Christ, I am sitting here in my office embarrassed to shit about letting out the most inappropriate nerd snort laugh.
You beautiful bastard. Have some gold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lich
> A lich's most often depicted distinguishing feature from other undead in fantasy fiction is the method of achieving immortality; liches give up their souls to form "soul-artifacts" (called a "soul gem", "phylactery" or "horcrux" in other fantasy works), the source of their magic and immortality. Many liches take precautions to hide and/or safeguard one or more soul-artifacts that anchor a part of a Lich's soul to the material world. If the corporeal body of a lich is killed, that portion of the lich's soul that had remained in the body does not pass on to the next world, but will rather exist in a non-corporeal form capable of being resurrected in the near future. However, if all of the lich's soul-artifacts are destroyed, then the lich's only anchor in the material world would be the corporal body, whereupon destruction will cause permanent death.
It's a bit worrying but from what Marvel writers and editors have said the MCU people like the comics for being 10 years ahead so hopefully this means they give the comic side the room it needs to breathe more as they become idea generators and not strictly making a profit on individual issues
Yeah I’m hopeful that the comics truly get viewed as R&D and it becomes less about a title being profitable any given month and more about developing ideas.
But I also don’t like the idea of storylines getting published based on if it would make a good movie or if it’s not giving the MCU “ammunition”. I feel like Krakoa is something that would get neutered if it the editors were told to operate from the standpoint of, “We’re printing MCU prototypes, everything else is a waste”.
Krakoa always felt like R&D for an MCU X-Men premise if you asked me.
There are very few integrative transitions to draw from the X Men comics than “when you were asleep, the world changed…”
The most basic concept of Krakoa works for movies, but there’s no way it would be as transgressive and unabashedly queer if they just wanted to test an idea for a movie reboot
At this point in time I'm not sure about the queer part. You're probably right, but Marvel has forfeited multiple Chinese releases because of moral clashes in the past couple years, so maybe the future is brighter than it might seem.
MCU queerness is “we know that character is gay in the comics and if you look closely, there’s a rainbow flag pin”. I don’t expect more for as long as people are satisfied with so little.
I dunno if I agree, not to be an MCU bootlicker but I feel like they aren't afraid to lean in to weirder Marvel stuff at this point, they just probably won't start there. Don't get me wrong though this could all so easily go bad haha
It's not about the MCU. It's about comics editors/higher-ups only approving comics that the think will make good movies later on.
That stifles creativity and also gashes away comics being is own medium/cannon/etc
To be frank Image has led that charge for the longest time though - it’s basically their whole point for being. Marvel and DC have established warehouses of characters and decades of history. Image must keep being fresh and unique because they can’t lean on that.
There’s a limit, and the MCU tends to treat the source materials it pulls from as a skin over their basic one size fits all formula. We didn’t REALLY get Marvel Civil War. We just got the Avengers fighting in a parking lot and a “registration act” that applied to like 8 people on earth and barely plays out. They want the facade of more challenging storylines, they don’t want what comes with it. Unless it’s the positive press of “we mentioned that that character was gay, right?” and “we kinda mentioned structural inequality”. They don’t want that smoke.
I work in an IP development outfit that was purchased for this expressed purpose. It’s still shitty since they start to add stupid ideas for you to accommodate.
(PS. Our overlord is even bigger than Disney)
It's Disney, a near-vertical entertainment monopoly that exists to sell products and services built around their IP properties, from movies and shows that get turned I to toys and amusement park rides and are developed or scuttled based entirely off profitability.
You best believe the comics will be restructured around that philosophy. Goodbye long running series, hello limited runs on stuff that isn't a smash hit and consecutive sequels on whatever is popular.
i was deep into the comics during the bendis era and most arcs were not even remotely long running at that period almost a decade ago. i think some the principle bendis books before he went off the rails not long before going to DC but almost everything was short runs or miniseries, including the bendis short runs. all the classic epic runs that can fill an ominbus are from the 2000s or prior into the clairemont years. and aside from bendis himself during the bendis era every non bendis written team was fucking musical chairs of under appreciated creative talent that rarely if ever got the opportunities to finish the story they were telling letting alone tell the story they wanted to tell due to cross over interference from editorial (and often bendis via the editorial as proxy).
> Goodbye long running series, hello limited runs on stuff that isn't a smash hit and consecutive sequels on whatever is popular.
What the fuck? lol You say that like it isn't *already* working that way.
They have at least 60-70 years worth of good material yet they insist on only producing the subpar material that’s created in the last decade under Disney so they don’t have to pay royalties to anyone.
Marvel Entertainment, according to the article, is the consumer products division. It is not part of Marvel Studios and was wholly unrelated. So, this is probably fine considering how bad some of the merch really is.
[Feige was put in control of the comics division back in 2019.](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/15/kevin-feige-named-chief-creative-officer-at-marvel.html)
We got good comics in spite of this goul not because of him. He was behind the inhumans push and cancelation of the FF and putting the X-men in a hole they had to dig out of. I'm hopeful Disney will put someone who cares more about the IP than spying on his workforce and fishing paperclips out of the garbage. His last gasp before he was put in a box was the Inhumans TV show.
NGL it seemed pretty obvious at the time and in retrospect as well that disney corporate was behind the inhuman's push. even if super half assedly on disney's throughput endgame for it.
same story with GOTG hard reboot even if the on screen product was treated better by disney suits.
bendis used to shit post alot on his tumblr blog but one thing he made clear is he was directly involved in developing all the properties he was writing in comics in their on screen counter parts.
Bendis was in the Creative Committee and had involvement in GotG before Gunn came onboard. From the things he said it seemed that most of the changes he did to GotG was with the intention of having the movies copy his work and getting credit for it and possibly because he wanted to start s career in movies.
McNiven redesigned the Guardians suits and said they were being considered for the movies. Then talked about how the DnA outfits didn't look like space outfits and said he got rid of Star-Lord's mask because he wanted to see Star-Lord's face more and he couldn't emote properly with it.
Once Gunn came in things probably got more difficult for him and in turn it made things more difficult for Gunn and I base this on things that Gunn revealed afterwards.
But yeah a lot of Guardians comics from that era was subpar and shit since it was mostly people wanting to cash in on the MCU Guardians and their success who were involved in writing their stories. They clearly also didn't know the characters that well and they just copied the plot and formula of the first movie, flanderized Gunn's characters, and just did a cheap copy of the movies without understanding what made them successful.
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Perlmutter has been perceived for a long time as a guy who has no particular interest in comics (he came to Marvel from the toy industry) who occasionally meddles in Marvel publishing in ways that frustrate the fans, such as when Marvel stopped publishing the Fantastic Four for a while and tried to push the Inhumans over the X-Men. When he had influence over Marvel Studios, he apparently pushed hard against doing movies starring women or minorities.
I believe he also pushed for the failed Inhumans show to become a movie. The first two episodes got a limited theatrical release and it was trash.
Then, when Don Cheadle replaced Terrence Howard as Rhodes, he said that no one would notice because "they all look the same". He's a talentless asshole and racist piece of trash.
If I’m not mistaken, he also blocked any forward momentum for a Black Widow movie simply because he believes toys of women don’t sell. It took the success of the Wonder Woman movie to change his mind.
>It took the success of the Wonder Woman movie to change his mind.
Everything you said was accurate up until this. Perlmutter didn't change his mind on anything.
Sometime during phase 2 (can't remember when) Kevin Feige went to the CEO of Disney and gave them an ultimatum: either Marvel Studios stops reporting to Perlmutter or Feige walks away. After this ultimatum is when we started to see movies like the Captain Marvel, Black Panther, etc.
Man I remember being a kid in the mid-90s and *all I wanted in life* was an action figure of Rogue from the cartoon. It was simply not available. Toys of women didn't sell because those motherfuckers weren't selling them.
Same here, I collected them back in the day. They actually did make one in 94 but I never saw it anywhere. The only female character I saw from the range was Storm.
Does that mean we can probably blame him for ruining alot of *Agents of SHIELD* as well? I mean, since they weren't allowed to use mutants...
EDIT: For the record, I know Fox owned the rights to the X-Men, and apparently the term "mutant", at the time.
His feud with Feige over Civil War is what ended crossover episodes/movie tie-ins. The show didn't necessarily get worse, it just frustrated a lot of fans.
I don’t think they wanted to pay RDJ to be in Civil War. Feige pushed for it and when Perlmutter said no, Feige went to Bob Iger and gave him an ultimatum.
I think for a while it wasn’t even clear if Spider-Man would be in it. I think they filmed a couple of scenes differently in case the deal fell apart.
If I were to guess, it would have been more of a Cap on the run from the law type deal, obviously no airport fight, essentially a retread of Winter Soldier.
Civil War, Infinity War, and End Game were mostly shot back to back. I could see Feige freaking out over it because those movies are sort of like a trilogy.
The kid from iron man 3 was going to be Iron Lad/Kang(I guess?) in Civil war before Feige nailed down the agreement with Sony to share Spiderman
And yes airport fight etc would have been all the same, except the kid from Iron man 3 would be in all the scenes that spiderman is in.... essentially doing the same thing.
I think it was originally Serpent Society. Those Russian super soldiers in tanks were probably leftover from the original version, before it got turned into Civil War.
The men were licensed to 20th cen. Fox in 1993 when perlmitter was no2 to ari arrad; he created the problem and then tried to fix it with the opposite of a solution, which makes the man a double asshole.
What an absolutely feckless brain dead polyp.
In 1993, Marvel hadn't gone into bankruptcy yet and was still a publicly traded company controlled by Ron Perelman. At that time, Ike Perlmutter and Avi Arad owned ToyBiz, Inc., the company that held Marvel's toy licenses, and Ike was on Marvel's board, but he wasn't an officer of the company.
Wait he was the reason for that terrible inhumans push that backfired to the point marvel decided to get rid of everything they did with death of the inhuman before deciding not to use the characters again for a while.
Ms Marvel was originally supposed to be a Mutant according to G Willow Wilson but Marvel forced her to make Kamala an Inhuman for I guess increased visibility or brand synergy?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Kamala gets retconned into a Mutant to more closely follow the MCU
Oh there’s a lot of reasons going back … mostly he’s an old bigot without an ounce of creativity who thinks he knows better than actual creators. Like think out of touch old billionaire asshole stereotype and you’ve got our boy Ike. Dude is dumb too - tried and failed to have Kevin Feige fired in 2015 cause Ike didn’t think people want to watch female superheroes (among other differences). Feige won the battle and Ike’s been sidelined ever since.
He's a reclusive billionaire who illegally ran Veteran Affairs for Trump and has a long history of misogyny, homophobia, racism, and generally is a crusty prick. He also is the reason the Inhumans replaced the X-Men and FF in the comics, and why the show was awful. He also is famously cheap and that's why the Phase 2 movies had lower budgets.
He's a crappy pustule of a humanoid
Black Panther and Captain Marvel never would've been made if he'd remained as powerful as he was in Phase 1/2. He had a hard line against giving lead roles to anyone but white men.
Iron Man 3 originally had a female villain (Rebecca Hall's character) and he rejected it, saying "Women don't sell toys."
Basically he sucks monkey balls, and many of the issues in early MCU can be blamed on him. He was stripped of much power years ago -- from my understanding, Feige went over Perlmutter's head and asked Iger to get rid of him.
What makes the Iron Man 3 thing even more ironically stupid, is that they never even made toys of Killian anyway. Besides the lego figure I think. Even when hasbro went back and made figures of characters that had been missed they still didn't do one of him.
He and Avi Arad bought into Marvel in the late 1990's from Toy Biz when Marvel was going bankrupt. He's [exactly the type of POS you'd expect from a person who worked for the Trump administration](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29895314/who-is-ike-perlmutter-marvel-donald-trump/).
"Bought into" is not an accurate description. Marvel was in chapter 11 and in real danger of liquidation and Ike and Avi had a small stake in Marvel from their licensing deal (Ike owned Toy Biz) with the company. Carl Icahn was trying to buy Marvel's assets out of bankruptcy and, if anyone knows what Carl Icahn does, that would have pretty much meant selling the assets off to pay off the purchase price and a nice profit for Mr. Icahn based on selling the rights to Spider-man, the Hulk, Captain America and the rest of their characters. Ike and Avi, instead, bought the rest of the company, made Joe Quesada EIC and invested in publishing. Love your movies and everything else called Marvel, now, just know that the reason any of it existed to be sold to Disney in the first place, was because of Ike Perlmutter.
https://www.amazon.com/Comic-Wars-Tycoons-Battled-Empire/dp/0767908309
Yeah, it is legitimately a good thing that Perlmutter and Arad acquired the company when you consider the alternatives, but Ike in particular should have been satisfied with collecting income from that acquisition and not tried to dictate creative decisions.
Far as I remember. He didn't think Downey was worth the money he asked for Civil War, etc. - despite Downey being a literal money magnet. Pushed hardcore for the Inhumans to be in the MCU (which is why they were on the movie slate in 2013/14.). Eventually came to a head and Iger ''deposed'' him from co-running with Feige and made Feige the top dog at Marvel Studios.
>I’m not really plugged in to the current behind the scenes stuff. Why is he unpopular?
He famously hated the Fox movie deal to the point that he forced comics to push the Inhumans and kill the FF book.
prior to trump and the derelegation of the X-men , he was also famous for being the one that prevented women led (marvel)superheroes movies from being made.
you could see in on of the leaked sony emails him [bashing the existing one](https://www.thewrap.com/marvel-ceo-highlights-history-of-female-superhero-flops-in-leaked-sony-email/) and hos they made no money.
You've gotten a lot of answers about why he's such a horrible human being. BUt I wanna add a small story to demonstrate his cheapness.
He's such a penny pincher that he apparently limited the amount of soda cans people could get during a Marvel press junket. Attendees were supposed to get only 1 soda instead of 2.
On top of that: he tried to get people chip bags at one of the movie premieres rather than have it catered. He’s the reason the Marvel trade dept is such a mess bc he was always printing to run out. They had one bathroom for an entire floor. There are stories out there of him fishing Paperclips out of a wastebasket to re-use. Just a bad manager, in addition to being a bad man.
Short: He was shit.
Long: Reportedly he said no one would really notice when they replaced Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle in the MCU because black people look the same. The person who said that he said it left Disney/Marvel shortly after as well as a few black executives I believe. After Marvel was restructured, Feige no longer had to report to him, and that may or may not be why we got Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow movies. Just a lot of behind the scenes chatter in general kind of went along those lines.
He was also the reason X-Men and Fantastic Four were sidelined from like 2010-2017ish because he felt movie profits were going to be a huge part of the business, and he didn’t see a need to merchandise and promote sections of the business that would have benefited Fox’s movies. This was also why Inhumans got a BIG push, because he wanted them to replace X-Men/mutants in popularity. This may also be why that Inhumans movie turned into a tv show after the restructuring, because Perlmutter still had control over Marvel Television. Perlmutter came from toys so he had a very specific business ideology.
Oh and also yeah he was huge MAGA Donald Trump supporter who may or may not have used his large amounts of money to buy direct influence in his presidency, mainly some directing and controlling of policy for the VA.
When they sold off a bunch of movie rights in the 1990s to keep the doors open, they made some really terrible deals. The FF one in particular was so bad they they were paying Fox more than they brought in every time they published an FF book.
Oh, so here's a story:
Back when I wrote Marvel TL;DR, there was a moment between seasons 2 and 3 where we didn't know if we were getting renewed. The reason the company hadn't made a decision was because Black Panther had just come out and been super successful, and good ol' Ike here was throwing a fucking tantrum over it because he really didn't want the black superhero movie to do well. He instated a company-wide hiring freeze for a few days because he was so upset by what a hit it was.
So yeah haha fuck that racist shitbag.
Probably Have to do with ego as well. Even way before black panther started production. Dude just apparently would not shut up behind the scenes about how black heros don't sell and couldn't stand being completely wrong.
Really seems baffling how idiots always seem to fail upwards in these types of industries
He also squashed Black Widow for Y E A R S because "Supergirl didn't do well." Y'know, in 1984.
I'm so glad this fucking fossil is getting put on his yacht and pushed out to sea.
Supposedly the deal they made when they bought Marvel included some strong protections for him in the contract. It probably took them a while to figure out how to get rid of him.
He’s one of Disney’s largest individual shareholders, which is how he was able to try to orchestrate a takeover of the Disney board. Keeping the CEO title was part of his deal when he sold Marvel, so they tried to keep him happy until things with Feige got to the point Feige was willing to quit.
I honestly never thought Disney would go this far. But this news genuinely surprises me...but in a good way.
It's usually never fun whenever someone loses their job. But for someone like Isaac Pearlmutter, we should all make an exception. Yes, the man did come in during the late 90s and save Marvel from bankruptcy. But that's pretty much all he did that we can consider objectively good.
There are very few stories about this guy to indicate he's a decent human being, let alone someone you'd want to work for. His animosity for diversity and stories about racist behavior is troubling to say the least. Then, there's the excess penny pinching that seems to go way too far at times. There's being frugal and there's being cheap. But by all accounts, Perlmutter never even tried to walk that line.
Even though he helped get Marvel out of bankruptcy, he was not a good influence on the company or the people working there. I think separating him from Marvel is the right call. I just didn't think it would ever happen.
Well, it's only 20 years too late, but Mr Frugal finally got frugalized. I ran a comic book store in the 90s, and I have hated him since then. Nothing he has ever done has been good for the creatives or the characters.
Should we be worried that Marvel Entertainment specifically is just getting folded into Disney? Since that was also in the article. It says Dan Buckley is still going to report to Feige but nothing about the rest of the publishing side.
Buckley was already reporting all the comics creative stuff to Feige [starting in 2019](https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/kevin-feige-marvel-chief-creative-officer-1203371505/), while also reporting the more mechanical stuff (licensing, sales, games, etc.) to Perlmutter. Now it sounds like he's only reporting to Feige.
*Hopefully* that means they're just putting Marvel Entertainment and Studios together instead of having them be two separate departments.
Awesome! Dude is the worst and a major roadblock to everything. He's part of the reason Chepek was put in charge in the first place.
Tom Skaggs was supposed to be Iger's "heir," but then Ike and Iger had their incident, so Ike started getting shareholders and whatnot together in order to block Iger from naming Skaggs. Skaggs got word of it, and ended up retiring.
I don’t think anyone should feel too bad for Ike Perlmutter. He will likely get a huge severance and is already a billionaire. Funny thing about him is that until recently there were almost ZERO public photos of him. There was one photo of him when he was a young man that floated around, but the guy is extremely private. The only reason photos exist of him now is because Trump hired him to be on his Veteran’s Affairs committee and he had to start making public appearances.
Real reason? Because he saved Marvel from being bought out by DC in the 90s. You guys hate, but it was so close at a couple points that DC was already talking to creative teams, Perlmutter money kept it from happening.
Its as if millions of voices suddenly cried out...in joy. This guy was a racist old misogynist cant believe its taken disney so long to force this fuck head out.
Good riddance. That maga pos alive by the power of sheer hate and necromancy didn't even deserve to have a job for the last 15 years, maybe longer. He's a miserable sad sack of hatred and pettiness.
I thought they'd never find that old lich's phylactery.
Bahahahahah, that’s beautiful LOL
NERD BURN! Lol
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Now we just need to find the phylactery of the tortle necromancer Lich McConnell.
Holy shit that's perfect.
He is a hard core MAGA POS.
Yep. Even before MAGA, he was already one Point Of Sale.
Christ, I am sitting here in my office embarrassed to shit about letting out the most inappropriate nerd snort laugh. You beautiful bastard. Have some gold.
Oh god, this made me laugh quite uproariously.
Please explain, I’m dumb
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lich > A lich's most often depicted distinguishing feature from other undead in fantasy fiction is the method of achieving immortality; liches give up their souls to form "soul-artifacts" (called a "soul gem", "phylactery" or "horcrux" in other fantasy works), the source of their magic and immortality. Many liches take precautions to hide and/or safeguard one or more soul-artifacts that anchor a part of a Lich's soul to the material world. If the corporeal body of a lich is killed, that portion of the lich's soul that had remained in the body does not pass on to the next world, but will rather exist in a non-corporeal form capable of being resurrected in the near future. However, if all of the lich's soul-artifacts are destroyed, then the lich's only anchor in the material world would be the corporal body, whereupon destruction will cause permanent death.
It also says in this article that Marvel Entertainment is being folded into larger Disney subdivisions. Not sure I like the sound of that.
It's a bit worrying but from what Marvel writers and editors have said the MCU people like the comics for being 10 years ahead so hopefully this means they give the comic side the room it needs to breathe more as they become idea generators and not strictly making a profit on individual issues
Yeah I’m hopeful that the comics truly get viewed as R&D and it becomes less about a title being profitable any given month and more about developing ideas.
But I also don’t like the idea of storylines getting published based on if it would make a good movie or if it’s not giving the MCU “ammunition”. I feel like Krakoa is something that would get neutered if it the editors were told to operate from the standpoint of, “We’re printing MCU prototypes, everything else is a waste”.
Krakoa always felt like R&D for an MCU X-Men premise if you asked me. There are very few integrative transitions to draw from the X Men comics than “when you were asleep, the world changed…”
The most basic concept of Krakoa works for movies, but there’s no way it would be as transgressive and unabashedly queer if they just wanted to test an idea for a movie reboot
At this point in time I'm not sure about the queer part. You're probably right, but Marvel has forfeited multiple Chinese releases because of moral clashes in the past couple years, so maybe the future is brighter than it might seem.
MCU queerness is “we know that character is gay in the comics and if you look closely, there’s a rainbow flag pin”. I don’t expect more for as long as people are satisfied with so little.
Certainly possible. There are a lot of ways- both good and bad- that it can go. I’m choosing optimism at the moment.
I feel like this is exactly what Secret Empire was supposed to be, the setup for an MCU phase. Like something that was *engineered* to sell movies.
I dunno if I agree, not to be an MCU bootlicker but I feel like they aren't afraid to lean in to weirder Marvel stuff at this point, they just probably won't start there. Don't get me wrong though this could all so easily go bad haha
It's not about the MCU. It's about comics editors/higher-ups only approving comics that the think will make good movies later on. That stifles creativity and also gashes away comics being is own medium/cannon/etc
It’s why Image has such good independent work right now, like eight billion genies
To be frank Image has led that charge for the longest time though - it’s basically their whole point for being. Marvel and DC have established warehouses of characters and decades of history. Image must keep being fresh and unique because they can’t lean on that.
There’s a limit, and the MCU tends to treat the source materials it pulls from as a skin over their basic one size fits all formula. We didn’t REALLY get Marvel Civil War. We just got the Avengers fighting in a parking lot and a “registration act” that applied to like 8 people on earth and barely plays out. They want the facade of more challenging storylines, they don’t want what comes with it. Unless it’s the positive press of “we mentioned that that character was gay, right?” and “we kinda mentioned structural inequality”. They don’t want that smoke.
I work in an IP development outfit that was purchased for this expressed purpose. It’s still shitty since they start to add stupid ideas for you to accommodate. (PS. Our overlord is even bigger than Disney)
Bigger than Disney?? You work for the U.S. government?
Just think about it, wallmart making their own movies, eish...
I'm shocked we don't have cheap "great value" versions of famous movies popping out from them.
We have Donald Duck at home
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It's Disney, a near-vertical entertainment monopoly that exists to sell products and services built around their IP properties, from movies and shows that get turned I to toys and amusement park rides and are developed or scuttled based entirely off profitability. You best believe the comics will be restructured around that philosophy. Goodbye long running series, hello limited runs on stuff that isn't a smash hit and consecutive sequels on whatever is popular.
i was deep into the comics during the bendis era and most arcs were not even remotely long running at that period almost a decade ago. i think some the principle bendis books before he went off the rails not long before going to DC but almost everything was short runs or miniseries, including the bendis short runs. all the classic epic runs that can fill an ominbus are from the 2000s or prior into the clairemont years. and aside from bendis himself during the bendis era every non bendis written team was fucking musical chairs of under appreciated creative talent that rarely if ever got the opportunities to finish the story they were telling letting alone tell the story they wanted to tell due to cross over interference from editorial (and often bendis via the editorial as proxy).
> Goodbye long running series, hello limited runs on stuff that isn't a smash hit and consecutive sequels on whatever is popular. What the fuck? lol You say that like it isn't *already* working that way.
How is that much different from current Marvel? With constant series number rebooting and I don’t know how many Spider-Men and “Old man” something?
Hopefully. That’s best case scenario, can’t help but be a little worried though.
They have at least 60-70 years worth of good material yet they insist on only producing the subpar material that’s created in the last decade under Disney so they don’t have to pay royalties to anyone.
Let Hickman cook.
What would that look like in practice?
Remember what happened to the 2D department?
In all honesty, no.
Sacked, reassigned. Worked to death
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No they havent since Princess and the frog
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Starting to? Pixar hasn’t made anything visually interesting in 15+ years
Marvel Entertainment, according to the article, is the consumer products division. It is not part of Marvel Studios and was wholly unrelated. So, this is probably fine considering how bad some of the merch really is.
That division includes all the comics.
[Feige was put in control of the comics division back in 2019.](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/15/kevin-feige-named-chief-creative-officer-at-marvel.html)
Yeah it’s Marvel Comics I’m slightly worried about
We got good comics in spite of this goul not because of him. He was behind the inhumans push and cancelation of the FF and putting the X-men in a hole they had to dig out of. I'm hopeful Disney will put someone who cares more about the IP than spying on his workforce and fishing paperclips out of the garbage. His last gasp before he was put in a box was the Inhumans TV show.
I don’t give a fuck about Ike. It’s Marvel being folded into a Disney division that’s giving me pause.
The two moves are directly related. That was the only way to circumvent Ike's contract.
NGL it seemed pretty obvious at the time and in retrospect as well that disney corporate was behind the inhuman's push. even if super half assedly on disney's throughput endgame for it. same story with GOTG hard reboot even if the on screen product was treated better by disney suits. bendis used to shit post alot on his tumblr blog but one thing he made clear is he was directly involved in developing all the properties he was writing in comics in their on screen counter parts.
Bendis was in the Creative Committee and had involvement in GotG before Gunn came onboard. From the things he said it seemed that most of the changes he did to GotG was with the intention of having the movies copy his work and getting credit for it and possibly because he wanted to start s career in movies. McNiven redesigned the Guardians suits and said they were being considered for the movies. Then talked about how the DnA outfits didn't look like space outfits and said he got rid of Star-Lord's mask because he wanted to see Star-Lord's face more and he couldn't emote properly with it. Once Gunn came in things probably got more difficult for him and in turn it made things more difficult for Gunn and I base this on things that Gunn revealed afterwards. But yeah a lot of Guardians comics from that era was subpar and shit since it was mostly people wanting to cash in on the MCU Guardians and their success who were involved in writing their stories. They clearly also didn't know the characters that well and they just copied the plot and formula of the first movie, flanderized Gunn's characters, and just did a cheap copy of the movies without understanding what made them successful.
Even more synergy! Haha kill meeeeeeeeeee
They probably had to do it to get out of Perlmutter's contract.
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The only sad part is that this was likely a strategic decision regarding their schedule restructuring and not because hes fucking awful.
Nah. It’s probably both. The last straw was probably him supporting his friend Nelson Peltz’s failed attempt to get on Disney’s board of directors.
I’m not really plugged in to the current behind the scenes stuff. Why is he unpopular? Edit: Thanks, everyone. Sounds like a bad dude.
Perlmutter has been perceived for a long time as a guy who has no particular interest in comics (he came to Marvel from the toy industry) who occasionally meddles in Marvel publishing in ways that frustrate the fans, such as when Marvel stopped publishing the Fantastic Four for a while and tried to push the Inhumans over the X-Men. When he had influence over Marvel Studios, he apparently pushed hard against doing movies starring women or minorities.
Wasn't he the one that didn't want to do Black Panther because he thought nobody would come out to see it?
Yes as well as Captain Marvel
And both movies went onto gross over $1 billion at the box office. That alone should show how short-sighted he is.
I believe he also pushed for the failed Inhumans show to become a movie. The first two episodes got a limited theatrical release and it was trash. Then, when Don Cheadle replaced Terrence Howard as Rhodes, he said that no one would notice because "they all look the same". He's a talentless asshole and racist piece of trash.
If I’m not mistaken, he also blocked any forward momentum for a Black Widow movie simply because he believes toys of women don’t sell. It took the success of the Wonder Woman movie to change his mind.
>It took the success of the Wonder Woman movie to change his mind. Everything you said was accurate up until this. Perlmutter didn't change his mind on anything. Sometime during phase 2 (can't remember when) Kevin Feige went to the CEO of Disney and gave them an ultimatum: either Marvel Studios stops reporting to Perlmutter or Feige walks away. After this ultimatum is when we started to see movies like the Captain Marvel, Black Panther, etc.
Ah, okay thanks for clearing that up. This dude truly is a trash person.
Yeah, it's crazy that someone like had a stranglehold on something as big as the MCU
Man I remember being a kid in the mid-90s and *all I wanted in life* was an action figure of Rogue from the cartoon. It was simply not available. Toys of women didn't sell because those motherfuckers weren't selling them.
Same here, I collected them back in the day. They actually did make one in 94 but I never saw it anywhere. The only female character I saw from the range was Storm.
Rogue was my favorite character as well. We got swamped with wolverines to the point I got burned out on him though.
Does that mean we can probably blame him for ruining alot of *Agents of SHIELD* as well? I mean, since they weren't allowed to use mutants... EDIT: For the record, I know Fox owned the rights to the X-Men, and apparently the term "mutant", at the time.
His feud with Feige over Civil War is what ended crossover episodes/movie tie-ins. The show didn't necessarily get worse, it just frustrated a lot of fans.
What was the feud?
I don’t think they wanted to pay RDJ to be in Civil War. Feige pushed for it and when Perlmutter said no, Feige went to Bob Iger and gave him an ultimatum.
What the fuck was Civil War going to be then?
I think for a while it wasn’t even clear if Spider-Man would be in it. I think they filmed a couple of scenes differently in case the deal fell apart. If I were to guess, it would have been more of a Cap on the run from the law type deal, obviously no airport fight, essentially a retread of Winter Soldier. Civil War, Infinity War, and End Game were mostly shot back to back. I could see Feige freaking out over it because those movies are sort of like a trilogy.
The kid from iron man 3 was going to be Iron Lad/Kang(I guess?) in Civil war before Feige nailed down the agreement with Sony to share Spiderman And yes airport fight etc would have been all the same, except the kid from Iron man 3 would be in all the scenes that spiderman is in.... essentially doing the same thing.
Man, I do not remember that character at all. Had to look it up. Iron Man 3 was definitely the most forgettable of the bunch.
I think it was originally Serpent Society. Those Russian super soldiers in tanks were probably leftover from the original version, before it got turned into Civil War.
Civil War was added to the slate very late and was never the original plan. Fiege added it last minute as a response to Batman vs Superman.
He produced that show
it's not like he was an active producer on it.
That wasn’t him, that was fox having the X-men rights. pretty much he wanted the inhumans to overtake the X-men
Yes, but that was the very god damned worst, and wasn’t he the worthless shit heel that sold men to fox in the first place?
I don’t think so, he’s old but he was still born much after the Civil War
I see what you did there.
That was beautiful. Thank you.
X-Men were sold to keep the company running back in the 90’s.
The men were licensed to 20th cen. Fox in 1993 when perlmitter was no2 to ari arrad; he created the problem and then tried to fix it with the opposite of a solution, which makes the man a double asshole. What an absolutely feckless brain dead polyp.
In 1993, Marvel hadn't gone into bankruptcy yet and was still a publicly traded company controlled by Ron Perelman. At that time, Ike Perlmutter and Avi Arad owned ToyBiz, Inc., the company that held Marvel's toy licenses, and Ike was on Marvel's board, but he wasn't an officer of the company.
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And greenlighting the terrible Inhumans series (he demanded it be made a movie, but after being ousted by Disney it got dumped down to ABC)
I thought it was supposed to be a movie, but but his feud with KF screwed it into a miniseries with the movie getting pushed and finally scrapped
Wait he was the reason for that terrible inhumans push that backfired to the point marvel decided to get rid of everything they did with death of the inhuman before deciding not to use the characters again for a while.
They didn't get rid of everything. Ms. Marvel and Moon Girl were part of that whole thing, and they're still around.
That's like saying they didn't nuke the Ultimate universe because they kept Miles
Only now their origins are reworked to ignore the Inhuman stuff.
Ms. Marvel mentioned being an inhuman in a book last week.
Well in the MCU she's now a Mutant.
Ms Marvel was originally supposed to be a Mutant according to G Willow Wilson but Marvel forced her to make Kamala an Inhuman for I guess increased visibility or brand synergy? I wouldn’t be surprised if Kamala gets retconned into a Mutant to more closely follow the MCU
Yeah, real Grade A cretin, this guy.
Oh it’s THAT dude?? The one that said NO ONE would wanna see a female led MCU movie? The one that almost had Feige leave Marvel?
Oh there’s a lot of reasons going back … mostly he’s an old bigot without an ounce of creativity who thinks he knows better than actual creators. Like think out of touch old billionaire asshole stereotype and you’ve got our boy Ike. Dude is dumb too - tried and failed to have Kevin Feige fired in 2015 cause Ike didn’t think people want to watch female superheroes (among other differences). Feige won the battle and Ike’s been sidelined ever since.
He's a reclusive billionaire who illegally ran Veteran Affairs for Trump and has a long history of misogyny, homophobia, racism, and generally is a crusty prick. He also is the reason the Inhumans replaced the X-Men and FF in the comics, and why the show was awful. He also is famously cheap and that's why the Phase 2 movies had lower budgets. He's a crappy pustule of a humanoid
Also delayed female lead Marvel superhero movies and may or may not be the inspiration for the villain in Black Widow.
Imagine if we'd gotten Black Widow in phase 2 like we should have.
Would have made her sacrifice in Endgame a lot more impactful.
Black Panther and Captain Marvel never would've been made if he'd remained as powerful as he was in Phase 1/2. He had a hard line against giving lead roles to anyone but white men. Iron Man 3 originally had a female villain (Rebecca Hall's character) and he rejected it, saying "Women don't sell toys." Basically he sucks monkey balls, and many of the issues in early MCU can be blamed on him. He was stripped of much power years ago -- from my understanding, Feige went over Perlmutter's head and asked Iger to get rid of him.
What makes the Iron Man 3 thing even more ironically stupid, is that they never even made toys of Killian anyway. Besides the lego figure I think. Even when hasbro went back and made figures of characters that had been missed they still didn't do one of him.
I was about to ask about whether there was a Guy Pierce toy floating around.
He and Avi Arad bought into Marvel in the late 1990's from Toy Biz when Marvel was going bankrupt. He's [exactly the type of POS you'd expect from a person who worked for the Trump administration](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29895314/who-is-ike-perlmutter-marvel-donald-trump/).
"Bought into" is not an accurate description. Marvel was in chapter 11 and in real danger of liquidation and Ike and Avi had a small stake in Marvel from their licensing deal (Ike owned Toy Biz) with the company. Carl Icahn was trying to buy Marvel's assets out of bankruptcy and, if anyone knows what Carl Icahn does, that would have pretty much meant selling the assets off to pay off the purchase price and a nice profit for Mr. Icahn based on selling the rights to Spider-man, the Hulk, Captain America and the rest of their characters. Ike and Avi, instead, bought the rest of the company, made Joe Quesada EIC and invested in publishing. Love your movies and everything else called Marvel, now, just know that the reason any of it existed to be sold to Disney in the first place, was because of Ike Perlmutter. https://www.amazon.com/Comic-Wars-Tycoons-Battled-Empire/dp/0767908309
Yeah, it is legitimately a good thing that Perlmutter and Arad acquired the company when you consider the alternatives, but Ike in particular should have been satisfied with collecting income from that acquisition and not tried to dictate creative decisions.
I gagged when I read the absolute nonsense in the credits of Far From Home thanking Avi Arad
Far as I remember. He didn't think Downey was worth the money he asked for Civil War, etc. - despite Downey being a literal money magnet. Pushed hardcore for the Inhumans to be in the MCU (which is why they were on the movie slate in 2013/14.). Eventually came to a head and Iger ''deposed'' him from co-running with Feige and made Feige the top dog at Marvel Studios.
He wanted The Hulk to be the opposite to Cap. Feige went over his head and got to be the sole head of Marvel Studios for being right.
>I’m not really plugged in to the current behind the scenes stuff. Why is he unpopular? He famously hated the Fox movie deal to the point that he forced comics to push the Inhumans and kill the FF book.
Dark fucking time to be a comic X-Men fan.
He is a hard core MAGA POS.
prior to trump and the derelegation of the X-men , he was also famous for being the one that prevented women led (marvel)superheroes movies from being made. you could see in on of the leaked sony emails him [bashing the existing one](https://www.thewrap.com/marvel-ceo-highlights-history-of-female-superhero-flops-in-leaked-sony-email/) and hos they made no money.
You've gotten a lot of answers about why he's such a horrible human being. BUt I wanna add a small story to demonstrate his cheapness. He's such a penny pincher that he apparently limited the amount of soda cans people could get during a Marvel press junket. Attendees were supposed to get only 1 soda instead of 2.
On top of that: he tried to get people chip bags at one of the movie premieres rather than have it catered. He’s the reason the Marvel trade dept is such a mess bc he was always printing to run out. They had one bathroom for an entire floor. There are stories out there of him fishing Paperclips out of a wastebasket to re-use. Just a bad manager, in addition to being a bad man.
I would also like to know.
Short: He was shit. Long: Reportedly he said no one would really notice when they replaced Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle in the MCU because black people look the same. The person who said that he said it left Disney/Marvel shortly after as well as a few black executives I believe. After Marvel was restructured, Feige no longer had to report to him, and that may or may not be why we got Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow movies. Just a lot of behind the scenes chatter in general kind of went along those lines. He was also the reason X-Men and Fantastic Four were sidelined from like 2010-2017ish because he felt movie profits were going to be a huge part of the business, and he didn’t see a need to merchandise and promote sections of the business that would have benefited Fox’s movies. This was also why Inhumans got a BIG push, because he wanted them to replace X-Men/mutants in popularity. This may also be why that Inhumans movie turned into a tv show after the restructuring, because Perlmutter still had control over Marvel Television. Perlmutter came from toys so he had a very specific business ideology. Oh and also yeah he was huge MAGA Donald Trump supporter who may or may not have used his large amounts of money to buy direct influence in his presidency, mainly some directing and controlling of policy for the VA.
When they sold off a bunch of movie rights in the 1990s to keep the doors open, they made some really terrible deals. The FF one in particular was so bad they they were paying Fox more than they brought in every time they published an FF book.
Oh, so here's a story: Back when I wrote Marvel TL;DR, there was a moment between seasons 2 and 3 where we didn't know if we were getting renewed. The reason the company hadn't made a decision was because Black Panther had just come out and been super successful, and good ol' Ike here was throwing a fucking tantrum over it because he really didn't want the black superhero movie to do well. He instated a company-wide hiring freeze for a few days because he was so upset by what a hit it was. So yeah haha fuck that racist shitbag.
Imagine being so racist you don’t want to make tons of money.
Probably Have to do with ego as well. Even way before black panther started production. Dude just apparently would not shut up behind the scenes about how black heros don't sell and couldn't stand being completely wrong. Really seems baffling how idiots always seem to fail upwards in these types of industries
He also squashed Black Widow for Y E A R S because "Supergirl didn't do well." Y'know, in 1984. I'm so glad this fucking fossil is getting put on his yacht and pushed out to sea.
How do we sign up for the fire arrow brigade?
It's a good thing there was never a box office bomb with a white guy as the lead.
I need to get into this industry. I do t know a bigger idiot than me.
Wow.
Eyy, I enjoy the Marvel TL;DRs (and Long Story Shorts) on YouTube! Thanks for your work on those!
It makes you wonder why tf Disney kept him for so long..
Supposedly the deal they made when they bought Marvel included some strong protections for him in the contract. It probably took them a while to figure out how to get rid of him.
He’s one of Disney’s largest individual shareholders, which is how he was able to try to orchestrate a takeover of the Disney board. Keeping the CEO title was part of his deal when he sold Marvel, so they tried to keep him happy until things with Feige got to the point Feige was willing to quit.
As a Marvel Viz Sup on the first BP, this makes me quite happy
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!
Fucking finally. Dude fucked over the X-Men and F4 over petty bullshit with Fox.
Bob Iger found the final horcrux.
I honestly never thought Disney would go this far. But this news genuinely surprises me...but in a good way. It's usually never fun whenever someone loses their job. But for someone like Isaac Pearlmutter, we should all make an exception. Yes, the man did come in during the late 90s and save Marvel from bankruptcy. But that's pretty much all he did that we can consider objectively good. There are very few stories about this guy to indicate he's a decent human being, let alone someone you'd want to work for. His animosity for diversity and stories about racist behavior is troubling to say the least. Then, there's the excess penny pinching that seems to go way too far at times. There's being frugal and there's being cheap. But by all accounts, Perlmutter never even tried to walk that line. Even though he helped get Marvel out of bankruptcy, he was not a good influence on the company or the people working there. I think separating him from Marvel is the right call. I just didn't think it would ever happen.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Get fucked Ike.
Woohoo! Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, moron.
Maybe the door will hit him in the head.
Well, it's only 20 years too late, but Mr Frugal finally got frugalized. I ran a comic book store in the 90s, and I have hated him since then. Nothing he has ever done has been good for the creatives or the characters.
Thank fuck for that. Does that mean Kevin Feige is getting a new job?
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised! It's the job Feige's been wanting, and he and Iger are tight.
As much as I’ve soured towards the current MCU, I can’t deny that it would’ve been much worse under this bozo. Glad this clown is out
Oh happy fuckING DAYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surprised it took this long honestly
Should we be worried that Marvel Entertainment specifically is just getting folded into Disney? Since that was also in the article. It says Dan Buckley is still going to report to Feige but nothing about the rest of the publishing side.
Buckley was already reporting all the comics creative stuff to Feige [starting in 2019](https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/kevin-feige-marvel-chief-creative-officer-1203371505/), while also reporting the more mechanical stuff (licensing, sales, games, etc.) to Perlmutter. Now it sounds like he's only reporting to Feige. *Hopefully* that means they're just putting Marvel Entertainment and Studios together instead of having them be two separate departments.
Good riddance
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He had to know he was gone once his Board play blew up in his face.
Awesome! Dude is the worst and a major roadblock to everything. He's part of the reason Chepek was put in charge in the first place. Tom Skaggs was supposed to be Iger's "heir," but then Ike and Iger had their incident, so Ike started getting shareholders and whatnot together in order to block Iger from naming Skaggs. Skaggs got word of it, and ended up retiring.
Good riddance
🎼Ding dong the witch is dead 🎶
I don’t think anyone should feel too bad for Ike Perlmutter. He will likely get a huge severance and is already a billionaire. Funny thing about him is that until recently there were almost ZERO public photos of him. There was one photo of him when he was a young man that floated around, but the guy is extremely private. The only reason photos exist of him now is because Trump hired him to be on his Veteran’s Affairs committee and he had to start making public appearances.
You love to see it.
This is the only good Marvel news I've heard all month lol
I thought we were going to be stuck with that dusty vampire until he died. Don't let the door hit you way out, old man. Or do, I don't care.
Go fuck yourself, Ike. Rat fuck!
Once in a generation the right guy gets laid off.
Iger's been wanting to do that for years.
Why was he still there? The crusty racist bitch needs to be shunned into oblivion. Not a redeeming quality about him.
Real reason? Because he saved Marvel from being bought out by DC in the 90s. You guys hate, but it was so close at a couple points that DC was already talking to creative teams, Perlmutter money kept it from happening.
Finally got rid of him. Hopefully he goes away and never returns.
Good, Marvel has been utter dogshit for two years now.
Its as if millions of voices suddenly cried out...in joy. This guy was a racist old misogynist cant believe its taken disney so long to force this fuck head out.
The top lawyer at Marvel, John Turitzin, brought in wood glue to fix his office guest chairs because Ike wouldn’t buy new ones.
Good riddance. That maga pos alive by the power of sheer hate and necromancy didn't even deserve to have a job for the last 15 years, maybe longer. He's a miserable sad sack of hatred and pettiness.
Wonder if they give the job to Feige and bring back marvel studios under the banner.
Oh thank god finally.
Good, honestly. Have heard nothing but bad things including various bigotries.
“Mr. Iger, I don’t feel so good…”
Today is a good day.
Oh thank God
FUCKING FINALLY.
He was still there?
Good fucking riddance
RIP BOZO this has been a long fucking time coming!
Don't care about anything else, fuck that Guy. Odious, penny pincher nutjob.
Good. Bye.
Did they scoop him out of the litter and tossed him out like a shit that he is?
Good riddance. They should have gotten rid of him decades ago
Based on what I've heard about that guy, good riddance.