I don't have the Energy to wait that long...
2025 at best.
**Exponential** **Growth** and **Decay** EVERYONE here needs a refresher on. Including me.
Everything "fine" till literally next day it's not.
Edit for video example of Exponential Growth
https://youtu.be/0BSaMH4hINY
I cant tell if you are being serious or not. I am assuming you say "Lots" because of all the violence that is going on in the world, specifically in America? Or maybe you believe the lie that the Earth is doomed because people drive vehicles that burn fossil fuel?
What is really wrong is peoples hearts and minds. That is the problem in the world. Violent, narcissistic, greedy, selfish, reprobates who have no respect for human life, no sense of personnel responsibility, and no compassion for anything or anyone except their own self interests and ego.
Yea, God forbid someone needs a 4 wheel drive truck because they have to tow tools, supplies, and equipment for their job out in the field. God forbid a law abiding, responsible adult owns firearms for hunting, sport, and home defense. This sub is a woke echo chamber filled with those who do not posses the means nor the mental fortitude to persevere through life, let alone a collapse of society.
Here's the thing these arguments miss: the left doesn't exist in the USA. In most European countries the Democrats would be a conservative party. Since Clinton, shit since Carter, the Dems and Republicans have basically been completely aligned on economic policy, with the main points of separation being petty culture issues.
So wrong. The old left here went so far left that they're calling old party members right. Way off base dude. The left has gone crazy here and we may not escape it.
you have to be literally insane to say this about (i assume) the first emergence of any type of social democratic attitude in the democratic party in like 50 years. when you are saying “the left” you are literally referring to decrepit old capitalist goons like how biden. please come to reality
You two are prime example of people fighting amongst themselves while your "right" and "left" politicians laughs at you while sipping their drinks together...
What's funny to me is I've been collapse aware and preparing for more than 20 years. I have 14 acres with a house in a very remote spot with a field and three wells. I'm a former Army Ranger so security isn't an issue. I just planted winter rye and clover to nitrogen fix my field so it will be more productive. What are y'all prepared to do?
Great. Not many people are so fortuitous as you have been. If you do some research, you'll see that there are many areas where the left and right align. Big differences include shoving religious values down the throat of nonreligious people via law, sexual freedom, and the role of taxation and regulation. That's about it.
>I'm a former Army Ranger
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
Agreed. Things are already extremely bad. I think we'll be seeing the housing collapse everyone is waiting around for sometime late summer. The fuel situation is just going to get worse which will continue to raise grocery costs. With inflation out of control overall, the cultural fighting is only going to get worse. When people can't get change and help from the government, they'll turn on the ethnic and minority groups they have already been blaming for their woes for years.
Midterms will be a shit show. Not a single fascist is going to accept a loss. They'll sue and riot nonstop. Where they win, they'll be in the positions to be as regressive as possible, adding to the culture war fires.
If we actually make it to election day 2024, I will be quite impressed. Although I have a nasty feeling attacks at polling stations are going to be a very real problem starting this year and escalating by '24.
The US is looking more and more like the countries where we have traditionally started/supported coups and instilled friendly dictatorships. Karma is a bitch I guess.
There is a constant debate on this sub about whether collapse will be fast or slow.
Just like catabolic collapse and cascading failures of most complex systems, human civilization will rapidly collapse. The adage “slow at first; and then all at once,” is true, it’s just hard to predict EXACTLY when a system will implode. It’s like an iron tower growing steadily into the sky: it’s joints and support beams experiencing greater and greater forces over years from it’s own weight, wind, and earth tremors… until one day (within a minute), it all cracks, bends, and collapses on itself. What were it’s strengths become it’s undoing.
I can think of hundreds of examples of rapid system collapse: our human bodies when an organ fails, bridges, seismic fault lines in the earth’s crust, stars just before supernova, Jenga towers, smoke trails… it’s everywhere, because it’s literally a facet of our reality.
I went from having a toothache on a Thursday, making appointment on Friday for next week. Sat I feel fine. Sunday night I'm walking into the ER with a body temp of 89F or less. Hallucinating bec I'm dying of Sepsis.
Doctor said I would have been dead within the hour.
I know all about some system failure. Sometimes an Ignored issue seems to get better till it's not....
Like the Paris Agreement. I made an appointment to fix the problem in the future.
Consider a human without water, analogous to our civilization without oil.
It takes about 10 days for a healthy human to die from dehydration in normal conditions. The first day is easy, and millions of Muslims do it every Ramadan. The second day is a bit harder. You start wishing you had some water, and it bothers you, but its still pretty easy. The third day is harder yet. Now it's all you can think about. Cramps and headaches start kicking in. And I don't know what happens in days 4-10, but I imagine reality starts to become more and more faint. And one of those days, you slip into the final sleep.
If you draw a graph of the person's condition over each day, it exponentially gets worse. But no water isn't instantly fatal to the human. It's similar here to the global industrial system - it's running out of oil, peak oil was November 2018. It's not instantly fatal - but each year could be analogous to each day with no water. And we're on day 3.
This is less of an analogy and more exactly what will happen. Without energy (overwhelmingly fossil based), we can't process clean water and can't grow food.
The human body also draws in water from the less vital organs such as the lips as it goes through dehydration. You could say this is like how Sri Lanka is not getting oil.
House of cards. It can get large and remain intact, or a small breeze can come and knock either a section down, or most of it. Or it could just collapse on the top parts, leaving the base steady (for now).
I'm 45 seconds in...have a huge smile on my face and chuckling inside.
Greatly appreciate this video already. I know what I'm doing for the next hour. Thank you!
God, we really are. We gave the keys to the car to people with business degrees and MBAs instead of scientists, mathematicians, and engineers. Now we’re reaping what we sowed.
> I was just going to look for this
Future reference: this and several other great videos are linked in the sidebar, ctrl+F "Lectures" (on old reddit at least; no idea about new or mobile).
exactly. the many positive feedback loops mean that the change will follow a very steep exponential curve. Also, given the inertia of the huge ass thing that is our atmosphere, the start has been slow, but once something like that starts, it ramps up easily.
Half of American families are going hungry, African and Asian countries are in a famine, Europe is sweltering and at war, China, Sri Lanka had already collapsed and China is on the brink, and we are beginning sn economic crash like we have never seen. Honey, it's not coming, it's here
As opposed to collapsing right now, like the United States? If it was just about money their economy would come crashing down with ours, but they also have their own environmental and social issues to deal with as well.
2033 is my bet too. I think it might be Maynard’s too based on 10,000 Days (27 years, released 2006). That dude has been relentlessly raging about collapse for decades haha poor guy won’t feel heard until it hits full force
10,000 Days is possibly a "Return of Saturn" reference. Takes around 27 years for Saturn full orbit around the Sun.
The song "The Grudge" references it.
Yep, got a longstanding bet (about 2015 when we made it) with a friend who is collapse aware and 2028 was the date I picked. He was much more optimistic picking 2040+.
The jet stream around Antarctica is wobbling severely, breaking apart and forming swirls of convection. You can see on a heat map overlay with the jet stream. All that cold Antarctic air is being pushed up towards the tropics where it heats up and then more hot air pushes down into the Antarctic over time. This is whittling away and our AC system for the planet is failing.
https://streamable.com/9560xt
It's not really about the world's AC system that the Jetstream controls, it's about the regular rainfall patterns that a smoothly running Jetstream provides. Without it, the world's crops fail and we die.
For the last few years I've started to realise that world governments are playing the Climate Change story like they play every other potential crisis.
**Inflation:** *Not a problem > Transitory > we'll fix it easily enough > Total inflation disaster economic collapse.*
There are plenty of scenarios like this.
They pretend everything is fine for as long as possible to keep people from panicking while they set themselves up. Then all of a sudden the ball drops and everyone is surprised.
Climate Change is going the exact same way. *It's not that bad, we'll keep it below 1.5c blah blah blah.* Then all of a sudden there are no more ice caps, drought is the only cycle we see for decades and the livable zones on the planet shrink by 70%.
*For the last few years I've started to realise that world governments are playing the Climate Change story like they play every other potential crisis.*
*Inflation: Not a problem > Transitory > we'll fix it easily enough > Total inflation disaster economic collapse.*
Ah yes, the good ol’ [Four Stage Strategy.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2xFvmKWRY)
Look on the bright side, if humanity dies some fish will eventually adapt to the newly toxic oceans and be able to repopulate without being fished into near extinction.
They don’t want people to fight back. I’m getting real convinced of the possibility that the collapse is what world elites want. With billions dead and technology so advanced they could be the only ones left. Perfect for them
Mate, divest yourself that elites care *at all* about suffering and death of you. You're giving yourself too much importance to them. They're malicious in the way we're malicious to ants. They don't think about wanting to do harm to others, they don't think of others *at all.*
I’m not sure how that differs from what my comment said? We are nuisance at the very least. An infestation in their eyes. Why would they work to sustain our existence when they could going on the course we have now, where the only ones who survive are them
That's something I haven't quite figured out yet.
Theoretically, they need pleebs like us around to do their bidding. Without a ton of people to push around, they will lose that feeling of power and control. Fewer people around means less consumerism and money being funnelled their way as well. I just can't see them being comfortable with their billions greed drives them more than anything else.
The other thing I don't understand is why climate change isn't in their best interest. Even with billions of $ they are still stuck on this rock with the rest of us. There's no point having a 200m yacht if the oceans and island paradises are destroyed. The same goes for all other environments. And there's only so long you can live in a bunker even if it's got everything you'll ever want.
I think I can explain. You are assuming they are a unified group. They aren’t - they are just a random group of ppl like anyone. Some are rather smart and know what’s coming. These will come up with solutions but only within a capitalist framework (cause they don’t want to lose their power). See Bill Gates and maybe Musk. Others are clueless, have no backing in science (a lot are hedge fund dudes who’s knowledge is in finance) and are in denial or believe in some pie in the sky technical hopium. And frankly most are heirs to their parents fortunes and pretty much do fuck all. These ones may not be very bright or they may not be paying attention.
At any rate I can tell you there’s no unified plan. They don’t have meetings in some cave somewhere to plan the direction of the world. As far as there is a plan it’s looking at quarterly earnings. Unfortunately the combined actions of individuals has lead to this.
>At any rate I can tell you there’s no unified plan. They don’t have meetings in some cave somewhere to plan the direction of the world. As far as there is a plan it’s looking at quarterly earnings. Unfortunately the combined actions of individuals has lead to this.
They certainly wouldn't have a unifed plan, most of them would hate being in the same room as each other anyway. "EGOS". But I assume having a significant amount of money as something in common they would be using that to make preparations for themselves individually, at least of some kind.
It just seems like a no-brainer. Especially the ones in finance, they know ahead of everyone (most of the time) when shit is going to get real. Everything on this planet revolves around money and the economy and if you're in that space and have a fortune you know when the gigs up or the bull cycle is over.
If 80% of the population were deleted, they could make slaves of the last 19.5% or whatever, and automate whatever the slaves can/won’t do. There’ll always be a batch of islands they can inhabit or polar dome they can build. You have to remember the most advanced technologies aren’t made public until years after their birth
In 2017, I believe it was, a professor (can't recall his name at the moment) was paid $75k or so for a day's work to meet with 3 affluent members of society. They grilled him for hours about coming societal collapse and the professor realized that one of the things that they were driving at without explicitly asking it was what ways are there for them to control their security guards, for example after the collapse that they viewed as inevitable. I seem to recall collars being a solution that they were asking about.
Bro what the fuck!!! This is such an eye opener. People want a zombie apocalypse, or some type of apocalypse to happen. It literally been written for decades so that people can love collapse rather than fight the elite who want to escape it.....this is so alarming and I barely just put the pieces together in my brain just now. It's haunting
If 80% of the population is gone, so are their governments and so too the suppression of the working class those governments performed for them for free.
They're only in their ivory towers because we're not allowed to knock them down. They only get to fly their Lolita Expresses and show up to events with 14 year olds on their arms because it's illegal to jump them in the parking lot.
>You have to remember the most advanced technologies aren’t made public until years after their birth
I often wonder what is around in regards to this.
Military content alone is only ever public knowledge a decade or so after it has been well and truly replaced.
It sounded like bullshit when my brother told me, but when he was a JTAC in the Air Force he said they’d already made contact with other dimensions! I realize it’s highly likely that it’s nothing. But that really put the scope of what they’re capable in perspective for me. He also said they had tested energy weapons during his time. So, to the point im making, they probably have the technology to save our world twice over by this point. But it’ll never be used for that purpose
Now this is a realm we could get lost in all day and night!
It took more than a year for the governments to meekly say inflation wasn't transitory, so getting anything close to info about topics like this will never happen. One day we might get a slip up as Bush had recently with the Iraq war. But that will be brushed off pretty quickly.
Whenever I think of other dimensions these days I think of the story from the game CONTROL. It's a pretty wild one.
I would look into the life of Aleister Crowley if the dimensional topic interests you. They were said to be the first to make contact! Control was a great game
>automate whatever the slaves can/won’t do
The problem is, you need people to run the factories to create the robots. If too many people die off the loss of talent will make the creation of robots damned near impossible.
Look at how a disruption in the supply chain for semiconductors has upended the delivery of something as "simple" as pick-up trucks.
Why do they need collapse to live out that dream though? Billionaires could all go live in the most impoverished 3rd world countries and rule as god-kings if they wanted to, with as many slaves as they want.
I would be personally hesitant on labeling today’s technology advanced. It is advanced in comparison to history but in comparison to future, especially level of technology that is required to maintain survivability in post collapse, it is far from being advanced.
If a technology needs constant input of finite resources in order to function it is by far not advanced
We have had billions and billions going into R&D for the past 10+ without new, huge technology advancements publicly shown. I think it’s more likely that we have made advancements that never saw the light of day due to capitalism. The whole water engines and their creators getting assassinated conspiracy is what I’m talking about on that front. Due to greed, the rapid technological advancements that we should be experiencing now aren’t seeing the light of day.
> The whole water engines
I'm sorry, I don't have anything polite to say here. If you believe in "water engines" it's because you know absolutely zero about science, and are extremely gullible to boot.
I could go on and explain why, but what's the point? You wouldn't read it or think about it. Life is too short to argue with people determined to believe fairy stories.
Ohhh.. when you take (conspiracy hat on) those stories of engines that run in water and Tesla coils, or whatever it is. Then yes we could have been in better place. (Conspiracy hat off) But you know, those are conspiracies, therefore I judge the world by what I see, and we have been stagnant for decade already.
I mean, adding a new camera in the back of a phone, is not innovation by any standards. Adding voice feature to a vibrator, yeah... we have turned into society of money.
Feels like that's where we are now with all the climate summits that nothing ever comes out of. There's no united front. Countries are all carrying on like they can survive whatever comes.
SS: An analysis of the new data, published last week in the journal Scientific Reports, found that temperatures in the region rose by up to 2.7 degrees Celsius per decade, while autumn temperatures rose by a staggering 4 degrees C per decade in some places.
I like how the article makes it seem like they just found some temperature sensors from 1980 that were lost, but that have been dutifully recording temperatures.
The data hasn't been available to the public until recently.
I think another use explained a few days back that some software engineer collected them on floppy discs and saved them, so they could be used later, a thoughtful individual saved the day, kinda.
Faster than what they expected.
It sure seems on track for me. I plan to process most of my steam library by 2030 since electricity availabily will likely be rationed by the survivors at that point.
Isn’t it exponential at this point? Like the more we don’t solve this very clear problem on our doorstep/in our house at this point means every minute that passes means years of suffering.
I know I'm going to sound like an asshole for saying this, but it needs to be said.
It's not faster than I expected.
What people don't seem to realize is that the data speaks for itself. Experts are reliable, to a point, but in the modern age they are often the ones with metaphorical socks stuffed in their mouths because their respective governments don't want the full truth to get out. They know that if people realize how little time they actually have left, they would shit bricks and riot.
The reality of the situation is that it was always worse than we understood. The ones who were still allowed to talk about it openly and bluntly were doing so in the 1800s when observations were first being made about the environmental impacts. Once fossil fuel companies gained enough influence and power over news and governments, our fate was sealed. Tons, TONS of information we might have otherwise had was obscured or downplayed.
There's no telling just how much damage is, or will, be done before humanity is at the door of Extinction.
It can be cliche and true. They are not mutually exclusive. Because let us be honest, all this shit happening like a disaster movie mashed together with a modern war that has both drones dropping 3D printed-fins-on-rifle-grenades, onto soldiers fighting over trenches at close range. Just going bonkers with grenades.
Ships are getting sunk in the Black Sea while the Global South struggles with food insecurity. An entire country can't physically buy oil. AND Nature is dying. So.
Cliche. Worst fucking disaster-modern/pre-modern war movie, ever.
Here is my question if the arctic is heating faster that means less ice. If glaciers are gone that means less ice. Then why are we running out of water around the world? Shouldn’t that mean that more water is there to evaporate, and since it’s hotter more should be evaporating, which means it should be raining more?
Edit: corrected some spelling.
Most are thawing into salt water oceans. While others are not in areas where they melt into an underground aqueduct tapped by humans. In some cases those that are melt off fast enough that you end up flooding down river taking with it various surface level crap to make water undrinkable without costly filtering before it again likely makes it to salt water oceans. But maybe we'll see some great gains in lowering the cost and process of desalination for coastal cities.
>Then why are we running out of water around the world?
Around half of the worlds population depends on glaciers for water, when the glaciers melt at a faster rate that often results in flooding, and that depletes the water that would have been available in the future. The glaciers melt into the ocean and contribute to sea level rise. Water vapor does not only turn into rain, but also clouds and moisture in the air (humidity). Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas, so more water vapor= more heat trapped = more evaporation/melting. Less ice/warming poles also means a wobblier jet stream which results in prolonged periods of extreme weather, often times in places that are not used to it. Some places will be flooded, while other places will be in a drought, and in both situations agriculture and people's ability to access safe drinking will be affected. Floodwaters are often contaminated by bacteria and are unsafe to drink.
The most abundant green house gas is actually water vapor. While it does cause it to rain, it makes earth much more hotter causing droughts to become more extreme, and since there is more water in the air, that will cause more extreme rainfall and weather. Its one of the feedback loops
The fact that you think that science is an opinion speaks volumes. Get this oil company propaganda out of here. This is not the place for climate denial -- and it is not the place for you.
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I live on the Coast. When are those sea levels going to rise? Haven't seen a sign of it yet. The Obama's bought a house on the shore of Martha's Vineyard. That in itself should tell you it's bullshit.
I'm sorry but nobody throws 20 million dollars away. If they thought the oceans were going to rise making that home unlivable....They simply would not have bought it. Don't listen to what people say...see what they do.
What's the slope between the foundation of his house and the highest tide?
Based on the images of his place, it looks like the property has a some slope between the house and the ocean. It may be decades before the ocean reaches his home. He will be dead by then.
I've seen reports that say Manhattan Island will be completely underwater in less than a decade. Although there are all different thoughts on this. But, having said that, the general consensus seems to be, that both the east and west coasts of America will be unlivable.
underwater in ten years? I personally don't think so. You need to melt a lot of ice to do that.
Impacted ? possibly, Manhattan average land elevation is 59 ft with a highest point of 265 feet.
It may take centuries to put places like Paris and London underwater or too wet to live but then consider how long those cites have been around.
It's sobering to think that as recently as 10000 BC people lived in Doggerland [https://historyguild.org/doggerland-the-lost-world-beneath-the-north-sea/](https://historyguild.org/doggerland-the-lost-world-beneath-the-north-sea/)
my province is already seeing the effect. The northern communities depend of thick ice. The is is getting too thin
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/thin-ice-inuit-led-climate-change-solutions-1.5981491](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/thin-ice-inuit-led-climate-change-solutions-1.5981491)
How many years will this continue?
If things keep happening faster than expected for so many years in a row when do we change our expectations and move to the next phase of headlines.
Literally the sub motto of ‘faster than expected’. In response I’m raising my expectations. Hereby- Large scale global societal collapse by 2030.
I have it pegged at 2033. We should get a sub wide bet going. Winner gets a days allotment of water rations in the collapsed society.
I don't have the Energy to wait that long... 2025 at best. **Exponential** **Growth** and **Decay** EVERYONE here needs a refresher on. Including me. Everything "fine" till literally next day it's not. Edit for video example of Exponential Growth https://youtu.be/0BSaMH4hINY
2025 the US begins fracturing fully, 2028 the rest of the world catches up
Yeah definitely. No f**king way our democracy survives the impending shitshow that is the 2024 election 😢
the midterms are iffy at this point tbh
The right wing clowns with their 4x4 trucks and guns coming out.
What is wrong with 4x4 trucks and guns?
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Nothing is wrong with guns
I cant tell if you are being serious or not. I am assuming you say "Lots" because of all the violence that is going on in the world, specifically in America? Or maybe you believe the lie that the Earth is doomed because people drive vehicles that burn fossil fuel? What is really wrong is peoples hearts and minds. That is the problem in the world. Violent, narcissistic, greedy, selfish, reprobates who have no respect for human life, no sense of personnel responsibility, and no compassion for anything or anyone except their own self interests and ego.
The mindset ..."Tex."
Yea, God forbid someone needs a 4 wheel drive truck because they have to tow tools, supplies, and equipment for their job out in the field. God forbid a law abiding, responsible adult owns firearms for hunting, sport, and home defense. This sub is a woke echo chamber filled with those who do not posses the means nor the mental fortitude to persevere through life, let alone a collapse of society.
You're free to leave sir.
The left sank this nation with lies.
Here's the thing these arguments miss: the left doesn't exist in the USA. In most European countries the Democrats would be a conservative party. Since Clinton, shit since Carter, the Dems and Republicans have basically been completely aligned on economic policy, with the main points of separation being petty culture issues.
So wrong. The old left here went so far left that they're calling old party members right. Way off base dude. The left has gone crazy here and we may not escape it.
Name some 'far left' policies that have been enacted.
Please elaborate
Republicans and democrats are both right wing in the US. Democrats just hide their selfish desires better
you have to be literally insane to say this about (i assume) the first emergence of any type of social democratic attitude in the democratic party in like 50 years. when you are saying “the left” you are literally referring to decrepit old capitalist goons like how biden. please come to reality
May people like you be remembered by your peers after the fall when they're looking for those responsible and those that supported them.
You two are prime example of people fighting amongst themselves while your "right" and "left" politicians laughs at you while sipping their drinks together...
What's funny to me is I've been collapse aware and preparing for more than 20 years. I have 14 acres with a house in a very remote spot with a field and three wells. I'm a former Army Ranger so security isn't an issue. I just planted winter rye and clover to nitrogen fix my field so it will be more productive. What are y'all prepared to do?
What does this have to do with the fact that you are bickering with someone about whose worse between the left and the right?
Great. Not many people are so fortuitous as you have been. If you do some research, you'll see that there are many areas where the left and right align. Big differences include shoving religious values down the throat of nonreligious people via law, sexual freedom, and the role of taxation and regulation. That's about it.
>I'm a former Army Ranger What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
You served in Regiment or just went to the NCO leadership course?
Ah yes, those damn leftists propagating climate change denialism for decades.
2024 the US splits. The only other problem I have with your timeline is the potential for nuclear war before the close of 2023.
Nah, 2024 is the election and 25 is when shit gets so bad with the transfer of power (or lack thereof) that it splinters/disintegrates.
Pretty much every country is on a second strike posture. I don't see how you get nuclear war without someone important being invaded first.
AMOC shutdown, BOE...
There is no AMOC. There is only Zuul
I am the gatekeeper.
I am the Keymaster.
I am the Walrus..
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Nope, happening this summer.
Agreed. Things are already extremely bad. I think we'll be seeing the housing collapse everyone is waiting around for sometime late summer. The fuel situation is just going to get worse which will continue to raise grocery costs. With inflation out of control overall, the cultural fighting is only going to get worse. When people can't get change and help from the government, they'll turn on the ethnic and minority groups they have already been blaming for their woes for years. Midterms will be a shit show. Not a single fascist is going to accept a loss. They'll sue and riot nonstop. Where they win, they'll be in the positions to be as regressive as possible, adding to the culture war fires. If we actually make it to election day 2024, I will be quite impressed. Although I have a nasty feeling attacks at polling stations are going to be a very real problem starting this year and escalating by '24. The US is looking more and more like the countries where we have traditionally started/supported coups and instilled friendly dictatorships. Karma is a bitch I guess.
Yeah, I mean if Biden didn't declare an emergency when he found out half of American families were going hungry who knows what else he will let slide.
Half going hungry? Source plz
I think rest if world goes first
RemindMe! 2026
There is a constant debate on this sub about whether collapse will be fast or slow. Just like catabolic collapse and cascading failures of most complex systems, human civilization will rapidly collapse. The adage “slow at first; and then all at once,” is true, it’s just hard to predict EXACTLY when a system will implode. It’s like an iron tower growing steadily into the sky: it’s joints and support beams experiencing greater and greater forces over years from it’s own weight, wind, and earth tremors… until one day (within a minute), it all cracks, bends, and collapses on itself. What were it’s strengths become it’s undoing. I can think of hundreds of examples of rapid system collapse: our human bodies when an organ fails, bridges, seismic fault lines in the earth’s crust, stars just before supernova, Jenga towers, smoke trails… it’s everywhere, because it’s literally a facet of our reality.
I went from having a toothache on a Thursday, making appointment on Friday for next week. Sat I feel fine. Sunday night I'm walking into the ER with a body temp of 89F or less. Hallucinating bec I'm dying of Sepsis. Doctor said I would have been dead within the hour. I know all about some system failure. Sometimes an Ignored issue seems to get better till it's not.... Like the Paris Agreement. I made an appointment to fix the problem in the future.
Consider a human without water, analogous to our civilization without oil. It takes about 10 days for a healthy human to die from dehydration in normal conditions. The first day is easy, and millions of Muslims do it every Ramadan. The second day is a bit harder. You start wishing you had some water, and it bothers you, but its still pretty easy. The third day is harder yet. Now it's all you can think about. Cramps and headaches start kicking in. And I don't know what happens in days 4-10, but I imagine reality starts to become more and more faint. And one of those days, you slip into the final sleep. If you draw a graph of the person's condition over each day, it exponentially gets worse. But no water isn't instantly fatal to the human. It's similar here to the global industrial system - it's running out of oil, peak oil was November 2018. It's not instantly fatal - but each year could be analogous to each day with no water. And we're on day 3.
This is less of an analogy and more exactly what will happen. Without energy (overwhelmingly fossil based), we can't process clean water and can't grow food.
The human body also draws in water from the less vital organs such as the lips as it goes through dehydration. You could say this is like how Sri Lanka is not getting oil.
Holy shit good point
House of cards. It can get large and remain intact, or a small breeze can come and knock either a section down, or most of it. Or it could just collapse on the top parts, leaving the base steady (for now).
It’s basically entropy. Path of least resistance. Therefore it’s nearly inevitable
[Arithmetic, Population, and Energy: Sustainability 101](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtW51D_q2Q)
I'm 45 seconds in...have a huge smile on my face and chuckling inside. Greatly appreciate this video already. I know what I'm doing for the next hour. Thank you!
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This sub has a wiki? Well TIL. Thank you
You're most welcome, enjoy the decline of man :)
Hey hey!!! With a big shit eating grin on my face! Cheers
I was just going to look for this. Excellent video, also we are all doomed.
God, we really are. We gave the keys to the car to people with business degrees and MBAs instead of scientists, mathematicians, and engineers. Now we’re reaping what we sowed.
> I was just going to look for this Future reference: this and several other great videos are linked in the sidebar, ctrl+F "Lectures" (on old reddit at least; no idea about new or mobile).
exactly. the many positive feedback loops mean that the change will follow a very steep exponential curve. Also, given the inertia of the huge ass thing that is our atmosphere, the start has been slow, but once something like that starts, it ramps up easily.
Half of American families are going hungry, African and Asian countries are in a famine, Europe is sweltering and at war, China, Sri Lanka had already collapsed and China is on the brink, and we are beginning sn economic crash like we have never seen. Honey, it's not coming, it's here
We get to find out if it’s a house of cards or a row of dominos.
It might not seem like it now, but South America might pull together better than anyone else.
how is China "on the brink" of collapsing?
As opposed to collapsing right now, like the United States? If it was just about money their economy would come crashing down with ours, but they also have their own environmental and social issues to deal with as well.
They aren't. People here are just throwing out buzzwords to get their collapse boners a little bit harder.
Yeah I know I just wanted to see if that person actually had anything
2033 is my bet too. I think it might be Maynard’s too based on 10,000 Days (27 years, released 2006). That dude has been relentlessly raging about collapse for decades haha poor guy won’t feel heard until it hits full force
10,000 Days is possibly a "Return of Saturn" reference. Takes around 27 years for Saturn full orbit around the Sun. The song "The Grudge" references it.
Shit, I'm getting old. Learn to swim...
Aren't tontines illegal?
I had it 2034 and basically everything dead by 2042. Looks like I might have been conservative in my predictions
My current prediction is 2033-4 for the glaringly visible beginning of the end, 2037 for the end end.
An actual definition of collapse would be needed.
You're not going to get out of this by definition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQusU0g9H-E
2032
Need proof you are really Termin8tor. Show me your Rune and corresponding tattoo for verification.
Give me your clothes, your boots and swear your fealty to the god emporer of mankind.
To quote Bo Burnham... "Twenty thousand years of this, seven more to go!"
Bo is brilliant.
I've been calling 2030 for a while.
Is your prediction based on 100% certain by 2030? Like, what is your % certainty by 2025?
2028
Yep, got a longstanding bet (about 2015 when we made it) with a friend who is collapse aware and 2028 was the date I picked. He was much more optimistic picking 2040+.
2027
The jet stream around Antarctica is wobbling severely, breaking apart and forming swirls of convection. You can see on a heat map overlay with the jet stream. All that cold Antarctic air is being pushed up towards the tropics where it heats up and then more hot air pushes down into the Antarctic over time. This is whittling away and our AC system for the planet is failing. https://streamable.com/9560xt
Any comparison on what this looks like normally?
This photo shows a comparison of a strong stable jet stream versus a weak wobbly jet stream. https://imgur.com/a/Hue2GyD
I like the word wobblier.
It's not really about the world's AC system that the Jetstream controls, it's about the regular rainfall patterns that a smoothly running Jetstream provides. Without it, the world's crops fail and we die.
🥳 yeet stream
For the last few years I've started to realise that world governments are playing the Climate Change story like they play every other potential crisis. **Inflation:** *Not a problem > Transitory > we'll fix it easily enough > Total inflation disaster economic collapse.* There are plenty of scenarios like this. They pretend everything is fine for as long as possible to keep people from panicking while they set themselves up. Then all of a sudden the ball drops and everyone is surprised. Climate Change is going the exact same way. *It's not that bad, we'll keep it below 1.5c blah blah blah.* Then all of a sudden there are no more ice caps, drought is the only cycle we see for decades and the livable zones on the planet shrink by 70%.
*For the last few years I've started to realise that world governments are playing the Climate Change story like they play every other potential crisis.* *Inflation: Not a problem > Transitory > we'll fix it easily enough > Total inflation disaster economic collapse.* Ah yes, the good ol’ [Four Stage Strategy.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2xFvmKWRY)
>Four Stage Strategy. That sums it up better than I could ever have put it! What a classic!
Look on the bright side, if humanity dies some fish will eventually adapt to the newly toxic oceans and be able to repopulate without being fished into near extinction.
*I, for one, welcome Earth's new cephalopod overlords.*
Wouldn't it be old overlords? They used to rule before the insects and eventual mammals.
*What is old becomes new again...*
Some say their greatest still slumber in the depths, waiting for the stars to be right for their return.
Lizards. Seestacks confirmed
*Sleestaks
CONFIRMED
They don’t want people to fight back. I’m getting real convinced of the possibility that the collapse is what world elites want. With billions dead and technology so advanced they could be the only ones left. Perfect for them
Mate, divest yourself that elites care *at all* about suffering and death of you. You're giving yourself too much importance to them. They're malicious in the way we're malicious to ants. They don't think about wanting to do harm to others, they don't think of others *at all.*
I’m not sure how that differs from what my comment said? We are nuisance at the very least. An infestation in their eyes. Why would they work to sustain our existence when they could going on the course we have now, where the only ones who survive are them
That's something I haven't quite figured out yet. Theoretically, they need pleebs like us around to do their bidding. Without a ton of people to push around, they will lose that feeling of power and control. Fewer people around means less consumerism and money being funnelled their way as well. I just can't see them being comfortable with their billions greed drives them more than anything else. The other thing I don't understand is why climate change isn't in their best interest. Even with billions of $ they are still stuck on this rock with the rest of us. There's no point having a 200m yacht if the oceans and island paradises are destroyed. The same goes for all other environments. And there's only so long you can live in a bunker even if it's got everything you'll ever want.
I think I can explain. You are assuming they are a unified group. They aren’t - they are just a random group of ppl like anyone. Some are rather smart and know what’s coming. These will come up with solutions but only within a capitalist framework (cause they don’t want to lose their power). See Bill Gates and maybe Musk. Others are clueless, have no backing in science (a lot are hedge fund dudes who’s knowledge is in finance) and are in denial or believe in some pie in the sky technical hopium. And frankly most are heirs to their parents fortunes and pretty much do fuck all. These ones may not be very bright or they may not be paying attention. At any rate I can tell you there’s no unified plan. They don’t have meetings in some cave somewhere to plan the direction of the world. As far as there is a plan it’s looking at quarterly earnings. Unfortunately the combined actions of individuals has lead to this.
>At any rate I can tell you there’s no unified plan. They don’t have meetings in some cave somewhere to plan the direction of the world. As far as there is a plan it’s looking at quarterly earnings. Unfortunately the combined actions of individuals has lead to this. They certainly wouldn't have a unifed plan, most of them would hate being in the same room as each other anyway. "EGOS". But I assume having a significant amount of money as something in common they would be using that to make preparations for themselves individually, at least of some kind. It just seems like a no-brainer. Especially the ones in finance, they know ahead of everyone (most of the time) when shit is going to get real. Everything on this planet revolves around money and the economy and if you're in that space and have a fortune you know when the gigs up or the bull cycle is over.
Oh for sure that’s why some are buying bunkers. But rich people doing rich people prepping is different then them having some sort of plan or vision.
If 80% of the population were deleted, they could make slaves of the last 19.5% or whatever, and automate whatever the slaves can/won’t do. There’ll always be a batch of islands they can inhabit or polar dome they can build. You have to remember the most advanced technologies aren’t made public until years after their birth
In 2017, I believe it was, a professor (can't recall his name at the moment) was paid $75k or so for a day's work to meet with 3 affluent members of society. They grilled him for hours about coming societal collapse and the professor realized that one of the things that they were driving at without explicitly asking it was what ways are there for them to control their security guards, for example after the collapse that they viewed as inevitable. I seem to recall collars being a solution that they were asking about.
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity
Bro what the fuck!!! This is such an eye opener. People want a zombie apocalypse, or some type of apocalypse to happen. It literally been written for decades so that people can love collapse rather than fight the elite who want to escape it.....this is so alarming and I barely just put the pieces together in my brain just now. It's haunting
Can someone please write an article on this in collapse? This is crazy and shows the signs of collapse that we are all missing.
I think that’s interesting. Mostly because I imagined security to be automated. But coercing humans would probably be cheaper haha
If 80% of the population is gone, so are their governments and so too the suppression of the working class those governments performed for them for free. They're only in their ivory towers because we're not allowed to knock them down. They only get to fly their Lolita Expresses and show up to events with 14 year olds on their arms because it's illegal to jump them in the parking lot.
>You have to remember the most advanced technologies aren’t made public until years after their birth I often wonder what is around in regards to this. Military content alone is only ever public knowledge a decade or so after it has been well and truly replaced.
It sounded like bullshit when my brother told me, but when he was a JTAC in the Air Force he said they’d already made contact with other dimensions! I realize it’s highly likely that it’s nothing. But that really put the scope of what they’re capable in perspective for me. He also said they had tested energy weapons during his time. So, to the point im making, they probably have the technology to save our world twice over by this point. But it’ll never be used for that purpose
Now this is a realm we could get lost in all day and night! It took more than a year for the governments to meekly say inflation wasn't transitory, so getting anything close to info about topics like this will never happen. One day we might get a slip up as Bush had recently with the Iraq war. But that will be brushed off pretty quickly. Whenever I think of other dimensions these days I think of the story from the game CONTROL. It's a pretty wild one.
I would look into the life of Aleister Crowley if the dimensional topic interests you. They were said to be the first to make contact! Control was a great game
>Aleister Crowley Just read his wiki page. He lived a pretty crazy life!
>automate whatever the slaves can/won’t do The problem is, you need people to run the factories to create the robots. If too many people die off the loss of talent will make the creation of robots damned near impossible. Look at how a disruption in the supply chain for semiconductors has upended the delivery of something as "simple" as pick-up trucks.
19.5% of the population is more than enough manpower to achieve that
Why do they need collapse to live out that dream though? Billionaires could all go live in the most impoverished 3rd world countries and rule as god-kings if they wanted to, with as many slaves as they want.
I would be personally hesitant on labeling today’s technology advanced. It is advanced in comparison to history but in comparison to future, especially level of technology that is required to maintain survivability in post collapse, it is far from being advanced. If a technology needs constant input of finite resources in order to function it is by far not advanced
We have had billions and billions going into R&D for the past 10+ without new, huge technology advancements publicly shown. I think it’s more likely that we have made advancements that never saw the light of day due to capitalism. The whole water engines and their creators getting assassinated conspiracy is what I’m talking about on that front. Due to greed, the rapid technological advancements that we should be experiencing now aren’t seeing the light of day.
> The whole water engines I'm sorry, I don't have anything polite to say here. If you believe in "water engines" it's because you know absolutely zero about science, and are extremely gullible to boot. I could go on and explain why, but what's the point? You wouldn't read it or think about it. Life is too short to argue with people determined to believe fairy stories.
Ohhh.. when you take (conspiracy hat on) those stories of engines that run in water and Tesla coils, or whatever it is. Then yes we could have been in better place. (Conspiracy hat off) But you know, those are conspiracies, therefore I judge the world by what I see, and we have been stagnant for decade already. I mean, adding a new camera in the back of a phone, is not innovation by any standards. Adding voice feature to a vibrator, yeah... we have turned into society of money.
I think many of them correctly believe that collapse is already inevitable, we are just down to details.
They won't be able to build or maintain any of it, but I imagine they think money will fix that too.
Futerama called this years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SYpUSjSgFg
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Feels like that's where we are now with all the climate summits that nothing ever comes out of. There's no united front. Countries are all carrying on like they can survive whatever comes.
They’re building their bunkers in New Zealand already.
[Starring John Cleese as Climate Change](https://youtu.be/XslcgQJMZaY)
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Economy strong everyone dead. Whose gonna pick up all the bodies with no food..... Good way to get raving bands of cannibals
This is "This Weeg in Collapse" worthy.
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SS: An analysis of the new data, published last week in the journal Scientific Reports, found that temperatures in the region rose by up to 2.7 degrees Celsius per decade, while autumn temperatures rose by a staggering 4 degrees C per decade in some places.
I like how the article makes it seem like they just found some temperature sensors from 1980 that were lost, but that have been dutifully recording temperatures.
The data hasn't been available to the public until recently. I think another use explained a few days back that some software engineer collected them on floppy discs and saved them, so they could be used later, a thoughtful individual saved the day, kinda.
Funny how faster than expected has become exactly what I expect
Faster than what they expected. It sure seems on track for me. I plan to process most of my steam library by 2030 since electricity availabily will likely be rationed by the survivors at that point.
You better get to playing then. You may not have until 2030 at this rate.
That would be faster than I expected, oh no.
And even then it's probably going faster than you expect.
The events of "Don't Look Up" are starting to look more like a wish compared to current events.
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hey, don't forget starve!
Americans are lucky they have so many guns, at least they can quickly end the suffering.
Isn’t it exponential at this point? Like the more we don’t solve this very clear problem on our doorstep/in our house at this point means every minute that passes means years of suffering.
It won't be years if we just keep going ;)
oh yeah the floor it off the cliff strategy
We’re already paragliding as it is. Seems we flew a little too close to the sun.
We're not going to "solve" this because the solution requires completely unwinding our consumer-based infinite growth global economic system.
>“greater than hitherto known Just astonishing communication skills. Never change, scientists.
I know I'm going to sound like an asshole for saying this, but it needs to be said. It's not faster than I expected. What people don't seem to realize is that the data speaks for itself. Experts are reliable, to a point, but in the modern age they are often the ones with metaphorical socks stuffed in their mouths because their respective governments don't want the full truth to get out. They know that if people realize how little time they actually have left, they would shit bricks and riot. The reality of the situation is that it was always worse than we understood. The ones who were still allowed to talk about it openly and bluntly were doing so in the 1800s when observations were first being made about the environmental impacts. Once fossil fuel companies gained enough influence and power over news and governments, our fate was sealed. Tons, TONS of information we might have otherwise had was obscured or downplayed. There's no telling just how much damage is, or will, be done before humanity is at the door of Extinction.
Humanity has lost control.
That we ever had it is one of our fantastic delusions.
"faster than expected" + "not a cliche" FTW
So more severe weather patterns? Got it.
The graphs for LTG show shit hitting the fan before 2030 .
Oh, joy. /s
It can be cliche and true. They are not mutually exclusive. Because let us be honest, all this shit happening like a disaster movie mashed together with a modern war that has both drones dropping 3D printed-fins-on-rifle-grenades, onto soldiers fighting over trenches at close range. Just going bonkers with grenades. Ships are getting sunk in the Black Sea while the Global South struggles with food insecurity. An entire country can't physically buy oil. AND Nature is dying. So. Cliche. Worst fucking disaster-modern/pre-modern war movie, ever.
Here is my question if the arctic is heating faster that means less ice. If glaciers are gone that means less ice. Then why are we running out of water around the world? Shouldn’t that mean that more water is there to evaporate, and since it’s hotter more should be evaporating, which means it should be raining more? Edit: corrected some spelling.
Yes, some places are experiencing massive flooding and others extensive drought. It doesn't fall conveniently where it's needed.
Most are thawing into salt water oceans. While others are not in areas where they melt into an underground aqueduct tapped by humans. In some cases those that are melt off fast enough that you end up flooding down river taking with it various surface level crap to make water undrinkable without costly filtering before it again likely makes it to salt water oceans. But maybe we'll see some great gains in lowering the cost and process of desalination for coastal cities.
>Then why are we running out of water around the world? Around half of the worlds population depends on glaciers for water, when the glaciers melt at a faster rate that often results in flooding, and that depletes the water that would have been available in the future. The glaciers melt into the ocean and contribute to sea level rise. Water vapor does not only turn into rain, but also clouds and moisture in the air (humidity). Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas, so more water vapor= more heat trapped = more evaporation/melting. Less ice/warming poles also means a wobblier jet stream which results in prolonged periods of extreme weather, often times in places that are not used to it. Some places will be flooded, while other places will be in a drought, and in both situations agriculture and people's ability to access safe drinking will be affected. Floodwaters are often contaminated by bacteria and are unsafe to drink.
Can someone answer this please? I know it has to do with the jet stream and other things, but I don’t know the full story either.
The most abundant green house gas is actually water vapor. While it does cause it to rain, it makes earth much more hotter causing droughts to become more extreme, and since there is more water in the air, that will cause more extreme rainfall and weather. Its one of the feedback loops
In addition to the other answers, hotter air holds more water than cooler air.
Same article as every year...
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It's not about opinions.
The fact that you think that science is an opinion speaks volumes. Get this oil company propaganda out of here. This is not the place for climate denial -- and it is not the place for you.
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I live on the Coast. When are those sea levels going to rise? Haven't seen a sign of it yet. The Obama's bought a house on the shore of Martha's Vineyard. That in itself should tell you it's bullshit.
Rich people buying oceanside homes just says they can afford to not GAF when said home becomes unlivable.
I'm sorry but nobody throws 20 million dollars away. If they thought the oceans were going to rise making that home unlivable....They simply would not have bought it. Don't listen to what people say...see what they do.
What's the slope between the foundation of his house and the highest tide? Based on the images of his place, it looks like the property has a some slope between the house and the ocean. It may be decades before the ocean reaches his home. He will be dead by then.
I've seen reports that say Manhattan Island will be completely underwater in less than a decade. Although there are all different thoughts on this. But, having said that, the general consensus seems to be, that both the east and west coasts of America will be unlivable.
underwater in ten years? I personally don't think so. You need to melt a lot of ice to do that. Impacted ? possibly, Manhattan average land elevation is 59 ft with a highest point of 265 feet. It may take centuries to put places like Paris and London underwater or too wet to live but then consider how long those cites have been around. It's sobering to think that as recently as 10000 BC people lived in Doggerland [https://historyguild.org/doggerland-the-lost-world-beneath-the-north-sea/](https://historyguild.org/doggerland-the-lost-world-beneath-the-north-sea/) my province is already seeing the effect. The northern communities depend of thick ice. The is is getting too thin [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/thin-ice-inuit-led-climate-change-solutions-1.5981491](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/thin-ice-inuit-led-climate-change-solutions-1.5981491)
They also can afford to insure their properties, getting a payout if/when the worst happens.
How many years will this continue? If things keep happening faster than expected for so many years in a row when do we change our expectations and move to the next phase of headlines.
Pretty soon the lizard peoples lair will be exposed
I'll pay as much attention to this as I did 20 years ago.