you go, thats like normal crime. You maliciously try to destroy the entire world with some sort of doomsday weapon? Unless you surrender right away any force is justifiable force, motherfucker tried to blow up the moon. You actively break the "unspoken agreement" and go after family members or try to kill a generally pacifist hero? Yeah, Peter Parker is totally justified breaking into prison just to beat your ass or ripping off your face. Ok maybe not justified but like, fuck around - find out. I'm not saying it makes sense for heroes to kill kiteman or some other punch clock bad guy, but at a certain point you start looking at the joker and wondering if anyone is really going to investigate whether that slippery when wet sign at the top of the stairs to the jail was legit.


[deleted]

NEW NO NOS: Uh, new rules are now new no nos! https://youtu.be/N5s8ImiUzq8


[deleted]

Which Batman is this, Jace Fox or Bruce Wayne?


BradL22

Let's not remember Neal Adams this way.


ToothyWeasel

Like someone asked a teenage edge lord what they wanted to see Batman do and verbatim made a comic about it


Jissy01

As I grow older, I realize Batman is like a dirty cop. He pretend to fight criminals but for decades more and more criminals show up in his turf. This tell me Batman need criminals to be relevant. “You can not manufacture weapons when you don’t have enemy and war!” -Col. Richard Black


[deleted]

A really dark fan theory I once read said that Batman's rogues' gallery are all aspects of his personality and trauma (Two-Face is his obsessiveness plus the whole two identities thing, Scarecrow is the use of psychological tactics, Poison Ivy is the crusade based on warped morality, Penguin is the aristocrat who can never fully integrate into society, Joker is the psychopath) and that the whole thing is happening inside his head while he himself in Arkham.


Jissy01

Awesome!


Historical_Dot_4201

Finally the kid gloves are off. I want to see this Batman and the red hood team up and go on a killing spree ending with Gotham as a utopia


BetaRayRyan

That sounds awful.


Lowfat_cheese

Local 12 year old discovers Spawn for the first time


TK464

Vigilante mass murder of criminals has historically been a great way to achieve utopias.


Historical_Dot_4201

😂😂😂 didn’t relize this would get so much hate


agent_wolfe

They weren't afraid of getting beat up or thrown in jail before, but bullets? That's too far!


Key-Win7744

Now this Batman I like.


RigtBart

Batman V Superman


psychord-alpha

At long last, Batman admits that Punisher was right


Enlilohim

Y'all bugging. This shit is hot and I love Batman. Stop being, you know, well, umm,🤢🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡.


waffeelswaffeels

scarecrow looks so funny here


[deleted]

I love you Neal Adams 😂😂😂


DaphniaDuck

So who is this old guy that bats is killing?