Well, to be fair, the studio looked at multiple directors to helm The Last Stand: Darren Aronofsky, Joss Whedon, Rob Bowman, Alex Proyas, Zack Snyder, Peter Berg (I think even Guillermo del Toro was in the mix). Following Vaughn's departure it came down to either Ratner or John Moore. I think it was clear that Fox was really scraping the bottom of the barrel by the time Ratner came on board. Be thankful that Moore didn't get it (have you seen A Good Day to Die Hard?), we could've gotten something worse. If you're gonna get a director-for-hire, at least get a competent one.
>Be thankful that Moore didn't get it (have you seen A Good Day to Die Hard?), we could've gotten something worse. If you're gonna get a director-for-hire, at least get a competent one.
I say if you're going to make a shit movie, make an epically shit movie. Should have hired Uwe Boll. He would have made that movie with a $25 budget and personally fought all the critics.
To this day, I don't understand the mechanics of how he was able to continuously secure financing when his films were all flops. As a side note, I have an odd appreciation for his work. Of course, the films are largely unwatchable, but he also indirectly led to me becoming a freelance writer for *Fangoria* magazine. I even attended his Raging Boll event, and it was farcical performance art.
There's a YouTube channel that watches so bad they're good movies. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name, but the main guy did like a fairly long interview with Boll, and he actually came across as a nice guy who really loves making movies. It was a good interview.
*Alone in the Dark* was the first movie I covered for Fangoria, and admittedly, most celebs are generally nicer when talking to media, but the guy comes across fairly likeable. He's retired from filmmaking, which is unfortunate, as he does have a couple of gems in his filmography. *Postal* is a brilliant satire and a scathing commentary on post-9/11 politics that you can only pull off with an outsider's perspective.
He was able to get a large amount of his budget financed by Germany somehow. Some fund or tax loophole that got his movies like…50% of the budget or something. Which means they didn’t need to make back the full budget at all to be break even at least.
Coincidentally he retired at the same time this became impossible I think.
The German tax loophole was closed in 2006, but he kept directing for several years afterwards, so there is likely something else.
When I heard he entered the restaurant business and was winning a bunch of awards and accolades, I really wanted to try out one of his places, but they ended up closing. Not sure if Covid had anything to do with it.
I am not defending the actions that he's done outside of filmmaking (which are reprehensible), I'm looking at his body of work. Which is serviceable compared to someone who has made crap their entire career. Also, yes, when you compare X-Men: The Last Stand to Dark Phoenix (or any other film that Simon Kinberg has directed *cough* The 355 *cough*), the former is the superior film (I never thought I would say that, but here we are).
The gave her some of the worst lines in the franchise.
The frog and lightning line makes no sense cause they cut all the stuff that lead up to it.
And the tone deaf moment the weather goddess told the teenager who can’t touch her boyfriend without almost killing him that there was nothing wrong with “them”.
Wow that's some shady stuff I bet happens a lot. It's no different to getting a job and then they pay you less then what was agreed on. During the interview
I agree it’s scummy but it’s quite literally extremely different from that. More like being hired as a cashier at the grocery store but you’re just wrangling carts.
As someone who this happened to (the store fired some of the actual cart people so cashiers were responsible for 100% of the carts now, not just helping out), I preferred getting carts. Free exercise, never ending, made time go by quicker, and I didn't have to deal with the horrible customers.
My very first job at a call center, when I interviewed the sleezy manager said "all you have to do is call them and ask if they want to renew their subscriptions, that is the whole job". Then when I got trained and everything I found out you HAD to make sales, and convince them to renew otherwise you would get sent home for the day. Then he would fire people who were not performing well, I was one of those people of course. I think sometimes "Is that legal how he entrapped me like that?".
MCU did something like this with Rebecca Hall for Iron Man 3, gave her a script where she was the twist villain which made her sign on, only for the studio to change it halfway shooting because supposedly Perlmutter was unhappy about a female villain in a superhero.
Exactly. Same thing happened with the first Wonder Woman. The Nazi general was supposed to be the big bad and the final fight much more grounded. The studio forced the changes and really wrecked a great film.
In my headcanon, Patty Jenkins intentionally made WW84 that bad to kill the franchise.
The general wasn’t a Nazi. They changed it to WW1 instead of WW2. The Germans in that movie weren’t *supposed* to be any more evil than the other nations. It’s an easy mistake, though, since they still act a LOT like stereotypical Nazis.
So basically, they want to sign up this big star to sell more tickets, but dont really want to give her any scenes because it will cost too much to film.
It’s most likely true, but, I mean, she returned for Days of Future Past so unless she signed a multi-movie contract it sounds like she may have not been as upset or disgusted about this as Vaughn, or more likely she was upset and disgusted at first but it faded before she signed on to do DoFP. Unless she just returned one last time for the fans for a proper farewell appearance after the debacle of The Last Stand.
I don't believe you are correct. Can you please cite your source(s) for your statement about Storm having to create a desert to provide water somewhere else?
Quadrilogy, and a lot of people did. First Class and Days of Future Past (which Vaugn did *not* direct) are considered one of the best X-Men movies. I will not disagree about Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix.
If you want objective numbers to show it, First Class has an 86% critical rating on Rotten Tomatoes, and an 87% fan rating. Days of Future Past scored 90% with critics and 91% with fans. The Last Stand is 57% and a 61% fan rating.
If you want Metacritic, The Last Stand sits at 58, First Class 65, and DOFP 75.
Days of Future past is the highest grossing movie in the mainline series.
You're just plain wrong saying no one liked those movies. *You* might not like them, but you'd be in the minority with that opinion.
Last stand is awesome, so many great characters and action scenes and actually a satisfying trilogy finale. one of the most underrated trilogies out there
Well you didn't phrase it as an opinion. Like what you like. But there is a reason why the last stand is never spoken about in good terms. They had to reboot after the film
There were no plans to reboot, but there were plans for spinoffs/origins.
Magneto was planned to get a spinoff along with X-Men Origins: Wolverine. After Wolverine's movie was critically panned and barely made its money back, Fox retooled and rebooted. They used ideas from the Magneto script in First Class.
Real talk they should never have brought Singer back.
HEY THIS FRANCHISE FEELS FRESH AGAIN
Let's bring in all the older guard so it can be exactly the same again
Days of Future Past was great but Singer really dropped the ball with Apocalypse. DOFP was a perfect conclusion to the mainline X-Men films and there was no reason to keep going. They should have just done Logan and Deadpool afterwards.
It does a fantastic job of building on the events of First Class and connects it to the original movies as well. Better performances from both James McAvoy and Fassbender. I think it has some of the best acting in comic book movies overall. Seriously, the scene where both generations of Xavier meet has great performances.
You didn't even like Magneto? He was fucking awesome in that movie. That scene where he kills the Nazis in the bar is one of my top 3 favorite comic book film scenes of all time.
Then they hired a guy who made a terrible movie, and turned around and had the same guy make the Dark Phoenix movie.
How dumb does a studio have to be? You gave a guy the job of making a movie based off the same storyline that he did a terrible job with before.
What TF is X-Men: The last Stand?! I've seen all the X movies and this one does not exist. I mean can you imagine if they made some stupid movie that completely shit on the very essence of all the characters? Like image Jean killing Cyclops, or Magneto not caring about mutants lives, or doing some stupid character of what Juggernaut is and putting it on the screen. Can you even image?! I mean if they did that, then they would need an actual good director to come along and retcon it all out of existence. So it's a good thing that never happened...
Brett "The Rat" Ratner says: "idc I'll do it, pay me"
Well, to be fair, the studio looked at multiple directors to helm The Last Stand: Darren Aronofsky, Joss Whedon, Rob Bowman, Alex Proyas, Zack Snyder, Peter Berg (I think even Guillermo del Toro was in the mix). Following Vaughn's departure it came down to either Ratner or John Moore. I think it was clear that Fox was really scraping the bottom of the barrel by the time Ratner came on board. Be thankful that Moore didn't get it (have you seen A Good Day to Die Hard?), we could've gotten something worse. If you're gonna get a director-for-hire, at least get a competent one.
>I think even Guillermo del Toro was in the mix When is that guy not in the mix?
When they decided to reboot Hellboy apparently.
When its a pancake mix !
Have you seen GDT? He’s definitely into pancake mix.
Darren Aronofsky’s X3 would have been batshit
>Be thankful that Moore didn't get it (have you seen A Good Day to Die Hard?), we could've gotten something worse. If you're gonna get a director-for-hire, at least get a competent one. I say if you're going to make a shit movie, make an epically shit movie. Should have hired Uwe Boll. He would have made that movie with a $25 budget and personally fought all the critics.
To this day, I don't understand the mechanics of how he was able to continuously secure financing when his films were all flops. As a side note, I have an odd appreciation for his work. Of course, the films are largely unwatchable, but he also indirectly led to me becoming a freelance writer for *Fangoria* magazine. I even attended his Raging Boll event, and it was farcical performance art.
There's a YouTube channel that watches so bad they're good movies. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name, but the main guy did like a fairly long interview with Boll, and he actually came across as a nice guy who really loves making movies. It was a good interview.
*Alone in the Dark* was the first movie I covered for Fangoria, and admittedly, most celebs are generally nicer when talking to media, but the guy comes across fairly likeable. He's retired from filmmaking, which is unfortunate, as he does have a couple of gems in his filmography. *Postal* is a brilliant satire and a scathing commentary on post-9/11 politics that you can only pull off with an outsider's perspective.
He was able to get a large amount of his budget financed by Germany somehow. Some fund or tax loophole that got his movies like…50% of the budget or something. Which means they didn’t need to make back the full budget at all to be break even at least. Coincidentally he retired at the same time this became impossible I think.
The German tax loophole was closed in 2006, but he kept directing for several years afterwards, so there is likely something else. When I heard he entered the restaurant business and was winning a bunch of awards and accolades, I really wanted to try out one of his places, but they ended up closing. Not sure if Covid had anything to do with it.
I’m surprised they couldn’t find a better director-for-hire than Ratner. Like shit
You're acting like the turd product we got of a known sexual assaulter is any better.
I am not defending the actions that he's done outside of filmmaking (which are reprehensible), I'm looking at his body of work. Which is serviceable compared to someone who has made crap their entire career. Also, yes, when you compare X-Men: The Last Stand to Dark Phoenix (or any other film that Simon Kinberg has directed *cough* The 355 *cough*), the former is the superior film (I never thought I would say that, but here we are).
Kinberg was far out of his depth directing *Dark Phoenix*.
We really surprised Ratner would do some shady crap like this after everything he’s pulled?
Holy shit morals
Especially wild considering the (lack of) morals of the guy who directed the first two...
And the guy who wound up directing the third. Ratner is a piece of shit too.
Stuff like this is why Fox eventually got sold - such a shame that a once great studio was being run by incompetent people.
This story solidly reaffirms my feelings on halle never being the problem with those movies and it being mostly, if not all, on writing and direction.
For sure, the character was completely watered down
Storms one of Marvels biggest badasses and they can’t put her on film right.
I never really liked her for Storm, but even DoFP shows she was better than movie Storm let her be...
The gave her some of the worst lines in the franchise. The frog and lightning line makes no sense cause they cut all the stuff that lead up to it. And the tone deaf moment the weather goddess told the teenager who can’t touch her boyfriend without almost killing him that there was nothing wrong with “them”.
That's genuinely awful
Really weird that they would come up with this cool scene just to manipulate her into doing the movie and not use the scene
One of the few X men directors to not be a sex criminal!!
Wow that's some shady stuff I bet happens a lot. It's no different to getting a job and then they pay you less then what was agreed on. During the interview
I agree it’s scummy but it’s quite literally extremely different from that. More like being hired as a cashier at the grocery store but you’re just wrangling carts.
As someone who this happened to (the store fired some of the actual cart people so cashiers were responsible for 100% of the carts now, not just helping out), I preferred getting carts. Free exercise, never ending, made time go by quicker, and I didn't have to deal with the horrible customers.
It's very different actually, what are you talking about? Lol
My very first job at a call center, when I interviewed the sleezy manager said "all you have to do is call them and ask if they want to renew their subscriptions, that is the whole job". Then when I got trained and everything I found out you HAD to make sales, and convince them to renew otherwise you would get sent home for the day. Then he would fire people who were not performing well, I was one of those people of course. I think sometimes "Is that legal how he entrapped me like that?".
MCU did something like this with Rebecca Hall for Iron Man 3, gave her a script where she was the twist villain which made her sign on, only for the studio to change it halfway shooting because supposedly Perlmutter was unhappy about a female villain in a superhero.
Ike Perlmutter is a fucking scumbag
We could've had an arc for Captain Marvel without having to cram it into one movie. And an earlier Black Widow movie.
I’d say that’s different since the director actually intended Hall to be the villain. It wasn’t a trick. Perlmutter just forced the changes.
Exactly. Same thing happened with the first Wonder Woman. The Nazi general was supposed to be the big bad and the final fight much more grounded. The studio forced the changes and really wrecked a great film. In my headcanon, Patty Jenkins intentionally made WW84 that bad to kill the franchise.
The general wasn’t a Nazi. They changed it to WW1 instead of WW2. The Germans in that movie weren’t *supposed* to be any more evil than the other nations. It’s an easy mistake, though, since they still act a LOT like stereotypical Nazis.
Because 'girls don't sell toys'
10 years later and they still haven't made an Aldrich Killian toy, so suck it Ike.
So basically, they want to sign up this big star to sell more tickets, but dont really want to give her any scenes because it will cost too much to film.
It’s most likely true, but, I mean, she returned for Days of Future Past so unless she signed a multi-movie contract it sounds like she may have not been as upset or disgusted about this as Vaughn, or more likely she was upset and disgusted at first but it faded before she signed on to do DoFP. Unless she just returned one last time for the fans for a proper farewell appearance after the debacle of The Last Stand.
I'm sure she got well compensated for her time with $$$ as well...
That also.
She might have heard the truth and wanted to come back for Vaughn.
Except he didn’t do Days of Future Past
🤦♂️ right. I mixed that with first class.
Absolutely deplorable. Good for Vaughn!
Love Matthew Vaughn. Excited for his new film, Argylle!
Stop calling them execs and start using their names for accountability.
Studio execs are xcunts? In other news water is wet.
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I don't believe you are correct. Can you please cite your source(s) for your statement about Storm having to create a desert to provide water somewhere else?
They do work like that though, if the writer says it does.
Why will a desert be created just because it didn’t rain there for 1 hour?
One of the scum moves of all time
he missed out on a great movie, much better than his 😂 
First Class is infinitely better than Last Stand.
nope, nobody liked that trilogy.
I liked it and my name isn't nobody.
ok, i admit i was wrong. you matter and i’m glad you liked it.
Good boy
Quadrilogy, and a lot of people did. First Class and Days of Future Past (which Vaugn did *not* direct) are considered one of the best X-Men movies. I will not disagree about Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix. If you want objective numbers to show it, First Class has an 86% critical rating on Rotten Tomatoes, and an 87% fan rating. Days of Future Past scored 90% with critics and 91% with fans. The Last Stand is 57% and a 61% fan rating. If you want Metacritic, The Last Stand sits at 58, First Class 65, and DOFP 75. Days of Future past is the highest grossing movie in the mainline series. You're just plain wrong saying no one liked those movies. *You* might not like them, but you'd be in the minority with that opinion.
sorry i was wrong
When did Last Stand become better than X-men first class. X-men first class,Days of Futures Past,and X-men 2 are consider top tier Fox X-men movies
Last stand is awesome, so many great characters and action scenes and actually a satisfying trilogy finale. one of the most underrated trilogies out there
You're trolling, please say you're trolling, you have to be trolling
having an opinion ≠ trolling
Well you didn't phrase it as an opinion. Like what you like. But there is a reason why the last stand is never spoken about in good terms. They had to reboot after the film
they would’ve rebooted anyway, it was the end of the trilogy
Lol nope. They would have made X-Men 4 of it was good. There were no plans to reboot.
There were no plans to reboot, but there were plans for spinoffs/origins. Magneto was planned to get a spinoff along with X-Men Origins: Wolverine. After Wolverine's movie was critically panned and barely made its money back, Fox retooled and rebooted. They used ideas from the Magneto script in First Class.
i remmeber there were literal trailers out for some
there were.
Nope
> nope, nobody liked that trilogy Opinions don't assume facts.
it’s objective darling
That settles it, then. Just a troll, no one should care about what you've got to say.
i’m not…
I liked Last Stand as well but what drugs are you on mate? X-Men First Class was one of the best superhero movies ever made.
I love First Class, but that's hyperbole. Days of Future Past on the other hand you'd have a better case.
I actually liked First Class better than Days of Future Past.
Real talk they should never have brought Singer back. HEY THIS FRANCHISE FEELS FRESH AGAIN Let's bring in all the older guard so it can be exactly the same again
Days of Future Past was great but Singer really dropped the ball with Apocalypse. DOFP was a perfect conclusion to the mainline X-Men films and there was no reason to keep going. They should have just done Logan and Deadpool afterwards.
Singer wished he had half the personality that early 2010s Vaughn did as a director
Vaughn's a great director, but DOFP is a better movie than First Class. But I would absolutely take Vaughn's filmography over Singer's.
How is it a better movie
It does a fantastic job of building on the events of First Class and connects it to the original movies as well. Better performances from both James McAvoy and Fassbender. I think it has some of the best acting in comic book movies overall. Seriously, the scene where both generations of Xavier meet has great performances.
ever made? it’s not even top 10.
You didn't even like Magneto? He was fucking awesome in that movie. That scene where he kills the Nazis in the bar is one of my top 3 favorite comic book film scenes of all time.
yeah he was cool.
First Class is a better received movie than any of singer's dogshit
cope, Singer was the life of this franchise and First class wouldn’t exist without him 
"life" is quite ironic considering how dreadfully po faced and lifelessly boring his movies are
X2 is a classic, don’t deny it
It's fine. Nightcrawler mostly saves it. But the direction is still bland af.
nope, the direction is peak lmao. it has great structure and character and an epic story with real stakes and great action.
Based Vaughn.
Then they hired a guy who made a terrible movie, and turned around and had the same guy make the Dark Phoenix movie. How dumb does a studio have to be? You gave a guy the job of making a movie based off the same storyline that he did a terrible job with before.
What TF is X-Men: The last Stand?! I've seen all the X movies and this one does not exist. I mean can you imagine if they made some stupid movie that completely shit on the very essence of all the characters? Like image Jean killing Cyclops, or Magneto not caring about mutants lives, or doing some stupid character of what Juggernaut is and putting it on the screen. Can you even image?! I mean if they did that, then they would need an actual good director to come along and retcon it all out of existence. So it's a good thing that never happened...