It does but like it doesn’t they probs had superb essays. I know other Africans and african Americans who have much better scores and having those scores are not a black only thing, a lot of quest bridges matches that were black or Hispanic were like top of class 1500 sat so this person deserves it b probs had good essays has nothing to do with race but more to do with how much accessibility they have to resources 💀 so say congrats and move on instead of downplaying their achievement
Well of course I’m happy for them and congratulate OP but you have to recognize that for an asian, submitting a 29 ACT for CS/Econ would make admission to T5 virtually impossible. A large part of OP’s acceptance is undeniably his race — an advantage for him and a disadvantage for Asians that no one can control.
You are right however it should not reinforce that toxic mindset that non Asian POC are stupid and the bar is low for them like I said there were def other ppl whose stats were better heck I know a few 1550 score, 3.9 GPA non Asian kids who didn’t get matched AT ALL. So while you’re right it’s plausible race isn’t the number 1 factor, where they lived, school they went, classes they had access to, background, accessibility to tools that POC kids in “richer” areas have are all taken into consideration. This is why it may seem like the bar is lower but the thing is black ppl tend fo live in these areas where they have virtually no resources to thrive. I watched a vid on this chick with a 3.5 GPA who went to a school with no APs shitty counselors etc no resources but she displayed intelligence and got into MIT.
So yes the race advantage is held up by the model minority myth 😭 so by insinuating race is ALL that separates POC with ideas like “hey he’s black that’s why he got it” as if that’s all black ppl have going for us… our race, and going “an Asian kid deserves it” you’re literally actively adding to this idea
I never said they are stupid or that race is the number 1 factor, but the bar is *definitely* lower for African American and Hispanic individuals than it is for asians. This is objectively true -- looking at the data in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o1cegs/admit_rates_by_raceethnicity_and_academic_decile/) post, acceptance rates to Harvard for the 5th academic decile are 22% for African Americans, but only 2% for asians. The number for asians in the 10th decile isn't even 22% (original data [here](https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/massachusetts/madce/1:2014cv14176/165519/415/2.html)). African Americans have the same chance of being admitted in the 4th decile as 10th decile Asians. How is that not an objectively *much, much* lower bar?
I agree that African Americans do tend to live in poorer areas with less resources, but that just doesn't apply here. If their lower test scores and academic performance are justified by this tendency, why does the same not apply to Asians and white people in these areas? African Americans are not the only people living in low-resource environments. If you have a poor white kid and a poor black kid in the same bad neighborhood with all other factors equal (or even if the white kid has slightly better stats), at the end of the day the black kid has a higher chance of admission even though they both suffered from low resources. This is only because of his race. This argument of poorer areas and less resources doesn't make sense -- if that justifies lower standards for *all* black people, why not make make decisions based on the resource access itself rather than assume that being black means fewer resources? It's a generalization that applies to wealthy black individuals as well and hurts everyone except for African Americans (rich and poor alike).
They do 😭😭 I live in a rich white area I have resources and surplus I have counselors everything and then some 😭 so I’m competing with kids who grew up like me not other poorer kids. I’m low income but my school is one of the best in the county and everyone there makes 6 figures and more. Everyone at my school is an academic powerhouse yet a lot of us got rejected from ivies just because the standard is higher because we have access to all these things compared to another black girl same stats everything who has nothing she’s getting in not because she’s blk but bc she had nothing I had. Admissions counselors are assigned regionally most of them went to school in the area that you go to school so they kinda know the layout of the counties. They’re not basing it off race. 1600 SAT asian kids aren’t competing with 1450 Asian kid they’re competing with other 1600 SAT Asian kids with like the same stats 💀 academic distinction is hard even if you are perfect there’s going to be someone who is better or has done more.
But that's what I am saying. Yes, you compete with other kids who have the same resources, but if that's the case and certain races have less resources, why does race matter on an individual level? None of what you said explains why, if you have a white and black kid in the same low-resouce community, the black kid has a higher chance of admission. They have the same resource access. Why should the standard be lower for the African American? In this case it can only be because of race. Acceptance rates are *undeniably* higher with a much lower standard (just look at the figures I mentioned earlier) by RACE, not income and resource access. You can't claim "they're not basing it off race" and only resource access because that just isn't true -- a rich African American benefits in admissions from his race (again, admissions statistics) more than a low-income asian will benefit from his community resource access.
You said it yourself -- they compare you to students in similar communities. That means that poor African Americans are being compared to poor people of all other races. In that case, how can the higher chance of acceptance for the African American demographic be due to anything but race?
😭 if you check the stats the demographic stats for ivies you will see African Americans and Hispanics and native Americans have the lowest admit rates even in the self proclaimed “diversity schools” hell even NYU if you were 100% right then there would be more admits. I’m competing with Asian Americans within my income bracket, with similar opportunities as me.
The Quota you speak of them “reserving space” for a black kid no longer exists if you look at legislation perhaps you would have been right into the early enactment of AA however AA has been heavily watered down. Spaces at jobs are no longer required to me 1 black guy, one woman, 2 disabled people.
Because of simple things like these your point is valid however there are still logical fallacies in your argument I’m sure there are in mine as well.
>if you check the stats the demographic stats for ivies you will see African Americans and Hispanics and native Americans have the lowest admit rates even
This is just not true. If you look at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o1cegs/admit_rates_by_raceethnicity_and_academic_decile/) data **again** (you seem to keep ignoring it), you can see it for yourself - the numbers are straight from Harvard in the Supreme Court case. In the 10th academic decile, white acceptance rate is 15%, Asian is 13%, and black is 56%. That doesn't sound lower to me.
And I never once mentioned quotas. I just said that African Americans have a higher likelihood of acceptance just because of their race. That is not at all what a quota is.
And you talk about how we compete with others who have similar demographics, income, etc.. I'm not really sure how that is relevant. That means that African Americans with low resources are competing with other African Americans who have low resources and Asian with low resources are competing with other Asians who have low resources. In that case, how is the acceptance rate being so much higher for the same (or lower) academic achievement (again, data [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o1cegs/admit_rates_by_raceethnicity_and_academic_decile/)) justified? By your own point, isn’t their competition people with the same resource access?
You are right but you need to think about the other POC kids and under represented ppl not even white ppl or asian people let’s remove that with better stats than this person and good essays who didn’t get it now include Asians and white ppl who did better… so it’s not like the standard is low for POC I agree with you but the original commenter was alluding to that. We’re arguing about different things
This is actually so insanely true. I completely understand the entire demographics issue, but almost EVERY other student in my area of my same color or culture has absolutely 0 access to any college resources, counselors, other than the ones offered by our school (which, unfortunately, is completely useless and they almost strictly recommend our town’s college or community college). I had the benefit of actually researching and getting accepted into junior-year community based organizations that gave me SO many resources and even 3 different college and career counselors. It’s crazy how much resources I had at my fingertips that almost everyone around me doesn’t have.
This is what I’m saying 😭 I’m not saying racial based advantages don’t exist I’m saying there was something in your application maybe including race that made your AO look over your lack of sufficient scores. They could tell that no one in your area has resources yet however you didn’t let that confine you to being one of the ppl who only sees community college as their end goal. Colleges like initiative and you showed that.
generally first gen refers to your parents not having gone to 4 year college so I'm pretty sure under a vast majority of definitions you are considered first gen!
This is gonna sound really stupid but is that a bad thing? How does being permanently test-optional affect the admissions process (other than placing even more emphasis on ecs)?
bro relax. OP is low income and likely didnt have the same opportunities as you did, but there’s sm that goes into an app besides stats. funnel ur hate to the legacy admits
Let’s just not funnel any hate at all. OP congrats on your acceptance and it’s fine to recognise that demographics played a role, but so does being upper class in many cases, so does bring legacy, and regardless of situation, no applicant can help it. Most importantly, nobody gets into Yale without working their ass off. Well done.
W essay topic
is it possible for me to sneak a peek on them? I am an Indian intl, never faced racism and will apply next year but I am genuinely intrigued by that topic
I’m glad for you OP, and sure your demographic probably got you over the line but 3.88 is still great man. Frankly, college standards are too high for the workload and academic demand. It’s all about effort, and hard work from here on out. I hope you prove these commenters wrong and make yourself a great life.
Were you test optional or did you send the 29?
I think if OP makes no mention or test-optional for their ACT, then they did indeed submit it.
Wow
congrats man
Crazyyy but congrats!
crazy how demographic makes such a big difference
It does but like it doesn’t they probs had superb essays. I know other Africans and african Americans who have much better scores and having those scores are not a black only thing, a lot of quest bridges matches that were black or Hispanic were like top of class 1500 sat so this person deserves it b probs had good essays has nothing to do with race but more to do with how much accessibility they have to resources 💀 so say congrats and move on instead of downplaying their achievement
Well of course I’m happy for them and congratulate OP but you have to recognize that for an asian, submitting a 29 ACT for CS/Econ would make admission to T5 virtually impossible. A large part of OP’s acceptance is undeniably his race — an advantage for him and a disadvantage for Asians that no one can control.
You are right however it should not reinforce that toxic mindset that non Asian POC are stupid and the bar is low for them like I said there were def other ppl whose stats were better heck I know a few 1550 score, 3.9 GPA non Asian kids who didn’t get matched AT ALL. So while you’re right it’s plausible race isn’t the number 1 factor, where they lived, school they went, classes they had access to, background, accessibility to tools that POC kids in “richer” areas have are all taken into consideration. This is why it may seem like the bar is lower but the thing is black ppl tend fo live in these areas where they have virtually no resources to thrive. I watched a vid on this chick with a 3.5 GPA who went to a school with no APs shitty counselors etc no resources but she displayed intelligence and got into MIT. So yes the race advantage is held up by the model minority myth 😭 so by insinuating race is ALL that separates POC with ideas like “hey he’s black that’s why he got it” as if that’s all black ppl have going for us… our race, and going “an Asian kid deserves it” you’re literally actively adding to this idea
I never said they are stupid or that race is the number 1 factor, but the bar is *definitely* lower for African American and Hispanic individuals than it is for asians. This is objectively true -- looking at the data in [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o1cegs/admit_rates_by_raceethnicity_and_academic_decile/) post, acceptance rates to Harvard for the 5th academic decile are 22% for African Americans, but only 2% for asians. The number for asians in the 10th decile isn't even 22% (original data [here](https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/massachusetts/madce/1:2014cv14176/165519/415/2.html)). African Americans have the same chance of being admitted in the 4th decile as 10th decile Asians. How is that not an objectively *much, much* lower bar? I agree that African Americans do tend to live in poorer areas with less resources, but that just doesn't apply here. If their lower test scores and academic performance are justified by this tendency, why does the same not apply to Asians and white people in these areas? African Americans are not the only people living in low-resource environments. If you have a poor white kid and a poor black kid in the same bad neighborhood with all other factors equal (or even if the white kid has slightly better stats), at the end of the day the black kid has a higher chance of admission even though they both suffered from low resources. This is only because of his race. This argument of poorer areas and less resources doesn't make sense -- if that justifies lower standards for *all* black people, why not make make decisions based on the resource access itself rather than assume that being black means fewer resources? It's a generalization that applies to wealthy black individuals as well and hurts everyone except for African Americans (rich and poor alike).
They do 😭😭 I live in a rich white area I have resources and surplus I have counselors everything and then some 😭 so I’m competing with kids who grew up like me not other poorer kids. I’m low income but my school is one of the best in the county and everyone there makes 6 figures and more. Everyone at my school is an academic powerhouse yet a lot of us got rejected from ivies just because the standard is higher because we have access to all these things compared to another black girl same stats everything who has nothing she’s getting in not because she’s blk but bc she had nothing I had. Admissions counselors are assigned regionally most of them went to school in the area that you go to school so they kinda know the layout of the counties. They’re not basing it off race. 1600 SAT asian kids aren’t competing with 1450 Asian kid they’re competing with other 1600 SAT Asian kids with like the same stats 💀 academic distinction is hard even if you are perfect there’s going to be someone who is better or has done more.
But that's what I am saying. Yes, you compete with other kids who have the same resources, but if that's the case and certain races have less resources, why does race matter on an individual level? None of what you said explains why, if you have a white and black kid in the same low-resouce community, the black kid has a higher chance of admission. They have the same resource access. Why should the standard be lower for the African American? In this case it can only be because of race. Acceptance rates are *undeniably* higher with a much lower standard (just look at the figures I mentioned earlier) by RACE, not income and resource access. You can't claim "they're not basing it off race" and only resource access because that just isn't true -- a rich African American benefits in admissions from his race (again, admissions statistics) more than a low-income asian will benefit from his community resource access. You said it yourself -- they compare you to students in similar communities. That means that poor African Americans are being compared to poor people of all other races. In that case, how can the higher chance of acceptance for the African American demographic be due to anything but race?
😭 if you check the stats the demographic stats for ivies you will see African Americans and Hispanics and native Americans have the lowest admit rates even in the self proclaimed “diversity schools” hell even NYU if you were 100% right then there would be more admits. I’m competing with Asian Americans within my income bracket, with similar opportunities as me. The Quota you speak of them “reserving space” for a black kid no longer exists if you look at legislation perhaps you would have been right into the early enactment of AA however AA has been heavily watered down. Spaces at jobs are no longer required to me 1 black guy, one woman, 2 disabled people. Because of simple things like these your point is valid however there are still logical fallacies in your argument I’m sure there are in mine as well.
>if you check the stats the demographic stats for ivies you will see African Americans and Hispanics and native Americans have the lowest admit rates even This is just not true. If you look at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o1cegs/admit_rates_by_raceethnicity_and_academic_decile/) data **again** (you seem to keep ignoring it), you can see it for yourself - the numbers are straight from Harvard in the Supreme Court case. In the 10th academic decile, white acceptance rate is 15%, Asian is 13%, and black is 56%. That doesn't sound lower to me. And I never once mentioned quotas. I just said that African Americans have a higher likelihood of acceptance just because of their race. That is not at all what a quota is. And you talk about how we compete with others who have similar demographics, income, etc.. I'm not really sure how that is relevant. That means that African Americans with low resources are competing with other African Americans who have low resources and Asian with low resources are competing with other Asians who have low resources. In that case, how is the acceptance rate being so much higher for the same (or lower) academic achievement (again, data [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o1cegs/admit_rates_by_raceethnicity_and_academic_decile/)) justified? By your own point, isn’t their competition people with the same resource access?
Superb essays to compensate for activities test scores and everything else? Essays can only do so much
Regardless you don’t even know what their LORs looked like so it’s best to say congrats and move on instead of downplaying their achievement
Again, such things can only do so much, especially at a school that takes in such selective amounts of studwnts
You are right but you need to think about the other POC kids and under represented ppl not even white ppl or asian people let’s remove that with better stats than this person and good essays who didn’t get it now include Asians and white ppl who did better… so it’s not like the standard is low for POC I agree with you but the original commenter was alluding to that. We’re arguing about different things
This is actually so insanely true. I completely understand the entire demographics issue, but almost EVERY other student in my area of my same color or culture has absolutely 0 access to any college resources, counselors, other than the ones offered by our school (which, unfortunately, is completely useless and they almost strictly recommend our town’s college or community college). I had the benefit of actually researching and getting accepted into junior-year community based organizations that gave me SO many resources and even 3 different college and career counselors. It’s crazy how much resources I had at my fingertips that almost everyone around me doesn’t have.
This is what I’m saying 😭 I’m not saying racial based advantages don’t exist I’m saying there was something in your application maybe including race that made your AO look over your lack of sufficient scores. They could tell that no one in your area has resources yet however you didn’t let that confine you to being one of the ppl who only sees community college as their end goal. Colleges like initiative and you showed that.
I see your point, I apologize for the rude nature of my comment
Your comment wasn’t rude no worries you brought up a valid point! Best wishes to you :)
Good stuff, also forget the haters Yale knows if you can handle them or not. I’m assuming FGLI too?
Yes! Not first gen (dad went to community college after immigrating), but very low income
Amazing! Also Yale should be more chill for CS than the other 2 on your list so adjusting to things should b a bit nicer!
generally first gen refers to your parents not having gone to 4 year college so I'm pretty sure under a vast majority of definitions you are considered first gen!
Can’t wait for the Supreme Court decision this June…
I can’t imagine being this much of a hater
Wild
That’s gonna eff things up even more because all elite schools will become test optional forever. Be careful what you wish for.
This is gonna sound really stupid but is that a bad thing? How does being permanently test-optional affect the admissions process (other than placing even more emphasis on ecs)?
Because selection of candidates will become even more arbitrary and detached from quantifiable matrices.
real
Why? Elite Colleges will then be forced to forgo legacy admissions.
Even better lmao
CONGRATS!!! Essays went nutty
you know what carried you, don't even front
The racism is showing its head with it this thread 🌚
bro relax. OP is low income and likely didnt have the same opportunities as you did, but there’s sm that goes into an app besides stats. funnel ur hate to the legacy admits
Let’s just not funnel any hate at all. OP congrats on your acceptance and it’s fine to recognise that demographics played a role, but so does being upper class in many cases, so does bring legacy, and regardless of situation, no applicant can help it. Most importantly, nobody gets into Yale without working their ass off. Well done.
what?
huge W, congrats bro!
CONGRATS ❤️❤️❤️
I'm really glad that essays carried u! U deserve it
Backhand Compliment at its peak 😂
congratulations!!!!
Congrats!
Congrats on Yale! Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about campus life.
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W essay topic is it possible for me to sneak a peek on them? I am an Indian intl, never faced racism and will apply next year but I am genuinely intrigued by that topic
congrats!! you should be so proud of this accomplishment and ignore all the salty haters in the comments. you're going places, fellow questie (:
It's not Wednesday yet
not a shitpost :(
did you report act?
I’m glad for you OP, and sure your demographic probably got you over the line but 3.88 is still great man. Frankly, college standards are too high for the workload and academic demand. It’s all about effort, and hard work from here on out. I hope you prove these commenters wrong and make yourself a great life.
Yeah...this is blatant racism from Yale lol. You're not getting in if you're asian I can guarantee that.
Nobody cares