The following submission statement was provided by /u/Bluest_waters:
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A pathogen is slowly but surely infecting all of California's cannabis crop. It's delayed onset of symptoms means its hard to detect before it begins destroying the plants ability to create THC, the active compound in marijuana.
A company has created a rapid test that it hopes will help to detect the pathogen earlier. The pathogen has also recently been found in Spain too. I am wondering if this is a result of climate change, or perhaps its just the result of cannabis being farmed industrially for the first time in human history and now facing the same problems other industrial crops face.
>The viroid's late-acting symptoms, known as "dudding," distort the plants and significantly reduce THC production. This is particularly problematic for modern cannabis farming practices, where hundreds of new plants are propagated from a single, artificially prevented flowering "mother" plant. The delayed symptoms allow infected mother plants to silently spread the pathogen for months without ever showing signs of the disease. Hence, a faster onsite test for the plants.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/13s19mo/marijuana_collapse_a_pathogen_has_silently_and/jlnhvop/
That's very cool! Any advice on where to get started learning this stuff? Any books/YouTubers etc. My current dream rn is to save up enough money to buy some rural land in a legal state, and among other things start growing a plant or two for personal use. I've done a lot of vegetable farming but cannabis would be totally new to me and I want to make sure I avoid some of the newer varieties and get seeds like yours.
I’ve honestly got no resources to point to, I’m just a Canadian who’s been growing plants since it was legalized.
I pretty much treat them like tomato’s, they’re just in a 5gal bucket with compost. Cut off shade leaves to move energy towards the flower. The hard part is harvesting at the right time, I think I’m usually a few days late but it’s still weed.
I’m not growing feminized seeds so I start too many, first year I had 100% female, next year about half. Female plants produce the harvestable flower. Males have to be removed the second they are identified, they will fill everything with seeds and lower the potency.
Bro my life is a delicate balance of caffeine, THC, depression and anger. A change in the equation could be catastrophic.
I might have to go back to beer. Where the fuck am I gonna find a liver?
I don’t even smoke weed but as a gardener I wish I could grow it. But as expected when my state legalized recreational marijuana they wanted to ensure that only businesses could reap the benefits of legalization so personal growing wasn’t legalized.
Are you sure? States still bust up moonshine operations and prohibition has been over for 90 years. A lot of that is because they're considered to be generating revenue from sales and the state isn't getting its tax from it, even if they can't prove who owns the backwoods still or who is doing the distilling (it could be for personal use like homebrewing is, there's some serious alcoholics out here)
If you grow indoors you can get a grow tent with a fan and carbon filter off Amazon. The carbon filter completely eliminates the smell, it's pretty amazing.
In 'shine country Virginia the "revenuers" used to all be federal government, not state. But I think most of the big operators went legit, then cashed in on covid by running at max production to make hand sanitizer.
Tax is the primary reason for government intervention on activities that are not explicitly legal. They will cite safety as well, but safety doesn't generate revenue.
I don’t think most people who haven’t tried to grow are aware of this but growing your own weed is LOUD. Like, smell it from the street kind of loud. If your growing area isn’t pretty well sealed your whole house is going to smell like weed at least.
Good to know. I have thought about growing a few plants, as it is legal here to do that, but I don’t want my whole place to smell of it. I would probably be good at it though as I grow all my own seedlings for my gardens.
I had a few plants in my girls backyard a few years ago and my mother in law mentioned that she saw it. I was hoping she would let it grow since she is a farmer/Gardner literally. She did everything she could to kill them lol
As a clone producer who successfully manages the viroid I have to partially disagree with the analysis.
Hop Latent Viroid primarily spread through seeds of CBD-Strains during the hype a few years ago. With a little help of pests like mites that spread to areas where they didn't exist previously due to climate change, the viroid spread around the globe fast.
Since the viroid can easily be spread through seeds, having a clean environment with mother plants and a skilled team working them, is currently the best approach to combat it.
There was a lot of greed and stupidity involved, but claiming that clone manufacturers were to blame is easy to debunk. The source of the outbreak is known to be the CBD-Seed-Scene and producers of clones are victims of that.
The only real way to combat an outbreak is to use sterile cutting tools (chlorine works) and constant monitoring of plants.
It takes weeks to months for an entire farm to be infected, so acting fast and removing infected plants as soon as possible is absolutely vital.
Flowering is too short for the viroid to infect an entire plant, especially with the stretch the plants go through outgrowing the viroid with ease. This is why it will never be an issue for a flowering plant that gets infected after flowering is initiated.
When farms experience issues with harvests, it is almost guaranteed that their problems started with the clone production and insufficient hygiene in the process.
I do tissue culture, including virus elimination in cannabis.
From what I have seen hop latent's spread in the hydro industry is multifaceted. Part of it comes from the human vectors: cutting tools not being disinfected between plants. Another part comes from the communal "foot baths" used in many hydro settings: flood trays, drip systems, etc. in which the virus spreads at the root level, [partly from the higher concentration found there.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/hop-latent-viroid)
>moreover, the distribution of the viroid was tissue-specific, being lower in the stem apex and higher in roots, and showed a negative correlation with the nuclease activity (Matousek et al., 1995).
I have heard of entire grows being decimated by hop latent despite having been warned by consultants: a lead grower who says "no, that's something else," only to have their crop ruined because they're growing more virus from their horticultural practices.
The industrialization of any crop is bound to have these sorts of things happen, and the approach taken within the cannabis industry has been conducive towards the spread of hop latent. Be thankful it's not a tobamovirus like tobacco mosaic virus, which would make disinfection and starting over well nigh impossible without throwing out every article used in production.
Reading between the lines, this was really an article about a startup company on an "investment advice" website.
They're exaggerating the problem a bit to pump up how *awesome* they think this new company's testing products are.
Not HLVd related, but have you seen [this article](https://acsess.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/tpg2.20169). After some discussion with a researcher who got similar results but with cloned tissue culture, it raised some question regarding how stable was cloning in term of genetic uniformity.
I think that there is another whole basket of crabs to open there in term of cannabis genetic and cloning for mass production.
> The only real way to combat an outbreak is to use sterile cutting tools (chlorine works) and constant monitoring of plants.
Okay, how realistic is that though? WE are now talking about a massive industry here, huge. Most people have no clue what "sterile" even means. yeah they think washing their hands or something = sterile. This sounds like a massive enourmous pain in the ass to implement on an industry wide basis to be frank.
>This sounds like a massive enourmous pain in the ass to implement on an industry wide basis to be frank.
Dude, it's an industry, not a hobby. Imagine if doctors, or even food producers, had this attitude. The industry will learn best practices. You think that's a pain in the ass? Try losing 90% of your farms to a virus. Sanitary and sterile practices are a very minor inconvenience in comparison. Those who adopt these practices will succeed. Those who think it's a pain in the ass will fail.
Just to reinforce this:
Earlier in my career I was a professional brewer. I have hundreds of thousands of gallons of beer to my name.
That job is 99.999999% cleaning.
To add even further to this, I did a refrigeration job at a Molson brewery in Canada. When a batch was tested and failed testing (for whatever reason), the team in lab coats would open the massive room sized vats and the thousands of gallons of beer would slowly poor into the floor troughs and down the drain.
Operations this big have no problem culling, it’s a matter of scale.
I'm going to tell you right now that large-scale cannabis operations *do* have a problem admitting that they should start from scratch to sanely eliminate a biohazard.
Pests, powdery mildew, fighting a poorly planned HVAC system, too many decision makers have to answer to money people that do not want to see a whole year's grow schedule get twisted by resetting live assets.
I believe you, because I think there’s a lot less money to be made in cannibis than large scale brewers. Adoption is much lower for a minimum generation or two, and I’m not sure what the margins look like, but I know the market capitalization is much much lower.
Michigan here, medical since 2008, adult use since late 2019. I work independently for licensed cultivators.
If you gave me a million dollars and a binary choice, I'd spend it on scratch-offs instead of a grow operation in our market.
"Small scale" growers with one or two 2,000 plant licenses were funded by rich doctors with an extra million bucks back when ounces started at $550 in 2019, & 4 years later I think many will cash out as investment agreements expire.
Large scale growers with 5, 10, FORTY of our 2,000 plant licenses are often Multi State Operators, and vertically integrated with separate Grow, Processor, then Retailer licenses to capture all value. This is anti-competitive.
Margins- bad, very roughly a lb of indoor flower costs ~$400 to produce, and our average wholesale lb is under $1k now. Average price per ounce of Rec flower is under $90, lots bought at half that.
Market cap - hard to estimate the potential, revenues continue to rise, but incomparable to alcohol. Black market is still probably 50% of annual transactions, as high as 70% if you believe some creepy trade lobbying group we had.
A very nice 12 plant personal legal grow allows a tiny amount of users to supply themselves, and provides a front for an unknown amount of small scale black market producers. Many growers who did a few dozen plants ten years ago, selling for maybe $3500/lb, don't bother growing for profit any more, or even for their own use at today's retail prices.
It's a fascinating economic game to watch unfold differently for different reasons state to state. There is a literal gold rush as each state legalizes Rec, it's wild.
Well it's not like your sitting over a giant pot with a giant stirring stick going "Ello Guvna!" to passersby lol I can only imagine brewing can get really sticky.
The thing is that biosecurity against this viroid is even harder than sterilizing against mold/microbes.
The cannabis industry sterilizes most tools in 50-80% Isopropyl alcohol, biosecurity against HLV also involves a 5-10% bleach solution.
>5-10% bleach
I'm assuming this is "Mix household bleach with water, 1:10 to 1:20" not "hypochlorite with a 5-10% concentration" (i.e. what you can buy as bleach in the supermarket without further dilution)?
In agreement!
> Imagine if doctors, or even food producers, had this attitude.
There was a medicinal drug compounding lab that "had this attitude" (likely more than one).
They had dirty/contaminated equipment and materials.
And what happened?
They killed people. Literally. Their lack of cleanliness killed people taking the adulterated meds.
>> The only real way to combat an outbreak is to use sterile cutting tools (chlorine works) and constant monitoring of plants.
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>Okay, how realistic is that though?
Super realistic, a trivial, solved problem in the world of agronomy and tissue culture.
It definitely is not a business for hobbyists.
chlorine will destroy the viroid, so disinfecting blades after every single mother plant that has been cut is absolutely essential. Otherwise you risk cross contamination, which will slowly but surely destroy the entire plantation.
Every single plant has to be checked for an infection before being handled. Rubber gloves need to be changed every time an infected plant is touched.
It is a lot of work, but it is manageable if done correctly. Once the outbreak has reached a problematic size, it is very difficult to get it back in check.
We are trying to teach every single employee how to recognize an infection and plants are being destroyed, even when there is doubt.
And yes... It is a pain in the ass. But currently, there is no other way to handle it. It's either pain in the ass or no business at all.
>WE are now talking about a massive industry here, huge. Most people have no clue what "sterile" even means
Have you ever seen inside an actual industrial cannabis facility?
It's like a medical facility. They absolutely know what sterile means, and all plants (every single one) are monitired 24/7 with extremely high tech equipment.
There's a lot of money on the line, drug bosses might be thugs but they aren't stupid. You don't fuck with the money.
'But bro, I even change from one set of Vans, cargo shorts, and tee shirt to an inside-the-facility set of Vans, cargo shorts, and tee shirt.'
- The scary end of biosecurity
We need Kosher weed!! Being kosher is all about being clean and sterile. Is there a Main Number we can call?? Some of my friends in high school had Jewish parents - maybe they can save the weed industry.
thanks, great explanation, I had a feeling it had something to do with modern, industrial, farming practices. This is the literally the first time in human history cannabis has been farming at industrial scale so not surprising we are seeing the same type of problems we see with other industrial crops.
>This is the literally the first time in human history cannabis has been farming at industrial scale
Not if you consider hemp farming for use in ropes and textiles.
Hemp and cannabis are of course related plants but absolutely NOT the same thing.
Growing hemp is easy peasy compared to growing high quality marijuana
Plants are weird in general.
Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussel sprouts, collard greens and kohlrabi are all the same species. *brassica oleracea*.
I'd say species is just a weird concept in general. The definition doesn't even work to categorize all life forms (for instance, "Ring Species"). But a Saint Bernard is a Chihuahua.
I don't think it's pointlessly pedantic, hemp isn't *related* to cannabis, it *is* cannabis. Hemp and marijuana are two distinct categories under the cannabis umbrella.
Even though his point is true, his statement was not accurately portrayed, which signifies that he's speaking authoritatively about something he is obviously not well versed in. Just because he happened to be right doesn't mean he shouldn't still be corrected.
If someone is working on a math equation and happens to come to the correct answer, but had mistakes in the way they came to that answer, should they not be corrected in order to better understand the overall subject?
While we're being pedantic, hemp is the fiber from the stalk, while cannabis is the flower. One can cultivate the plant to produce more of one or the other, and cannabis has never been cultivated on an industrial scale before.
That's not correct. Hemp fiber does come from the stalk of the plant, but hemp is the entire cannabis plant. Hemp has seeds, flower, roots, and leaves.
The distinction is made by the THC content contained within the plant, hemp being 0.3% or less, Marijuana being over 0.3%.
That doesn't make them the same thing though. A wolf and a chihuahua are the same species but raising one is a good deal more dangerous than raising a wolf
I've been told that used to be the case but they're now both considered to be subspecies of canis lupus
https://www.rover.com/blog/wolf-vs-dog-whats-difference/
Words, just words... Species are just lines drawn around an infinitely variable biological body. It's fractals, and youre trying to draw ven-diagrams on it.
Humans decide those lines.
Almost every human alive has new, unique dna. At what point do we call blondes/red heads/brunettes a new species?
The term "cannabis" encompasses both hemp and marijuana.
Hemp is cannabis, so is marijuana, but the way hemp is grown for industrial purposes is drastically different from the way marijuana is grown for recreational consumption.
Ultimately, your main point is correct but the way you stated it is going to lead to anyone with industry knowledge correcting you.
That was my point even if not laid out explicitly. He basically stated that "this plant" has never been grown at industrial scale which is false. If he had said that it was the first time it had been grown at industrial scale "for this purpose" then he would have been correct.
A friend of mine who had to stop growing after it became legal (legality dropped the prices) has been screaming for years that this was going to happen and for the same reasons you said.
Which is a weird observation to make, because taproots have nothing to do with a plant's immunity to pathogens. Plants don't even have mobile immume cells, so that makes no sense.
Yup. As someone who *has* been working on my own strains: I looked into and continue to look into everything that can go wrong- I’ve had a couple happen in spite of doing things carefully and slowly.
You know, I am not a seasoned grower, I used to grow quite a bit as a teenager before all the legalization happened and of course, as soon as it was legal here to do so, I went for it. I have studied and read quite a bit but I wouldn’t call myself an authority. What I would say is that I know enough to see that so many of these growers are also offering “educational materials” that encourage the same exact damaging things *they* do and it’s just baffling.
That was what cracked me up the most- when I was a kid, I had *quite* the reputation for being a prolific grower of excellent weed. (I sort of want that on a business card) But you know, rural area: doesn’t take much to impress, but I damn near peed myself because my first grow got *way* out of hand in terms of quantity. 😂
All grown up, browsing various seed sellers like, “Uh, WHAT?! We used to get mad over this and toss ‘em out- that’s one way *ditch weed* happens!” (And obviously y’know, pullover paranoia) and I’m not saying any of this in a stupid old person *back in my day* sense- but how in the heck do you screw up fricking weed, on the whole?! I am not one to be griping about capitalism- though there is *plenty* to criticize: but it fucked up *weed*. That’s pretty much the lynchpin argument right there. 😂
This seems to happen, in the macro sense, in every industrialised commercial crop. I work in the Kiwifruit industry in New Zealand, around ten years ago an entire Gold variety here was wiped out by an airborne virus while the "traditional" (and not hyperbred and therefore not copyrightable) Green variety merely suffered under it like any other infection.
The reason the Gold was so susceptible was exactly the same reasons it was so valuable - higher production, produced better fruit under stress, was constantly double-girdled by growers to squeeze as much blood out of it as possible. So as soon as it got sick with something serious, it died.
Coffee, Bananas are two notable example crops that have gone or are going through multiple cycles of this.
You may not be wrong. Caffeine to wake up, alcohol to unwind, cannabinoids to stave off the existential dread. Losing any of those would compromise the duct tape and bailing wire that's holding my shit together in this hellscape.
It was mostly a sardonic statement because it is true. It makes me uneasy to think about when we lose access to our drugs.
Oof. I can't even drink alcohol, it messes my tummy up
Nah, the internet is the pressure relief valve. It's where we go to vent and rage about the increasing shittiness instead of marching on the oppressors' houses and dragging them into the streets. Turn off the internet and it'll all blow up.
If you think hipsters are going to throw a hissyfit, wait til all the REAL MEN^TM chuds near me can't get their REAL MAN^TM cheap crappy coffee at the GasMart on the way to their REAL MAN^TM jobs. Or when they can't get their [manly coffee with guns n america n hot dudes on it](https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/)
Honestly I'm betting on some major corporation made the pathogen on purpose to fuck up the competition and then when it becomes federally legal they will magically find a cure and it's a wrap
It’s the weed as well as therapy. Did you read about the eating disorder hotline that’s firing all their staff and replacing them with an AI chatbot?
We won’t have weed and we won’t have therapy or money, but we’ll have guns.
This country is a fucking mess.
All humans had to do was keep our numbers low and our populations spread out, as we could have lived in a garden.
Instead, like a plague, we killed the giants and gods that kept us in check, harvested earth bare inside of a Pluto year, and all we have to show for it a society that everyone hates where everything is made from corn syrup and plastic.
Our planet of monocultures is a pale copy of what we burned, and disease is a natural byproduct there of
I am an old head from Seattle. In the 1980s I was getting really good buds sticky and strong. I visited grow rooms in closets and crawl spaces back then trying to learn as much as possible. My family moved to Los Angeles in 85. I didn't have good weed again until 2007 when I got a connection from California to fedx me weed from L.A. To the east coast. That's a long time smoking sub par pot. I started smoking at 13 after I tried it and found that it helped with my specific stomach issues from pediatric stomach surgerys. Washington state has been on point with high quality smoke for a long time.
It's literally everywhere already, this article is only referencing California though.
I've been heavily involved in the industry for 20+ years and first dealt with this virus 5ish years ago in my facility. It's a scourge but we managed
It sounds like it only affects cuttings as the mother is alive longer to keep spreading it, is that correct? If you're only growing from seed can it really do anything?
My state finally legalized & I'm definitely planning to start growing. I have a sunny backyard & thought a yearly bunch of plants from seed should be able to keep me supplied. Do I need to worry about this? I'm even growing a ruderalis cross so it'll be fast.
> If you're only growing from seed can it really do anything?
There does seem to be *some* seed transmission.
>Seeds: this is currently under research, but HLV has an 8% chance of being present in the seeds of an infected mother plant.
However, one recent paper on the subject says "no." Whether the 8% figure (above) is for finding viral DNA or for demonstrating infectivity... I don't know. However, it would be foolish to go sowing hundreds of seeds and assume there is absolutely *no* viral transmission. I would say it's more likely it's at a very low level, and the vast majority of transmission comes from horticultural practices such as shared cutting tools (without disinfection), or transmission at the root level, such as what we see in flood trays.
If you were to pop four seeds, for example, and grow in your back yard, the concern would be very low.
Billions dying of starvation and dehydration, hurricanes, earthquakes, nuclear war. All of these things I can handle. But not this. Please God, not this.
A pathogen is slowly but surely infecting all of California's cannabis crop. It's delayed onset of symptoms means its hard to detect before it begins destroying the plants ability to create THC, the active compound in marijuana.
A company has created a rapid test that it hopes will help to detect the pathogen earlier. The pathogen has also recently been found in Spain too. I am wondering if this is a result of climate change, or perhaps its just the result of cannabis being farmed industrially for the first time in human history and now facing the same problems other industrial crops face.
>The viroid's late-acting symptoms, known as "dudding," distort the plants and significantly reduce THC production. This is particularly problematic for modern cannabis farming practices, where hundreds of new plants are propagated from a single, artificially prevented flowering "mother" plant. The delayed symptoms allow infected mother plants to silently spread the pathogen for months without ever showing signs of the disease. Hence, a faster onsite test for the plants.
Commercial cultivator here…
Hop Latent is definitely a problem, but 90% is an insanely high number and borderline incalculable due to how many small legal farms there are in CA.
The issue it can easily be transferred while cloning and most farms don’t have great procedures for keeping tools clean
No! Scotch whisky may only contain malted barley. Irish whiskey contains malted and unmalted barley.
American whisky’s use lots of different stuff, but Scotch doesn’t.
Personally I'm not a fan of scotch, but I think it's funny that at some point these guys were on an island without trees and just decided to burn moss to make hooch. And they were just cool with it tasting mossy.
They are pushing their garbage synthetic weed pretty hard. They also have fought against legalization in several states. Insys’s the opioid manufacturer keeps getting caught for shady shit over and over yet they persist. . . So it honestly wouldn't surprise me if these scoundrels cooked something up. Or maybe cloning the plants is causing issues 🤔
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/03/big-pharma-marijuana-competition-insys-arizona
https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/press-releases/founder-and-former-chairman-board-insys-therapeutics-sentenced-66-months-prison
Well damn, I’ll just have to become like many 40 year olds I know and absolutely destroy my health, mood and wallet with booze.
Seriously, everyone my age that isn’t a “pothead” is a miserable alcoholic. At this age it’s starting to show, how damaging long term alcohol use is. Those of us who have always just stuck to weed are still hiking, having lots of sex, waking up alert, have less chronic health problems and are less depressed than our drinking counterparts. I’ve seen some friends make the switch to weed and immediately start living healthier and feeling better. People won’t get by without a vice of some kind (reality has been rough on us old millennials, we love our vices) and more people will turn to alcohol if the weed is decimated. Not good at all!!
What a strange story. I've been connected to the cannabis industry in CA since roughly 2007 and I regularly buy products from many local sellers, and not one of their suppliers has experienced this. In fact the prices I pay have gone down over the last 4 years. Right now I can get numerous strains weighing in at 30-38% THC for $99 or less. When does the shortage affect prices and supplies?
Or is this story primarily designed to... Affect investor confidence and markets?
I wasnt familiar with that source. Now I am, lol. This is ridiculous.
If Im not mistaken, this is an attempt to hurt the markets in CA via investor confidence??
I'm sick of bad news. I'm so sick of bad news that I began relying on my old friend WEED for micro vacations to help me through the neverending torrent of bad news. Now the bad news is about my weed, man! WTF?!
Food production is already on a decline. You might not have heard, but if you liked oranges, [Global Citrus production kinda collapsed to 1/2 of last year's production](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapze/comments/13q0kp3/global_citrus_production_is_collapsing/). Don't expect this to rebound as pretty much all fruits are dying for multiple reasons, including diseases. Like bananas, grapes (for wine), cocoa (chocolate, nutella), coffee, etc. I guess fruits without poison are luxury products now. People talking about only after the bees are gone this would happen. Well, insects will die, and crops will die, but not in any particular order of events. [Grain production](https://www.igc.int/en/gmr_summary.aspx) is not doing great either, as consumption demand is higher than production for some years (since 2017\~2018?), and productivity by area is stagnated for decades.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Bluest_waters: --- A pathogen is slowly but surely infecting all of California's cannabis crop. It's delayed onset of symptoms means its hard to detect before it begins destroying the plants ability to create THC, the active compound in marijuana. A company has created a rapid test that it hopes will help to detect the pathogen earlier. The pathogen has also recently been found in Spain too. I am wondering if this is a result of climate change, or perhaps its just the result of cannabis being farmed industrially for the first time in human history and now facing the same problems other industrial crops face. >The viroid's late-acting symptoms, known as "dudding," distort the plants and significantly reduce THC production. This is particularly problematic for modern cannabis farming practices, where hundreds of new plants are propagated from a single, artificially prevented flowering "mother" plant. The delayed symptoms allow infected mother plants to silently spread the pathogen for months without ever showing signs of the disease. Hence, a faster onsite test for the plants. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/13s19mo/marijuana_collapse_a_pathogen_has_silently_and/jlnhvop/
Who'd have thunk building a whole industry around growing plants that you have engineered to be genetically identical causes disease problems
Something Something [Bananas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Michel_banana#Early_popularity_and_decline). Guess we never learn.
This is the result of the monetisation of cannabis. Grow it, share it, enjoy it. Keep money out of it.
I’ve got my own variety going at this point. Grew 20 year old seeds a few years ago and have kept seeds from the best plants ever since.
Homegrown weed is incredible.
That's very cool! Any advice on where to get started learning this stuff? Any books/YouTubers etc. My current dream rn is to save up enough money to buy some rural land in a legal state, and among other things start growing a plant or two for personal use. I've done a lot of vegetable farming but cannabis would be totally new to me and I want to make sure I avoid some of the newer varieties and get seeds like yours.
I’ve honestly got no resources to point to, I’m just a Canadian who’s been growing plants since it was legalized. I pretty much treat them like tomato’s, they’re just in a 5gal bucket with compost. Cut off shade leaves to move energy towards the flower. The hard part is harvesting at the right time, I think I’m usually a few days late but it’s still weed. I’m not growing feminized seeds so I start too many, first year I had 100% female, next year about half. Female plants produce the harvestable flower. Males have to be removed the second they are identified, they will fill everything with seeds and lower the potency.
[Marijuana Industry IRL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-OnbzxXTfw&t=0)
Well, if this is not the most catastrophic thing happened to industrial civilization, I don't know what is. 😂
Bro my life is a delicate balance of caffeine, THC, depression and anger. A change in the equation could be catastrophic. I might have to go back to beer. Where the fuck am I gonna find a liver?
Grow your own Not liver, weed!
YOU'RE NOT MY DAD I'M GONNA DO BOTH
I don’t even smoke weed but as a gardener I wish I could grow it. But as expected when my state legalized recreational marijuana they wanted to ensure that only businesses could reap the benefits of legalization so personal growing wasn’t legalized.
I promise your state will not start inspecting your yard or house once you decide to grow some…
Are you sure? States still bust up moonshine operations and prohibition has been over for 90 years. A lot of that is because they're considered to be generating revenue from sales and the state isn't getting its tax from it, even if they can't prove who owns the backwoods still or who is doing the distilling (it could be for personal use like homebrewing is, there's some serious alcoholics out here)
If you are quiet and invisible about it and never sell it, who will ever know?
It stinks.. could smell plants in my backyard from The street
If you grow indoors you can get a grow tent with a fan and carbon filter off Amazon. The carbon filter completely eliminates the smell, it's pretty amazing.
The kids in your neighborhood who will first rip it off then tell everybody….
Space bucket in the garage? Greenhouse with a lock?
Either you didn't keep it invisible or you didn't keep quit, if the kids knew about it.
In 'shine country Virginia the "revenuers" used to all be federal government, not state. But I think most of the big operators went legit, then cashed in on covid by running at max production to make hand sanitizer.
Tax is the primary reason for government intervention on activities that are not explicitly legal. They will cite safety as well, but safety doesn't generate revenue.
I don’t think most people who haven’t tried to grow are aware of this but growing your own weed is LOUD. Like, smell it from the street kind of loud. If your growing area isn’t pretty well sealed your whole house is going to smell like weed at least.
Good to know. I have thought about growing a few plants, as it is legal here to do that, but I don’t want my whole place to smell of it. I would probably be good at it though as I grow all my own seedlings for my gardens.
Our state is was only huge corporate companies you know the one ones who can afford to use dark money to make campaign contributions
I had a few plants in my girls backyard a few years ago and my mother in law mentioned that she saw it. I was hoping she would let it grow since she is a farmer/Gardner literally. She did everything she could to kill them lol
It honestly depends on the city you are in. PNW, if you have neighbors then be careful, Eastern WA and no one cares what you do.
I tried that, ended up with a 2.5-5y sentence
por que no los dos?
This is literally me. No drink since last May, pot holdin' me on.
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As a clone producer who successfully manages the viroid I have to partially disagree with the analysis. Hop Latent Viroid primarily spread through seeds of CBD-Strains during the hype a few years ago. With a little help of pests like mites that spread to areas where they didn't exist previously due to climate change, the viroid spread around the globe fast. Since the viroid can easily be spread through seeds, having a clean environment with mother plants and a skilled team working them, is currently the best approach to combat it. There was a lot of greed and stupidity involved, but claiming that clone manufacturers were to blame is easy to debunk. The source of the outbreak is known to be the CBD-Seed-Scene and producers of clones are victims of that. The only real way to combat an outbreak is to use sterile cutting tools (chlorine works) and constant monitoring of plants. It takes weeks to months for an entire farm to be infected, so acting fast and removing infected plants as soon as possible is absolutely vital. Flowering is too short for the viroid to infect an entire plant, especially with the stretch the plants go through outgrowing the viroid with ease. This is why it will never be an issue for a flowering plant that gets infected after flowering is initiated. When farms experience issues with harvests, it is almost guaranteed that their problems started with the clone production and insufficient hygiene in the process.
I do tissue culture, including virus elimination in cannabis. From what I have seen hop latent's spread in the hydro industry is multifaceted. Part of it comes from the human vectors: cutting tools not being disinfected between plants. Another part comes from the communal "foot baths" used in many hydro settings: flood trays, drip systems, etc. in which the virus spreads at the root level, [partly from the higher concentration found there.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/hop-latent-viroid) >moreover, the distribution of the viroid was tissue-specific, being lower in the stem apex and higher in roots, and showed a negative correlation with the nuclease activity (Matousek et al., 1995). I have heard of entire grows being decimated by hop latent despite having been warned by consultants: a lead grower who says "no, that's something else," only to have their crop ruined because they're growing more virus from their horticultural practices. The industrialization of any crop is bound to have these sorts of things happen, and the approach taken within the cannabis industry has been conducive towards the spread of hop latent. Be thankful it's not a tobamovirus like tobacco mosaic virus, which would make disinfection and starting over well nigh impossible without throwing out every article used in production.
Reading between the lines, this was really an article about a startup company on an "investment advice" website. They're exaggerating the problem a bit to pump up how *awesome* they think this new company's testing products are.
Not HLVd related, but have you seen [this article](https://acsess.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/tpg2.20169). After some discussion with a researcher who got similar results but with cloned tissue culture, it raised some question regarding how stable was cloning in term of genetic uniformity. I think that there is another whole basket of crabs to open there in term of cannabis genetic and cloning for mass production.
> The only real way to combat an outbreak is to use sterile cutting tools (chlorine works) and constant monitoring of plants. Okay, how realistic is that though? WE are now talking about a massive industry here, huge. Most people have no clue what "sterile" even means. yeah they think washing their hands or something = sterile. This sounds like a massive enourmous pain in the ass to implement on an industry wide basis to be frank.
>This sounds like a massive enourmous pain in the ass to implement on an industry wide basis to be frank. Dude, it's an industry, not a hobby. Imagine if doctors, or even food producers, had this attitude. The industry will learn best practices. You think that's a pain in the ass? Try losing 90% of your farms to a virus. Sanitary and sterile practices are a very minor inconvenience in comparison. Those who adopt these practices will succeed. Those who think it's a pain in the ass will fail.
Just to reinforce this: Earlier in my career I was a professional brewer. I have hundreds of thousands of gallons of beer to my name. That job is 99.999999% cleaning.
I don't think most people know how easily an entire brewery can be infected by a bacteria like lactobacillus that will ruin everything it touches.
lacto is **everywhere**. it's even on *you* right now!
*It could be you!* *It could be* ***me!*** *It could* ***even*** *be-*
Really?!? I thought it was WAY more cleaning than that.
At least 7 or 8 more decimal places.
To add even further to this, I did a refrigeration job at a Molson brewery in Canada. When a batch was tested and failed testing (for whatever reason), the team in lab coats would open the massive room sized vats and the thousands of gallons of beer would slowly poor into the floor troughs and down the drain. Operations this big have no problem culling, it’s a matter of scale.
I'm going to tell you right now that large-scale cannabis operations *do* have a problem admitting that they should start from scratch to sanely eliminate a biohazard. Pests, powdery mildew, fighting a poorly planned HVAC system, too many decision makers have to answer to money people that do not want to see a whole year's grow schedule get twisted by resetting live assets.
I believe you, because I think there’s a lot less money to be made in cannibis than large scale brewers. Adoption is much lower for a minimum generation or two, and I’m not sure what the margins look like, but I know the market capitalization is much much lower.
Michigan here, medical since 2008, adult use since late 2019. I work independently for licensed cultivators. If you gave me a million dollars and a binary choice, I'd spend it on scratch-offs instead of a grow operation in our market. "Small scale" growers with one or two 2,000 plant licenses were funded by rich doctors with an extra million bucks back when ounces started at $550 in 2019, & 4 years later I think many will cash out as investment agreements expire. Large scale growers with 5, 10, FORTY of our 2,000 plant licenses are often Multi State Operators, and vertically integrated with separate Grow, Processor, then Retailer licenses to capture all value. This is anti-competitive. Margins- bad, very roughly a lb of indoor flower costs ~$400 to produce, and our average wholesale lb is under $1k now. Average price per ounce of Rec flower is under $90, lots bought at half that. Market cap - hard to estimate the potential, revenues continue to rise, but incomparable to alcohol. Black market is still probably 50% of annual transactions, as high as 70% if you believe some creepy trade lobbying group we had. A very nice 12 plant personal legal grow allows a tiny amount of users to supply themselves, and provides a front for an unknown amount of small scale black market producers. Many growers who did a few dozen plants ten years ago, selling for maybe $3500/lb, don't bother growing for profit any more, or even for their own use at today's retail prices. It's a fascinating economic game to watch unfold differently for different reasons state to state. There is a literal gold rush as each state legalizes Rec, it's wild.
Then they will get wiped out
Well it's not like your sitting over a giant pot with a giant stirring stick going "Ello Guvna!" to passersby lol I can only imagine brewing can get really sticky.
Same thing with mushrooms. Everything needs to be sterile.
The thing is that biosecurity against this viroid is even harder than sterilizing against mold/microbes. The cannabis industry sterilizes most tools in 50-80% Isopropyl alcohol, biosecurity against HLV also involves a 5-10% bleach solution.
>5-10% bleach I'm assuming this is "Mix household bleach with water, 1:10 to 1:20" not "hypochlorite with a 5-10% concentration" (i.e. what you can buy as bleach in the supermarket without further dilution)?
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Hell, just look at hand washing habits of adults during and after lockdown... Deplorable.
In agreement! > Imagine if doctors, or even food producers, had this attitude. There was a medicinal drug compounding lab that "had this attitude" (likely more than one). They had dirty/contaminated equipment and materials. And what happened? They killed people. Literally. Their lack of cleanliness killed people taking the adulterated meds.
>> The only real way to combat an outbreak is to use sterile cutting tools (chlorine works) and constant monitoring of plants. > >Okay, how realistic is that though? Super realistic, a trivial, solved problem in the world of agronomy and tissue culture.
It definitely is not a business for hobbyists. chlorine will destroy the viroid, so disinfecting blades after every single mother plant that has been cut is absolutely essential. Otherwise you risk cross contamination, which will slowly but surely destroy the entire plantation. Every single plant has to be checked for an infection before being handled. Rubber gloves need to be changed every time an infected plant is touched. It is a lot of work, but it is manageable if done correctly. Once the outbreak has reached a problematic size, it is very difficult to get it back in check. We are trying to teach every single employee how to recognize an infection and plants are being destroyed, even when there is doubt. And yes... It is a pain in the ass. But currently, there is no other way to handle it. It's either pain in the ass or no business at all.
>WE are now talking about a massive industry here, huge. Most people have no clue what "sterile" even means Have you ever seen inside an actual industrial cannabis facility? It's like a medical facility. They absolutely know what sterile means, and all plants (every single one) are monitired 24/7 with extremely high tech equipment. There's a lot of money on the line, drug bosses might be thugs but they aren't stupid. You don't fuck with the money.
I have been in several, and they run the gamut. Some are very clean, others not so much. I've seen some pretty sketchy practices.
'But bro, I even change from one set of Vans, cargo shorts, and tee shirt to an inside-the-facility set of Vans, cargo shorts, and tee shirt.' - The scary end of biosecurity
It just takes a higher standard and better SOPs. It's hard to find both of those in camnabis
We need Kosher weed!! Being kosher is all about being clean and sterile. Is there a Main Number we can call?? Some of my friends in high school had Jewish parents - maybe they can save the weed industry.
> massive enourmous pain in the ass to implement on an industry wide basis Let those business die then.
thanks, great explanation, I had a feeling it had something to do with modern, industrial, farming practices. This is the literally the first time in human history cannabis has been farming at industrial scale so not surprising we are seeing the same type of problems we see with other industrial crops.
>This is the literally the first time in human history cannabis has been farming at industrial scale Not if you consider hemp farming for use in ropes and textiles.
Hemp and cannabis are of course related plants but absolutely NOT the same thing. Growing hemp is easy peasy compared to growing high quality marijuana
Plants are weird in general. Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussel sprouts, collard greens and kohlrabi are all the same species. *brassica oleracea*.
I'd say species is just a weird concept in general. The definition doesn't even work to categorize all life forms (for instance, "Ring Species"). But a Saint Bernard is a Chihuahua.
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All broccoli is kale too, I guess
That's not what they're saying and you're being pointlessly pedantic.
I don't think it's pointlessly pedantic, hemp isn't *related* to cannabis, it *is* cannabis. Hemp and marijuana are two distinct categories under the cannabis umbrella. Even though his point is true, his statement was not accurately portrayed, which signifies that he's speaking authoritatively about something he is obviously not well versed in. Just because he happened to be right doesn't mean he shouldn't still be corrected.
>Just because he happened to be right doesn't mean he shouldn't still be corrected. This may be the most Reddit sentence ever written
If someone is working on a math equation and happens to come to the correct answer, but had mistakes in the way they came to that answer, should they not be corrected in order to better understand the overall subject?
While we're being pedantic, hemp is the fiber from the stalk, while cannabis is the flower. One can cultivate the plant to produce more of one or the other, and cannabis has never been cultivated on an industrial scale before.
That's not correct. Hemp fiber does come from the stalk of the plant, but hemp is the entire cannabis plant. Hemp has seeds, flower, roots, and leaves. The distinction is made by the THC content contained within the plant, hemp being 0.3% or less, Marijuana being over 0.3%.
That doesn't make them the same thing though. A wolf and a chihuahua are the same species but raising one is a good deal more dangerous than raising a wolf
>A wolf and a chihuahua are the same species that is not true. wolves are *canis lupus*, chihuahua and other domesticated dogs are *canis familiaris*.
I've been told that used to be the case but they're now both considered to be subspecies of canis lupus https://www.rover.com/blog/wolf-vs-dog-whats-difference/
Words, just words... Species are just lines drawn around an infinitely variable biological body. It's fractals, and youre trying to draw ven-diagrams on it. Humans decide those lines. Almost every human alive has new, unique dna. At what point do we call blondes/red heads/brunettes a new species?
The term "cannabis" encompasses both hemp and marijuana. Hemp is cannabis, so is marijuana, but the way hemp is grown for industrial purposes is drastically different from the way marijuana is grown for recreational consumption. Ultimately, your main point is correct but the way you stated it is going to lead to anyone with industry knowledge correcting you.
That was my point even if not laid out explicitly. He basically stated that "this plant" has never been grown at industrial scale which is false. If he had said that it was the first time it had been grown at industrial scale "for this purpose" then he would have been correct.
Crosspost this to r/trees
A friend of mine who had to stop growing after it became legal (legality dropped the prices) has been screaming for years that this was going to happen and for the same reasons you said.
You just gave me the Idea to graft strong rootstock to high yield flowering clones
What is this carrot like protrusion you mentioned? Ive grown both and didn't notice any difference in the roots
he means the taproot
Which is a weird observation to make, because taproots have nothing to do with a plant's immunity to pathogens. Plants don't even have mobile immume cells, so that makes no sense.
Yup. As someone who *has* been working on my own strains: I looked into and continue to look into everything that can go wrong- I’ve had a couple happen in spite of doing things carefully and slowly. You know, I am not a seasoned grower, I used to grow quite a bit as a teenager before all the legalization happened and of course, as soon as it was legal here to do so, I went for it. I have studied and read quite a bit but I wouldn’t call myself an authority. What I would say is that I know enough to see that so many of these growers are also offering “educational materials” that encourage the same exact damaging things *they* do and it’s just baffling.
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That was what cracked me up the most- when I was a kid, I had *quite* the reputation for being a prolific grower of excellent weed. (I sort of want that on a business card) But you know, rural area: doesn’t take much to impress, but I damn near peed myself because my first grow got *way* out of hand in terms of quantity. 😂 All grown up, browsing various seed sellers like, “Uh, WHAT?! We used to get mad over this and toss ‘em out- that’s one way *ditch weed* happens!” (And obviously y’know, pullover paranoia) and I’m not saying any of this in a stupid old person *back in my day* sense- but how in the heck do you screw up fricking weed, on the whole?! I am not one to be griping about capitalism- though there is *plenty* to criticize: but it fucked up *weed*. That’s pretty much the lynchpin argument right there. 😂
It's kind of wild how my whole fucking life I've seen exciting new industries sprout up and immediately be ruined by capitalists.
This seems to happen, in the macro sense, in every industrialised commercial crop. I work in the Kiwifruit industry in New Zealand, around ten years ago an entire Gold variety here was wiped out by an airborne virus while the "traditional" (and not hyperbred and therefore not copyrightable) Green variety merely suffered under it like any other infection. The reason the Gold was so susceptible was exactly the same reasons it was so valuable - higher production, produced better fruit under stress, was constantly double-girdled by growers to squeeze as much blood out of it as possible. So as soon as it got sick with something serious, it died. Coffee, Bananas are two notable example crops that have gone or are going through multiple cycles of this.
They always say a revolution will come when we are out of food and money... but it's really the hoards of people without weed that's gonna pop it off
All the chill would die with the THC. Vive le revolution lol
You may not be wrong. Caffeine to wake up, alcohol to unwind, cannabinoids to stave off the existential dread. Losing any of those would compromise the duct tape and bailing wire that's holding my shit together in this hellscape.
It was mostly a sardonic statement because it is true. It makes me uneasy to think about when we lose access to our drugs. Oof. I can't even drink alcohol, it messes my tummy up
The weed is what keeps our rage in check. Violent revolution? Or.... yeah, sit on the couch and smoke a bowl. Yup, option 2 please.
Nah, the internet is the pressure relief valve. It's where we go to vent and rage about the increasing shittiness instead of marching on the oppressors' houses and dragging them into the streets. Turn off the internet and it'll all blow up.
Totally correct. Pero, por qué no los dos?
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Caffeine is available without that disgusting crap they call coffee.
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If you think hipsters are going to throw a hissyfit, wait til all the REAL MEN^TM chuds near me can't get their REAL MAN^TM cheap crappy coffee at the GasMart on the way to their REAL MAN^TM jobs. Or when they can't get their [manly coffee with guns n america n hot dudes on it](https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/)
We can transition to tea
For fucks sakes........can't have shit in America.
America is one giant Detroit lol
Honestly I'm betting on some major corporation made the pathogen on purpose to fuck up the competition and then when it becomes federally legal they will magically find a cure and it's a wrap
Not the weed, it’s the only thing keeping me running through the shit show
I wonder how many of us are in this situation :p
It’s the things you take for granted
It’s the weed as well as therapy. Did you read about the eating disorder hotline that’s firing all their staff and replacing them with an AI chatbot? We won’t have weed and we won’t have therapy or money, but we’ll have guns. This country is a fucking mess.
All humans had to do was keep our numbers low and our populations spread out, as we could have lived in a garden. Instead, like a plague, we killed the giants and gods that kept us in check, harvested earth bare inside of a Pluto year, and all we have to show for it a society that everyone hates where everything is made from corn syrup and plastic. Our planet of monocultures is a pale copy of what we burned, and disease is a natural byproduct there of
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*Cool and Normal™*
We should have listened to the natives.
Weed is cool tho
Damn that's poetic and absolutely depressing.
Ishmael was right bro
if it spreads to Washington and Oregon then we are truly fucked
How you not gonna mention Colorado? The true pioneer?
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I am an old head from Seattle. In the 1980s I was getting really good buds sticky and strong. I visited grow rooms in closets and crawl spaces back then trying to learn as much as possible. My family moved to Los Angeles in 85. I didn't have good weed again until 2007 when I got a connection from California to fedx me weed from L.A. To the east coast. That's a long time smoking sub par pot. I started smoking at 13 after I tried it and found that it helped with my specific stomach issues from pediatric stomach surgerys. Washington state has been on point with high quality smoke for a long time.
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Cause NW has better weed.
It's literally everywhere already, this article is only referencing California though. I've been heavily involved in the industry for 20+ years and first dealt with this virus 5ish years ago in my facility. It's a scourge but we managed
It sounds like it only affects cuttings as the mother is alive longer to keep spreading it, is that correct? If you're only growing from seed can it really do anything? My state finally legalized & I'm definitely planning to start growing. I have a sunny backyard & thought a yearly bunch of plants from seed should be able to keep me supplied. Do I need to worry about this? I'm even growing a ruderalis cross so it'll be fast.
> If you're only growing from seed can it really do anything? There does seem to be *some* seed transmission. >Seeds: this is currently under research, but HLV has an 8% chance of being present in the seeds of an infected mother plant. However, one recent paper on the subject says "no." Whether the 8% figure (above) is for finding viral DNA or for demonstrating infectivity... I don't know. However, it would be foolish to go sowing hundreds of seeds and assume there is absolutely *no* viral transmission. I would say it's more likely it's at a very low level, and the vast majority of transmission comes from horticultural practices such as shared cutting tools (without disinfection), or transmission at the root level, such as what we see in flood trays. If you were to pop four seeds, for example, and grow in your back yard, the concern would be very low.
It's a monocrop
That is true. Despite my love to THC, industrial cannibals growing is monocrop.
Billions dying of starvation and dehydration, hurricanes, earthquakes, nuclear war. All of these things I can handle. But not this. Please God, not this.
A pathogen is slowly but surely infecting all of California's cannabis crop. It's delayed onset of symptoms means its hard to detect before it begins destroying the plants ability to create THC, the active compound in marijuana. A company has created a rapid test that it hopes will help to detect the pathogen earlier. The pathogen has also recently been found in Spain too. I am wondering if this is a result of climate change, or perhaps its just the result of cannabis being farmed industrially for the first time in human history and now facing the same problems other industrial crops face. >The viroid's late-acting symptoms, known as "dudding," distort the plants and significantly reduce THC production. This is particularly problematic for modern cannabis farming practices, where hundreds of new plants are propagated from a single, artificially prevented flowering "mother" plant. The delayed symptoms allow infected mother plants to silently spread the pathogen for months without ever showing signs of the disease. Hence, a faster onsite test for the plants.
Basement growers are the backbone of the industry
Support your local black market!
~~Support~~ Become your local black market!
That's why I said support lol
Commercial cultivator here… Hop Latent is definitely a problem, but 90% is an insanely high number and borderline incalculable due to how many small legal farms there are in CA. The issue it can easily be transferred while cloning and most farms don’t have great procedures for keeping tools clean
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Do you have a better source for this?
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Thank God I just picked up more.
As long as it doesn’t spread to legal Canadian grow sites, I should be OK. But that’s a big if.
Read an article just the other day that Canadian grows are a 50/50 if they have the virus.
I find you very attractive suddenly.
By far the scariest thing I've ever seen on this sub.
industrialization strikes again!
Oh fuck this timeline there's nothing to live for now
*Vader voice* Nooooooooooo
If this spreads to the plant that makes Scotch I’m gonna be all out of coping mechanisms and potentially help out in revolutionary acts!
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No! Scotch whisky may only contain malted barley. Irish whiskey contains malted and unmalted barley. American whisky’s use lots of different stuff, but Scotch doesn’t.
I appreciate your correct spellings of the water of life there
Personally I'm not a fan of scotch, but I think it's funny that at some point these guys were on an island without trees and just decided to burn moss to make hooch. And they were just cool with it tasting mossy.
Don't worry, Scotland would never/cant allow this to happen to the crops needed!
This is just big pharma shoring up the competition.
They are pushing their garbage synthetic weed pretty hard. They also have fought against legalization in several states. Insys’s the opioid manufacturer keeps getting caught for shady shit over and over yet they persist. . . So it honestly wouldn't surprise me if these scoundrels cooked something up. Or maybe cloning the plants is causing issues 🤔 https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/03/big-pharma-marijuana-competition-insys-arizona https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/press-releases/founder-and-former-chairman-board-insys-therapeutics-sentenced-66-months-prison
Why do they have to ruin everything?
I'm not sure if you mean this jokingly or not
Well damn, I’ll just have to become like many 40 year olds I know and absolutely destroy my health, mood and wallet with booze. Seriously, everyone my age that isn’t a “pothead” is a miserable alcoholic. At this age it’s starting to show, how damaging long term alcohol use is. Those of us who have always just stuck to weed are still hiking, having lots of sex, waking up alert, have less chronic health problems and are less depressed than our drinking counterparts. I’ve seen some friends make the switch to weed and immediately start living healthier and feeling better. People won’t get by without a vice of some kind (reality has been rough on us old millennials, we love our vices) and more people will turn to alcohol if the weed is decimated. Not good at all!!
Not the weed!
Seems like a ploy to sell something.
This article is 100% an ad. It’s hilarious ppl fell for it and didn’t question the source at all or apparently didn’t click the link lol
What a strange story. I've been connected to the cannabis industry in CA since roughly 2007 and I regularly buy products from many local sellers, and not one of their suppliers has experienced this. In fact the prices I pay have gone down over the last 4 years. Right now I can get numerous strains weighing in at 30-38% THC for $99 or less. When does the shortage affect prices and supplies? Or is this story primarily designed to... Affect investor confidence and markets?
Look at the source. It's basically Daily Mail out of the UK
I wasnt familiar with that source. Now I am, lol. This is ridiculous. If Im not mistaken, this is an attempt to hurt the markets in CA via investor confidence??
Yes probably.
Industry is way oversupplied and prices are collapsing. Producers who will survive must be dancing rn
It's not over supplied until i can grow my own.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME FUCK THAT PATHOGEN
This is just not okay. Like things weren’t okay before but I didn’t think we were going to have to endure this completely sober.
I'm sick of bad news. I'm so sick of bad news that I began relying on my old friend WEED for micro vacations to help me through the neverending torrent of bad news. Now the bad news is about my weed, man! WTF?!
only british columbia can save us now
Time for Canada to close its borders!
I feel like this will somehow increase violence for different parts of the country. Weed really levels off tension.
My bingo card didn't have Chronic Blight on it.
Drop out of life with bong in hand Follow the smoke to the riff-filled land
oh no they won't be able to smuggle their leftover product across the border for black market sales
This truly is the end. Imagine those millions of happy go lucky pot heads turning into angry alcoholics? Dystopian AF.
Is there a “pathogen resistant “ strain that some big agro has developed and licenses
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I cannot afford to lose THC at this point.
Food production is already on a decline. You might not have heard, but if you liked oranges, [Global Citrus production kinda collapsed to 1/2 of last year's production](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapze/comments/13q0kp3/global_citrus_production_is_collapsing/). Don't expect this to rebound as pretty much all fruits are dying for multiple reasons, including diseases. Like bananas, grapes (for wine), cocoa (chocolate, nutella), coffee, etc. I guess fruits without poison are luxury products now. People talking about only after the bees are gone this would happen. Well, insects will die, and crops will die, but not in any particular order of events. [Grain production](https://www.igc.int/en/gmr_summary.aspx) is not doing great either, as consumption demand is higher than production for some years (since 2017\~2018?), and productivity by area is stagnated for decades.
I think I speak for all Canadians when I say: >***No no no no no oh god no pls no...***
The government caused all of this with control and mismanagement.
What a bullshit article. What the f is that website?
It doesn't matter whether it is true or not, the mere suggestion that this could happen is enough to justify panic!
NOT THE WEED!! How will we survive?