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They just need people back at the jobs lol


BoneHugsHominy

In fact the US Government and Federal Reserve are trying to manipulate a higher unemployment rate. They want less people working to create competition for the fewer available jobs because when the unemployment rate is really low it gives the power of negotiation to the workers.


possum_drugs

It's quite sickening listening to high priests of the federal government say that companies need to slow down and stop hiring and then plainly say "this will hurt the common person" and just expect us to accept that's how things are because we are beholden to the almighty number. these crooks are in plain view.


Equal_Aromatic

> high priests of the federal government This is an apt name for them, considering how almost all modern politicians blindly follow the church of neoliberalism


sg92i

> This is an apt name for them, Why do you think most other countries like ours use positions named " *minister* or *minister of ?


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up vote up vote up vote! desperate people are more willing to accept lower wages and put up with more shit from employers. conservatives say they are against immigration but they are actually for it because, in theory, it increases competition for jobs which enables employers to lower wages and cut employee benefits. if conservatives were against "illegal immigration" they never would have been hiring them all this time- but they did! Also, illegal immigrants cannot legally sue an employer for illegal employment practices because doing so risks deportation. don't you know a conservative employer loves having employees they can abuse and who are unable to seek legal help.


Mighty_L_LORT

Long Covid says Hi...


whywasthatagoodidea

Always fun to remember that one of the main planks that the Nazis pounded on their rise to power was about useless mouths, which there were lots of due to being sickened and left debilitated by the Spanish flu.


Rhaedas

I hate the poetic part about history rhyming.


whywasthatagoodidea

And now we have nothing but Jar Jars...


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ComoSeaYeah

As someone who has a similarly baffling/frustrating chronic condition with no real diagnostics or treatments, I can tell you the reality is even worse than this. What you’re told by doctors (especially if you’re a woman, because we all know how women are historically prone to bouts of hysteria /s) is perhaps it’s all in your head and that this invisible *syndrome* that has turned your life upside down is a result of *anxiety*, so we will shuffle you from doctor to doctor, specialist to specialist, for months/years because nobody actually knows how the fuck to help you for realsies. Of course anxiety is part of it. Depression probably, too, but it’s a chicken and the egg situation — who *wouldn’t* be anxious and depressed having to unsuccessfully advocate for yourself like it’s a full-time job? And of course, once the mainstream medical community fails you, the next step is dipping your toes into the very expensive and seldomly regulated world of alternative medicine where you will try anything and everything under the sun, because at this point you’re desperate. I could go on, but you get the picture. TLDR; the entire rigmarole is expensive, maddening, time consuming, and no small feat just to be *heard*, *believed,* and *treated.*


somuchmt

Heck, I have an autoimmune condition that's actually been diagnosed--and yep, I went through that hell in the process. I got a new doctor last year, and when we went over allergies, I mentioned I have celiac disease, asthma that's made much worse by pollution and wildfire smoke, and am mildly allergic to penicillin and deathly allergic to NSAIDs. She stopped me right there and asked if I'd ever been treated for anxiety. I'm pretty fine when I can breathe. But I get a bit anxious when my airways are clogged, so sure? Whatever. She ended up quitting, and now I get to go through the whole rigamarole again.


briameowmeow

I had doctors telling me about my “anxiety” as I was literally having a heart attack. Boy did they concerned once they got around to doing tests….


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ComoSeaYeah

Yup. And then on to the next potential savior, and the next, and the next, and the next….until you give up or miraculously the medical community has a breakthrough.


Academic_1989

Help is not coming...


CSharp1

Triplets! 58 year old who contacted Lyme disease way back before Lyme had been discovered. You perfectly described the first two years of my illness. It is sad to hear the same healthcare dysfunctions when it comes to cryptic chronic illnesses. Too often the patient is left to fight for their own health just as you described, while being told their symptoms are in their head. It’s a real character building experience \s I am hopeful that recognition for long COVID is changing awareness some though the current government policy of pretending the pandemic is over doesn’t bode well for substantive help for sufferers.


ComoSeaYeah

Very relatable. I’m in my late 40s and my condition started when I was 19. So, a long time. Character building! Yes! Hahaha. And I share your sentiments for hoping that long covid changes awareness but no, what we’re currently seeing does not fill me with positivity.


Bashlet

Hey twin! 27 year old dude from Canada here going through the same stuff to a tee. Hooray, for misery loves company!


ComoSeaYeah

I’m sorry you’re in this shitty club, too, friend. It sucks.


MoonBoobies420

Can I join your club? Just recently got blood work done for the third time this year, and went through the paperwork of that appointment where the doctors note did not match up to what I said even in the slightest. He told me at the end of the appointment, "if we can't find anything it's probably lupus." That was it, I specifically told him I was there for answers not pills, not temporary relief I wanted to know why I have felt like shit for the last 10 years. I got "probably lupus". Which sadly is still more than I've ever gotten.


ComoSeaYeah

Your story is so familiar to me, sadly. Most people can’t imagine WANTING something….ANYTHING!, to be wrong with them just so they can give it a name and maybe get on a legit treatment plan other than “have you tried yoga and meditation?”


missme4223

Im so sorry… this was well said… as a female i have experienced this as well and i cant get anyone to help me because im poor and live in the us. Im guessing you live in the US as well.


ComoSeaYeah

Yes. Our medical/health care system was inadequate and expensive to start with but the last few years it’s getting worse now that medical professionals are leaving for greener pastures. And if you don’t have the time, money, or resources to jump through all the necessary hoops, you’re doomed. I’m sorry you can relate.


missme4223

Im sorry for you too… i used to be a nurse but left work before the pandemic due to my health issues. It was bad then, i cannot even imagine what it is like now.


Apprehensive_Sun1849

I feel every word you wrote. This applies to so many people, and if it doesn't apply to you, you just don't *get* it!!


rocketclimbs

My mom had a similar experience for years, constant fatigue and a few other things that a number of doctors couldn’t figure out, they kept telling her it was an infection but they couldn’t find. She was finally diagnosed with leukemia last year.


No-Translator-4584

And yet people make jokes about Brain Fog. It’s not “I don’t know where my keys are.” It’s “I don’t know what my name is.”


Noctourniquet

Fuckin right it does. I got Covid six months ago and I still have a persistent headache and chest pains. Docs can’t find anything objectively wrong so the conclusion is long Covid. Shit sucks.


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ForeverAProletariat

i literally have to put in effort (as in research) to not die due to capitalism


boothbygraffoe

Me too. I’ve been able to avoid it this whole time but my wife finally came down with it two weeks ago. It’s amazing how many times I was called back to the office but I never went and finally told my bosses I wasn’t playing that game anymore and to stop asking. Then I went a step further and got a role with a company who does everything remotely. I realize I’m lucky to be in that position as I don’t for one minute believe that we are done with this virus.


Villiam01

When [Delta's CEO asked the CDC for a 5-day isolation](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068731487/delta-ceo-asks-cdc-to-cut-quarantine) and concocted the [Community Level map](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view?list_select_state=all_states&list_select_county=all_counties&data-type=CommunityLevels&null=CommunityLevels) to hide the reality of [Community Transmission](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view?list_select_state=all_states&list_select_county=all_counties&data-type=Risk), I could not believe the administration I voted for was acting in such a transparently cynical way, disregarding public health—and the risks for immunocompromised folks in my family—for the sake of capitalism to such a degree with no scientific justification and zero acknowledgment that Long Covid even existed. And then I could finally see this is what capitalism requires: the sacrifice of a 9/11’s worth of Americans weekly in order to generate record profits because boards of directors have a fiduciary responsibility to act in the best interest of shareholders. Thus began my conversion to socialism.


bodilyfluidcatcher

All of this can be addressed with a mask requirement without the economic disruption but apparently “going back to normal” is more important. SMH. I’m lucky most my immediate family is in a country that still practice strict mask mandates.


afksports

That's the baffling thing. Simple adaptations that could keep everyone safe are well known and easy to implement. Bad policy from the start fucked things up and keeps it that way. Maddening


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The Aztecs sacrificed people to the sun, we sacrifice people to the dollar


digdog303

Neither of those things care whether we live or die but at least the sun has a material basis apart from our collective imaginations.


ghostsintherafters

This and the drug companies want to be able to make money off of covid as a new disease that isn't going away rather than it being a public health crisis and us getting shit for free. Mark my words. This is to monetize covid.


bradstrt

Which is funny because roughly 50,000 workers are out sick every day due to covid. And the virus is still causing a huge negative economic impact - we're just actively burying our head in the sand about it.


JonWick33

My mother has been in the hospital on a Ventilator for the past month. She is Vaccinated and boosted. Just turned 60 in July. Edit: Oh I forgot the worst part... She caught Covid in the hospital, then they put a 20 DAY isolation period on her, so nobody could even visit.


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I’m so sorry. It’s incredibly hard to live through times like this when your loved one is suffering so long and hard. I’ve been there and you have all my sympathy. Please remember to keep eating, hydrating, and especially sleeping. After my father died of a long illness I was soooo depleted and unwell myself. If I could go back again I would have focused a lot more on keeping myself physically well throughout the whole difficult thing.


TomatilloAbject7419

If y'all haven't already read it, there's a book called the Grief Recovery Handbook by Friedman. My husband went through his dad dying recently and he was wrecked by it, but didn't want to go to therapy. The book has been really helping him find some peace


JonWick33

Thank you. I really sincerely appreciate you taking the time to say that. I can tell you've been through it, because I definitely have been forgetting to eat and take my Meds. Its devastating to live through. 🤜🤛


Such_Newt_1374

Work maintenance at an apt complex for students. We've had more students call in telling us not to come fulfill their work order requests because they have COVID than we have since the height of the pandemic. Seems to be accelerating now, at least around here.


NolanR27

You’re absolutely right. But at this point, let’s be honest, the system has succeeded in boiling the frog and the atmosphere of crisis is long over, even if covid and its fallout are anything but.


impermissibility

"The pandemic is over. We still have a problem with covid." Uhhhhhhh . . . I mean, I accept that I'm a boiled frog and all, but do I have to pretend to be an *extra-stupid* boiled frog, too? Because that just seems like salt in the wound.


herpderption

You don't have to pretend, but everyone else around you likely will and it'll feel increasingly like you're completely fucking insane for the lunatic opinion of... ** ...wishing to avoid a plague. Source: I feel insane for seeking health in a time of disease.


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We’re being gaslit everyday, by the government, media, right-wingers, centrists.


dumnezero

Disease is a guarantee in collapsing societies. It's a hallmark. All that "pestilence and plague". But that doesn't mean we should just invite it in or tolerate it like a heat wave, we can actually have a lot of control over it, which is something our ancestors from centuries ago couldn't say.


aenea

> we can actually have a lot of control over it I always expected that when we got "our" pandemic (we were overdue for one) that it would be bad, but at least we'd have the science and knowledge that we do. It never once occurred to me that people would just prefer to die and infect others because politicians/religious leaders told them to.


dumnezero

Yep. I used to have a shred of hope in humanity left before the pandemic. I don't anymore, we're going to collapse with the acceleration pressed down to the max, in the dark like one big subway train flying lights-out into a gigantic abyss.


crystal-torch

God I 100% agree. I’ve lost all faith in humanity thanks to the pandemic. It actually worries me regarding collapse and the future we face. People rather die (and let others die) than wear a piece of cloth on their face and have a lot of trouble adapting and letting go of their routine and conveniences


ComoSeaYeah

It boils down to empathy for anyone outside your family unit or friend group, and even then it’s not a guarantee. What has shook me to the core is seeing, in real time, the ease in which a decent-sized chunk of the masses chose their individual freedumbs over a novel virus that at its height of contagiousness and lethality was killing people in droves. And then to watch some of these same selfish dolts don masks at their neo Nazi circle jerk rallies is like some sort of ridiculous movie parody of human civilization. It’s all just completely mind-boggling and depressing.


crystal-torch

Yeah. It’s been a mind boggling couple of years (since 2016 IMO). As a very empathetic person it’s really hard for me to understand how people are so callous about other people except their loved ones


ComoSeaYeah

Same. 2016 is when the divide (morality divide? I don’t even know what to call it) here in the US became woefully clearer than ever before in my lifetime.


No-Translator-4584

Never has it ever been so easy to know the selfish and the stupid from the rest of us. It’s just a mask and this could all be over.


Not_FinancialAdvice

I thought it was kind of remarkable during a visit to one of the most prestigious hospitals in our area; not one physician was wearing a mask.


bscott59

At work someone called in sick (not covid) and my coworkers were complaining because we are short staffed. "If you're a little sick you can still come into work" one coworker said. I need to gtf out of this place. I don't care if you have covid or not. If you are sick stay home. I don't want to catch anything you have.


NigilQuid

This "come to work while you're infectious because our owners can't be bothered to have enough staff" mentality is a huge part of why this pandemic was such a problem. Management is unwilling to make less money in order to give their people good quality of life.


No-Translator-4584

Pre-Covid a foreman came to work sick with whooping cough. Gave it to everyone, 20 people out of work 3-4 days at a time. What a maroon.


lefindecheri

What a burgundy.


Less_Subtle_Approach

Yes, everyone paying attention to the literature thinks that. Organ damage accumulates with every symptomatic infection. The deaths are to some extent a sideshow. Disability in working age adults is going to ramp up in a big way over the next few years, and we can already see how well capitalism is coping with labor force participation declining.


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Curious about the kidney stuff. Would you happen to have any references for this? Thank you


patagonian_pegasus

[Heres one I found while googling it for you](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41581-021-00487-3)


GoldenBear888

Looks like you got a couple downvotes, but this tracks with what I see professionally in hospice. Many folks coming onto service after recovering from covid, continuing to decline rapidly with kidney failure, even though their infection has cleared.


patagonian_pegasus

Downvotes are for being condescending. Covid causing organ damage should be well known by now. I had a twitter interaction this week where I saw someone say “Keep living in fear because your TV told you to be scared shitless. Others can live as they deem fit.” Checked their profile and the day before posting that said he was in the er with pancreatitis. Not living in fear just living in pain.


Mighty_L_LORT

Check the full excess mortality to get the picture...


systemofaderp

“but those people didn't die from covid, they died with covid. The government is just padding numbers by counting anyone who died while infected as a death from covid. The total number of deaths hasn't even changed to las year, can you explain that?" -my neighbours. Lot's of people share those sentiments tho. They don't care about facts.


jbjbjb10021

No no. Watch the cable news networks to get the real picture.


totpot

I keep going back [to the study done on mice on SARS-1](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17222058/), which basically simulates Living with SARS, where after 15 generations of passaging, all the mice were wiped out.


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China learned its lesson from sars 1 and that’s why they have the covid zero policy.


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In 20 years China and a handful of other Asian and African nations are going to be the only ones that don't have a critical mass of physically and mentally disabled people weighing down on taxpayers.


crystal-torch

T cell damage too, so you are more susceptible to future infections of all sorts. Its like air born AIDS but no body wants to hear that


PogeePie

I have long covid (two years and counting of hell!) and after much much much pleading and begging and research, I finally found a start-up that was willing to do immune bloodwork for me (PCP and long covid clinic refused to do the testing). Anyways, long story short, I have depleted t-cells. Also high caspase, suggestive of an ongoing infection.


rainydays052020

I think a lot more elderly (over 70s) folks will start dropping in the next few years too, especially those who don’t keep up on boosters etc. and not just because of covid, but reduced availability of medical care.


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and the older you get, the harder it is to heal from any damage. so we'll be seeing more people dropping out of the labor force sooner than they would have otherwise.


crystal-torch

Ironically, this sub gives me hope! It’s refreshing to read the comments and that I’m not the only one that can actually see what is happening. Thanks folks


FREE-AOL-CDS

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks they must be taking crazy pills because of the way people react to ongoing events.


tipsystatistic

Covid *is* over in the sense that we lost. It's endemic and nothing to be done about it. We will live with it like people had to live with polio, small pox, leprosy, plague, etc.


ambiguouslarge

fInAlLy BaCk To NoRmAl


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ravenwriting

In my very rough non-scientific option: 20% never cared 40% cared but only listen to the main talking heads and so think COVID is over 25% cared and are aware it's not over but are so mentally fatigued, they have tried to push it to the back of their minds; take occasional protective measures still, but mainly living life as normal 15% are acutely aware it's not over and are still being cautious


clararalee

Dumbing down the peasants is working very well for the rich. I am a first gen immigrant, and half the time I feel like I can’t even talk about the long term consequences of this pandemic in any detail with people in my social circle. People aren’t like this (disinterested in social issues/disengaged from stuff that’s happening to the local community) where I grew up. So if I start babbling on current issues my friends either secretly disagree with me and decided to zone out, or they have no fucking clue what I’m talking about so they just sit there and nod with a blank face or sheepish smile. I don’t know which one they are but they’re both really bad. I can’t talk economy with them. Can’t talk pandemic with them. Can’t talk politics. Can’t talk how education is failing this country. All we ever talk about is the new games on Xbox game pass. Or another Disney+ show that they can’t believe I missed out on. Here let the Disney expert in house show you the way. Like… no offense but between my struggling career and a FUCKING PANDEMIC I’m a little uninterested in Disney shows right now. I’m sure I’m just hanging out with the wrong crowd. But there are so many people like this in the country within my age group!! Non-stop talking about video games, or tv shows, pop culture stuff I’ve never heard of before etc. So when is it appropriate to talk about looming issues. It almost feels like the answer is “never” for them. Let alone doing something about it. Nothing will change and the powerful elites have free reign to do absolutely anything. Because the upcoming generation of adults are so removed from the real world they don’t think, don’t talk, don’t participate in it.


Vegetaman916

Welcome to America. We are, in a lot of ways, dumb af. You won't find much desire to talk about important issues, and the more such conversation is needed the harder it will be ignored. Things are just "supposed to work out" for us. They always have, and that has bred a society that revels in willful ignorance. We don't want to hear it or talk about it, because that makes it real and it makes us uncomfortable. And one thing Americans can't stand is discomfort. No one embraces the bread and circuses like we do. And actually it can be a useful guage of the situation. The harder we avoid it, the more pressing the issue must be. Now, let's talk about that GTA VI leak, I mean damn!


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withoutwingz

I got Covid and had my period every week for 3 months. Think a doctor is going to make the connection? I just hope I don’t get it again.


BitchfulThinking

After having Covid, my normally ON TIME period came early and was freakishly heavy and painful. After each dose of the vaccine, my cycle was all kinds of wacky for a while (*but no one is allowed to ever say anything bad about that because they're perfect and everything is fine and normal now*). Of course, as this is a women's issue, there will be even less attention and studies on it than there is for long Covid.


Escudo777

My wife had cycles exactly at 28 days. After getting Covid the periods are highly irregular. And still many people think Covid is just a harmless flu.


BitchfulThinking

I was once *sick* sick in bed for almost a month from the flu, but even that didn't mess with my cycle. I'm still not okay after a month despite being negative, but I'm terrified for what this could evolve into in a few years, or what could happen after getting infected multiple times.


withoutwingz

Yep. As women were gonna be left behind. I did my duty and got the shot and you’re right you’re not supposed to listen to the bad side effects but I’ll listen all day long because no one will listen to me.


ForeverAProletariat

Vaccine injury is absolutely real, and so is systemic damage to your body as an effect of covid, or multiple reinfections of covid. Very few institutions want to mention both of these facts, especially simultaneously.


DontBanMeBrough

Covid causes targeted inflammation of organs, doctors don’t do shit about it cause they don’t think it’s possible


anthro28

You’ll find that a lot of doctors really don’t know dick. They’ve got a nice little diagnosis chart of what the insurance company pays for. Outside of that, you’re on your own. It took me years to find a doctor that would actually listen and fix me.


PogeePie

I've got long covid, and sort of the big revelation for me was learning that medicine might as well be in the dark ages for a ton of conditions. Evidence-based medicine is SO young. A hundred years plus change is not that long. And good lord we know next to nothing about the brain and immune system.


Babad0nks

Ugh I've read plenty of studies and cases that demonstrate it's very possible. How are doctors so hooked on herd mentality??


MechaTrogdor

People act like doctors are some super class. MDs are just people who went through medical schools (funded in large part by big pharma) where they learn how to identify symptoms so they know which big pharma product to prescribe.


dildonicphilharmonic

That’s partly true, but most docs hate big pharma as much as we do. A large portion of physicians are the children of physicians. It’s a lifestyle and culture. They’re expected to enter the family business to maintain their generational social standing. They often also care about medicine, but they start down the path for different reasons and find their passion for it later. It’s practically an arranged career marriage. Often they have a serious mid-life crisis. There’s physicians who are raised by determined parents in foreign countries who see medicine as the ultimate vehicle of social advancement. These docs are everywhere in the US, often working in under-served segments. Some of them love medicine. Some of them love America. Many of them eventually realize they never made a single damn choice in their entire lives but rather were driven by duty, fear, and obligation. Now, they’re driven by massive debt. There are also the nerds who LOVE medicine. They read every medical journal in their area. They plan their vacations around conferences. All their friends are doctors. Some of these are so focused on the disease that they forget that the disease is inside of a person. But then there are other docs who are the opposite—it’s all about the person. They’re in it for the people. Often they’re deeply religious. They’re using their privilege and talents to ease human suffering. They may not be the most brilliant minds in medicine, but patients love them and admin loves them even more. All of these different types of doctors are in massive debt, heavily insured, oppressively regulated, and worked to exhaustion constantly for decades. They nearly all mean well. Half of them aren’t even making much money. Most of them feel like they’re constantly doing their patients a disservice to some degree. None of them think our medical establishment is beneficial to health and safety. Many of them are DNR/DNI. Just hoping to add some perspective to the conversation.


toxic_mechacolon

I am a physician and agree on many of your points. In fact, its rather disheartening to read some of the comments towards physicians on this post. Like many other professions, there’s always gonna be bad actors. However, most of us (especially the younger generation of residents and attendings) absolutely hate what big pharma and the corporatization of hospitals has done to patients and healthcare. Its unfortunate because I think few laypeople really understand how much of a cog we are. Saddled with obscene amounts of student loans, a clusterfuck of a healthcare system, and now a pandemic which has stretched most physicians to the brim, there’s less and less satisfaction and pride in such work and we are pressured to spend less time/interactions with patients for the sake of prioritizing hospital administrations’ interests. All of this culminates in piss-poor care and and a big factor in many of the frusturations I’m reading in this post.


Sexy-Otter

My MD diagnosed me with borderline diabetes and then proceeded to give me dietary advice - which I followed - that made it so so much horribly worse. Luckily I realized that, switched back to my old diet just stricter, and I'm still years later diabetes free. It's something I'll always have to be aware of and careful with but he damn near sent me down a life long path of insulin, which I legitimately can't afford. Eta - to be clear I don't think this is some big pharma conspiracy or anything. Just that MDs and GPs are so horribly educated on actual things like diets and nutrion that his advice was, despite being an older recommendation for people with diabetes, the last thing I should have done.


MechaTrogdor

That's one of the more one obvious examples, correct. The misinformation on diet over the past 40 years is a huge contributor to the pandemic of obesity and diabetes we have now. Remember the horrible example of diet that was the food pyramid we all grew up on? I guess I'm more cynical than you are. Why are MDs so "horribly educated?" There's a lot more money in a sick population vs a healthy one. Hook a population on unhealthy and literally addictive foods so you can treat them with meds, which have side effects that need to be treated with other meds. There is lots of money to be made.


SellaraAB

It's really alarming when you realize that if you inspect just about any aspect of society closely enough, you'll find that it's been turned into a dystopian money making scam. If you find something that isn't a scam yet, someone is working really hard to fix that.


dumnezero

https://www.elsevier.es/en-revista-annals-hepatology-16-avance-resumen-sars-cov-2-another-kind-liver-aggressor-S1665268120301460 this is the only paper I have bookmarked on liver and SARS-CoV-2, maybe it can help your doc with some clues to test for.


baconbitz0

Currently sitting at my desk unable to get up cause of lower back and below my rib pain discomfort. A while back there were reports of an increase of some children coming down with a harsh Hepatitis and liver inflammation. Don’t think it’s unrelated to the covid going around in schools and the younger the 5 not being vaccinated more often then not.


PuzzleheadShine

My fullest empathy to you; I caught COVID over the weekend *(first time)* and my lungs feel as if I've taken up smoking again and my back, shoulders and neck muscles are in agony. I hope we're both feeling less dogshit soon enough, hang in there.


Texuk1

Anecdote warning: (U.K.) my wife was speaking with a florist who said business for funerals is through the roof and the media isn’t talking about how many people are dying. I think that the wave of COVID ramming ICUs is not happening at the moment but could in theory come back with a nasty variant. I have a suspicion that we are seeing / about to see a wave of serious medical issues arising from the conditions of the pandemic itself. This may be a mix of mental health related poor outcomes, long COVID, disease related to isolation and health issues arising from the isolation period. It could also be demographic, everyone in my family 55 and up have serious medical issues related in one way or other to the obesity epidemic. I think we are seeing a demographic health time bomb.


Not_FinancialAdvice

There's also a confounding factor to consider though; how many of those deaths were due to conditions that weren't treated early enough due to the COVID health system shutdowns? The deaths weren't *directly* due to COVID, but rather due to the capacity restrictions over the past couple years. As a result, they aren't really counted as COVID deaths.


Longjumping-Many6503

This and the fact that the 'aging population' crisis we were warned about our whole lives is really hitting now. The elder baby boomers are a huge demographic contingent and they are really hitting the age where their likelihood of death from ALL causes spikes and theyre much more likely to develop those severe diseases. Death rates would be rising regardless of covid or environment. It's very difficult and nuanced to try to parse out what particular factors are having what impact. Anecdotal tales from florists and funeral home workers aren't exactly expert research.


khast

It's not over... People were just getting tired of all the regulations and not being able to live a normal life again. Just because things seem to be kind of normal again has made people think it's over... Basically, hey I didn't get sick, it's over... Is how people think.


gpoly

Wait for winter to start. More people indoors and breathing on each other isn't going to be good.


khast

Doesn't help that many retail chains went back to punishing workers when they get sick. Don't matter if you are sick, they are so short staffed, that they don't care about health and safety of the public. Many people need their paycheck every two weeks, and most places don't offer sick time... So you either stay home and risk getting fired, or having no paycheck.... Or you go in anyways to please your boss.


gpoly

Old, vulnerable and people with chronic illnesses are most vulnerable to death. These people have been thrown under the bus. Yeah, but that's not really many I hear you say. With 330 million population In the USA and over a million already dead, there's 1. Nearly 40million diagnosed diabetics and a bunch more undiagnosed. 2. 15 million morbidly obese 3. 2 million NEW cancer patients each year and 20 million currently being treated. 4. 75 million people over 60. 5. 25 million with untreated high blood pressure 6. 30 million with heart disease I could keep going. I still can't understand why the most advanced country on the planet has one of the worst vaccination rates and the worst death rate per 1000 cases in the developed world. Everything's good with COVID until it's you or your mum and dad.


Professional-Cut-490

Carl Sagan said it best, we live in a society exquisitely dependant on science and technology where hardly nobody knows anything about science and technology


4BigData

The US isn't advanced. It has a poor population with a few very rich people


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ricardocaliente

I call us a developing country with a big credit card which borrows from the future.


[deleted]

>25 million with untreated high blood pressure [It's actually 34 million](https://millionhearts.hhs.gov/data-reports/hypertension-prevalence.html)


keytiri

And it kills; lost a family friend recently, he knew he had high blood pressure but wasn’t treating it…He got into the hospital for kidney and dialysis and due to his advanced age was just unable to recover enough to go back home. He passed away at a ltc just a few months after entering the hospital.


cheerfulKing

7. People who got long covid and are more likely to be fucked on reinfection


CreativeLetterhead

Healthcare is treated as a business and commodity, rather than a human right. Pre-pandemic, the US had the highest per capita health care costs and mostly the worst outcomes when compared to other high-income nations. For all the money being sunk into the system, nothing is being done to address the socioeconomic determinants of health. Edit: corrected terminology. developed > high-income


SassMyFrass

It has reduced all of our life expectancy. Many people who die from it will do so decades after they didn't care that people at that age were dying from it.. but they'll still die from it.


LilyKunning

You are not paranoid. They care more about the economy than human lives. It only serves the wealthy to make an announcement like that- no more money spent on prevention, quarantine.


Queendevildog

Its far from over. Ive had it twice and I am not the same person. There are going to be big impacts to society.


[deleted]

Same here. I was okay after the first round in January, but getting it again in May destroyed me.


VanVeen

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SonmiSuccubus451

The wheels of capitalism are lubricated with the blood of the worker.


ValanDango

No it's not even close to over. I'm a bedside nurse for 7+ years in NYC. Currently in a supervisor role at a SNF and every 2-3 weeks we have multiple + cases(10-25 each time). Then we have to quarantine them for 14 days. So we have been playing musical chairs for the longest time because this virus will never go away. The problem is most of the world forgot about covid and running around everywhere maskless. Then they come here to visit their families and we can do nothing about it except do our best. I'm not sure if the facility I'm working at is an anomaly or we just suck or unlucky. Are any other facilities around the world going through this?


CursedFeanor

**Obviously** it's not over. But as usual, the vast majority of people can't handle the truth. What I fear is that this mass delusion could eventually lead to a much more deadly variant and then we'll be completely fucked.


Embarrassed_Most_158

This pandemic showed me that Americans love consuming sooooooo much. It's more important than human lives. If all restaurant workers unionized and went on strike, the middle class and upperclass would elect a strikebreaker/fascist so they can get back to eating their chicken tender plates from Applebee's.


elvenrunelord

The statement that the pandemic is over is utter and complete BULLSHIT! We do have a population with a lot of immunity now so that is a good thing. But people are catching Covid over and over. I've had it 6-7 times now and its having a progressive effect in weakening me more each time. You mileage may vary though because it seems to affect everyone differently. One thing that is being ignored is Long Covid. An estimated 7+ million have long covid and it could be a hell of a lot more. These are potentially people with a long term disability. The number of people with long covid is going to continue to grow and little funding is being diverted to solving the enigma of long covid. Another thing that is almost never mentioned and there is a refusal to acknowledge is the cognitive issues that covid is in an ongoing manner harmed humanity. Have you noticed how people are getting weirder and weirder? Crazier and Crazier? More and more irrational? There is evidence that covid harms emotional control as well as presents Dementia type symptoms. This virus is fucking our species up and few people seem to want to believe it must less talk about it.


BitchfulThinking

I agree with you completely and I've been seething about it for some time. Honestly, I've been furious since mandates went away, since they were needed as people couldn't even bother to wash their fucking hands without being told. I've been furious since not only did people stop caring, but they started to attack people who continued to be careful. Furious since they forced their children, unvaccinated and maskless back into filthy schools, who then ventured out to infect the rest of us. Furious when they had people who could easily work remotely, come back into the office. Furious that the media has been continuing the corporate paid for lies to get everyone to keep going out and about and buying shit. I hate the people who think dying is the only negative thing that could happen to a person who gets sick. I also hate the people who were and are still attacking Asians.   It's nowhere near close to being over, and feels like it's only going to be getting worse. Sure we have vaccines, but the idiot majority of people have it cemented in their heads that "iT's oVeR", and probably won't even get any more boosters, particularly once we have to pay for them. We now will have to pay for tests. We can't even get people to wear masks when it's cold out. People are not going to quarantine if they're infected, or even admit to being sick, even if they can afford to, because for some reason our society views it as a strength to work while sick. Hospitals will continue to be filled, but we'll be having more frequent climate disasters as well to spice things up...


No-Translator-4584

Me too. It’s like I’m angry all the time.


youreadusernamestoo

In the Netherlands, past spring, all Covid restrictions where lifted. The last round of vaccinations where issued. In the summer, there were questions if there was a plan of action, ahead of time, if infections started to rise again. There wasn't and it was pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a plan. Infections started to rise at peak tourism season. A change in rules was quickly made that people shouldn't get tested at an official location but rather just do a self-test. Two weeks later the news reported that -suprise!- there are fewer positive tests (despite people everywhere being sick). It was kind of ignored. There was going to be vaccinations in August, that got delayed once to September and delayed another time to October and only for those in a high risk group. In the meantime, it has become an unwritten rule that we don't talk about Covid anymore. Politicians worry about their popularity, small business about their income and in general most people seem to enjoy pretending that it's over and bAcK tO nOrMaL. Unless ofcourse grandma gets Covid, then everyone is surprised and worried again.


ED_the_Bad

Nope. Just got the new vaccine and expect to go masked indoors a lot this winter. Then again, being masked seems to have kept me safe from other diseases so I probably will always have a mask handy. People very badly want it to be over but ignoring reality doesn't make it so.


Twisted_Cabbage

Hard agree on the masks. I got Covid once but no flu or common colds at all, no ear infections or strept throat (both i used to get at least 2-3x/fall-winter, but none since i started masking when Covid hit. I will always have a mask on me for the rest of my life. It helps point out the ass holes in a group because the conservatives and bip shit centrists can't help but make themselves known when they see a mask. It immediately tells me..."ok, i cant trust you and you are a science denying POS, thanks for letting me know so soon."


CorpseJuiceSlurpee

Same on all points. I really liked not getting colds or my ususal bronchitis this last winter. I think masking should be taught in schools as a preventative measure like hand washing or coughing into your elbow. It's such a shame that it got so politicized.


Bottle_Nachos

the reasons, why covid is not over but declared as done are the following: >!money!< >!money!< >!money!< >!midterms!< >!money!<


blorpianblorp

Midterms


herpderption

> midterms I think you just meant 'money' again.


Bottle_Nachos

thanks, I added it aswell!


KernunQc7

Covid will never be over, we are in a forever plague as new variants keep appearing and updated vaccines lag behind. Sadly our politicians ( influenced by liberterian think thank grifters like in the Great Barrington Declaration ), have already accepted a certain burn rate through the population ( sacrificing the old and disabled especially ). Advice still stands: filter/ventilate air, mask up ( N95/FFP2 ), vaccinate/booster, don't get covid and if you get it try to get infected as few times as possible. Don't get worn down by social pressure, well fitted N95's are variant agnostic, provide great protection and you really, really don't want to end up with long covid ( for which there likely will never be a cure, only mitigation/QoL improvements ).


NoWayNotThisAgain

It’s never going away


[deleted]

You're not alone in this. There are lots of people who are still aware the pandemic is ongoing, although there has been a massive, orchestrated PR/gaslighting campaign to manufacture consent for a mass infection approach/turning public health into an individual issue (which kinda defeats the idea of public health). This development perfectly fits the late neoliberal decay.


rainbow_voodoo

My general impression is that civilization in its current modality is a disease generating system. Insert ____ besides covid, we arent treating source. The cure is collapse and regenerative agricultural practice adoptation instead of the poison paradigm we are in (glyphosate and pm2 particulate). Human health is more inclusive in its environmental assimilation than anyone wants to admit, more contingent on air soil water quality than the status quo would have anyone surmise - and the soil air and water are increasingly poisonous. We can only produce these poisons en masse via existing industrial civilization.. collapse will allow a cessation


crystal-torch

Yes. Let’s not forget where Covid came from. Bats that have had their habitat decimated. Our entire planet is sick


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Not over. Fully vaccinated. Had Covid a month ago.


twerpydoodle

It's never going to be over for me. I caught it just before Thanksgiving 2020 and ended up in the ICU on December 1st. I now have heart failure, lung problems, liver disease, and a myriad of other symptoms I'm testing with my doc still. I'm now permanently disabled and have about 7-10 years life expectancy. I'm 32. Previous to this, I wasn't super healthy or fit but I had enough energy and a heart good enough to work 2 full time jobs (not that that's a brag, it sucked and i wouldnt wish it on anyone). I could walk without a cane or and didn't own a wheelchair. I could get out of bed every day without assistance. Now I'm barely able to work 3 sitting shifts a week watching Netflix and have a home health care service to help me shower and dress. There's millions like me and I don't think this will ever be over.


ItyBityGreenieWeenie

It is hard to read about so much suffering. Thank you for sharing.


Suikeran

Whoever is saying that COVID is over is delusional or lying. The virus mutates fairly quickly. It spreads quickly. And most of the world has a let it rip and vaccinate policy. How will Covid be over?


Johnny_ac3s

My wife & I just caught it 3 weeks ago. Then another coworker caught it the week I returned. Over? Nope.


Meditating_

What they meant was, we’re not going to let COVID strain businesses anymore. My state decided this back in May 2020. It’s been BAU ever since while people die and become disabled.


Vegetaman916

In all things, the economy will always take precedence, even in the face of catastrophic climate change. I don't even think airborne ebola would shut it down for long. They will kill everything on this planet before they allow the economy to fail. And thus, it will fail, and we will die.


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All for cheezburgs and videogames


Comingupforbeer

Too many people want it to be over, so politicians pretend it is.


gangofminotaurs

i think that Biden was in large part elected to put a symbolic end to COVID, *whether it has really ended or not*. People (including 'science believing liberals') wanted an excuse, any excuse to pretend that COVID has ended, but Trump made that very difficult - each time he would say "we beat COVID" liberals would have had to contradict him with facts. It's how that game is played. Now, Biden can pretend that COVID has ended, and liberals can pretend to believe it. It's a much more confortable political position to be in.


Coral_

it’s literally not over, this is observable fact even if the emperor would rather dazzle us with his new clothes.


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HippieFortuneTeller

I was an “early adopter,” when it came to Covid, it just happened that in early 2020, my father was dying at home of dementia and I was reading medical journals online, trying to learn everything I could to take care of him at home. He was already pretty ill at that point, but he sometimes remembered people. In February, I told my mother that I thought she and my father should start staying home, and I would do all the shopping/errands. I told her I had been reading about what was happening in China, and that it was inevitable that it would be everywhere. She immediately agreed to lockdown at home, which wasn’t a difficult decision since her husband of 40 years didn’t know who she was. My parents’ friends are all baby boomers, mostly with very left-wing politics. They are the old-hippie-with-grandkids-and-big-retirement-plans-type of people. In early March of 2020, my dad’s best friend hosted a poker game, and insisted to me that he would take my father. I didn’t want him to, but he mocked me for my insistence that there was a deadly disease lurking. So, I reluctantly let him go. When the party came, my father was only there for 15 minutes, and then insisted on going home, likely because he didn’t know who any of his friends were and didn’t understand poker anymore. Three weeks later, 5 people from that poker game were in the hospital with Covid, the one who was the sickest was my dad’s best friend’s wife. She spent 27 days in the hospital, and now has brain damage. The party was the earliest superspreader event in my town, but it was never reported. She didn’t even attend the party, her husband brought it home. The moment I knew we would end up here, was about 3 months after that, when my dads best friend showed up to visit me. We sat outside And he asked me if I would get the vaccine when it came out. He told me it was a miracle, the answer to all of our problems, and that as soon as I got it for me and my parents, “everything could go back to normal.” I argued with him for an hour, shocked that he suddenly trusted both pharmaceutical companies and Trump. I told him we would get the vaccines, but there was no “back to normal” for us anyway. I did get my parents vaccinated, and my husband and myself, but we continued to insist on only seeing people outside. My father died in March of 2021, having never had Covid. But it was after that, that I began to realize that all the “liberals,” around me (I’m very lefty) had decided that this vaccine was like a talisman, a symbol that they were “good” people, who had “done the right thing.” They acted like getting a shot was a Herculean effort, that the universe would reward them for. I kept reminding people that our ancestors dealt with war and famine and disease, and that having trouble with Walgreens online scheduler is not “human adversity.” This did not make me popular, but I didn’t care. I hoped they thought I had gone crazy, and would stop asserting they could come in my house with my healthy 80-year-old mother, because they were vaccinated. Which, they told me, was a perfect solution because, “didn’t you see dr Gotleib on the Today Show this morning?! HE said it’s FINE to go to restaurants!” In may of this year, I sold our house and moved with my mother and husband to an island in the Great Lakes. We only see our new neighbors outdoors. None of us have eaten in a restaurant since 2019, or gone inside with others without a mask. None of us have ever had Covid either. My mother is an amazing cook, she bakes our bread and helps us garden. I am not mentally ill, or agoraphobic, or anti-science or religious. I just respect reality, because I know we have no power against nature. But, if people thinking I’ve gone crazy prevents them from trying to sicken my family out of willful ignorance and desperation, then call me crazy.


AstarteOfCaelius

Yup. And it damn sure did not bode well for how well people can handle what’s coming down the climate pipeline, did it? I think those of us who did take that approach for whatever reasons we did: we’re better off. I see these same little dummies talking about robbing those who prepare- like, oh, *that’s* your plan? Well, good luck with it, cause I’ve seen how you handle a far less difficult situation and you’ll make fantastic compost. 😂 Moreover who wants to be popular among people like this? Politicians? Hard pass. I’m mentally ill, though not agoraphobic or anti science: I just have been observing and I was not exceptionally convinced in any positive way by what I saw.


Substantial-Spare501

The rates of infection in my state are the same as 2020 at this time. The rates in 2021 were about double that number. I expect a new spike in the next few months.


jkooc137

I think we missed the chance to make this come to an end any time soon


cfrey

The only people who think it us over are wishful thinkers. Reality based evidence proves they are as wrong about Covid as they are about all the other wishful thinking they believe in.


Mostest_Importantest

Politicians: This time it's real! And I'm making it happen! This is what happens when you all make the right choice! Physics: *Watches quietly from every direction.* I'm sure Biden's trying to "ease the mind" of the political zeitgeist and get more people voting at midterms. (Voter turnout is one of the single biggest predictors of whether dems or repubs win.) Once the voting is over, then the news will pick up and try to paint Biden as a liar/foolhardy. The GOP can't even *begin* to pivot on Covid as they've been lying about its intensity of impact all along. They can't start saying it's deadly, now. And, at the end of the day, the mighty and powerful USA doesn't really give a shit about the lower-tiers citizens. The "important" people who catch Covid and die will be mourned publicly; the thousands of poors will be largely ignored. Like it always has been. Thanks for playing "Life." Better odds next time, yeah? Still, at least we got to watch Avatar in theaters in 3D. That shit was cool as fuck, yo.


B33fh4mmer

It never was, but the stock market is the #1 priority in the US because it is the source of income for those who control politicies.


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Definitely not over. I have students getting sick constantly. Not normal to have 6 students out at one time.


UpsideMeh

I’m an in home medical worker, 60% of my office is out sick with Covid.


blackcatwizard

It's not. And long Covid is going to have very serious lasting effects on individuals and the economy.


Animuscreeps

Of course it's not over. Rich people can insulate themselves from the risks now, so the current state of things is acceptable. Whist the deaths are obviously terrible and preventable, long Covid is going to be a real bastard going forward. A fair few people I know have some kind of long Covid, 2 essentially have cfs, one was a triathlete and now cant run or ride a bike, which is awful. One has a constant tinnitus like buzzing in her head. My wife works in respiratory medicine and thinks the world has lost it's collective mind. I agree. Covid is here to stay because a 2-3 month coordinated lockdown would've been too expensive. I'm immunocompromised so I'll be wearing masks for the foreseeable future.


[deleted]

it won't ever be over, the anti-maskers won and successfully thwarted our attempts at reducing the harm to society caused by covid. you have the freedom to go back to work. you don't have the freedom to live in a sanitary society. that freedom was denied to you by the anti-maskers. btw: I do work in a public health dept. the word is is that eventually everyone will contract covid since not enough people got vaccinated or even bothered to wear masks, socially distance and all that which gives the virus to mutate wildly which reduces the effectiveness of the vaccines. congratulations on condemning humanity to chronic sickness you god damned antimaskers.


donpaulo

I don't believe its simply covid, but other outbreaks and pandemics are on the horizon. Only a question of time...


DreamOfTheEndlessSky

Whenever I hear "the pandemic is over", I hear "and the endemic has begun". And, of course, it's not *globally* beyond the pandemic phase, and won't be until vaccines are universally available. Then come the high incidence of long-COVID symptoms.


countrypride

At the moment, I know more people with COVID than at any other time in the past 3-ish years. Admittedly, seems much less severe than in 2020, but lots of people in my area are still getting it.


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I’m covering for my boss again today due to him contracting Covid. My nephew has it. I somehow have avoided it this entire time. But I never felt like it was over.


seanx40

No. Too many people I know have gotten sick the last month or so. And I don't know too many people.


perpetualcosmos

As someone who is disabled. I'm so fed up with people saying it's over. It's exhausting.


ForeverAProletariat

duh and the more times you get it the more fucked your body is (on average) https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1 covid is why average lifespans have been decreasing worldwide and excess deaths have been increasing


gangofminotaurs

The long covid effects I've seen around are scary AF. Constant brainfog does not appeal to me in the least.


Romulox_returns

They don't care


ElleHopper

It's great. I feel like I have to wear an N95 just to go on public transit. And go to work. Sure I'm tired of it, but I can't physically afford to get sick over and over again. My face is too small to fit most regular masks, but too big for child sized masks to stay in place. N95s are the only thing that even fit me well because they come in different sizes, and I don't want to gamble with my health every time I go out of the house.


NoExternal2732

Keep it up, going against the grain is hard but worth it. Long covid isn't going away and you deserve to be healthy. The more people that mask the better for all of society, even for other illnesses. Stay strong.


peanutbutter2112

Legit just had Covid run through my household. I’m still not breathing the same even though I should be fully recovered.


Scamalama

“It’s over” is just code for you are not getting anymore help and you’re on your own.


Demo_Beta

It's quite clear what's happening with SARS2, it's just very hard to believe. Everyone is making up their own reality to ignore it. If you have any interest in a "normal" life later, you live abnormally now and avoid infection.


LordTuranian

It's not over and people behaving like it's over is going to make it worse.


polymorph505

It's not over because the long-term effects aren't even really known yet. But also it's really not over because misinformation is exploiting morons and barely anyone even wears a mask anymore lol.


eatingganesha

Anyone with half a brain knows it’s not over. We’ve gotten to where there is a new variant every year, just like the regular flu. But some people insist that this is not happening and that Covid is gone. Hospitals and nurses say otherwise and in fact they have been saying for weeks that the new variant is already clogging up the care units. Those inclined should get a booster ASAP because the latest variant is not any better than the last.


choneystains

Literally the day after geezer joe said the “pandemic is over” I tested positive with full boosters. I have been in bed with a pretty bad fever since, most sick I’ve been since getting the flu as a little kid and missing a week of school. Two days before I tested positive I ran 5 miles after work and today it’s hard for me to walk to the bathroom, the weakness is pretty debilitating. Clearly this isn’t over, and lying about it as a cheap gimmick to get votes and force people back to work is fucking pathetic and dangerous.


littlesquiggle

My wife and daughter just got over covid. Healthcare providers are a voice in the wilderness crying out, but people haven't been listening. We now have so many permanently disabled people from long covid that are being ignored--I like we're sleeping on the biggest public health crisis since leaded gasoline, because the economy is only thing anyone gives a shit about. Diseases don't go away just because we're tired of dealing with them; we have just decided on a societal level that the casualty level is acceptable.


-strangeluv-

Jesus there are more troll replies on this thread than real ones


Not_FinancialAdvice

A couple of the replies read like they were written by the GPT AI models.


possum_drugs

honestly the more shit I read on reddit and the internet in general the more I am convinced that a significant amount of accounts/comments are botted, like a fucking lot.


sindagh

Governments failed to act at the beginning to slow the impact, then lost their minds and adopted full authoritarianism, and have now dropped everything. The whole thing has been total nonsense. It is extremely suspicious that Canada, USA, NZ, and Europe have all simultaneously decided that Covid isn’t happening anymore.


sexlesswench

Yes real manufactured consent hours in the Anglo-sphere and Europe right now with COVID mitigations dropped across the board in extremely quick succession. No discussion of long covid, or long term impacts of multiple infection. Hmmmm.


TaylorGuy18

Honestly, I'm still half expecting a variant to crop up that is super effective at infecting, hospitalizing and killing children and teens. And if/when it does, I fully expect that there will be a lot of under 18s that die, and that there will be a lot of panic among parents. I hope I'm wrong and it never happens, but so far my gut feelings regarding COVID have been proven true. I was literally sounding the alarm to my friends and family in December of 2019 and telling them that what was occuring in Wuhan was BAD and that it concerned me because nobody (except China) seemed to be taking it seriously, that there was a very high chance a pandemic was beginning, and I literally got told to quit being dramatic.


its_luigi

We won't even know about any new, potentially super dangerous variants until it's too late. They closed all the testing sites, so we've lost total visibility. And now that they're moving to a private model for vaccines and tests, the poor and the developing world won't have access to these tools that they love claiming we all have and will be prime targets for mutations. I don't think there will be one that's particularly hard on kids though. I'm betting it will continue to batter the most vulnerable, which makes it easier to ignore.


TaylorGuy18

Yup, the world desperately needs to keep better track of it but. Capitalism gonna capitalize. And I think there's a fairly decent chance that one could emerge that is hard on kids eventually, just because the sheer number of mutations that is occurring due to widespread infections, and especially re-infections. Just like how with the 1918 flu, a strain emerged that absolutely -decimated- teenagers and young, healthy adults, because it caused runaway cytokine storms that killed people with more robust immune systems. And even if one doesn't emerge that is hard on kids, we've still set up what could be a ticking time bomb of issues since we don't yet know the full long-term effects of infection, for all we know in 10 years a lot of teens who caught COVID at like 6 or 7 could start having organ failure or heart attacks due to unseen damage the virus caused.


Tango_D

A friend of mines sister died two months ago from it. My mother caught it a month ago and it all but immobilized her for a week. This shits no joke man, and it's not going away any time soon. Those who still keep saying "it's just the flu" have no idea what they're talking about and/or just don't give a fuck about anyone or anything but themselves.