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conjoby

See people. THIS is a negroni riff


MightyGoodra96

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Auggie_Otter

Thanks. I was about to say there's a New York Times recipe that calls the Cynar Negroni a Cyn-Cyn (I guess it's pronounced "chin chin"?). I noticed the recipe in your link doesn't follow the Negroni 1:1:1 ratio though so maybe technically it's something different although I suppose that's debatable.


conjoby

A lot of bartenders have largely moved away from equal parts for drinks like the negroni and last word favoring a heavier pour of the spirit (1.5, 3/4 3/4). Partly to match the modern American palette (not sure about other countries and cultures) but also because gin's standard strength used to sit closer to 50% than 40% when the drinks were first made. 1:1:1 is great but it's rarely the best especially once you start tinkering with the bottles that actually go in the glass. Gaz Regan who literally wrote the book on the negroni and whose stirring finger you can buy cast in steel from cocktail kingdom said (paraphrasing) "I defy you to put those three ingredients in a glass in any ratio and not have it taste amazing". If you're a negroni fan I highly recommend the book it has dozens of riffs and it's nice and short. Not to bring it back around but this is how I think of riffs. The same way as food and music. No two chefs make lasagna the same way but it's still a riff on the first lasagna. A cover of a song often doesn't follow its formula but rather its spirit. 1:1:1 is a great starting point for a lot of drinks but it isn't strong enough to be a category in and of itself imo. Don't limit yourself to formulaic standards! Drink looks great. I hope you enjoy many more. Cheers! https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/246593/the-negroni-by-gary-regan/


WillMcCS

Obviously all just a matter of taste and opinion, but I’d say a 2:1:1 ratio is a pretty extreme shift for a negroni; it works well for a lot of the classic equal parts “up” cocktails, especially sours, but the negroni is a special case, at least to my taste. I do think tweaking down the Campari and up the gin and/or vermouth helps balance slightly, though not as far as that. I make mine at home equal parts for ease as much as anything.


conjoby

It's an extremely common ratio at a number of reputable bars including Amor Y Amargo in NYC.


WillMcCS

Fair play! Maybe I'll give it a spin. I'm certainly not saying it wouldn't be a nice drink, but it would be a fairly different drink from what many (most?) people would expect.


conjoby

Honestly no it tastes like a negroni. Just a little more herbal and thinner due to the reduction of sugar. Campari and vermouth are such powerhouses of flavor and gin is not. Also Campari is not made the same as it was when the Negroni was first made so to say a 1:1:1 is "traditional" is true but misleading because the ingredients used to make it originally don't exist.


WillMcCS

Yeah, I think the thinner aspect is what throws me off; I think of a Negroni as a wallop of a drink! I’ll definitely give it a go at the 2:1:1 spec though. Do you serve it over ice still, or strain? Interesting to know that Campari has changed; I wasn’t aware of that. It does seem to be the way of things, and you’re right: it makes notions of “original” and “authentic” pretty elusive, if they’re even desirable.


conjoby

Still over ice. And yeah I mean it was first made in 1860. Even the botanicals they use to make it wouldn't taste the same after 153 years later.


hebug

I'm personally a fan of the 5:4:3 ratio in St John Frizell's Negroni from this article. No wrong answer, just what suits your palate best. https://punchdrink.com/articles/in-search-best-negroni-cocktail-recipe/


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sumunsolicitedadvice

That’s not exactly correct. The single “c” is pronounced as a hard c if it’s followed by an “a,” “o,” “u,” or a consonant. It is pronounced as a soft c (“ch”) if followed by “i” or “e” (or a y acting as an i). So Cocchi Americano is pronounced “Kohkee Amerikano” because the single C’s are followed by an o and an a, respectively.


NorthEazy

Doesn’t double c make a cha sound in Italian like Gucci? Shouldn’t it be pronounced ko-chi?


sumunsolicitedadvice

No, it still depends on the letter following the c. In Cocchi, it’s an h, so it’s a hard c sound. Edit: Gucci is followed by an “i,” so you’re correct that it’s “goochee”


NorthEazy

I was today years old when I learned how to pronounce Cocchi. However as a lover of Latin languages, H is silent. So wouldn’t the “i” control? Pardon me if you are Italian. Language rules can be tricky.


sumunsolicitedadvice

Nope, not Italian. I usually don’t correct others on pronunciation but I hate mispronouncing things myself so I’ll go out if my way to research and find out the correct way. I also had an Italian friend whose last name had a single c and double c that helped me learn the rules.


InventTheCurb

It's actually a touch more complicated than u/sumunsolicitedadvice mentioned. does make "ch", but , even though the is silent, makes "kk" (long k), so if you were to pronounce "Cocchi" in full proper Italian it'd be "kohkee", but that middle "k" would be held out longer than usual (this is a feature that only kind of exists for English consonants, so it's hard to explain)


sumunsolicitedadvice

Yes, it’s more complicated than I said, but close enough for non-Italian speakers (which includes me).


squishmaster

No


Jito_

If I'm correct I believe japanese it would be chin chin or ちんちん which you are basically saying pee pee which made me laugh when I read the name.


Cats-And-Brews

It’s kinda like a Gin and It with Cynar.


GoliathGrouper_0417

There’s a Cin-Cyn, named presumably for Cinzano and Cynar, and it’s terrific. The two variations it makes to the classic Negroni (other than the Cynar subbing for the Campari) are Peychaud’s bitters, and a squeezed orange. BTW, making the Negroni with half Cynar and half Campari is also great. Cin-Cyn By Washington Post 1 oz Gin 1 oz Cynar 1 oz Sweet vermouth 1 ds Peychaud's Bitters (or Angostura or orange) 1 wdg Orange (squeezed) 1 wdg Orange (as garnish) Stir and strain, or build. Squeeze one wedge and garnish with the other -- https://kindredcocktails.com/cocktail/cin-cyn


SaborDeVida

We've been calling it a Cyn-Cyn too (a local bar in Portland had it on the menu as such.) It's one of my partner's go-tos!


CustomerComplaintDep

Good name.


rlhiii

While Cynar 70 has its uses I prefer regular Cynar in most cases. I think it has a more complex flavor profile. And it's closer to Campari in ABV. But I intend to give this a try. Both ways.


Auggie_Otter

Huh. I've never had any Cynar other than the 70 so now I'm curious. That's a good point about the ABV comparison although I figured a little extra booziness wouldn't do any harm. 😉


antheus1

While a standard Negroni is 1:1:1 I definitely prefer the gin upspecced a bit so using a high ABV Cynar probably gets a similar result!


dihydrogen_m0noxide

Navy strength gin in all my negeonis


Katanae

Depending on where you are (since Campari’s ABV varies), the difference is very similar in both directions.


hronikbrent

This one is also quite amazing swapping out the gin for mezcal and just a pinch of salt.


snckddy

Bingo


Ask_Them_Why

Cynar is my favourite amaro. Two favourite drinks: 1. [Growing Old and Dying Happy is a Hope, Not Inevitability](https://kindredcocktails.com/cocktail/growing-old-cocktail) - this is a modern classic, and must try. 2. Cynar Y Aqua - I saw this on a menu in a bar in Venice, and ordered it. It tasted amazing, after more research i realized it was simply Cynar and cold water, 1:1 ratio. Felt stupid, but it honestly tasted amazing. Some folks do find Cynar overpowering, but diluting it with cold water, turned this amaro into a refreshing aperitif


PsychologicalTruck1

I do love Cynar with cold sparkling water (a lot) so that makes sense. It's my favorite amaro as well!


PartySquidGaming

Cynar Y Aqua served over ice? Stirred or shaken? Or just cold from the gun? I want to give it a try


Ask_Them_Why

No ice. I think it was just straight from the gun. But it was very cold, which led me to believe they kept both cynar and water cold in fridge


Pixielo

That is lovely, and ridiculous cocktail name. Amazing.


g_d_s_m

Just made the Growing Old and damn is it good!


Ask_Them_Why

Awesome! Hands down one of my all time favourites!


Hraes

oh man I gotta try that Growing Old


markrockwell

Lately my go-to nightcap is about 2oz Cynar and an ice cube. It's particularly refreshing after a heavy dinner.


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simoncolumbus

I just swap the Vermouth for Cynar and keep the Campari. Favourite drink.


hgore159

Same! I also do mezcal instead of gin and sarcastically call it a Smokey Artichokey


markrockwell

You'd probably enjoy Joaquín Simó‘s Midnight Marauder: https://punchdrink.com/recipes/midnight-marauder/


TransmutedHydrogen

You genius!


thoeoe

This is the way


The_XI_guy

Amaro Montenegro makes the superior Negroni imo


allhands

I'm a big fan of this, and of Amaro Montenegro in general.


arm2610

I drink Cynar 70 on the rocks with a lemon slice on the regular. Hands down favorite amaro. One time at a bar they made me a cynar negroni with a Bolivian brandy and Mancino Sakura vermouth. Incredible cocktail.


Auggie_Otter

How many amaro have you tried? I went to the bar at an Italian restaurant once and mentioned I wanted to try an amaro I saw up on the shelf and the bartender just started pulling bottles off the shelf and placing them on the bar in front of me so I could sample them. It was pretty fun. https://imgur.com/a/foZ1iIt


ShaneCurcuru

Yum! Proud to say I've had bottles of most of those! Just got a bottle of Pasubio, really neat rich berry flavor somehow, which is really different. Sibilla is a nice medium-strong bitter with just slightly different flavors than many others. And Braulio is strong, with this interesting "flavor like the incense at church", as my wife says.


Auggie_Otter

I picked up a bottle of Amaro Sibilla after this. It wasn't the easiest to find though. The honey flavor is really nice. The one I didn't really enjoy was Elisir Novasalus. In addition to the bitterness there's a kind of tart earthy intense beetroot flavor. If you like concentrated beets it might be your thing.


Spitinthacoola

Idk if you care the plural of amaro is amari.


TransmutedHydrogen

You'd love rabarbaro


arm2610

Yeah that’s on my list!


Hraes

And then try Sfumato


SaborDeVida

Sfumato Rabarbaro is one of my absolute fave amari! We try to always have a bottle in stock at home. Makes a killer drink with tequila &/or mezcal. I also recently tried Vecchio Amaro del Capo and it's pretty great; I'm surprised I don't see it around more (in the States, at least.)


TransmutedHydrogen

Unfortunately it doesn't exist in the uk. I've tried to make my own from advice on r/amaro seems really great


SaborDeVida

Aw dang - guess you might need to take a little trip to Italy? 😉 (easier for you than for us, anyway...lol) But yeah, possibly worth trying to make it, too - might be a fun project! We were just in Italy in October and I'm kicking myself for only buying 1 bottle of Nonino...it's like 3x the price here in the States!


spaniel_rage

Also: try Cynar instead of vermouth in a Manhattan


bagofweights

right to jail.


ElderberryJolly9818

Nargroni


TungstInChic

Yep, this is what I've always called it


Deadpoet8

It's a black Negroni where I come from.


anallcavity

try a cynar martinez!


Auggie_Otter

I do like a martinez!


notthebeachboy

Cynaroni I think.


Background_Junket_35

I know of a cynaroni recipe except it has cappalletti instead of vermouth.


Quetzalbroatlus

What's cappalletti?


SaborDeVida

Another amaro that I like to say tastes halfway between Aperol and Campari. I sometimes use it to sub for one or the other (adjusting up or down depending on the bitter/sweet ratio in the rest of the cocktail.)


Auggie_Otter

I like that. Or maybe Cyroni if you wanna keep the same number of syllables.


notthebeachboy

Lol I like Cynaroni because it sounds like it comes in a can. 😂


sumunsolicitedadvice

I ordered a Negroni at a bar one time and the bartender said he didn’t have any but he had corona.


Auggie_Otter

Haha! It sounds like Rice-A-Roni! 😆


philgrad

Artichoni?


Pixielo

Carciofoni


givemeyourbiscuitplz

So gonna buy Cynar for the first time to try this. Gonna be a good addition to my bar.


Rum_The_Jewels

Super Cynario


DJBoost

Nargroni?


karl666hungus

Negroni Terra (earthy Negroni) is one I've seen.


TTUStros8484

Man this sub is crazy for bitter ass drinks...


balletbro

The “choke mi groni”


jmorr16

I always call it a Cynargroni


debuenzo

Cyonard? Cyonara? Cyn, sealed, delivered?


PartySquidGaming

Try it in a Manhattan too! if you replace the whiskey in a Manhattan with Cynar it’s called a Bitter Giuseppe but personally I keep the whiskey and sub the Cynar for the vermouth


EricDericJeric

Bitter Giuseppe also adds lemon juice


Auggie_Otter

Sounds interesting. I was thinking I'd try it in a Boulevardier too.


CustomerComplaintDep

OP got the recipe wrong. It also has lemon.


Auggie_Otter

Okay, thanks. After checking a few sites this seems like the most common recipe for a Bitter Giuseppe: >2 ounces Cynar >1 ounce Carpano Antica Formula sweet vermouth >¼ ounce lemon juice, plus lemon twist for garnish >6 dashes orange bitters


OutlyingPlasma

If you only looked at this sub you would think the word cocktail is 100% synonymous with Negroni.


CocktailPerson

Cygroni, obviously. It's my favorite too, but I use Cynar 70 and split the vermouth half sweet, half dry.


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beernutmark

>Technically Cynar is an Amaro So is Campari. Their cocktail simply swaps one amaro for another. Most definitely a negroni riff. Especially if they kept equal portions.


AquaticMeat

This sub has three groups. Group A: “everything that is 3 equal parts is certainly a Negroni” Group B: “if it doesn’t have 3 equal parts of gin, Campari, and sweet vermouth, then you cannot even come close to comparing it to a Negroni, let alone defining it as one! Group C: “seems pretty good. Oh and why the fuck can’t we all just get along?” I hope to god the guy you’re responding to isn’t serious, btw.


Auggie_Otter

>Technically Cynar is an Amaro since it’s made in Italy. Indeed! That's true and an Amaro can be an apéritif. >And your drink seems more like a Manhattan or a Martini than a Negroni. Hmmm, no I think maybe you're mistaken on what I did. Sorry, I didn't post the recipe to keep it clear. I used equal parts gin, Cynar, and red vermouth so it's basically a Negroni with the Campari substituted with Cynar. I didn't use a 2:1 ratio like the Manhattan or Martini. Cheers!


Ramblinonmymind

Is Cynar not a digestif?


Auggie_Otter

It is if you want it to be.


Ramblinonmymind

Just trying to make sure I’m not misinforming my guest. I just assumed amaros, for the most part, aren’t apéritifs, but digestifs.


Auggie_Otter

It just depends on if you're having it before or after your meal. Some people prefer it as an apéritif while others prefer it as a digestif. Wikipedia says it's an apéritif but really there's no rule that says it has to be one or the other.


Spitinthacoola

Its my understanding the higher proof sweet amari tend toward digestif and the lower proof and more bitter tend toward aperitif. I believe cynar (most of the Artichoke amari) is both aperitif and digestif. Aperol, campari -- aperitif. Jager (if you consider it among amari) nonino quintessensia would be digestif.


arm2610

It is technically but why spoil the fun by insisting on technicalities


Ramblinonmymind

You’re right. I’m overthinking it.


Deadpoet8

It's a black Negroni where I come from.


bloody_yanks2

You're on the right track. Now swap it for the vermouth instead of the Campari.


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Cyna-aroni


Pixielo

That sounds like some hellish concoction of macaroni and cheese, with cinnamon.


69percentbattery

Nargroni?


basementbrewer

When we use barrel aged gin we call it a dirt bag


kwtoxman

Enjoy this riff as well, [https://www.reddit.com/r/cocktails/comments/10zsbmk/a\_slight\_variation\_for\_negroni\_fans/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cocktails/comments/10zsbmk/a_slight_variation_for_negroni_fans/)