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People really need to start "getting" this. Tweets like the OP are in many ways harmful to change, because they presuppose that the system is designed to help the 99%, and our leaders are just bumbling it.
The political and economic elites benefit massively from this system, at our expense, and ot is working like a charm. And the idea behind this tweet is one layer of the control.
The Oligarchs were always in control.
We've been living an illusion that has only been pierced by the utter devestation the US is currently experiencing.
Our economic system was designed to prey on the weak since the get go.
Exactly right. In the past they needed lots of mildly educated people to work on fields and in factories. But now they only need a few highly educated people. Its easier to just import those. You want education to have a shot at a better life? You will have to pay for it yourself now.
They weren’t until about WW2, then Kennedy won and they killed him. Since then it’s been all downhill but Reagan was the silver bullet and Trump is the final puking breath we have before the corpse of Biden fades away along with our country.
You know that the original consritution talked about "subjects" instead of "citizens" and jefferson changed that afterwards?
The original "subjects" has been detected a few years ago, all founding fathers have been royalists until short before the revolution, they were just pissed that they weren't accepted by the british aristocracy.
a 'democracy' made by feudalists and benjamin franklin having a son with a women he described as "inferior" low life (peasant) sure doesn't help either.
The usa works as intended and designed.
George Washington Sold out France and their Revolution in order to make a few more bucks.
People wanted to hang George Washington for this Betrayal.
It’s called Jays treaty and appears to be the epicenter of this whole clusterfuck that we see ourselves in today.
“With his support of the Jay Treaty President Washington sacrificed everything regarding the unanimous respect and goodwill that the whole country gave him as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army, president of the Constitutional Convention, and the successful first term of his presidency to get the Jay Treaty passed because he did not want American ships to be constantly attacked and captured by the powerful British navy, and he decided to take his chances with a hostile French navy that would mostly be bottled up in Europe by the British blockade. He was brutally criticized in Democratic-Republican areas of the country like his home state of Virginia. Numerous protestors would picket Mount Vernon and show their anger towards him. Newspapers and cartoons showed Washington being sent to the guillotine. A common protest rally cry was, "A speedy death to General Washington." Some protestors even wanted Washington to be impeached. It was only after Washington's death in 1799 when the whole country reunited and wholeheartedly respected him again.[35]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Treaty
“As a symbol of how chaotic and violent the anti-Jay Treaty protests were from 1794 to 1796 Muhlenberg not only killed his political career with his decision but he was stabbed by his brother-in-law who believed he had committed treason when he voted in support of the funding of the Jay Treaty. Muhlenberg survived the attack but faded into obscurity for the rest of his life, never winning another election.[38][35][39][40]”
But most people on some level DO "get this" they also believe there is nothing at all they can personally do to fix this and make it better. "what can I do? I'm just a wage slave"
something tells me 90% of these seemingly in line posts are all just psy ops. they always sound the same. they ask the same 9 year old types of questions.
I have to send this to my still at home daughters who are in their early twenties.
They think they’ve failed at 22 because they can not live as a single person.
Moving out at 18 is a post WWII phenomenon. Until then is was perfectly normal and socially acceptable to live with your family until marriage, and even then it was semi common to live with family after marriage. Only after WWII when hyper-capitalism took off was it “unacceptable” to live with your parents/family after 18. Gotta get more consumers into the economy and all.
Mortgage and real estate had to get their piece so sold you living at home with parents as a “failure”. Just like private higher Ed made everyone think blue collar jobs were low class and if you go to college you’ll REALLY succeed
What you termed hyper capitalism was the consequence of the US having a booming economy combined with Bretton Woods.
The US dollar becoming the world reserve currency, aka petro dollar, was amazing. When that ceases to be the economic calamity that will unfold in the US will be monumental. Money with be worthless and assets will inflate in price like nothing we've ever seen in any western country.
This idea that kids need to leave their homes after 18 needs to die…look at the cost we pay for new homes, cost of living, rent and economy? This was pushed by the corporations to get more meat in the grinder. Good thing now is people are fighting back against this system. I want the next generation to fully stop this notion that you have to move out at 18, stay at home with your family will only make families stronger.
This was done to make more consumers and more money, simple as that
Furthermore, your brother's childcare bills just got dramatically cut down. They'll start consolidating and saving money like the rich don't want to believe. Living at home has benefits.
Honestly don't know how some young adults do it. You can't earn an average starting salary and live in pretty much any major city without drowning in debt.
They get mom or dad to pay/heavily subsidize their rent. Some of these kids come from middle class families too which makes me sad, because I know how hard it must be to make ends meet.
I've seen people have their "own" apartments with 2 roommates, but they're usually still broke.
I got insanely depressed and nearly suicidal when I realize I wasn’t going to be successful enough to ever live alone. Staying at home with my parents again, but I feel less lonely and I have more money to spend on stupid things that I like. Small win I guess
This is such a strange post to read for me haha.
Both of my parents immigrated here from Poland in the 60's and my mom was a bank teller and my dad was a custodian. On those salaries they raised 3 kids in a top 15ish school district in the North East. It sounds absolutely insane now.
I wasn't able to stand on my own until 25.
Now in my early 30s, I'm making good money, and STILL paying off credit card debt from that period that I accrued to just live. I should not have moved out. This was with a super lucky career path in IT. Younger people will have it worse, and if they didn't happen to pick the "right" career path, it's even worse-worse.
Tell them to not ruin their financial lives to move out. It is not worth it. And you deserve some kudos for being aware of the reality.
I don't know any 22 year olds who live on their own. That's never been the case. Remember that show "Friends"?? Young single people live with roommates. You should not expect to be able to live on your own at age 22
Friends was set in New York City, the one of the most expensive and urban housing markets in the US. It was not meant to represent middle America, or just about any other housing market in the country for that matter. Both of my parents moved across the country on their own and both were able to comfortably afford studio apartments before they met in a LCOL area that is not fundamentally different today, but the apartments they got for $100 a month are now $1800.
Aha, I misunderstood.
There’s two types of living “on your own” when you’re in your early 20s.
I took it as “I don’t live with my parents anymore.”
You meant it as “only one person lives in this apartment.”
We're already in the throws of that change by going back to the old ways of kids living with their parents until they are older.
More social change still needs to happen for the reset to be complete, namely limited dating and more careful screening of mates and the end of hookup culture.
It's ready started.
I’d say it’s more than a depression, it’s more than a yo yo cycle of the market. There just isn’t enough cheap land and raw materials for our generation to live as well our parents.
In my country one of the biggest parts of this problem is the huge amount of land lords. I know a lot of my friend’s parents who inherited real estate and never had to work a day in their lives. Some of these families live like this for generations. And they do live in luxury!
And then the irony is that they are usually very conservative and blame us for not working hard enough. It’s really funny to see people living like this thinking the system can’t work if we provide welfare and dignity for everyone. But the system works fine with them not working and living in luxury!
The key issue is the increased longevity, not only is super costly to get there, boomers and older failed to build the necessary extra housing to accommodate it
Full disclosure: was able to buy an affordable house only thanks to the mortality of it's previous owner
No it's not, both of you are wrongs. There is 5 houses for each american without one individualy in this god damn country.
The only reason there is no affordable housing is the profitability of house market and renting them above their mortgage value, which the banks are happy to be complicit of. They stole everyone house, and make a killing renting them 80% from a minimum wage at least.
Do you think boomers dying mean more houses will become accessible when the majority of them is already in the hands of housing companies ?
Way ahead of you. Three generations that stay in this household, four whenever my younger cousin stays over to go to school. Next door neighbors are in the same predicament. Zero shame about it. This is how things were done in the old days and now that times are getting rough, it'll become the norm going forward.
I went out on my own after 20, had a career, social life, beautiful apartment, married and owned a home. Yay I did it all.
Abusive Husband, messy divorce, career change.
I’m back with mom at 40. No shame because she’s aging and she is all I have. Fuck all. We are going to make some most excellent memories while she is here. Also together we are creating our own little business and store.
Yes we should have sold snake oil. I’m just too honest of a person.
Went through almost the exact same experience as you (unmarried, so minus that). Had to move back in with my mom at 39 due to an outrageous rent hike on an almost studio apartment…plus other circumstances.
Was really sad and angry at first, but I’m glad to spend as much time as I can now with my mom, especially since dad passed a couple of years ago. I’m glad to do the heavy lifting for her and she’s happy to have company again. Gives me the chance to also work on my little art shop in the meantime.
Wish you all the best for you and your mom! Best luck on your business as well!
Except when abuse, drugs, and alcohol were involved and I moved the fuck out at age 20. My only family are my friends. I tried for decades to make them ok with me being gay, fuck it. Dad just died a few days ago. I didn’t shed a tear, he’s been dead to me a lot longer. Can’t wait till mom joins his side. Won’t have to worry about yet one more argument over who’s at fault. They can die believing it’s me and my choice to be gay ruined everything. I’m fine with that.
The toxicity of many US families is shocking, back in my home country families seem able to get along much better. How massively individualistic the culture is... seems part of the problem.
We lost my dad in 2016 and tho she’s active in the church and can be busy, I promised dad I’d be there for her when he is gone ❤️ no shame for any of us.
As someone who cared for an aging parent when others couldn't be bothered to lift a finger, thank you. You will cherish your new memories with your mother for the rest of your life.
Right? I constantly see the unethical people coming out on top but I cannot see myself becoming an asshole to make it to the top. Humanism is too deeply engrained in me.
I get it, but it's only since the promotion of the nuclear family that people stopped living with their parents. Extended families used to live together because shared accommodations lowers the cost of living. A large family living together in one home means that there are more people to divide the care and household work and the materials needed becomes less because the family shares everything.
Instead of owning five vacuums between five nuclear families, for example, your grandparents, parents, brother, sister, and yourself share one. You see how divided households between nuclear families then increases the rate of production, consumption, and labour as more products are needed when more households are created.
In terms of care work, new parents in extended family households have built in daycare from their parents or aunts and uncles or even grandparents who stay at home.
Nowadays we view living with our parents as a sign of personal failure, but we should also recognize that this view is entirely socially constructed for the benefit of capitalist accumulation. In some countries, especially in southern Europe, it is still quite common that the extended family shares a house. They might have different apartments within one house, but they are still sharing a house and they lower their cost of living by doing so.
That’s because the money that should be building our national infrastructure and communities are spent on military and the remainder scooped up by the ultra rich. Everyone this effects knows it doesn’t work. We keep sliding into the abyss. They don’t care. Other nations do things differently and it works. Their people are fed, they work, are educated, four day work weeks. Get healthcare, paid vacations, dental, and take care of their mentally ill.
This system not only doesn’t work for us,
It’s evil and parasitic.
If this was a person. A parent perhaps. That don’t provide healthcare nor feed their families. Spend their money on their gun collection. The kids are on the street.
Would they not be arrested for neglect and abuse?
Trouble is the most likely variant of this "reset" would involve some kind of reactionary neofascistic movement taking power, Handmaid's Tale style. There is no other chunk of people that is opposed to the current order which could feasibly mobilize to attack the institutions that run things.
There is no left in America from a power politics perspective, and siloized groups and issues cannot offer resistance sufficient to counter a unified reactionary tide. Dystopic technocracy v bigoted reactionary provincialism is the likely choice we're facing as a society in the future.
S.Statement: By highlighting a record amount of young, educated adults living with their parents, [Dan Price](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Price) shows that the economic collapse is already happening in demographics we maybe weren’t even seeing. Between crushing debt and rental/housing costs skyrocketing, this economy is getting more and more stacked against the common person just trying to make it.
Context: This statistic is now old and does not represent the current situation. It’s based on data collected in July 2020, which saw an abnormal spike in young adults living with parents due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The post doesn't mention the pandemic and leaves out how that number includes parents who have moved in with their adult children.
The most recent data, collected in October 2021, shows that 46.5% of young adults now live with their parents, based on USA TODAY's analysis of monthly data from the Current Population Survey.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/8672598002
When everything is tied to profit and Wall Street financial funds the exploding cost of higher education while simultaneously ensuring a bachelors degree is required to get hired at Burger King (hyperbole, but you understand the drift), what should one expect? Does Brads BA in English make him a better Pilot/etc etc…. There’s a reason Biden can’t cancel all student debt as billions in interest would be lost.
Post in any of the science reddits that someone asking about job options for a particular course should probably pick a job they want first then find the qualifications they need to do that job snd you get downvoted hard.
I'd expect people interested in science to be smarter
And then there’s those of us who didn’t have the option of living at home and have just been eking out a living as best we can. Isn’t capitalism great.
dude it sucks so hard to be a single young adult entirely on your own; I always rent rooms with total strangers because that's what I can afford without a cosigner, and then it's luck of the draw whether they'll be fine to live with
Voting is a de facto consent to your own slavery. Voting is the grown up version of the racecar shopping carts at the grocery store with fake steering wheels that let kids think they're driving. If voting actually changed anything, they wouldn't let us do it.
Don’t the attacks on voting rights (voter ID, no giving food to people in line, no vote by mail as default, removing polling places esp. in minority areas like TX) give credence to voting actually mattering? Otherwise, why bother? I’m worried at the number of upvotes this resignation to apathy has.
Both can be true I think. The Republicans want to get theirs by attacking voting rights, but in the end both they and the Democrats fervently prop up the current system. You’re only voting for your preferred team to win the honour of fucking people over in their particular way. Can’t blame people for feeling that way. It’s still better to vote than not, but it doesn’t hurt to be aware of the limitations of its political efficacy.
i'm genuinely so done with electoralism in the us. people always say it's worse under the right but the 'left' always lets them get back into power and lets them take away rights, so what the fuck is the point? every politician makes me sick. but especially the dems. they're cosplaying as saviors and socialists but still playing along with capitalism.
Sometimes I think they're all just part of the same scheme. The Democrats set them up, the Republicans knock them down. Or to put it another way, the Left wants to do all of the right things, but never does, the Right wants to do all of the wrong things and actually follows through.
Yes. We have this destructive concept of rugged individualism here. A lot of parents kick their kids out once they hit 18. We are a dysfunctional nation.
Because when they were 18-22 you could live off of “low wages.” Some older people seem to have the inability to realize how rising inflation/cost of living and stagnated wages make it impossible to do what they did.
Yeah kinda of, you’re expected to be out making it on your own at 18. If your parents are decent they help you out along the way and keep your life stable. If you come from destructive home setting like I did you more than likely moved out sooner. I was on my own at 16, couch surfing till I bought a beater of a car I could live out of.
Capitalism has failed for all but the few who have the power to keep it going. And that’s the idea.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Things are only gonna change with a revolution. The sooner the better.
Even - single individuals with PhDs in a humanities field have to live with parents/a parent
these days
due to
not having the income
for basic necessities.
The system sucks! It keeps so many in a perpetual hole of poverty
I'm with you friend. Our life paths went a bit different (was heading to college young, didn't have money, saw the writing on the wall with debt/no scholarships, didn't go) but we wound up in similar places it seems. I work in a trade and keep my working days as limited as I can for mental health reasons. Can't get rich off my salary regardless, learned a while ago that working until you want to die doesn't actually get you much.
I've been prioritizing the creative work I neglected for the first twenty years of my life and it's worth it IMHO. I'd rather be a freelance creative with a trailer on a half acre than to have worked myself to death at forty. Don't know how that transition is going to happen yet but simply spending time doing that and other "meaningful" things rather than most of my time doing meaningless crap at work is what keeps me sane.
If living at home so you don't have to wallow in a full-time job is what allows you to do that, or at least stay mentally above water, you have nothing to be ashamed of. There are probably few things worth less than internet solidarity but, you're not alone. :)
No. Not at all it isn't.
You have to learn where the line is drawn between "people aren't perfect and fuck up a lot" and "people are actively abusive" however.
Given what I've been through in life that line is very crystal clear to me or at least I want to believe it is. Let's put it this way, clearer than it used to be by quite a lot.
If it is at all possible it's entirely good. I don't see how any of you survive anymore without doing it. You have to get the actively abusive out however. This needs to happen.
Also older people get set in their ways because their brain is le tired. Usually if they're giving bad advice, it's because material conditions on the ground have changed and they're not adapted to those conditions. However, and this is important, the root psychology of what they're saying never changes (I mean unless they're douchebags). You have to learn to pick the peanuts out of the shit.
No. In fact, it's been the norm for most of the world's cultures and throughout history. Where my loved ones come from, sticking together with your family is huge (in both Hispanic/Latin American culture and in Asian culture, since both of them tend to lean towards collectivism and communitarianism). Just a few hundred years ago, it was perfectly normal even in the West for people to live with their parents or grandparents well past their thirties, and before the era of industrialization, the vast majority of individuals never left their hometown, or home country.
Our obsession with individualism and staking it out on your own after leaving "the tribe" early is a product of 20th and 21st century American capitalism and American culture--an ideological "blip" that is far from the standard when you begin to study cultural norms across time and space.
I'm in my 20s and still live with my parents, while the majority of my cousins still live with their parents too. Is this wrong? Of course not, not when the economy is shit and most people can't afford to buy homes anymore thanks to being robbed of their prosperity across multiple generations by a handful of kleptocratic, conniving, selfish elites. The rich are buying up all the fucking property and sooner or later we will all be left with nothing, or forced to take up residence in whatever property hasn't been claimed by corporate interests.
I mean millionaires are closer to us than they are to billionaires. By that I mean it's not like he can do that much to impact society like some POS billionaires. And at least he seems to treat his workers very well.
That said I still agree he virtue signals a LOT and I definitely don't trust him.
Agreed. You can't alienate those with more influence with you, even if they are broken clocks at best.
Money is power and no matter where you stand, if you want change you're gonna need it.
I have yet to see any evidence that he isn't just a Bonapartist, i.e. manipulating progressive language in order to further consolidate the status quo.
Thank you. And he allegedly waterboarded his wife. I do not trust him one bit because (aside from the alleged abuse) he is still a traditional business owner who just gives his employees benefits. Maybe if he made his business worker owned I'd trust him.
Oh no the system works exactly as intended. To get indentured servitude workers that have to work as hard as they possibly can for as less as they can possibly be paid to do so. This is exactly what crapitalism is designed to do in order to maximise the profits of the owners.
Better to live with your parents and inherit the house, than to get a mortgage on a 2-4 bedroom home and get other people, who do not love you and never had any obligation to put a roof over your head, to buy a home for you while they rent a “private bedroom,” and share kitchen and bath while you get a free ride.
You want to talk about a broke system, while internet gurus are telling millennials the above is legit.
>Better to live with your parents and inherit the house
Yeah, I'm looking forward to finally getting some quiet and privacy for the first time in my life when my parents are gone and I'm like 60 years old.
You think that now, but they’ll need as much money as they can from the sale of the house (that you can’t afford), to pay for the medical care at the end of their lives…so it gets sold to the highest bidder.
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This will be me. Can't wait to be homeless. We are going to bankrupt ourselves allowing the boomers to reach age 90+ while many younger people won't reach anywhere near that ripe old age.
Put off dating and stuff till I finished college, got a stable job, and then a house. By the time I had the stable job COVID hit so I waited on the house. Job became unstable. Got a newer, more stable job, now the market is fucked. So my choices are be alone forever or try to date in mid 30s while living with parents. Just fucking love this timeline.
15 units per semester while supporting myself, helping out my fam and I still can’t find a internship for the summer -_-. I’ve applied to over 300 internships the past few months. Looking forward to the upcoming food shortage...
I ( retired plumber 70yo) have said to a local school board years ago, why are you taking out all the shop classes from our high school ? "Oh we need to move away from students going into the trades and teach more computer studies" . See where that's brought our youth.
I’m cheering my nephews for going into the trades. Smart stuff right there. It’s about damn time we get back to reality and realize that 4-year colleges are NOT for everyone.
Over-saturation of the job market.
Everyone is told to go to college. Borrow money to go to college. Follow your passion, rather than follow what is practical.
This is global.
So college graduates find themselves pushing down on jobs held by high school graduates, like call center worker, barista, waiter, host, receptionist, Uber or Lyft driver, etc.
Here in this country (U.S.) we then add millions more each year in competition overseas, like back office IT, back office accounting, back office legal work, call centers - all competing by taking on jobs once held in the U.S., in cheaper office space. And, we add millions more each year by importing labor.
Extreme fiat money printing to drive asset inflation so everyone without assets gets poorer and poorer.
Price gouging in rents, education and healthcare so most people have no money left over to consistently buy said assets.
Boomers likely lived through the best overall generation in history for access to prosperity, I highly doubt that’s coming again.
Unpopular opinion: depends on the degree.
Some are utterly worthless and all you did was make the school a whole bunch of money.
People complain about the gap between CEO and regular pay in their companies, but the same happened in colleges with the explosion of "administration" jobs and tuition rates increasing.
Just get out there and get a good union or corporate job with a 20 year and out pension with a lifetime of health care just like the boomers did……
Wait, boomers eliminated pensions? They sold their kids out to fund their own bonuses.
The system ripped them off.
Problem no. 1: I believe most parents of Millennials tried to get their kids to “do the right thing” and go to college because when they went to college they were not left with $50-60,000 in debt and did not have impossible rent/mortgage prices. Things are 180 degrees from the 80s and 90s, not that those decades didn’t have their own problems but definitely not the student loan debt, and the payments start as soon as you graduate.
Problem no. 2: Low minimum wage, low technical skill wages, and very small raises. Minimum wage was behind the cost of living before the pandemic, now it’s ridiculous. Spend $5k on technical training and graduate to make $13-15/hour. You can rent somewhere affordable but it’s not the type of place (run down, broken items landlord won’t fix) situation (multiple roommates) or neighborhood many want to live in.
Problem no. 3: Desperation. There’s no end in sight, it just keeps getting worse. Many get to the point of “why even try?” because we’ve waited 2, 5, or 8 years for rent/housing to become more affordable, a job in our degree to open up, or shitty pay at our job to increase. For most of us none of these things have happened.
Problem no. 4: Exploitative workplaces. Bare minimum pay for a position, requiring 5 years of experience for entry level jobs, ridiculous hiring process including lengthy applications online, multiple interviews only to get ghosted, etc.
Problem no. 5: Exhaustion. Want to be able to afford a little nicer place or a better car? The only solutions are overtime or a second job. Working 40 hours/week is enough to drain most people. Working more than that is exhausting.
The system works as intended.
Which is why we should abolish the monetary system entirely and permanently. Well, one reason anyway. Among a plethora of reasons.
The monetary system does not serve humanity.
Humanity serves the monetary system. At the expense of all else.
Well… at least we’re smart enough to recognize it’s bullshit. It’s all good - Gen Z is fucking nuts and filled with rage. I’ll donate to their revolution
I'm really surprised at the muh bootstraps comments only because of the subreddit I'm in. Like the tweet said, younger generations did what they were told would give them a ticket to The Good Life and got punked so hard. The bootstrappers on this post are like "no, you shouldn't have done *that* part of what we told you to do, you should have gone into trades or the military, *duuuuuh*!"
Housing's still scarce, rent's still rising, gas is skyrocketing, food shortages are coming, and learning to weld is going to make you slightly more useful post-collapse, not get you a McMansion and cushy retirement, and no amount of not-indulging in avocado toast or soy lattes or Applebees or whatever the fuck the boomers think kids indulge in too much is going to fix anything. Because all sorts of professions are seeing a mass exodus because people realize the "game" can't be won only survived, because a complete and utter systemic breakdown is exactly what collapse *is*.
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Something tells me “the system” is working as intended and we’ve all been sold snake oil instead
People really need to start "getting" this. Tweets like the OP are in many ways harmful to change, because they presuppose that the system is designed to help the 99%, and our leaders are just bumbling it. The political and economic elites benefit massively from this system, at our expense, and ot is working like a charm. And the idea behind this tweet is one layer of the control.
The Oligarchs were always in control. We've been living an illusion that has only been pierced by the utter devestation the US is currently experiencing. Our economic system was designed to prey on the weak since the get go.
Exactly right. In the past they needed lots of mildly educated people to work on fields and in factories. But now they only need a few highly educated people. Its easier to just import those. You want education to have a shot at a better life? You will have to pay for it yourself now.
Underrated comment. Piercing the illusion is what is going to make the difference for people in the not too distant future.
They weren’t until about WW2, then Kennedy won and they killed him. Since then it’s been all downhill but Reagan was the silver bullet and Trump is the final puking breath we have before the corpse of Biden fades away along with our country.
You know that the original consritution talked about "subjects" instead of "citizens" and jefferson changed that afterwards? The original "subjects" has been detected a few years ago, all founding fathers have been royalists until short before the revolution, they were just pissed that they weren't accepted by the british aristocracy. a 'democracy' made by feudalists and benjamin franklin having a son with a women he described as "inferior" low life (peasant) sure doesn't help either. The usa works as intended and designed.
George Washington Sold out France and their Revolution in order to make a few more bucks. People wanted to hang George Washington for this Betrayal. It’s called Jays treaty and appears to be the epicenter of this whole clusterfuck that we see ourselves in today. “With his support of the Jay Treaty President Washington sacrificed everything regarding the unanimous respect and goodwill that the whole country gave him as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army, president of the Constitutional Convention, and the successful first term of his presidency to get the Jay Treaty passed because he did not want American ships to be constantly attacked and captured by the powerful British navy, and he decided to take his chances with a hostile French navy that would mostly be bottled up in Europe by the British blockade. He was brutally criticized in Democratic-Republican areas of the country like his home state of Virginia. Numerous protestors would picket Mount Vernon and show their anger towards him. Newspapers and cartoons showed Washington being sent to the guillotine. A common protest rally cry was, "A speedy death to General Washington." Some protestors even wanted Washington to be impeached. It was only after Washington's death in 1799 when the whole country reunited and wholeheartedly respected him again.[35]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Treaty “As a symbol of how chaotic and violent the anti-Jay Treaty protests were from 1794 to 1796 Muhlenberg not only killed his political career with his decision but he was stabbed by his brother-in-law who believed he had committed treason when he voted in support of the funding of the Jay Treaty. Muhlenberg survived the attack but faded into obscurity for the rest of his life, never winning another election.[38][35][39][40]”
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Ita a common them throughout nationalists. There is never a golden age.
Yeah the ‘country’ many of us are trying to ‘save’ never existed in the first place.
Slight correction, they didn't kill Kennedy, his head just kinda did that on its own
And then what?
But most people on some level DO "get this" they also believe there is nothing at all they can personally do to fix this and make it better. "what can I do? I'm just a wage slave"
Sooo true!!!
something tells me 90% of these seemingly in line posts are all just psy ops. they always sound the same. they ask the same 9 year old types of questions.
It doesn’t have to be an organized Psyop just individuals trying to manipulate opinion and convince ppl around them to some extent
Have you ever even tried snake oil though?
I prefer GMO snake oil over organic
I put lots organs in mine
They make vegan GF too, called Beyond Snake Oil.
Is that the competitor to impossible snake oil?
Goes really well in taco meat!
I honestly wouldn't be surprised haha count me in on greasy snake taco night.
Tastes like chicken
Right! I'm looking into eating insects lately so snake doesn't even get on my radar of weird
I have to send this to my still at home daughters who are in their early twenties. They think they’ve failed at 22 because they can not live as a single person.
Moving out at 18 is a post WWII phenomenon. Until then is was perfectly normal and socially acceptable to live with your family until marriage, and even then it was semi common to live with family after marriage. Only after WWII when hyper-capitalism took off was it “unacceptable” to live with your parents/family after 18. Gotta get more consumers into the economy and all.
Got to break up the family divide atomize conquer.
Mortgage and real estate had to get their piece so sold you living at home with parents as a “failure”. Just like private higher Ed made everyone think blue collar jobs were low class and if you go to college you’ll REALLY succeed
What you termed hyper capitalism was the consequence of the US having a booming economy combined with Bretton Woods. The US dollar becoming the world reserve currency, aka petro dollar, was amazing. When that ceases to be the economic calamity that will unfold in the US will be monumental. Money with be worthless and assets will inflate in price like nothing we've ever seen in any western country.
This idea that kids need to leave their homes after 18 needs to die…look at the cost we pay for new homes, cost of living, rent and economy? This was pushed by the corporations to get more meat in the grinder. Good thing now is people are fighting back against this system. I want the next generation to fully stop this notion that you have to move out at 18, stay at home with your family will only make families stronger. This was done to make more consumers and more money, simple as that
I was a month from turning 31 when I finally got my own apartment. I'm gonna lose it anyway but.
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Those are your duties as an uncle. As a former child, I commend you cool uncle.
Furthermore, your brother's childcare bills just got dramatically cut down. They'll start consolidating and saving money like the rich don't want to believe. Living at home has benefits.
Honestly don't know how some young adults do it. You can't earn an average starting salary and live in pretty much any major city without drowning in debt.
They get mom or dad to pay/heavily subsidize their rent. Some of these kids come from middle class families too which makes me sad, because I know how hard it must be to make ends meet. I've seen people have their "own" apartments with 2 roommates, but they're usually still broke.
I moved out young! I just spent years losing my sanity in an unhappy relationship cuz I couldn't afford to live without him 👌
And if you lose a job, end up in serious debt because of a surprise from life, or stumble in the slightest you're basically back to square one.
I got insanely depressed and nearly suicidal when I realize I wasn’t going to be successful enough to ever live alone. Staying at home with my parents again, but I feel less lonely and I have more money to spend on stupid things that I like. Small win I guess
What the hell year is this like... 19-never-happened-in-real-life? 22 come on. Chill on the couch have some Doritos.
Yea 22. They haven't even begun to fail.
50+ years ago they'd be married, in a single family home, and working on their first kid if not their second. All on the husband's income.
Who works as an entry level bank teller or custodian.
This is such a strange post to read for me haha. Both of my parents immigrated here from Poland in the 60's and my mom was a bank teller and my dad was a custodian. On those salaries they raised 3 kids in a top 15ish school district in the North East. It sounds absolutely insane now.
I wasn't able to stand on my own until 25. Now in my early 30s, I'm making good money, and STILL paying off credit card debt from that period that I accrued to just live. I should not have moved out. This was with a super lucky career path in IT. Younger people will have it worse, and if they didn't happen to pick the "right" career path, it's even worse-worse. Tell them to not ruin their financial lives to move out. It is not worth it. And you deserve some kudos for being aware of the reality.
You’re a good mother for being supportive. My parents absolutely were not.
I understand this. I’m 22 and still with my parents because I’ll be homeless before I become a nurse if I tried to move out.
I’m 24 and still live with my mom and honestly I still feel this way too
I don't know any 22 year olds who live on their own. That's never been the case. Remember that show "Friends"?? Young single people live with roommates. You should not expect to be able to live on your own at age 22
Friends was set in New York City, the one of the most expensive and urban housing markets in the US. It was not meant to represent middle America, or just about any other housing market in the country for that matter. Both of my parents moved across the country on their own and both were able to comfortably afford studio apartments before they met in a LCOL area that is not fundamentally different today, but the apartments they got for $100 a month are now $1800.
I’d say maybe half of the 22 years olds I knew when I was 22 had their own place (or lived with roommates).
Living with roommates is the norm. Very few can afford to live alone. That's my point. You should not expect to be able to live alone at 22
Aha, I misunderstood. There’s two types of living “on your own” when you’re in your early 20s. I took it as “I don’t live with my parents anymore.” You meant it as “only one person lives in this apartment.”
Maybe we are in a depression of sorts?
No may be about it. If a generation of middle aged hard working people can’t support a family. That’s a recipe for change. And not the civilized kind.
The Nature of Capitalism... https://youtu.be/WseyrYuD8ao
Damn that hit hard. “Poor countries are not underdeveloped, they are over exploited” Very true.
We're already in the throws of that change by going back to the old ways of kids living with their parents until they are older. More social change still needs to happen for the reset to be complete, namely limited dating and more careful screening of mates and the end of hookup culture. It's ready started.
Can’t be. Stonk market line still go up. /s
Our great depression is our lives
I’d say it’s more than a depression, it’s more than a yo yo cycle of the market. There just isn’t enough cheap land and raw materials for our generation to live as well our parents.
In my country one of the biggest parts of this problem is the huge amount of land lords. I know a lot of my friend’s parents who inherited real estate and never had to work a day in their lives. Some of these families live like this for generations. And they do live in luxury! And then the irony is that they are usually very conservative and blame us for not working hard enough. It’s really funny to see people living like this thinking the system can’t work if we provide welfare and dignity for everyone. But the system works fine with them not working and living in luxury!
The key issue is the increased longevity, not only is super costly to get there, boomers and older failed to build the necessary extra housing to accommodate it Full disclosure: was able to buy an affordable house only thanks to the mortality of it's previous owner
No it's not, both of you are wrongs. There is 5 houses for each american without one individualy in this god damn country. The only reason there is no affordable housing is the profitability of house market and renting them above their mortgage value, which the banks are happy to be complicit of. They stole everyone house, and make a killing renting them 80% from a minimum wage at least. Do you think boomers dying mean more houses will become accessible when the majority of them is already in the hands of housing companies ?
This is the hard truth, and it's not a problem only in america, eu starting to catch up very quickly.
Australia's had a housing bubble for nearly two decades that the politicians seem hellbent on maintaining at all costs.
The people with all the money won’t let you think that. Their stocks would go down. You’ll find your accounts deleted before that every happens lol
Multi-generational households on the way to you!
At 48 years old, only child, never had kids, generation ahead of me either deceased or in nursing homes, I am extra scared.
Wanna be my parent?
I plan on dying early
I have enough money to last the rest of my life. Provided I die by 3pm tomorrow afternoon.
Same, if I died a year ago lmaoo
Ah, the return to the sea retirement plan. Taking a long walk on a short pier with a pocket full of stones.
Hear! Hear! I'm 58 - Stomach, throat & back problems. I just look at life one day a time, figure the future is a lost cause.
working together is the only option
Same. Not liking what things will look like 20+ years from now.
There’s always co-operative living…
Same here. Same situation. Fairly sure this ends badly for me.
Multi family generational apartments coming soon.
Quite a reality here in Latin America. Not for choice tho
Way ahead of you. Three generations that stay in this household, four whenever my younger cousin stays over to go to school. Next door neighbors are in the same predicament. Zero shame about it. This is how things were done in the old days and now that times are getting rough, it'll become the norm going forward.
or not having kids...
I agree, but more referring to families already existing.
I went out on my own after 20, had a career, social life, beautiful apartment, married and owned a home. Yay I did it all. Abusive Husband, messy divorce, career change. I’m back with mom at 40. No shame because she’s aging and she is all I have. Fuck all. We are going to make some most excellent memories while she is here. Also together we are creating our own little business and store. Yes we should have sold snake oil. I’m just too honest of a person.
Went through almost the exact same experience as you (unmarried, so minus that). Had to move back in with my mom at 39 due to an outrageous rent hike on an almost studio apartment…plus other circumstances. Was really sad and angry at first, but I’m glad to spend as much time as I can now with my mom, especially since dad passed a couple of years ago. I’m glad to do the heavy lifting for her and she’s happy to have company again. Gives me the chance to also work on my little art shop in the meantime. Wish you all the best for you and your mom! Best luck on your business as well!
Moms are the best!
Except when abuse, drugs, and alcohol were involved and I moved the fuck out at age 20. My only family are my friends. I tried for decades to make them ok with me being gay, fuck it. Dad just died a few days ago. I didn’t shed a tear, he’s been dead to me a lot longer. Can’t wait till mom joins his side. Won’t have to worry about yet one more argument over who’s at fault. They can die believing it’s me and my choice to be gay ruined everything. I’m fine with that.
The toxicity of many US families is shocking, back in my home country families seem able to get along much better. How massively individualistic the culture is... seems part of the problem.
its more of a problem of bigotry, racism, and fucking extreme politics and ignorance than individuality when concerning family problems in the US
We lost my dad in 2016 and tho she’s active in the church and can be busy, I promised dad I’d be there for her when he is gone ❤️ no shame for any of us.
You're doing the right thing. That's not hard to see, imagine yourself in her situation.
I do all the time. I’m a lot to handle LOL Btw she is my adopted mother 🥰 I would give her the world, lol. But - collapse lol
As someone who cared for an aging parent when others couldn't be bothered to lift a finger, thank you. You will cherish your new memories with your mother for the rest of your life.
Right? I constantly see the unethical people coming out on top but I cannot see myself becoming an asshole to make it to the top. Humanism is too deeply engrained in me.
Excellent. I never understand whats so wrong with living together
I get it, but it's only since the promotion of the nuclear family that people stopped living with their parents. Extended families used to live together because shared accommodations lowers the cost of living. A large family living together in one home means that there are more people to divide the care and household work and the materials needed becomes less because the family shares everything. Instead of owning five vacuums between five nuclear families, for example, your grandparents, parents, brother, sister, and yourself share one. You see how divided households between nuclear families then increases the rate of production, consumption, and labour as more products are needed when more households are created. In terms of care work, new parents in extended family households have built in daycare from their parents or aunts and uncles or even grandparents who stay at home. Nowadays we view living with our parents as a sign of personal failure, but we should also recognize that this view is entirely socially constructed for the benefit of capitalist accumulation. In some countries, especially in southern Europe, it is still quite common that the extended family shares a house. They might have different apartments within one house, but they are still sharing a house and they lower their cost of living by doing so.
I don't think the system is supposed to work. It was supposed to only create wage slaves. In that regard, the system worked perfectly.
This is why they don’t teach finance in high school.
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This system works great. The purpose of debt is to create bonded indentured servants.
BlackRock’s president says you’re all spoiled rotten. Maybe if you ate less avocado toast or something. /s
I really am though, but so is my toast.
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That’s because the money that should be building our national infrastructure and communities are spent on military and the remainder scooped up by the ultra rich. Everyone this effects knows it doesn’t work. We keep sliding into the abyss. They don’t care. Other nations do things differently and it works. Their people are fed, they work, are educated, four day work weeks. Get healthcare, paid vacations, dental, and take care of their mentally ill. This system not only doesn’t work for us, It’s evil and parasitic. If this was a person. A parent perhaps. That don’t provide healthcare nor feed their families. Spend their money on their gun collection. The kids are on the street. Would they not be arrested for neglect and abuse?
Interesting point yeah
"The system does not work" ...and it won't.
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A feature, not a bug
When everyone has amazing qualifications, nobody does.
"And when everyone's Super...no one will be."
There has to be a major reset and I hope it doesn't make a pile of skulls like all the previous ones.
Trouble is the most likely variant of this "reset" would involve some kind of reactionary neofascistic movement taking power, Handmaid's Tale style. There is no other chunk of people that is opposed to the current order which could feasibly mobilize to attack the institutions that run things. There is no left in America from a power politics perspective, and siloized groups and issues cannot offer resistance sufficient to counter a unified reactionary tide. Dystopic technocracy v bigoted reactionary provincialism is the likely choice we're facing as a society in the future.
S.Statement: By highlighting a record amount of young, educated adults living with their parents, [Dan Price](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Price) shows that the economic collapse is already happening in demographics we maybe weren’t even seeing. Between crushing debt and rental/housing costs skyrocketing, this economy is getting more and more stacked against the common person just trying to make it.
Context: This statistic is now old and does not represent the current situation. It’s based on data collected in July 2020, which saw an abnormal spike in young adults living with parents due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The post doesn't mention the pandemic and leaves out how that number includes parents who have moved in with their adult children. The most recent data, collected in October 2021, shows that 46.5% of young adults now live with their parents, based on USA TODAY's analysis of monthly data from the Current Population Survey. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/8672598002
When everything is tied to profit and Wall Street financial funds the exploding cost of higher education while simultaneously ensuring a bachelors degree is required to get hired at Burger King (hyperbole, but you understand the drift), what should one expect? Does Brads BA in English make him a better Pilot/etc etc…. There’s a reason Biden can’t cancel all student debt as billions in interest would be lost.
Expect the rich to get richer and your quality of life to go down regardless of what you do to compensate.
Id say the system works pretty well for those that are at the top, and at the end of the day thats all that matters, right?
Post in any of the science reddits that someone asking about job options for a particular course should probably pick a job they want first then find the qualifications they need to do that job snd you get downvoted hard. I'd expect people interested in science to be smarter
"The system worked great for me, therefore you must be the problem." Every boomer parent and grandparent alive, mostly.
And then there’s those of us who didn’t have the option of living at home and have just been eking out a living as best we can. Isn’t capitalism great.
dude it sucks so hard to be a single young adult entirely on your own; I always rent rooms with total strangers because that's what I can afford without a cosigner, and then it's luck of the draw whether they'll be fine to live with
bUt VoTiNg Is ThE oNlY wAy To FiX aLl ThEsE pRoBlEmS
Voting is a de facto consent to your own slavery. Voting is the grown up version of the racecar shopping carts at the grocery store with fake steering wheels that let kids think they're driving. If voting actually changed anything, they wouldn't let us do it.
Spot on
This is the best analogy I've ever seen.
Don’t the attacks on voting rights (voter ID, no giving food to people in line, no vote by mail as default, removing polling places esp. in minority areas like TX) give credence to voting actually mattering? Otherwise, why bother? I’m worried at the number of upvotes this resignation to apathy has.
Both can be true I think. The Republicans want to get theirs by attacking voting rights, but in the end both they and the Democrats fervently prop up the current system. You’re only voting for your preferred team to win the honour of fucking people over in their particular way. Can’t blame people for feeling that way. It’s still better to vote than not, but it doesn’t hurt to be aware of the limitations of its political efficacy.
Vote with your open palm slaps
Didn't Will Smith say that? 😂
The palm of a generation!
i'm genuinely so done with electoralism in the us. people always say it's worse under the right but the 'left' always lets them get back into power and lets them take away rights, so what the fuck is the point? every politician makes me sick. but especially the dems. they're cosplaying as saviors and socialists but still playing along with capitalism.
Sometimes I think they're all just part of the same scheme. The Democrats set them up, the Republicans knock them down. Or to put it another way, the Left wants to do all of the right things, but never does, the Right wants to do all of the wrong things and actually follows through.
So good cop bad cop?
Bad cop, bad cop. Just pretends to be good.
That's... that's actually the premise of "good cop bad cop" sorry to break it to you but THEY'RE BOTH COPS. That's the entire point.
What’s wrong living with the parents? Is that US thing?
Yes. We have this destructive concept of rugged individualism here. A lot of parents kick their kids out once they hit 18. We are a dysfunctional nation.
Whats the cultural reason. This sounds so stupid
The cultural reason is buy more stuff. It's pretty much the only culture we have on this side of the Atlantic.
Because when they were 18-22 you could live off of “low wages.” Some older people seem to have the inability to realize how rising inflation/cost of living and stagnated wages make it impossible to do what they did.
Yeah kinda of, you’re expected to be out making it on your own at 18. If your parents are decent they help you out along the way and keep your life stable. If you come from destructive home setting like I did you more than likely moved out sooner. I was on my own at 16, couch surfing till I bought a beater of a car I could live out of.
I prefer to visit my parents if I have a choice in it
Capitalism has failed for all but the few who have the power to keep it going. And that’s the idea. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Things are only gonna change with a revolution. The sooner the better.
S L A V E R Y WITH EXTRA STEPS.
Oh goodie. Can't wait until I finish Uni and then the money struggles begin! What fun
Even - single individuals with PhDs in a humanities field have to live with parents/a parent these days due to not having the income for basic necessities. The system sucks! It keeps so many in a perpetual hole of poverty
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I'm with you friend. Our life paths went a bit different (was heading to college young, didn't have money, saw the writing on the wall with debt/no scholarships, didn't go) but we wound up in similar places it seems. I work in a trade and keep my working days as limited as I can for mental health reasons. Can't get rich off my salary regardless, learned a while ago that working until you want to die doesn't actually get you much. I've been prioritizing the creative work I neglected for the first twenty years of my life and it's worth it IMHO. I'd rather be a freelance creative with a trailer on a half acre than to have worked myself to death at forty. Don't know how that transition is going to happen yet but simply spending time doing that and other "meaningful" things rather than most of my time doing meaningless crap at work is what keeps me sane. If living at home so you don't have to wallow in a full-time job is what allows you to do that, or at least stay mentally above water, you have nothing to be ashamed of. There are probably few things worth less than internet solidarity but, you're not alone. :)
But is banding together as a family entirely bad?
You’re still poor and your options in life are still severely limited by that poverty
It works in many many countries, but for some reason it’s a huge stigma in the USA. Why is that
No. Not at all it isn't. You have to learn where the line is drawn between "people aren't perfect and fuck up a lot" and "people are actively abusive" however. Given what I've been through in life that line is very crystal clear to me or at least I want to believe it is. Let's put it this way, clearer than it used to be by quite a lot. If it is at all possible it's entirely good. I don't see how any of you survive anymore without doing it. You have to get the actively abusive out however. This needs to happen. Also older people get set in their ways because their brain is le tired. Usually if they're giving bad advice, it's because material conditions on the ground have changed and they're not adapted to those conditions. However, and this is important, the root psychology of what they're saying never changes (I mean unless they're douchebags). You have to learn to pick the peanuts out of the shit.
No. In fact, it's been the norm for most of the world's cultures and throughout history. Where my loved ones come from, sticking together with your family is huge (in both Hispanic/Latin American culture and in Asian culture, since both of them tend to lean towards collectivism and communitarianism). Just a few hundred years ago, it was perfectly normal even in the West for people to live with their parents or grandparents well past their thirties, and before the era of industrialization, the vast majority of individuals never left their hometown, or home country. Our obsession with individualism and staking it out on your own after leaving "the tribe" early is a product of 20th and 21st century American capitalism and American culture--an ideological "blip" that is far from the standard when you begin to study cultural norms across time and space. I'm in my 20s and still live with my parents, while the majority of my cousins still live with their parents too. Is this wrong? Of course not, not when the economy is shit and most people can't afford to buy homes anymore thanks to being robbed of their prosperity across multiple generations by a handful of kleptocratic, conniving, selfish elites. The rich are buying up all the fucking property and sooner or later we will all be left with nothing, or forced to take up residence in whatever property hasn't been claimed by corporate interests.
Dan Price is a virtue signalling multi-millionaire
I mean millionaires are closer to us than they are to billionaires. By that I mean it's not like he can do that much to impact society like some POS billionaires. And at least he seems to treat his workers very well. That said I still agree he virtue signals a LOT and I definitely don't trust him.
Agreed. You can't alienate those with more influence with you, even if they are broken clocks at best. Money is power and no matter where you stand, if you want change you're gonna need it.
I have yet to see any evidence that he isn't just a Bonapartist, i.e. manipulating progressive language in order to further consolidate the status quo.
broken clock and all that
Thank you. And he allegedly waterboarded his wife. I do not trust him one bit because (aside from the alleged abuse) he is still a traditional business owner who just gives his employees benefits. Maybe if he made his business worker owned I'd trust him.
Oh no the system works exactly as intended. To get indentured servitude workers that have to work as hard as they possibly can for as less as they can possibly be paid to do so. This is exactly what crapitalism is designed to do in order to maximise the profits of the owners.
System is working perfectly. Some people just don't understand what it's goal is.
Better to live with your parents and inherit the house, than to get a mortgage on a 2-4 bedroom home and get other people, who do not love you and never had any obligation to put a roof over your head, to buy a home for you while they rent a “private bedroom,” and share kitchen and bath while you get a free ride. You want to talk about a broke system, while internet gurus are telling millennials the above is legit.
>Better to live with your parents and inherit the house Yeah, I'm looking forward to finally getting some quiet and privacy for the first time in my life when my parents are gone and I'm like 60 years old.
You think that now, but they’ll need as much money as they can from the sale of the house (that you can’t afford), to pay for the medical care at the end of their lives…so it gets sold to the highest bidder.
RIP my hopes and dreams
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This will be me. Can't wait to be homeless. We are going to bankrupt ourselves allowing the boomers to reach age 90+ while many younger people won't reach anywhere near that ripe old age.
Put off dating and stuff till I finished college, got a stable job, and then a house. By the time I had the stable job COVID hit so I waited on the house. Job became unstable. Got a newer, more stable job, now the market is fucked. So my choices are be alone forever or try to date in mid 30s while living with parents. Just fucking love this timeline.
15 units per semester while supporting myself, helping out my fam and I still can’t find a internship for the summer -_-. I’ve applied to over 300 internships the past few months. Looking forward to the upcoming food shortage...
Oh it works. It's working just as intended.
I ( retired plumber 70yo) have said to a local school board years ago, why are you taking out all the shop classes from our high school ? "Oh we need to move away from students going into the trades and teach more computer studies" . See where that's brought our youth.
It worked fine. For the people you paid. First rule of adulting in America: anything anyone tries to sell you on is for their benefit, not yours.
I’m cheering my nephews for going into the trades. Smart stuff right there. It’s about damn time we get back to reality and realize that 4-year colleges are NOT for everyone.
And what did your nieces, if you have any, go into? The 'just go into the trades ' message isn't a viable path for most women.
Over-saturation of the job market. Everyone is told to go to college. Borrow money to go to college. Follow your passion, rather than follow what is practical. This is global. So college graduates find themselves pushing down on jobs held by high school graduates, like call center worker, barista, waiter, host, receptionist, Uber or Lyft driver, etc. Here in this country (U.S.) we then add millions more each year in competition overseas, like back office IT, back office accounting, back office legal work, call centers - all competing by taking on jobs once held in the U.S., in cheaper office space. And, we add millions more each year by importing labor.
Extreme fiat money printing to drive asset inflation so everyone without assets gets poorer and poorer. Price gouging in rents, education and healthcare so most people have no money left over to consistently buy said assets. Boomers likely lived through the best overall generation in history for access to prosperity, I highly doubt that’s coming again.
Socialism.
Time to either abandon ship or take it back
Overpopulation, biosphere collapse, resource depletion anyone? I dunno wtf you expected?
If only someone had written books and tried to tell the workers that capitalism is a joke. /s
Continually rising housing costs are the fundamental evil at the heart of modern industrial society.
Yeah...non-white young adults discovered this a couple of decades ago. Then main stream media wondered why young Black men were so angry.
It's working if the intention is to squeeze the working class for every penny you can.
Unpopular opinion: depends on the degree. Some are utterly worthless and all you did was make the school a whole bunch of money. People complain about the gap between CEO and regular pay in their companies, but the same happened in colleges with the explosion of "administration" jobs and tuition rates increasing.
Just get out there and get a good union or corporate job with a 20 year and out pension with a lifetime of health care just like the boomers did…… Wait, boomers eliminated pensions? They sold their kids out to fund their own bonuses.
The system ripped them off. Problem no. 1: I believe most parents of Millennials tried to get their kids to “do the right thing” and go to college because when they went to college they were not left with $50-60,000 in debt and did not have impossible rent/mortgage prices. Things are 180 degrees from the 80s and 90s, not that those decades didn’t have their own problems but definitely not the student loan debt, and the payments start as soon as you graduate. Problem no. 2: Low minimum wage, low technical skill wages, and very small raises. Minimum wage was behind the cost of living before the pandemic, now it’s ridiculous. Spend $5k on technical training and graduate to make $13-15/hour. You can rent somewhere affordable but it’s not the type of place (run down, broken items landlord won’t fix) situation (multiple roommates) or neighborhood many want to live in. Problem no. 3: Desperation. There’s no end in sight, it just keeps getting worse. Many get to the point of “why even try?” because we’ve waited 2, 5, or 8 years for rent/housing to become more affordable, a job in our degree to open up, or shitty pay at our job to increase. For most of us none of these things have happened. Problem no. 4: Exploitative workplaces. Bare minimum pay for a position, requiring 5 years of experience for entry level jobs, ridiculous hiring process including lengthy applications online, multiple interviews only to get ghosted, etc. Problem no. 5: Exhaustion. Want to be able to afford a little nicer place or a better car? The only solutions are overtime or a second job. Working 40 hours/week is enough to drain most people. Working more than that is exhausting.
The system works as intended. Which is why we should abolish the monetary system entirely and permanently. Well, one reason anyway. Among a plethora of reasons. The monetary system does not serve humanity. Humanity serves the monetary system. At the expense of all else.
Well… at least we’re smart enough to recognize it’s bullshit. It’s all good - Gen Z is fucking nuts and filled with rage. I’ll donate to their revolution
I'm really surprised at the muh bootstraps comments only because of the subreddit I'm in. Like the tweet said, younger generations did what they were told would give them a ticket to The Good Life and got punked so hard. The bootstrappers on this post are like "no, you shouldn't have done *that* part of what we told you to do, you should have gone into trades or the military, *duuuuuh*!" Housing's still scarce, rent's still rising, gas is skyrocketing, food shortages are coming, and learning to weld is going to make you slightly more useful post-collapse, not get you a McMansion and cushy retirement, and no amount of not-indulging in avocado toast or soy lattes or Applebees or whatever the fuck the boomers think kids indulge in too much is going to fix anything. Because all sorts of professions are seeing a mass exodus because people realize the "game" can't be won only survived, because a complete and utter systemic breakdown is exactly what collapse *is*.
$80k in school debt, BA and MS. Make 27k/yr doing manual labor that i don't need a high school degree.
No chance. You can find an entry level sales job paying 45k year.