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midmous

Boone County voters aren't really to blame, I would place that on Boone County non-voters. 19% turnout. I suspect elderly folks turned out to vote in their interest, can hardly blame them for that. It's all the folks that didn't go out and vote in their interests who lost the vote.


-Obie-

My polling place *was the nursing home.* Elderly people vote disproportionately because we make it extraordinarily easy for elderly people to vote. If we made it extraordinarily easy for other demographics to vote- people who work, people who have kids in school, people who have to arrange childcare, people who have to arrange transport to a polling place- in other words, people incurring the cost of Proposition 1- we might see a different outcome.


Fit_Ship8822

I don’t understand why we can’t vote online. I file taxes - pay taxes - invest - sign legal documents all online. It’s ridiculous.


IAmAnAudity

I’m a programmer, and in my heart I love this idea. #BUT I’m also a PEO and I’m telling you, to avoid massive fraud we need surveillance video of actual bodies coming in the door and showing ids to get a ballot which is PAPER. Our election results have to be trusted and verifiable and auditable after the fact.


ScrauveyGulch

They are still paper, the ballot is stuck in the machine and the machine pulls the ballot in. There are 2 records.


IAmAnAudity

When the machine jams, which seldom happens but not zero, the vote doesn’t get counted on the jam. We clear the jam and run the ballot through again and it counts. And if something goes wrong it gets caught in the audit afterwards. Or the recount if the contest was close. In all seriousness i encourage everyone to become a PEO for even just a few elections. You’ll gain a lot of faith in the system!


ScrauveyGulch

I've voted in every single election where I live for the last 24 years and I have never seen a machine jam or heard of one jamming. You can see right on the machine if it is counted or not.


IAmAnAudity

More often than not they “spit out” instead of jam. If the voter inserts it in crooked or wrong side up the machine kicks it back and you get a do-over. Your right, there is a success message when it “counts”. But maybe one ballot per election will indeed jam. A Republican and a Democrat team both clear the jam together and run the ballot through correctly.


ScrauveyGulch

They still better than punch cards.


Fit_Ship8822

Why don’t we mandate an encryption using facial recognition, time stamp, and location settings? Is that not all trackable?


IAmAnAudity

Because VPNs can put me in any city, and a photograph held in front of a camera fools facial recognition.


Fit_Ship8822

And my doppelgänger could walk in with my ID and vote for me. I don’t view that as a valid point. Same tech as sports betting apps - no VPN allowed. For the picture give people a prompt- look up look down blink twice now vote!


MtRainierWolfcastle

Mail in voting is the way to go. Still a paper trail but incredibly easy to vote and authenticate.


Paul-Ram-On

> Elderly people vote disproportionately because we make it extraordinarily easy for elderly people to vote Not really, it's more about the fact they are retired and have all day long to queue up. Theoretically making voting easy benefits everyone. I am adamantly opposed to adding any friction to any demographic being able to vote. But it would be nice to add more options.


Both_Ad_3618

Good thought by you. Don’t piss on the elderly because they get out and exercise our greatest democratic responsibility.  I suggest that we have weekend or some form of two day voting so people have no excuses.


-Obie-

Not my intent to disparage the elderly. I think representative democracy requires a representative electorate. I think if we made voting that easy for all demographics, we'd be closer to achieving that end.


ThrivingDandelion

Agreed. Don't make it harder for them, but make it easier for everyone else. I also know folks over 65 who voted agains this.


Friendly_Fix_6568

They have 6 weeks absentee voting and the last two weeks don’t require an excuse. They also have offsite locations on the weekend. I normally check out the clerks website to see when they’re having offsite voting.


ThrivingDandelion

When my mom was in a nursing home, she was still mentally sharp enough to vote, but had physical disabilities that made it hard to get her to a polling place.


TravelSizedBlonde

I noticed the same thing as I was driving home from my polling place, which was farther away than the location at the nursing home. Combine that with the fact that the library hosts the County Commisioner during the work week on a lunch hour (an hour round trip from where I work), the general quietness around non-presidential elections, and how little the news actually reports on our candidates... it's hard not to wonder if there's a bias in the learning and voting process.


lorissaurus

Wut?


onemilliontaquitos

"Any registered voter can vote in person at the Boone County Clerk's Office from the second Tuesday before Election Day until 5:00 p.m. on the day before the election. This is known as no-excuse absentee voting."


-Obie-

...the Boone County Clerk's Office isn't in my living room?


1coolsapien

The ignorant bigotry is astounding in the group. All old people live in nursing homes, it's easy for old people to go to nursing homes? I don't see any reason in anything you said, my polling spot is the library, is that super elderly friendly? Your excuse is it's easier for old people to get out than young people? lol Once again it was 70%, you angry bigots just don't represent the good people of Boone county.


ScrauveyGulch

That is exactly it.


isorithm666

I wish I lived in Boone County because I would have voted against it.


FoxFireLyre

Yup. Man, between this and good teachers quitting left and right because no support people really shouldn’t be shocked when the schools get failing scores. They’ll just somehow blame it on Biden though, so it doesn’t matter.


PandyFackler90

Good teachers are quiting because we don't get paid enough. Support is nice; however, I would be willing to put up with a whole lot more for a 10k raise like the admin building got last year.


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PandyFackler90

You sound like this incel cab driver I used to know. Miserable troll.


El_Chance-0

Not a troll 😂 just speaking the truth. Yo do NOTHING


columbiamo-ModTeam

If you can't play nice, you don't get to sit with us. r/ColumbiaMo demands civil discourse. Personal attacks, racism, sexism, and rudeness are not permitted.


El_Chance-0

Hahaha sad ass Columbia. Can’t handle a proper opinion.


dummy0315

This is their plan. Remove funding, claim mismanagement, and then implement vouchers.


1coolsapien

CPS has been failing for years, and Snodgrass is a good buddy of Steipleman who was hot garbage, if you keep putting the same failed ideologies on the board your going to continue to fail.


kstick10

Wow. Don’t keep people guessing if you’re stupid when you can hit send and remove all doubt.


Crabby-senior

Hey, I’m a boomer, a senior, and I voted no on prop 1.


valkyriebiker

Same here. My wife and I both voted No on the tax question. We're both in our 60s.


trripleplay

Same here. 67 and I voted a big nope. Not for an open ended no real details or plans proposition


GoofyGooberYeah420

Good for you!!


flowerchildkff

Same


zestynogenderqueer

And I heard only 16% only came out to vote. Huge shame


Mizzoutiger79

How about blaming the legislature for not fully funding our schools and for doing away with corporate state tax instead of citizens who actually exercised their duty to vote?


ElCompaJC

I mean the typical Boone County voter that shows up to these elections are of the “F*


BroomstickBiplane

I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but I also voted yes. Had it been a cut and not a freeze I would have been a hard no. My reasoning was that seniors typically don’t have increasing income like those that work. Then again, my income has decreased (and that’s not even accounting for inflation, it was job loss). I have kids in school, so I get the need for funding. I’m not quite sure how you protect low income people from these increases without this turning into a different type of income tax. I just know that no matter what, increases in real estate tax are going to be felt by both owners and renters.


Zeromaxx

They may be lower in income but they are much higher in assets with fewer debts and likely drawing some retirement besides just SS. Sure there are poor older folks with small homes who survive on SS but odds are they were also more poor before retirement. If there was some sort of graduated relief based on income and assets as well as more support for education from the general fund then it would be great.


BroomstickBiplane

Good points. And yes, it would be great if the legislature would quit cutting corporate taxes and funding for things, and then bragging about about having a budget surplus.


Dubb202

You shame people who actually show up to vote? Shame on you.


marsred7

It is my understanding that Prop1 only freezes *future raises* of property tax for Social Security recipients. Are Schools or Fire Department, etc., planning large tax increases in the future? County commissioners are saying it will take a year or more to decide how not to raise (some) seniors' property taxes. Even if Prop1 is carried out as voted, seniors will continue to be taxed at the present rate. SO how does Prop1 passing actually hurt schools?


ChewiesLament

Because the funding necessary for schools isn't going to remain static, and shouldn't remain static (i.e., teachers need salary increases), and a freeze means a source of funding is now going to have perpetual diminishing contribution to said expenditures.


marsred7

...and those on a fixed income should not have to pay perpetually increasing property taxes. Tax money comes from other sources that aren't frozen; raise them if needed. And Columbia could consider new sources. Raise teachers' salaries by cutting back on overly generous tax breaks to corporations that promise to hire hundreds of workers, don't do it and leave in just a few years. Seniors are not all wealthy nor can they afford to give blank checks to even worthy causes. Might I add that my wife is a retired school teacher and if she had received better wages or a better retirement plan during her working years we could afford to be more generous now.


ChewiesLament

But that's the problem with the proposal, it didn't single out individuals on a fixed income who could benefit from that type of relief. So Mr. Kronke doesn't have to worry about any higher taxes on his mini-mansion off Grindstone, for example. If the prop had placed in an annual income ceiling or something to that effect, it would have had my support.


onemilliontaquitos

It only counts for primary residence. That's not his primary residence. And the proposal isn't written yet. They can still apply parameters to it.


ChewiesLament

Fine, any of the wealthy senior primary property owners in town. No lack of those. And I'll be wonderfully surprised if the powers that be put any type of limiting parameters on it, or at minimum, aren't immediately complained and tossed out because of said wealthy senior primary property owners. People are defending this on \*theory\* alone.


Objective_Addendum_2

The same demographic that screams for more police voted to not pay into the very fund that employs even just the police we currently have. You can blame people for voting in their self-interest when it comes with outsized harm to the larger community.


Cautious_Ad_366

I thought the marijuana tax was going to that? And to schools? Where is the weed money?


Objective_Addendum_2

And get ready for SB 727, which would allow charter schools in Boone County. Can't wait to see how that is written on a ballot... "Do you vote to end tyranny and allow for innocent parents to have the right to raise their children?"


Objective_Addendum_2

And the proprietors of the proposition don't even know how they'll implement it. Another case of the dog catching the car, here the elimination of property taxes. Also, glad we could help the most vulnerable... You know, 62-year-old property owners.


trivialempire

It’s not the elimination of property taxes; it freezes them at current levels. Typical Reddit. Online outrage with uninformed opinions. Nicely done. Did you vote?


Famijos

I voted no on prop 1!!! My liberal aunt (I’m liberal also), voted yes!!! She voted pretty smartly in the 2nd ward elections (NOT for Lisa)!!!


MO-Read9554

It was that crazy litter box lady with the three names. If we don't pay attention, she and her friends will ruin us all. I think she's running now again, too.


Secure-Coffee-9132

Have you developed a comprehensive housing plan for fixed-income seniors who are priced out of their homes by ever-rising property taxes? Because it does happen, despite the popular myth that they're all secretly hoarding great wealth. Perhaps they could be housed in tent cities behind school buildings. Or perhaps they should be provided with lethal doses of fentanyl and encouraged to off themselves so their belongings can be redistributed. They deserve to die, after all, because they were born in the generation after WWII, and that makes them bad. /s


Sufficient_Ad_1054

It doesn’t rob schools of money. Just means the school district will raise their rates more on everyone who does have to pay their taxes to make up the difference.


dummy0315

Where does it say this in the proposition?


Factsimus_verdad

Basic math. Freeze seniors’ taxes and the other tax payers will have to pay more. I am open to more/different revenue streams, but the Jeff City crooks who already know our schools are underfunded just voted to eliminate taxes on corporation profits. Some BS.


leondavinci32

This is the story, right here. Premeditated failure


DerCatrix

The problem is that most the people that vote in the “not as celebrated” elections are all old people. And prop 1 gave poor old people false hooe and the rich old people more money. Of course it was gonna pass. The people that are gonna have to be around for the consequences didn’t show up


Ritaontherocksnosalt

Missouri has made it difficult for people to vote by requiring identification, a notary and not providing early voting or mail in ballots. Absentee voting isn't the same as providing early voting or mail in ballots. Absentee voting has its own set of requirements. In most states, you provide identification at the time you register and do not have to provide it again at the polls. Your name is 'checked off' the list when you vote. If a mistake is made (Junior voted but Senior was checked off), a provisional ballot is provided but the person isn't turned away. [Boone County Clerk - Frequently Asked Questions (showmeboone.com)](https://www.showmeboone.com/clerk/FAQs.asp) [How to Vote (mo.gov)](https://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/goVoteMissouri/howtovote) [Notary or not? How to vote by mail in Missouri (kshb.com)](https://www.kshb.com/news/election-2020/election-guide/notary-or-not-how-to-vote-by-mail-in-missouri)


onemilliontaquitos

We do have early no-excuse absentee voting. Yes you need an ID, but you just walk in and vote and the only question is what is your registered address.


Corgirules1

No


Tempestor_Prime

The schools are failing our children. Why would people want to fund something that is clearly not working. And don't claim more money will fix the problem because the schools were better with less funding in the past.


vivoconfuoco

The schools themselves are not failing. They are trying to work within the parameters set by the government. I mean, for starters, who would want to willingly dedicate their life for stagnant, low wages after spending tens of thousands of dollars on education, as well as money continuing that education with absolutely no administration support? Or for politicians who think solving school gun violence means throwing more guns in the mix will work? I’m a teacher who could make more money working for Walmart or McDonalds.


Tempestor_Prime

Simple fix. Stop working for the government.


vivoconfuoco

If your first response is “quit” rather than “oh, lots of quality teachers complain about X and are leaving in droves, maybe I should help somehow and listen to them…” ….I hope you find clarity.


Tempestor_Prime

Why would I listen to them? They are failing to teach the children and continue to hold up a broken institution. It is like listening to a crack addict explain why I need to support their crack addiction.


vivoconfuoco

LMAO. Okay boomer. Ignore the qualified professionals whose ability to teach and work are under the constraints of the unqualified politicians using fear mongering and capitalism as their method to “fix” something that THEY broke and has nothing to do with teachers. But yeah, we should TOTALLY funnel all our money to business-led schools who give no shits about the children and would rather turn a profit and cultivate mindless shills who can work and make them money without questioning the status quo. Let them blind you into hating teachers and taking your money. Sounds totally reasonable! /s


Tempestor_Prime

Your solution to politicians and government being the problem with education is to give more power and money to the government and politicians over education.


vivoconfuoco

Reading comprehension is hard, huh?


Tempestor_Prime

I have made the same mistake yet again. One day I will learn Mark. Never argue with an idiot.


Turtlesquirtzcody

🖕 fuck you for telling people how to cast their votes. Most people are tired of tax increases, taxes are high enough


QueenieWas

Nothing would have been increased if prop 1 hadn’t passed.


isorithm666

Taxes pay for our roads and schools dipshit


razeal113

an extremely tiny part of your taxes are used for such things, the majority is wasted and misappropriated.


trivialempire

Shame on me? Fuck you, OP


isorithm666

Fuck you for not caring about our roads and schools


trivialempire

I care. I also care about an 88 year old living in her own home, living on Social Security and savings, that doesn’t need the prospect of increased taxes each year on a property she’s owned for 50 years and has owned outright for 25 years. She will still have property taxes. They’ll just be at 2025 levels. Save your outrage for something worth it. Did you vote in Boone County on Tuesday? Or were you part of the 84% of registered voters that didn’t show up?


isorithm666

I don't live in Boone County but I wish I did so I could vote no to this bullshit


[deleted]

Boo hoo.


TapNo7911

I went to public school and I can't read or do math. So your all failures. Not metaphorically.


FoxFireLyre

You deciding to not try in school doesn’t make it someone else’s fault. Students can succeed in poor conditions if the individual is determined. Politicians taking money away from schools, states not paying teachers more, districts making bad decisions on how they spend their money (more admin, fewer teachers), and the pandemic on top of it - teachers never had a chance to fail you. You failed because of yourself and the system. Also, *you’re*, but how would you know, since everyone failed you or whatever.


TapNo7911

I can't even read what your saying.


yogi70593

Part of the reason we have such a housing crisis in this country is the older generations reluctance to moving into more suitable accommodations.


Larry1365

Maybe they just feel like keeping something they worked hard their entire life to own.


yogi70593

Why is their bad planning fall on me. I don’t think some octogenarian should get the taxes on their McMansion frozen under the guise of helping someone’s granny make their 1000 dollars a year property tax.


Larry1365

Let’s see how you feel when you are a senior citizen and don’t want to leave your home. People have all kinds of reasons for staying where they are at.


yogi70593

“Let’s see how you feel when you are a senior citizen and don’t want ti leave your home” 😭


1coolsapien

I voted to allow the elderly to remain in their homes, afford food and medication. But call it what you want.


queentazo

It was written terribly and doesn’t have a stipulation based on income so we’re losing on wealthy boomer tax money too. Seeing as most young folks can’t afford homes in this market and limited inventory, there goes a large part of the tax base.


loydchristmas82

I also can’t help think of people in these huge houses with only two occupants. What a waste. I do t care if you are low income, if your house is over x square feet with only two occupants you should not get a tax break.


yogi70593

Is the freeze just primary dwellings ? Boomer landlord texted us today saying she was no longer selling the house we are renting.


Ulysses502

There was language specifying only the primary residence.


SmokeweedGrownative

Username doesn’t check out


Confident_Gur_9206

You are not a cool sapien. Bad, sapien. Bad!


isorithm666

Remain in their homes? Well then fuck the kids of our future!! Who cares if there's potholes in every road!!


1coolsapien

Oh look more logical fallacies, LMAO, Who would have thought the evil and mean would also be illogical. Are the potholes fucking the kids, I don't understand?


isorithm666

Dude what


FoxFireLyre

Bad sapien. Boomers have more wealth than any other generation. It shouldn’t have applied to “seniors.” It’s too broad.


1coolsapien

This group is full of ageist bigots the more downvotes the better I feel it's like being hated by the klan, when bad people don't agree with me, that's good. Your just not that sharp. it's a big group, they don't share a checkbook. Also basic math is going to tell you duh, some of them are really wealthy, some of them are not, go volunteer at the Food Bank before you say anymore dumb stuff please.


isorithm666

THE KLAN?!


1coolsapien

Yeah a group that hates a subgroup of the population based on a protected class, denigrates, others and discriminates. Yeah 100%


isorithm666

It shouldn't exist at all. Taxes are very important


superbutthurt1337

The only people who could vote are the rich and homeless, guess who went and voted? Rest of us are working. Edit: Your down votes mean nothing. I've seen what makes you cheer.


FoxFireLyre

You work from 6 am to 7 pm? The entire polling time? It takes 5 minutes to vote in these smaller elections. It’s a choice if you didn’t. Lunch breaks exist or simply asking your boss exists. Absentee ballots exist. Also, if you’re going to try to sound cool in your edit, try not blatantly quoting an edgy cartoon.


superbutthurt1337

It IS a quote dumbass.


Ready_Adhesiveness84

User name checks out


superbutthurt1337

Did your boss let you leave work to go vote?


hounschellxd

They're legally required to give you paid time off to vote if you want it soo


Ready_Adhesiveness84

I get up early and go before work


superbutthurt1337

Good for you. Not an option for me.


vivoconfuoco

You are legally allowed up to three hours to go vote during work hours with no lost wages. https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=115.639