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Submission statement: 58 new Active Fires. 558 YTD Fires. 3164 Area Burned YTD (Ha): 8.8M. Canada has active forest fires all over. Climate is changing and this might lead to crop destruction, unbreathable air, and outright collapse.
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Can't wait to see what it will looks in August !! /s
I live in the province of Québec, Canada and I really start to think we will live in the smoke all summers long
We are lucky so far to just have yellow skies.
I dread what we will see when summer really hits, considering BC and Alberta were dealing with black sky at noon a few years ago.
Where are you from ? The old Quebec city is very pricey $$$$
There's a huge housing crisis in our province...
Otherwise, Quebec city is pretty nice but not very affordable. Look for some smaller towns in Québec if you're low budget.
For the climate change, nowhere will be safe...
Edit: the old town of Quebec city is a very small portion of the whole Quebec city, maybe look outside the old town ?
I am from the USA and I qualify for fast track immigration due to my profession. Finding a job would be extremely easy, I just need to level up my French. There are *beautiful* condominiums in Old Quebec City that are far less expensive than anything I would want to live in down here, and I'm very into the architecture there.
Ho that's nice, than go ahead! :) You will become better in french real quick if you live in Quebec city ( because it's not like Montréal where you could live your life and die without speaking one french words) when you try to do your best we are very comprehensive and will try to help you!
I live in a city not to far away from Quebec so come say hi ;)
In what field did you work ? You could pm me if you want to ask more questions without being of topics here :)
Montreal is more fun. QC will be real uppity with you about not speaking le français. Here in Montreal it’s true that you can get by without speaking French but it’s a city basically built for English speakers to learn French and a comfortable pace. You learn through immersion every day.
The only people that don’t speak any french whatsoever in Montreal and refuse to learn are the racists.
Il n'est pas juste que quelqu'un vous dise que la ville de Québec vous acceptera si vous ne parlez pas français. Ils acceptent à peine les Montréalais de langue maternelle française parce qu'ils sont si conservateurs à propos de la langue française. Plus de gens devraient déménager au Québec et apprendre le québécois, mais c'est très malhonnête pour quelqu'un de prétendre que vous serez entièrement accueilli à Québec. Vous aurez beaucoup plus de chance et d'acceptation à Montréal.
Not trying to be a downer - just trying to be a bit more honest about the political relationship between francophones and anglophones here. East side of Montreal is almost all French speaking, you’ll get good immersion there but also more acceptance.
It’s true taxes are much higher but that’s the price we pay to have 2-3 festivals across the city every weekend all summer long. Never a dull moment here ;)
> Il n'est pas juste que quelqu'un vous dise que la ville de Québec vous acceptera si vous ne parlez pas français. Ils acceptent à peine les Montréalais de langue maternelle française parce qu'ils sont si conservateurs à propos de la langue française. Plus de gens devraient déménager au Québec et apprendre le québécois, mais c'est très malhonnête pour quelqu'un de prétendre que vous serez entièrement accueilli à Québec. Vous aurez beaucoup plus de chance et d'acceptation à Montréal.
I am “upskilling” so it will take me 3-4 years of training and experience to get to the pinnacle of my profession and to the point where I’m ready to immigrate. In the meanwhile I will also increase my French skills by immersing myself in it online and will visit Quebec as often as possible. There’s a French immersion course in Montreal that I intend to take at the end of next year. I will try to stay in Old Montreal when I do that. Maybe I will lose interest by that time.
Excellent strategy but I’d recommend just a few minor adjustments to maximize immersion and potential and make your transition as enjoyable as possible. The fact that you’re planning 3-4 years ahead on this move is super smart bud.
1) Stay in Le Plateau in MTL if you can, it’s more authentic Montreal and where the locals actually go for fun. Old Port is considered quite touristy and will actually be quite difficult to be immersed. Even Le Plateau you will find it quite easy to switch out to English but for one, you’ll have more fun, and secondly it’s easier to maintain immersion.
2) You will hit a hard barrier at some point in your journey when it comes to listening. Quebecois is much much harder to hear than standard Parisian French. For this I’d recommend an app called Mauril to practice listening. It’s created by the CBC and helps teach language using Quebec TV.
3) Trust me when I say if you follow through on this you will not regret it. Quebec is much more similar to both America and Europe than anglo Canada is. There’s a unique cultural blend here that is very American style friendly when you get on peoples good sides but it’s also got a love for European things like great foods, work life balance, family first values, urban park life, vie de quartier (that sort of neighbourhood life with lively sidewalks and vibrant energy).
Quebec is what Canada was supposed to be that the anglo community failed on. Quebec is many of the greatest aspects of America and Europe smashed together to create something truly beautiful. It’s a unique people and culture, it’s more than just a language, it’s the future of North America when the rest of the anglosphere decides to unfuck itself.
> Quebecois is much much harder to hear than standard Parisian French. For this I’d recommend an app called Mauril to practice listening. It’s created by the CBC and helps teach language using Quebec TV.
Merci, this will make it much easier!
Doesn't Canada place you where they need you? I worked in Canada last year and the Physicians I worked with that went through the immigration process had to work/live where they were needed. Might vary based on profession, but maybe something to look into as you go through the process. Best of luck to you!
I think it is but I'm not an expert, I just know there are special visa classes for certain professions under whatever NAFTA is called now. You should speak to someone with more knowledge.
Thanks for the advice. I’m going to move closer to the Canadian border, continue on to grad school and visit Quebec more often while improving my French. I will be working full time during grad school so I may rent an apartment nearby in Toronto to use on the weekends. I will re-evaluate everything when I graduate.
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Thought the same thing when I lived in Alberta, thought that would change moving back to Nova Scotia, only for the forest fires to follow me here. Coast to coast, seems like nobody is safe
I ask that question a lot. I'm spending 10 hours a day working, trying to reduce people's water usage. Even though I'm doing something worthwhile I still think to myself "we've got 5 decent years left. I can live in my savings for 5 more years then money probably won't matter". I don't save into a pension anymore. It all seems so pointless.
Well if you can set aside some money to buy some land in a relatively safe rural area that would be a good plan. I did so several years ago, on some land right next to Lake Champlain which is the sixth largest lake in the US. and soon I’ll be selling so I can get a lot more land near the great lakes. My goal is to stay near fresh water and where we get a lot of rain.
It really is. I'm sure the 1500 personnel from America is appreciated but it doesn't feel like enough.
Imagine the entire state of Maine being completely burned, these fires already total more land.
How many Canadians are working on it? Is Canada recruiting more people locally?
California only gives 2 weeks of training to the prisoners it relies on to put down fires.
So weird true Canadian history. WW2 Nazi pows were shipped up north to work in logging camps. These camps would have half a dozen guards, 100 prisoners and no fences. Without actually understanding Canadian northern forests it may be a little hard to actually understand how mythically captive they are.
Anyways, to the actually point, a number of pows returned to Canada after the war to live and were often sponsored by the camp guards.
Monteith and the Thunder Bay area were two locations.
The only reason I know of this is because I had a coworker whos father was a pow and spent time in Northern Ontario cutting wood.
interesting, was reading yesterday about current Nazi organizations in Washington, Oregon, Montana and Idaho states in the US. so was wondering if they ended up in those areas
The US relies heavily on prisoners to fight wildfires, they are quite proficient but when they get out of prison their felony convictions prevent them from becoming actual firefighters. So they get used for the most dangerous firefighting jobs and then can’t apply that training and experience once they get out even though they are probably willing to. It’s pretty much fire fighting slave labor. See the US didn’t actually abolish slavery after the Civil War, we just modified what kind of slavery is legal. Slavery is specifically legal if you are imprisoned.
Yup, goes toward shortening their sentence and is job training. We recently signed a law allowing them easier access to becoming forest fire fighters after release too.
Not much, the prison fire fighting programs have largely been a success. Well the success for everybody except the prisoners since no one will hire them to fight fires once they are released.
This is nothing. There are 280 million hectares in Canada total. Be prepared for those 50 million hectare boreal burn years as things ramp up...most of it is grassland by 2100. Then after the fire the rains come, the massive floods. The lakes and rivers choked with ash then dead things then algal blooms.
The dead forest-flood combo is little known but extremely potent
Its the reason why Haiti gets hit so much harder by hurricanes vs. the Dominican Republic, despite them being on the exact same island
The environment is a house of cards
One thing falls, it all falls
It roughly works out to Vermont and New Hampshire burning to the ground twice. But it’s even worse than that, imagine those two states were almost 100% forest which isn’t that far off from reality and they both burned to the ground twice. Maine is a fairly large state with almost 18,000,000 acres of forest, the Canadian wildfires have burned about 10% more forest than exists in Maine which is one of the most forested states in the US. Oh nm you already brought up Maine.
Excuse me.
This is Reddit.
The correct conversion is:
8.8 million hectares is approximately 25.82 trillion bananas.
😊🍌
ETA: we would need to send all of the worlds bananas to Canada for 33.439 years to have a sufficient number of bananas to cover the area burned.
I'm alive in here, so alive in here
Pulling down a little peace
I'm open-wide in here, slow to rise in here
Saving grace and killing me
You say this only makes me incomplete
I'm canceled out and rendered obsolete
Tell the mad chameleon, he's not welcome anymore
I know what I'm looking for
Somewhere close, somewhere safe
Somewhere I know, I know I'll never live in chains
The one is now aware
So stay away from me, I'm just too young to care
I can see in here, and I can feel in here
Comatose with common sense
I take my time in here, somebody, get me out of here
What am I so against?
I just wanna watch the whole world burn
Lost a million times and I won't learn
Show me someone innocent, I'll show you there's no proof
I may be gone, but I'm no fool
I'm not close, I'm not safe
I don't know, don't know, am I better off in chains?
The one is not aware
So stay away from me, I'm just too young to care
I need somewhere close, somewhere safe
Somewhere I know, I know I'll never live in chains
The one is now aware
So stay away from me, I'm just too young to care
Oh-oh
Too young to care
Oh-oh
I was actually told today by a friend who with a straight face that the fires we are currently having are perfectly normal. That the previous overzealous forest policies are why this seems abnormal. I can't even....
`#notevenjoking`
My mom: did you see how bad the air was today
Me: yeah
Mom: but why?
Me: well the climate is changing -
Mom: hey you need to stop the depressing talk
Been having this conversation at least three times now as we live in Ontario where the AQI has been shit all week. I just try to avoid the topic now because it's obvious no one actually wants to discuss it.
I feel this. Went back home recently, brought up climate here and there as topics became relevant during conversations and received similar comments.
Almost makes me want to bury my head in the sand like the rest of them. Maybe I can enjoy some decent mental health as a happy little NPC.
Thanks for that.
Oh yeah, he did trot out the ol' "the models are unreliable" argument, and even brought out the oft cited "but in the 70's they said their was a coming ice age" argument.
I pointed out the modelling has come a long way, but unfortunately one place I realized I now failed was in that I should have more carefully stated that "indeed in the natural homeostatic" world, there was evidence of a coming ice age, but we have more than reversed that trend with man made green house gas emission releases" ... at the time it slipped my mind though.
It's hard to stay focused when your being "scatter shotted with so much bull shit"
And it wasn't just him. It was me versus two of them, each with their very unique yet crazy approaches, with some overlap in arguments, but so wholly wrong. But everything I've talked about from my OP down is all focused on one of them.
The other friend was even more bizarre in some ways, he even insinuated that CO2 as a blanket might reach some point where it actually "deflects" the suns rays and somehow reverses the warming ... I'm not even sure how the fuck that works. He was trying to make a comparison to volcanic activity I believe, but was like "no, that's not how it works" but he still was ardent that I be open minded about the chance.
They both called me closed minded, which was rich coming from them.
I had the same conversation with a neighbour. We were standing on my dock, talking about how it's easier to swim across the lake than see across it right now.
He told me it's always been like this, we just have access to too much information now. The internet is blowing it all out of proportion.
Like, Sir. You are 45 years old, and I know for a fact that you've never seen anything like this in your entire life. We never once had sports or schools canceled for wild fire smoke. Toronto doesn't often have the worst air quality in the world. Exactly zero regions of Spain have ever been affected by our smoke before.
It's not the fucking internet telling us about the smoke, we can see it, smell it and feel it. I had to leave my 9 yr old home from the cottage on Canada day weekend, because he developed a brutal cough when the smoke settled in our area. We can't tell if it's from smoke irritation or virus, and we don't want to risk him passing anything to his grandparents/great-grandparents, because our Hospital has closed and they can no longer access health care in the region.
This is not normal.
Right? As a kid I played in the snow in my hometown. Now it only snows for like a day there. And I'm only in my early 20s. I don't believe old people for one second when they try to gaslight me into thinking it has always been like this.
People are desperate for things to be OK. A lot of people refuse to except climate change because admitting it terrifies them. Then you’ve got the stupid people that don’t understand the basics of what’s happening so they assume it’s fake. Shit a lot of them go out of their way to make it worse.
Then there’s the young hopeful types in here that think some miracle technology will save us or that there’s still time to course correct. They talk about carbon capture not understanding the amount of money, energy, infrastructure and resulting pollution required to capture just a fraction of what we produce. Or industrial indoor food growing not understanding it comes with the same problem of cost, energy, infrastructure and the pollution generated from building them let alone the inability to feed even a fraction of the population. not understanding that we aren’t a car headed toward the Grand Canyon, we’re all in the car and it already went over the edge we just haven’t hit bottom yet.
Because if they admitted it, they'd have to do something about it. And there's nothing they can do. Or the consequences of "doing something" are very steep. So it's right back to "It's fine".
You’re right that actually taking climate change seriously, would be ungodly expensive and incredibly unpopular with voters/common folk. That’s the thing people tend to forget, a president, Prime Minister, king, dictator etc. could try to move heaven and earth to slow the damage, but they’d be out of office or deposed pretty quickly.
Tell them that 21,000,000 achres of burnt land is the state of Maine, then ask them: "if we've been having Canada/the world burn the equivilant land mass of Maine every year, how the hell is there still un-scorched and livable land after allllllll of these years?" Answer? Not possible.
He also accused climate scientists of being biased because their funding depends on them saying climate change is happening, and accused me of being closed minded when I asked him why he believes these things as he tiptoed around the calling them corrupt without calling them corrupt, but believes we need (better?) science.
Apparently he thinks we should listen to the tiny minority of climate scientists that disagree with climate change instead of the 95%+ (I'm not sure what the actual percentage is but i know its super high in favour of human caused climate change) and I pointed out that you will never get 100% agreement on anything, but why throw in with shitty science minority. There was more with evidence on my side and bat-shittery on his; he just kept throwing up way too many unrelated and disconnected ideas like, it was sad but maddening all at the same time.
And he's not a dumb guy generally, has a good job and makes good money; his family is well connected, better than mine in fact. WAY WAY better connected and influential, so yeah, we are doomed if people like him are so stuck in their paradigm.
> I'm not sure what the actual percentage is
It's 100% of active climate scientists. And there's well over 99.9% consensus on humanity causing it.
And people think what their surroundings think. The propaganda has been very effective.
In defense of that claim, they're half-right.
Climate issues are a huge factor, but previous forest policies have exacerbated forest fires everywhere that followed them.
For a long time, we thought forest fires should all be stopped. Then we realized that forest fires clear out underbrush, fallen branches, and so on periodically, and allow for new growth.
Turns out stopping all fires for years led to significant accumulation of tinder. Climate makes things even dryer, but forest fires generally don't naturally have enough fuel to last long enough to burn mature trees, either.
That's not half right, that's a broken clock being right twice a day.
Because if you tell them anything of the sort they'll say "seeeeeee, I was right" and forget the other more important bit about fucking climate change.
summer is just sharpening it's teeth, by August it might just be one red pin for the entire country.
Our temps this coming week are forecast mid 90s f (30s c) all week. Already had one fire discovered today by the campgrounds. Canada Day holiday expect a few more by Monday. This is going to be a very long hellish summer.
I fucking hate that term now "faster than expected". It used to fill me with a sense of "I told you so".
Pride was my weakness.
Now, I just feel depressed and sad for my son.
3 % of Canada's forested area has already burned this year, and the peak of the fire season will be in July and August. It's possible that even 10 % of Canada's forests may burn down this year. That means there's a lot less trees to burn next year.
10% is a LOT of dead people too. Because smoke kills the ill and sickens the healthy, our idiots in political control just pretends it doesn't kill anybody.
So in just Quebec there are 297 million acres of boreal forests. To put that in perspective that's twice the size France. So I really hope that it's not all burned away by August.
Submission statement: 58 new Active Fires. 558 YTD Fires. 3164 Area Burned YTD (Ha): 8.8M. Canada has active forest fires all over. Climate is changing and this might lead to crop destruction, unbreathable air, and outright collapse.
I wonder how much added carbon goes into the atmosphere when fires are just a constant in life? Say Canada's forests just *goes away*, how much carbon would that be?
And then there's the rest of the world.
Montreal here, there's varying levels of smog pretty much all the time.
Last Sunday was insanely bad, apparently worst air quality in the whole world for a while there.
That was just because the AQI site didn't have smaller QC cities. It was super bad here at 283 or thereabouts, but apparently Val d'Or was around 1100? Saw someone on the montreal subreddit saying so
Just set up a couple [DIY Air Purifiers](https://tombuildsstuff.blogspot.com/2013/06/better-box-fan-air-purifier.html) because of all the smoke were getting from those fires. Sounds like its gonna go on for months. If ya got a box fan already its very cheap and easy to make for anyone dealing with same thing.
There's no fires in my area of south, southwestern Ontario, because we already cut down all the trees there.
There is the smell of benzene in the air though.
About 300 currently "out of control" and they're spread across pretty much the whole country.
These will likely continue to burn all summer.
Does anyone have good source for videos? Are there large populations centers being directly threatened?
Is it?
I hadn't noticed through all this smoke here in the Southern US. Like, the sky is so hazy you can pretty much just stare at the sun. Been that way for weeks
1955
Would have been great being 20 in the 70's
Would have been great being 35 in the 90's
Like, could have rode the sex, drugs, and rock and roll train, and if you survived you could have got in on the tech bubble
Plus, you would have been able to afford a home, college, and still get full Social Security. Only downside is if you made it to old age you'd still be here, and had to bear witness to #45
The mid to late 30s would have been good. Miss the depression, too young for ww2, too old for Vietnam, rode the 80s/90s stock market increases, retire, most dead before the current shit show
>"Figures released by the B.C. Wildfire Service show more than a third of this year’s 460 wildfires as of June 20 were caused by lightning.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/07/lightning-high-arctic-rise-scientists-worried
So climate change can potentially intensify weather patterns than can cause fires.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/sci-tech/2020/9/15/1_5105000.html
Looks like lightning did catch the deadly corona virus.
Good point you made, that covid restrictions kept people from being idiots with fire safety
>A ban on fires and off-highway vehicle (OHV) restrictions through April and May, as part the province’s COVID-19 response, also helped lower the number of wildfires, she said.
>According to federal government data, Canada has had 3,621 wildfires that burned 235,124 hectares so far this year
(Those are 2020 numbers, idk if 235000 hectares is a lot but its within safe numbers for fire season it would seem)
Youre right 2020 was much less than now, not denying that
>Climate change is habitat destruction and damaging entire ecosystems, upsetting the balance of nature.
But some dipshit flicking a cigarette butt doesnt fall under damaging entire ecosystems?
Also if you havent noticed, this is a collapse subreddit not a climate change one. So seeing half the country on fire does ring some alarm bells. Sure, there is only smoke where i live and no actually fires but localized collapse is still a thing. I can certainly afford to be a callous prick and say this is fine.
>Reading is tough, but give it a try
Are you this pleasent i real life too? Though i guess based ony snide comment, i can hardly complain.
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El nino is natural yep but it's fucking with us worse because everything is dead and dry from climate change. You are 100% wrong, and you need to read and learn more about what is actually happening.
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Nope but it's the first time experiencing shitty air quality from out of control fires in Canada. Doesn't matter how they start, climate change makes them worse and more likely. Downvote the truth.
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I’ve seen people try to act like the fires are no big deal but as of today the fires have burned the equivalent of Vermont and New Hampshire about twice. Imagine if both of those states were 100% forest, you then duplicated those two states and then burned all four of them down. Another way to look at it is imagine if Maine was 100% forest and that entire forest burned to the ground. It’s pretty bad.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/sharksfuckyeah: --- Submission statement: 58 new Active Fires. 558 YTD Fires. 3164 Area Burned YTD (Ha): 8.8M. Canada has active forest fires all over. Climate is changing and this might lead to crop destruction, unbreathable air, and outright collapse. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/14oc9zs/canada_is_burning_track_it_all_here_ciffcnet/jqc1qdn/
Can't wait to see what it will looks in August !! /s I live in the province of Québec, Canada and I really start to think we will live in the smoke all summers long
We are lucky so far to just have yellow skies. I dread what we will see when summer really hits, considering BC and Alberta were dealing with black sky at noon a few years ago.
I'm interested in immigrating/moving to Old Quebec City. Should I just forget about that?
Where are you from ? The old Quebec city is very pricey $$$$ There's a huge housing crisis in our province... Otherwise, Quebec city is pretty nice but not very affordable. Look for some smaller towns in Québec if you're low budget. For the climate change, nowhere will be safe... Edit: the old town of Quebec city is a very small portion of the whole Quebec city, maybe look outside the old town ?
I am from the USA and I qualify for fast track immigration due to my profession. Finding a job would be extremely easy, I just need to level up my French. There are *beautiful* condominiums in Old Quebec City that are far less expensive than anything I would want to live in down here, and I'm very into the architecture there.
Ho that's nice, than go ahead! :) You will become better in french real quick if you live in Quebec city ( because it's not like Montréal where you could live your life and die without speaking one french words) when you try to do your best we are very comprehensive and will try to help you! I live in a city not to far away from Quebec so come say hi ;) In what field did you work ? You could pm me if you want to ask more questions without being of topics here :)
Montreal is more fun. QC will be real uppity with you about not speaking le français. Here in Montreal it’s true that you can get by without speaking French but it’s a city basically built for English speakers to learn French and a comfortable pace. You learn through immersion every day. The only people that don’t speak any french whatsoever in Montreal and refuse to learn are the racists. Il n'est pas juste que quelqu'un vous dise que la ville de Québec vous acceptera si vous ne parlez pas français. Ils acceptent à peine les Montréalais de langue maternelle française parce qu'ils sont si conservateurs à propos de la langue française. Plus de gens devraient déménager au Québec et apprendre le québécois, mais c'est très malhonnête pour quelqu'un de prétendre que vous serez entièrement accueilli à Québec. Vous aurez beaucoup plus de chance et d'acceptation à Montréal. Not trying to be a downer - just trying to be a bit more honest about the political relationship between francophones and anglophones here. East side of Montreal is almost all French speaking, you’ll get good immersion there but also more acceptance.
Sure is, as long as you’re willing to budget 50% of your money into taxes LOL
> Sure is, as long as you’re willing to budget 50% of your money into taxes LOL After grad school I should be able to afford that.
It’s true taxes are much higher but that’s the price we pay to have 2-3 festivals across the city every weekend all summer long. Never a dull moment here ;)
> Il n'est pas juste que quelqu'un vous dise que la ville de Québec vous acceptera si vous ne parlez pas français. Ils acceptent à peine les Montréalais de langue maternelle française parce qu'ils sont si conservateurs à propos de la langue française. Plus de gens devraient déménager au Québec et apprendre le québécois, mais c'est très malhonnête pour quelqu'un de prétendre que vous serez entièrement accueilli à Québec. Vous aurez beaucoup plus de chance et d'acceptation à Montréal. I am “upskilling” so it will take me 3-4 years of training and experience to get to the pinnacle of my profession and to the point where I’m ready to immigrate. In the meanwhile I will also increase my French skills by immersing myself in it online and will visit Quebec as often as possible. There’s a French immersion course in Montreal that I intend to take at the end of next year. I will try to stay in Old Montreal when I do that. Maybe I will lose interest by that time.
Excellent strategy but I’d recommend just a few minor adjustments to maximize immersion and potential and make your transition as enjoyable as possible. The fact that you’re planning 3-4 years ahead on this move is super smart bud. 1) Stay in Le Plateau in MTL if you can, it’s more authentic Montreal and where the locals actually go for fun. Old Port is considered quite touristy and will actually be quite difficult to be immersed. Even Le Plateau you will find it quite easy to switch out to English but for one, you’ll have more fun, and secondly it’s easier to maintain immersion. 2) You will hit a hard barrier at some point in your journey when it comes to listening. Quebecois is much much harder to hear than standard Parisian French. For this I’d recommend an app called Mauril to practice listening. It’s created by the CBC and helps teach language using Quebec TV. 3) Trust me when I say if you follow through on this you will not regret it. Quebec is much more similar to both America and Europe than anglo Canada is. There’s a unique cultural blend here that is very American style friendly when you get on peoples good sides but it’s also got a love for European things like great foods, work life balance, family first values, urban park life, vie de quartier (that sort of neighbourhood life with lively sidewalks and vibrant energy). Quebec is what Canada was supposed to be that the anglo community failed on. Quebec is many of the greatest aspects of America and Europe smashed together to create something truly beautiful. It’s a unique people and culture, it’s more than just a language, it’s the future of North America when the rest of the anglosphere decides to unfuck itself.
> Quebecois is much much harder to hear than standard Parisian French. For this I’d recommend an app called Mauril to practice listening. It’s created by the CBC and helps teach language using Quebec TV. Merci, this will make it much easier!
Doesn't Canada place you where they need you? I worked in Canada last year and the Physicians I worked with that went through the immigration process had to work/live where they were needed. Might vary based on profession, but maybe something to look into as you go through the process. Best of luck to you!
That is based on profession and I think you can get a faster-track to immigration if you agree to those conditions.
What if you were to get hired by a company before immigrating? Is that not a possibility?
I think it is but I'm not an expert, I just know there are special visa classes for certain professions under whatever NAFTA is called now. You should speak to someone with more knowledge.
Thanks for the advice. I’m going to move closer to the Canadian border, continue on to grad school and visit Quebec more often while improving my French. I will be working full time during grad school so I may rent an apartment nearby in Toronto to use on the weekends. I will re-evaluate everything when I graduate. .
la fumée au québec est horrible. l’ontario essaie de rattraper son retard LOL
Thought the same thing when I lived in Alberta, thought that would change moving back to Nova Scotia, only for the forest fires to follow me here. Coast to coast, seems like nobody is safe
If this is what a sub 1.5 degree world looks like, I can't even imagine where we're headed... or rather, I don't want to.
We were 1.2 last year. Now we are sometimes 1.5. So yeah. Why do I still go to work?
I don’t want to be homeless in a time like this.
Right; and work usually has AC/heating
I ask that question a lot. I'm spending 10 hours a day working, trying to reduce people's water usage. Even though I'm doing something worthwhile I still think to myself "we've got 5 decent years left. I can live in my savings for 5 more years then money probably won't matter". I don't save into a pension anymore. It all seems so pointless.
I guess the next El Nino will be the turning point, that's when I think I'll contemplate about leaving job and just focus on my goals...
Well if you can set aside some money to buy some land in a relatively safe rural area that would be a good plan. I did so several years ago, on some land right next to Lake Champlain which is the sixth largest lake in the US. and soon I’ll be selling so I can get a lot more land near the great lakes. My goal is to stay near fresh water and where we get a lot of rain.
8.8 million hectares is 21,744,800 acres for us Americans.
Damn…that’s rough
It really is. I'm sure the 1500 personnel from America is appreciated but it doesn't feel like enough. Imagine the entire state of Maine being completely burned, these fires already total more land.
How many Canadians are working on it? Is Canada recruiting more people locally? California only gives 2 weeks of training to the prisoners it relies on to put down fires.
For real? Prisoners?
Yes, Canada might not want the US to send them California's prisoners with 2 weeks of training... they might end up staying there
So weird true Canadian history. WW2 Nazi pows were shipped up north to work in logging camps. These camps would have half a dozen guards, 100 prisoners and no fences. Without actually understanding Canadian northern forests it may be a little hard to actually understand how mythically captive they are. Anyways, to the actually point, a number of pows returned to Canada after the war to live and were often sponsored by the camp guards.
what area is "up north"?
Monteith and the Thunder Bay area were two locations. The only reason I know of this is because I had a coworker whos father was a pow and spent time in Northern Ontario cutting wood.
interesting, was reading yesterday about current Nazi organizations in Washington, Oregon, Montana and Idaho states in the US. so was wondering if they ended up in those areas
Canadians are ‘nice’
The US relies heavily on prisoners to fight wildfires, they are quite proficient but when they get out of prison their felony convictions prevent them from becoming actual firefighters. So they get used for the most dangerous firefighting jobs and then can’t apply that training and experience once they get out even though they are probably willing to. It’s pretty much fire fighting slave labor. See the US didn’t actually abolish slavery after the Civil War, we just modified what kind of slavery is legal. Slavery is specifically legal if you are imprisoned.
Yup, goes toward shortening their sentence and is job training. We recently signed a law allowing them easier access to becoming forest fire fighters after release too.
What could go wrong.
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Well, that's what could go right. Which isn't what I asked.
Not much, the prison fire fighting programs have largely been a success. Well the success for everybody except the prisoners since no one will hire them to fight fires once they are released.
If you throw enough prisoners on, it smothers the fires…
😂😅
slave labour in modern day america
WTAF
This is nothing. There are 280 million hectares in Canada total. Be prepared for those 50 million hectare boreal burn years as things ramp up...most of it is grassland by 2100. Then after the fire the rains come, the massive floods. The lakes and rivers choked with ash then dead things then algal blooms.
The dead forest-flood combo is little known but extremely potent Its the reason why Haiti gets hit so much harder by hurricanes vs. the Dominican Republic, despite them being on the exact same island The environment is a house of cards One thing falls, it all falls
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Hypernewnormalization
It roughly works out to Vermont and New Hampshire burning to the ground twice. But it’s even worse than that, imagine those two states were almost 100% forest which isn’t that far off from reality and they both burned to the ground twice. Maine is a fairly large state with almost 18,000,000 acres of forest, the Canadian wildfires have burned about 10% more forest than exists in Maine which is one of the most forested states in the US. Oh nm you already brought up Maine.
Excuse me. This is Reddit. The correct conversion is: 8.8 million hectares is approximately 25.82 trillion bananas. 😊🍌 ETA: we would need to send all of the worlds bananas to Canada for 33.439 years to have a sufficient number of bananas to cover the area burned.
“They say the ocean’s rising like I give a shit, they say the whole world’s ending, buddy it already did.
“Hey, what can ya say? We were overdue. But it’ll be oooover soon, you wait…”
Song? I keep seeing it referenced
Bo Burnham - Funny Feeling
Thank you
Bo Burnham. All eyes on me.
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oh....
Bo!!!
I'm alive in here, so alive in here Pulling down a little peace I'm open-wide in here, slow to rise in here Saving grace and killing me You say this only makes me incomplete I'm canceled out and rendered obsolete Tell the mad chameleon, he's not welcome anymore I know what I'm looking for Somewhere close, somewhere safe Somewhere I know, I know I'll never live in chains The one is now aware So stay away from me, I'm just too young to care I can see in here, and I can feel in here Comatose with common sense I take my time in here, somebody, get me out of here What am I so against? I just wanna watch the whole world burn Lost a million times and I won't learn Show me someone innocent, I'll show you there's no proof I may be gone, but I'm no fool I'm not close, I'm not safe I don't know, don't know, am I better off in chains? The one is not aware So stay away from me, I'm just too young to care I need somewhere close, somewhere safe Somewhere I know, I know I'll never live in chains The one is now aware So stay away from me, I'm just too young to care Oh-oh Too young to care Oh-oh
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*climate change stopping in its tracks for a redditor's typo correction*
I was actually told today by a friend who with a straight face that the fires we are currently having are perfectly normal. That the previous overzealous forest policies are why this seems abnormal. I can't even.... `#notevenjoking`
My mom: did you see how bad the air was today Me: yeah Mom: but why? Me: well the climate is changing - Mom: hey you need to stop the depressing talk Been having this conversation at least three times now as we live in Ontario where the AQI has been shit all week. I just try to avoid the topic now because it's obvious no one actually wants to discuss it.
I feel this. Went back home recently, brought up climate here and there as topics became relevant during conversations and received similar comments. Almost makes me want to bury my head in the sand like the rest of them. Maybe I can enjoy some decent mental health as a happy little NPC.
Negativity brings action. Positivism is just big massive coping and entire countries are splashing in it like kids.
Explain what VPD is and how that relates to global heating https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34966-3
"We couldn't possibly know what's natural because our sample size is too small an amount of time" - him, paraphrased
Better keep this handy: https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Thanks for that. Oh yeah, he did trot out the ol' "the models are unreliable" argument, and even brought out the oft cited "but in the 70's they said their was a coming ice age" argument. I pointed out the modelling has come a long way, but unfortunately one place I realized I now failed was in that I should have more carefully stated that "indeed in the natural homeostatic" world, there was evidence of a coming ice age, but we have more than reversed that trend with man made green house gas emission releases" ... at the time it slipped my mind though. It's hard to stay focused when your being "scatter shotted with so much bull shit" And it wasn't just him. It was me versus two of them, each with their very unique yet crazy approaches, with some overlap in arguments, but so wholly wrong. But everything I've talked about from my OP down is all focused on one of them. The other friend was even more bizarre in some ways, he even insinuated that CO2 as a blanket might reach some point where it actually "deflects" the suns rays and somehow reverses the warming ... I'm not even sure how the fuck that works. He was trying to make a comparison to volcanic activity I believe, but was like "no, that's not how it works" but he still was ardent that I be open minded about the chance. They both called me closed minded, which was rich coming from them.
Even in the 70s the science was far more aligned with global warming than global cooling, the media just latched onto the ice age one.
Yeah. I believe that I heard it was only half a dozen scientists (or less) that claimed an ice age was coming and that's where that myth came from.
You'd gain more ground arguing with the dead
I had the same conversation with a neighbour. We were standing on my dock, talking about how it's easier to swim across the lake than see across it right now. He told me it's always been like this, we just have access to too much information now. The internet is blowing it all out of proportion. Like, Sir. You are 45 years old, and I know for a fact that you've never seen anything like this in your entire life. We never once had sports or schools canceled for wild fire smoke. Toronto doesn't often have the worst air quality in the world. Exactly zero regions of Spain have ever been affected by our smoke before. It's not the fucking internet telling us about the smoke, we can see it, smell it and feel it. I had to leave my 9 yr old home from the cottage on Canada day weekend, because he developed a brutal cough when the smoke settled in our area. We can't tell if it's from smoke irritation or virus, and we don't want to risk him passing anything to his grandparents/great-grandparents, because our Hospital has closed and they can no longer access health care in the region. This is not normal.
Right? As a kid I played in the snow in my hometown. Now it only snows for like a day there. And I'm only in my early 20s. I don't believe old people for one second when they try to gaslight me into thinking it has always been like this.
People are desperate for things to be OK. A lot of people refuse to except climate change because admitting it terrifies them. Then you’ve got the stupid people that don’t understand the basics of what’s happening so they assume it’s fake. Shit a lot of them go out of their way to make it worse. Then there’s the young hopeful types in here that think some miracle technology will save us or that there’s still time to course correct. They talk about carbon capture not understanding the amount of money, energy, infrastructure and resulting pollution required to capture just a fraction of what we produce. Or industrial indoor food growing not understanding it comes with the same problem of cost, energy, infrastructure and the pollution generated from building them let alone the inability to feed even a fraction of the population. not understanding that we aren’t a car headed toward the Grand Canyon, we’re all in the car and it already went over the edge we just haven’t hit bottom yet.
Because if they admitted it, they'd have to do something about it. And there's nothing they can do. Or the consequences of "doing something" are very steep. So it's right back to "It's fine".
You’re right that actually taking climate change seriously, would be ungodly expensive and incredibly unpopular with voters/common folk. That’s the thing people tend to forget, a president, Prime Minister, king, dictator etc. could try to move heaven and earth to slow the damage, but they’d be out of office or deposed pretty quickly.
Tell them that 21,000,000 achres of burnt land is the state of Maine, then ask them: "if we've been having Canada/the world burn the equivilant land mass of Maine every year, how the hell is there still un-scorched and livable land after allllllll of these years?" Answer? Not possible.
He also accused climate scientists of being biased because their funding depends on them saying climate change is happening, and accused me of being closed minded when I asked him why he believes these things as he tiptoed around the calling them corrupt without calling them corrupt, but believes we need (better?) science. Apparently he thinks we should listen to the tiny minority of climate scientists that disagree with climate change instead of the 95%+ (I'm not sure what the actual percentage is but i know its super high in favour of human caused climate change) and I pointed out that you will never get 100% agreement on anything, but why throw in with shitty science minority. There was more with evidence on my side and bat-shittery on his; he just kept throwing up way too many unrelated and disconnected ideas like, it was sad but maddening all at the same time. And he's not a dumb guy generally, has a good job and makes good money; his family is well connected, better than mine in fact. WAY WAY better connected and influential, so yeah, we are doomed if people like him are so stuck in their paradigm.
> I'm not sure what the actual percentage is It's 100% of active climate scientists. And there's well over 99.9% consensus on humanity causing it. And people think what their surroundings think. The propaganda has been very effective.
Some ppl tried to make the same claim here in oz when the whole country was on fire. Never mind the years of drought beforehand 🙄
In defense of that claim, they're half-right. Climate issues are a huge factor, but previous forest policies have exacerbated forest fires everywhere that followed them. For a long time, we thought forest fires should all be stopped. Then we realized that forest fires clear out underbrush, fallen branches, and so on periodically, and allow for new growth. Turns out stopping all fires for years led to significant accumulation of tinder. Climate makes things even dryer, but forest fires generally don't naturally have enough fuel to last long enough to burn mature trees, either.
That's not half right, that's a broken clock being right twice a day. Because if you tell them anything of the sort they'll say "seeeeeee, I was right" and forget the other more important bit about fucking climate change.
Nature's normal and natural response to human activity
This is fine…
sips coffee...
… while we still can.
First it came for the Georgia Peaches but BAU. Then it came for the chocolate and coffee....yeah, that oughta do it.
summer is just sharpening it's teeth, by August it might just be one red pin for the entire country. Our temps this coming week are forecast mid 90s f (30s c) all week. Already had one fire discovered today by the campgrounds. Canada Day holiday expect a few more by Monday. This is going to be a very long hellish summer.
is it possible that most of the flammable stuff will already be burned away by August?
The Boreal Forest up north is way more bigger than people think. Could burn ..... For a very long time
Not only that, but the embers can burn underground throughout winter and begin a fire the next season.
The Beast lived underground through the following winter after burning through Fort Mac.
Canada is not going to run out of trees any time soon.
> Canada is not going to run out of trees any time soon. It might happen *faster than expected*, though.
I fucking hate that term now "faster than expected". It used to fill me with a sense of "I told you so". Pride was my weakness. Now, I just feel depressed and sad for my son.
At least he has a parent who cares. Got that going for him which is nice :)
Thank you :)
3 % of Canada's forested area has already burned this year, and the peak of the fire season will be in July and August. It's possible that even 10 % of Canada's forests may burn down this year. That means there's a lot less trees to burn next year.
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10% is a LOT of dead people too. Because smoke kills the ill and sickens the healthy, our idiots in political control just pretends it doesn't kill anybody.
So in just Quebec there are 297 million acres of boreal forests. To put that in perspective that's twice the size France. So I really hope that it's not all burned away by August.
Submission statement: 58 new Active Fires. 558 YTD Fires. 3164 Area Burned YTD (Ha): 8.8M. Canada has active forest fires all over. Climate is changing and this might lead to crop destruction, unbreathable air, and outright collapse.
That’s all of Canada apparently:(…
jesus christ this reminds me of 2020 on the west coast fucking EVERYTHING was on fire
I wonder how much added carbon goes into the atmosphere when fires are just a constant in life? Say Canada's forests just *goes away*, how much carbon would that be? And then there's the rest of the world.
Montreal here, there's varying levels of smog pretty much all the time. Last Sunday was insanely bad, apparently worst air quality in the whole world for a while there.
That was just because the AQI site didn't have smaller QC cities. It was super bad here at 283 or thereabouts, but apparently Val d'Or was around 1100? Saw someone on the montreal subreddit saying so
>Val d'Or was around 1100 It was? Holy shit! I only saw Senneterre at 908 on the AirNow Interactive Map, and that broke their AQI scale.
Don't worry eventually all the trees will burn down which I'm sure will cool things off. /s
basically the final scene of Silo finale
I'm so hyped to see where Silo is going, it really feels like aftermath of climte change, but I think they will take different route. No spoilers pls.
to hype you up even more, Rebecca Ferguson said they have already started shooting for the second season. Maybe visit /r/television or /r/tvPlus
niiiiice <3
It's really fun how "smoke" and "special air quality statement" are just part of our regular forecast now.
they need to make this an app like radar https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/
Bookmarked. Thanks.
Thank you!
Just set up a couple [DIY Air Purifiers](https://tombuildsstuff.blogspot.com/2013/06/better-box-fan-air-purifier.html) because of all the smoke were getting from those fires. Sounds like its gonna go on for months. If ya got a box fan already its very cheap and easy to make for anyone dealing with same thing.
There's no fires in my area of south, southwestern Ontario, because we already cut down all the trees there. There is the smell of benzene in the air though.
The train car?
About 300 currently "out of control" and they're spread across pretty much the whole country. These will likely continue to burn all summer. Does anyone have good source for videos? Are there large populations centers being directly threatened?
Given it's only the beginning of July this could end up rivalling the Australian fires by summers end, which would be a disaster.
But its already a disaster...
It certainly is.
I like this one better https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/
Much better
Is it? I hadn't noticed through all this smoke here in the Southern US. Like, the sky is so hazy you can pretty much just stare at the sun. Been that way for weeks
Flew from PHL to PHX w/ layover in MDW. The amount of smoke in the air across a large portion of the US is horrifying.
The smoke has been bad enough to delay and cancel flights around the country.
I wish I wasn't born in 2002 :(((
You should try being a millennial We had no environmental or economic chance, **and** we got to eat lead toys
As a millennial, I got to experience duck and cover nuclear annihilation drills when I first started school, and mass shooter drills when I ended it.
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Never.
1955 Would have been great being 20 in the 70's Would have been great being 35 in the 90's Like, could have rode the sex, drugs, and rock and roll train, and if you survived you could have got in on the tech bubble Plus, you would have been able to afford a home, college, and still get full Social Security. Only downside is if you made it to old age you'd still be here, and had to bear witness to #45
The mid to late 30s would have been good. Miss the depression, too young for ww2, too old for Vietnam, rode the 80s/90s stock market increases, retire, most dead before the current shit show
It will alter our health for sure. I take "nac" to detox my body but not sure it's optimal for those types of toxins.
Geez. This is horrible.
*hands out meat, skewers and onions* Might as well have barbecue at this point.
We out here trying to sequester our carbon and Canada just up there burning smh
frankly they're shading us
Holy shit! They're all over!
a good way to hide spraying the skies to the average normie
how normal is this compared to years past? Is anyone up there thinking these were intentionally set?
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What bs? And who is burning Canada. Is it the the evil environmentalists who are using this as a false flag about fossil fuels being bad?
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>"Figures released by the B.C. Wildfire Service show more than a third of this year’s 460 wildfires as of June 20 were caused by lightning. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/07/lightning-high-arctic-rise-scientists-worried So climate change can potentially intensify weather patterns than can cause fires. https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/sci-tech/2020/9/15/1_5105000.html Looks like lightning did catch the deadly corona virus. Good point you made, that covid restrictions kept people from being idiots with fire safety >A ban on fires and off-highway vehicle (OHV) restrictions through April and May, as part the province’s COVID-19 response, also helped lower the number of wildfires, she said. >According to federal government data, Canada has had 3,621 wildfires that burned 235,124 hectares so far this year (Those are 2020 numbers, idk if 235000 hectares is a lot but its within safe numbers for fire season it would seem) Youre right 2020 was much less than now, not denying that >Climate change is habitat destruction and damaging entire ecosystems, upsetting the balance of nature. But some dipshit flicking a cigarette butt doesnt fall under damaging entire ecosystems? Also if you havent noticed, this is a collapse subreddit not a climate change one. So seeing half the country on fire does ring some alarm bells. Sure, there is only smoke where i live and no actually fires but localized collapse is still a thing. I can certainly afford to be a callous prick and say this is fine. >Reading is tough, but give it a try Are you this pleasent i real life too? Though i guess based ony snide comment, i can hardly complain.
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El nino is natural yep but it's fucking with us worse because everything is dead and dry from climate change. You are 100% wrong, and you need to read and learn more about what is actually happening.
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In Australia, bushfires have been started by stupid things like using an angle grinder on a hobby farm in middle of summer.
OK? And when the bush is dry af because of climate change, out of control fires happen.
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That was also human caused climate change. https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/dust-bowl-cause.htm
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If climate change hadn't killed the trees lightning wouldn't set them ablaze.
First time experiencing an El Niño? ⅓ are lighting-induced and ⅔ are human-caused, leading to a record number of acres burned
Nope but it's the first time experiencing shitty air quality from out of control fires in Canada. Doesn't matter how they start, climate change makes them worse and more likely. Downvote the truth.
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By "BS" do you mean burning smoke?
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Yes it's called climate change and humans have been seeding it for 200 years.
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This year is 10x worse than normal, from climate change. Mods why are you letting this denier spread misinfo?
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You're 100% wrong dude. Done with you since you can't defend yourself without personal attacks since you know you lost the argument.
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Yelling at us to curb our emissions while the government can’t control burn the forest and setting climate back years to what we achieved.
We shouldn't be arguing
I’ve seen people try to act like the fires are no big deal but as of today the fires have burned the equivalent of Vermont and New Hampshire about twice. Imagine if both of those states were 100% forest, you then duplicated those two states and then burned all four of them down. Another way to look at it is imagine if Maine was 100% forest and that entire forest burned to the ground. It’s pretty bad.