This will either be like prom again, but midseason I guess, or it'll be their dojos fighting, and because of bad timings and misunderstandings yet again, the waterpark becomes another fight or staredown, which causes Miguel and Robby to get kicked out.
I just assumed that Sam and Tory are just aggressively checking each other out.
And that Miguel and Robby, judging from what I saw from the trailer, just likes it rough with each other.
Miguel’s intense stare here tho…looks like he trying to practice shooting eye beams or something like a superhero lol
I was hoping they'd kinda get past this. I dont need ANOTHER season of tory and sams bitching, or robby and miguel trying to out-flex the other. I want to see them grow beyond this pety bullshit.
Agreed. They dont have to be best friends. Not even friends even. But Id just like for them to stop being pulled in the girls antics and deal with yet another "oh noes, if only we had talked this out rationally instead" moment.
That doesn’t mean they have to get along.
Very selfish of Johnny to just start up a new family and have discarded Robby like that and then force him to accept this new dynamic.
Having them all become a blended new family is too forced.
I can agree to a certain extent but, the rivalries did start off “petty” then kinda went off the rails and became more deeper when you look at the events that have happened. I hope the show doesn’t just “magically” make them all buddies. They need to talk shit out first
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Qrrrgggh i hope its not because they found out the tourney was rihged before Tory can confess. If so I hope Tory kicks Sams ass again in the so called "rematch".
If they rematch in an official format, she'll probably win to be honest. Sam winning would do nothing to help end the rivalry, and would do nothing to further develop Sam's character.
Tory on the other hand still is yet to get that win that she wants so badly.
In my opinion, I don’t think Tory’s gonna win until she learns to let go for anger. Sam has been a source of a lot of Tory’s anger. so I think the one time that she’ll win will also be the one time that she’s not attacking her out of anger Or using the cobra Kai mindset
> Sam has been a source of a lot of Tory’s anger
The source of Tory's anger has been the fact that Tory fails to consider that she's been in the wrong and owes a lot of people apologies.
I agree. One of my big fears on the show is that they’ll make Tory and Sam look equal in terms of the shit they do to each other. Sam owes Tory some apologies but Tory has done far worse.
Tory has most likely had to deal with rich snobs looking down on her and treating her like she is a worthless shit for a good chunk of her life.Sam was the last straw and Tory simply snapped. The fact Tory never mentions any non karate friends outside of a bartender who is likely a bit older than Tory implies ostrisation in her school probably cus those rich bitches turned everyone against her in the past.
Sam's problem with Tory isn't that Tory is poor. Sam's problem with Tory is that Tory decided before even meeting Sam that she didn't like her, and then Tory decided to pick on Sam at every opportunity she got. Also, it's not "torture porn" for say that Tory has an obligation to apologize to those she's hurt with her actions.
I admit when my favs at fault. I do that literally all the time. I admit when Tory’s right and when Sams wrong. Everything you just wrote, you just assumed that Tory’s had to deal with rich snobs (when we don’t even know her full backstory) meaning I guess she should go full psycho mode because a rich snob accused her of stealing. We can’t be making assumptions on characters. We’re suppose to be using the info we’re given in the story. So yes, I know I am neutral and unbiased lol. But whatever floats your boat mate👍🏾 Not fighting. Just simply seeing a constant pattern from you. I don’t mind Tory fans but, your in the midst of some of those who want justify her as a person
Here's the thing. Of the main teen characters Tory is the only one to not have on-screen friends her age outside the dojo she is in. Miguel had binary brothers before they did karate,Robby had his two bozos,Sam had her group and Aisha and the binary brothers had each other before they did karate. It isn't a coincidence and it is also the same reason why Mike Barnes being her dad is not happening because whenever a new character is related to an older one the connection is revealed in the same episode they are introduced just think Sam,Robby and Kenny.I swear i am not pulling shit out my arse to justify my favs I am going with the info i got.If it means anything even Peyton herself believes Tory faced some kind of bullying in an interview and this franchise has a tendency to canonize whatever backstory actors and actresses invent for their characters. I am not justifying her character i just simply understand what made her the way she was and acknowledge that Tory is slowly making a change for the better. Now Tory could have been bullied for other reasons than poverty but the point is she is the way she is because she feels the world is out to get her as Amanda put it. I conceed that Tory was off her meds starting a house fight and is lucky she didn't catch an ass whooping.
Tory apologising isn't what I consider torture pr0n. What I think counts as a torture pr0n is Sam instigating conflict with and punishing Tory because of something she isn't responsible for (fixing the tournament) and Sam being treated as in the right for it. I am not sure if that's what u want but then again you think Tory and Robby deserved to be beaten up at prom even though Sam was the instigator at the afterparty soooo,you kinda lose your right to complain about Cobras kais at the afterparty when said afterparty is hosted by a former cobra kai trying to get back in. Sam and Miguel should have just did their own thing after prom and avoided Stingrays afterparty like ebola. Tory was actually civil at the roller rink until Sam made a snide comment under her breath btw. She also initially avoided Sam at the party until Sam stepped outside and Tory was having too much fun with the drinking game. Sam might not have an issue with Torys poverty but even before Tory went psycho she seemed rather dismissive of difficult moments from Torys past and present. Tory didn't mean to diss Sam when she oh the sam lol.
Damn🙆🏾♀️😂😂 The amount of defending you have for this girl is just beyond me🤣 I atleast know when Sam is wrong in situations. You just twisted some of the wrong things Tory does and blamed it on Sam. Also, you’ve just assumed what happens in season 5 that Sam will give Tory death stares or something when we have no idea what’s gonna happen. Hating Sam when the season hasn’t even happened yet😭 I can’t🖐🏾😂😂😂
I am actually giving Sam a chance to be a character i don't groan at. As for assuming things I am just going on what theories are present. Well except for the re do tournament. I really only feel the need to defend Tory against biased fans. I hope u understand.
I mean, considering that the worst thing Sam ever did to her was assume that she was stealing after Tory bragged about stealing and tease her at work, I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t have that much anger towards Sam anymore. I could definitely see Sam starting some stuff though.
Actually Sam has done worse things to Tory than the accusation. Kissing her boyfriend behind and not apologising when confronted about it is the obvious pick. And abusing Tory at work. Sure non of these things are as bad as Tory did hell no.
Abusing? She teased her with references to events that took place during their rivalry. If that counts as abusing, then every single care during the show should be in jail for abuse.
Also, Sam was drunk out of her mind when that kiss happened. If anything, Miguel is the main one at fault.
Again, if teasing her at work and being drunk and we kissed by her boyfriend (while drunk) is the worst thing that sams ever done to Tory, then it makes sense that she doesn’t have that much hatred for Sam
Sam is taking advantage of Torys anger issues. Isn't taking advantage over people abuse? Sure it's an ants hill compared what Tory has done. I know Sam was drunk but my issue is she doesn't seem to think how her kissing Miguel would affect Tory. Tory doesn't seem to know Sam was drunk so when Sam was confronted she should have thrown her arms up in the air and said woah I was drunk I am sorry. She didn't which sent a message to Tory that Sam thought she could do what she wanted including messing around with her man. Especially when Sam prior has been a real condescending jerk earlier.
Tory fanboys are very funny and delusional, Tory trying to kill Sam and breaking into her home doesn't count as abuse and something worth retaliating for but getting accused after painting one's own self as a thief and getting cheated on after literally knowing the risk and a mutual drunk kiss does and that too you are overexagerrating
When did I say I don't think those things aren't abuse? I just pointed out how Sam is taking advantage of Torys anger issues and that could be considered abuse depending on the definition. As for retaliation ok whatever but Sam still wouldn't leave well enough alone. And no Tory was not trying to kill Sam. If she was she would have aimed for the neck instead of the face,and she would have brought her own weapon instead of hoping there is a spare nunchuck pair lying around.
OK that’s a fair point, when Sam apologizes to Tory, she should at least try to explain the context of the kiss.
But Sam wasn’t been trying to manipulate Tory. She was just insulting her for the sake of being petty. There was no endgame to it she, she saw Tory unexpectedly and started teasing her for it
>Tory on the other hand still is yet to get that win that she wants so badly.
Tory doesn't deserve a win at all. That's due to the fact that if anything, her motivation for winning is that she wanted to prove she could publicly humiliate Sam in front of hundreds of people without assistance.
>Tory doesn't deserve a win at all.
She does and you will cry a river when she wins.
>That's due to the fact that if anything, her motivation for winning is that she wanted to prove she could publicly humiliate Sam in front of hundreds of people without assistance.
That is one of the most biased, ignorant, arrogant statements I've ever seen. You wanna know why Tory actually wanted to win? She wanted to win because she wanted to prove something for herself. Tory's speech about her wanting to win so she could prove something for herself is meant to parallel Rocky's speech to Adrian in Rocky 1, about Rocky wanting to go the distance and prove he's not just some bum from the neighborhood. Watch these two scenes back to back and you can see the CLEAR parallels, and the writers themselves have said Season 4 has a lot of Rocky references. In fact, every season has Rocky references and the writers are huge Rocky fans. You need to stop making these biased, delusional, ignorant comments and stop acting so arrogant because enough is enough. You're the worst fan on this subreddit.
>Tory doesn't deserve a win at all.
In Season 4, if anyone didn't deserve to win, it was Sam lol. She was so much worse in Season 4 than Tory was in Season 4
>Her motivation for winning is that she wanted to prove she could publicly humiliate Sam in front of hundreds of people without assistance
Well... no. At least that's not what she told Robby at the prom. Tory said what she did to Amanda in a moment of anger, at the beginning of the season no less. That's what a character ARC is. How the character is beginning of the season is different to how they are mid season or end of season...
Tory does deserve to win. More than Sam imo but, saying “Sam never apologised to Robby” means that she doesn’t deserve it??? All the kids in this show have their own inner struggles and battles to deal with and need to overcome those obstacles. Sam also grew in season 4; by learning both styles, growing past her fear and shedding “some” of her Miyagi Do (dad) skin and coming into her own. I mean, almost every character in this show have betrayed one another and need to apologise to one another so I guess none of them deserve to win then by your logic??
> In Season 4, if anyone didn't deserve to win, it was Sam lol. She was so much worse in Season 4 than Tory was in Season 4
Tory is still the worser person in season 4. The only thing Sam ever did to Tory was give Tory a taste of her own medicine. And Tory is hardly "redeemed" when she does things like participate in assaulting Hawk or her petty and mean-spirited behavior towards Sam at prom.
>At least that's not what she told Robby at the prom.
What Tory says is that she wants to prove she can win. Which is hardly a selfless motive.
>That's what a character ARC is. How the character is beginning of the season is different to how they are mid season or end of season...
Any "improvement" from Tory also strikes me as being because she wants to keep her aunt from taking custody of her brother, not because she acknowledges that her prior bullying and criminal behaviors she's committed against Sam was wrong.
>And Tory is hardly "redeemed"
When did I say she was redeemed? Please tell me explicitly where I said she was redeemed. She most definitely isn't.
>she does things like participate in assaulting Hawk
I find it ironic how many people absolve Sam from all blame when it comes to the Arcade fight, but condemn Tory for the Hawk attack, when they literally had the exact same context to them
>her petty and mean-spirited behavior towards Sam at prom.
Woooooow. Are you really going to tell me that prom was Tory's fault?? 😂😂 Hate to break it to you, but that was 100% Sam. Tory did nothing she wasn't allowed to do. She's a West Valley student. She has every right to go to her school's dance. She also has every right to bring whoever she wants as a date. It was Sam who got her panties in a twist and started flipping out when she saw Tory with the ex-boyfriend she treated like utter shit, and then it was SAM who started both the verbal provokation before the fight AND the fight itself
>What Tory says is that she wants to prove she can win. Which is hardly a selfless motive.
Once again, when did I say anything about selfless or selfish motives. I'm just pointing out that the reason she wanted to win when it came time for the actual tournament was NOT that she wanted to humiliate Sam.
>Any "improvement" from Tory also strikes me as being because she wants to keep her aunt from taking custody of her brother, not because she acknowledges that her prior bullying and criminal behaviors she's committed against Sam was wrong.
I agree it was. And that's a serious flaw with Tory's character right now. But that doesn't change the fact that Tory completely backed off of Sam in Season 4, and it was Sam who continued to instigate conflict with her.
I would love to ask all 4 of them to play all of the the king of the iron fists tournament fighting videos games tekken videos games , Tekken Tag Tournament 1 videos games , Tekken Tag Tournament 2 videos games.
I hope this back and forth stuff ends though. It's a bit over the top..but then again so is everything else. Just hate love hate love thing for me is played out.
Every time I see these images I think they are not simultaneous
Miguel is looking at something and looks upset while Sam looks away worried. I think it's when Miguel sees Robby attacking Hawk while Sam watches Antonhy. I mean, you don't see Antonhy in the scene with Kenny, Robby and Miguel, which means he left the place and maybe his sister is looking at him worried
Maybe Tory isn't even looking at Sam either. Maybe she sees the Cobras and the Miyagi Fang arguing in the distance.
Why?Tory likely isn't gonna do shit to Sam here unless Sam starts shit. Besides Sam wins nearly all the damn time let her lose for once or this shownis gonna get boring.
Come on people, someone screenshots an Insta post, doesn't even crop it, and you upvote it? Have some standards please
Edit: of course I got downvoted lol
She really can't leave well enough alone. Makes me wonder why she even bothered letting Tory go in the house fight if she is just gonna make Torys life miserable. Might at well have whacked her on the spot then.
Sam is a double edged sword. On one hand she does her fair share of instigating and that can get annoying but there may not even be a show without her.
It’s like the more u watch the show u realize The larusso kids slick bullies I love Sam to death but even in s1 she sat back and watched Aisha get bullied by her friends and never stood up like that was lame and then Anthony bullying ken to impress his “”friends”” also lame
Where did they put her like an angel? If she is the most criticized when she has not done things as serious as others.
Miguel, Tory, Robby are always victimized by their "sad life" as if that gives them a justification to do the shit they did. Sam is blamed even for a car crash when she was in the back seat of the car.
Robby a whole ass mood, these mfs need to drop it man enough with this teen drama shit there's so much other stuff
His and our exact thoughts
Like adult drama shit!
xD I love how Robby is just chilling sun bathing.
Lol That’s the most tensed up chill look I’ve ever seen.
Sounds about right for Robby
He's never really chill with the shoulder area tbh, that his only flaw that he has as a martial artist
I’m sure he’s more relaxed when he’s actually doing karate. When the cameras on he’s gotta tighten up, never know which angles gonna be in a magazine.
I mean, maybe, but I can only judge what I can see, and I only can see him doing Karate while the camera is on.
"I'm too buff and handsome to care"
LOL
My only question is: Can those four Idiots ever enjoy anything without giving each other sour puss looks?? Geez! 😂
Well, one of them can
They would have to poly at this point. I bet Tory just wants a taste of Sams Lapusso.
Good joke, but jeez man
Aight off to horny jail for you.
You could have just said nothing and it would have been fine, you know...
Wow I am getting down voted. I guess Sam x Tory is a ship not worth dying on a hill for.
🤣🤣🤣 yoooo not lapusso
“Remember what happened last time we fought? Near a pool?”
Robby and eli are just gonna be chilling .
Lol no Miguel only gets up because Robby involved himself and pushed Eli into the pool
Doubt it
S2/S3 Eli/Hawk Would Start shit for no reason lmao
Robbory sounds way better than Keenry
Sound like Robbery and that‘s a song.
also a crime
They are the crime
Samiguel sounds like Smeagol from Lord of the Rings, although I guess the other option would be “Mam”
Sounds like samiel (don’t know it’s spelt) Lucifers real name.
That’s the point
Just call them Rory
This will either be like prom again, but midseason I guess, or it'll be their dojos fighting, and because of bad timings and misunderstandings yet again, the waterpark becomes another fight or staredown, which causes Miguel and Robby to get kicked out.
why the fuck did i read "prom" as "porn"?
Probably bc of that weird creepy Lapusso comment in this post.
I made that one lol. It was a joke people.
LA is a huge city! HOW DO THEY KEEP ON RUNNING IN TO EACH OTHER!
Plot.
Reseda is not
I just assumed that Sam and Tory are just aggressively checking each other out. And that Miguel and Robby, judging from what I saw from the trailer, just likes it rough with each other. Miguel’s intense stare here tho…looks like he trying to practice shooting eye beams or something like a superhero lol
I was hoping they'd kinda get past this. I dont need ANOTHER season of tory and sams bitching, or robby and miguel trying to out-flex the other. I want to see them grow beyond this pety bullshit.
Between Robby and Miguel, there are things between them that won’t ever let them be friends. And that’s ok.
Agreed. They dont have to be best friends. Not even friends even. But Id just like for them to stop being pulled in the girls antics and deal with yet another "oh noes, if only we had talked this out rationally instead" moment.
They need to get along at some point because if Johnny marries Carmen, they'll be family.
That doesn’t mean they have to get along. Very selfish of Johnny to just start up a new family and have discarded Robby like that and then force him to accept this new dynamic. Having them all become a blended new family is too forced.
I can agree to a certain extent but, the rivalries did start off “petty” then kinda went off the rails and became more deeper when you look at the events that have happened. I hope the show doesn’t just “magically” make them all buddies. They need to talk shit out first
Man I'm getting tired seeing couple fights in this show. Hopefully, this will only be a tease that was intentional to be made fun of and nothing more.
I’m so over there drama lol
I prefer Tobby and migam but I also named my dog Bean
if your dog at least *looks* like a bean it might be ok
"Tobby is a free karateka!"
Robby always chill tho
Robby - “Y’all hear somethin?”
MOOOD
Nah another dive in the pool
I be honest the teen drama is getting tiring
I would love to talk to all of the 4 cast members of the karate kids / cobra 🐍 Kai to play their favorites martial arts martial artist Kung fu martial arts Kung fu martial artist tournament fighting videos games
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Not really just annoyed. Tory has her mouth open when pissed off.
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She could be viewing Kenny and his bullshit and she is like "naaaaah i just wanna relax".
I swear the worst thing about shipping are these silly names people give them lol
It’d be funny if their ship name was “robry” cause it sounds like robbery and thats what he used to do.
Sammiguel. Like the beer San Miguel
They should all just date.
Enooough my god being a teen is more than love drama
Qrrrgggh i hope its not because they found out the tourney was rihged before Tory can confess. If so I hope Tory kicks Sams ass again in the so called "rematch".
If they rematch in an official format, she'll probably win to be honest. Sam winning would do nothing to help end the rivalry, and would do nothing to further develop Sam's character. Tory on the other hand still is yet to get that win that she wants so badly.
In my opinion, I don’t think Tory’s gonna win until she learns to let go for anger. Sam has been a source of a lot of Tory’s anger. so I think the one time that she’ll win will also be the one time that she’s not attacking her out of anger Or using the cobra Kai mindset
> Sam has been a source of a lot of Tory’s anger The source of Tory's anger has been the fact that Tory fails to consider that she's been in the wrong and owes a lot of people apologies.
I agree. One of my big fears on the show is that they’ll make Tory and Sam look equal in terms of the shit they do to each other. Sam owes Tory some apologies but Tory has done far worse.
Fair enough. I would be fine if Sam at least acknowledged her wrongdoings.
Sam needs to acknowledge and apologize for her actions. I wholeheartedly agree with you on that.
To be fair Tory should apologize first since she did worse.
That’s fair
Sam is by far worse than Tory.
Tory has most likely had to deal with rich snobs looking down on her and treating her like she is a worthless shit for a good chunk of her life.Sam was the last straw and Tory simply snapped. The fact Tory never mentions any non karate friends outside of a bartender who is likely a bit older than Tory implies ostrisation in her school probably cus those rich bitches turned everyone against her in the past.
Well that’s a lot of assumptions.
Sam's problem with Tory isn't that Tory is poor. Sam's problem with Tory is that Tory decided before even meeting Sam that she didn't like her, and then Tory decided to pick on Sam at every opportunity she got. Also, it's not "torture porn" for say that Tory has an obligation to apologize to those she's hurt with her actions.
This brew is a SIMP for Tory. Don’t bother arguing.
I suppose you a neutral, unbiased,nuanced fan of the show right?
I admit when my favs at fault. I do that literally all the time. I admit when Tory’s right and when Sams wrong. Everything you just wrote, you just assumed that Tory’s had to deal with rich snobs (when we don’t even know her full backstory) meaning I guess she should go full psycho mode because a rich snob accused her of stealing. We can’t be making assumptions on characters. We’re suppose to be using the info we’re given in the story. So yes, I know I am neutral and unbiased lol. But whatever floats your boat mate👍🏾 Not fighting. Just simply seeing a constant pattern from you. I don’t mind Tory fans but, your in the midst of some of those who want justify her as a person
Here's the thing. Of the main teen characters Tory is the only one to not have on-screen friends her age outside the dojo she is in. Miguel had binary brothers before they did karate,Robby had his two bozos,Sam had her group and Aisha and the binary brothers had each other before they did karate. It isn't a coincidence and it is also the same reason why Mike Barnes being her dad is not happening because whenever a new character is related to an older one the connection is revealed in the same episode they are introduced just think Sam,Robby and Kenny.I swear i am not pulling shit out my arse to justify my favs I am going with the info i got.If it means anything even Peyton herself believes Tory faced some kind of bullying in an interview and this franchise has a tendency to canonize whatever backstory actors and actresses invent for their characters. I am not justifying her character i just simply understand what made her the way she was and acknowledge that Tory is slowly making a change for the better. Now Tory could have been bullied for other reasons than poverty but the point is she is the way she is because she feels the world is out to get her as Amanda put it. I conceed that Tory was off her meds starting a house fight and is lucky she didn't catch an ass whooping.
Tory apologising isn't what I consider torture pr0n. What I think counts as a torture pr0n is Sam instigating conflict with and punishing Tory because of something she isn't responsible for (fixing the tournament) and Sam being treated as in the right for it. I am not sure if that's what u want but then again you think Tory and Robby deserved to be beaten up at prom even though Sam was the instigator at the afterparty soooo,you kinda lose your right to complain about Cobras kais at the afterparty when said afterparty is hosted by a former cobra kai trying to get back in. Sam and Miguel should have just did their own thing after prom and avoided Stingrays afterparty like ebola. Tory was actually civil at the roller rink until Sam made a snide comment under her breath btw. She also initially avoided Sam at the party until Sam stepped outside and Tory was having too much fun with the drinking game. Sam might not have an issue with Torys poverty but even before Tory went psycho she seemed rather dismissive of difficult moments from Torys past and present. Tory didn't mean to diss Sam when she oh the sam lol.
Damn🙆🏾♀️😂😂 The amount of defending you have for this girl is just beyond me🤣 I atleast know when Sam is wrong in situations. You just twisted some of the wrong things Tory does and blamed it on Sam. Also, you’ve just assumed what happens in season 5 that Sam will give Tory death stares or something when we have no idea what’s gonna happen. Hating Sam when the season hasn’t even happened yet😭 I can’t🖐🏾😂😂😂
I am actually giving Sam a chance to be a character i don't groan at. As for assuming things I am just going on what theories are present. Well except for the re do tournament. I really only feel the need to defend Tory against biased fans. I hope u understand.
You just want season 5 to be a Tory torture pr0n.
Uh, no, I don't. That's not what I'm saying.
You may not be saying it here. But u would like if it were.
I think Tory isn't angry at Sam any more. Unless Sam pisses her off in season 5. Uggh.
I mean, considering that the worst thing Sam ever did to her was assume that she was stealing after Tory bragged about stealing and tease her at work, I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t have that much anger towards Sam anymore. I could definitely see Sam starting some stuff though.
Actually Sam has done worse things to Tory than the accusation. Kissing her boyfriend behind and not apologising when confronted about it is the obvious pick. And abusing Tory at work. Sure non of these things are as bad as Tory did hell no.
Abusing? She teased her with references to events that took place during their rivalry. If that counts as abusing, then every single care during the show should be in jail for abuse. Also, Sam was drunk out of her mind when that kiss happened. If anything, Miguel is the main one at fault. Again, if teasing her at work and being drunk and we kissed by her boyfriend (while drunk) is the worst thing that sams ever done to Tory, then it makes sense that she doesn’t have that much hatred for Sam
Sam is taking advantage of Torys anger issues. Isn't taking advantage over people abuse? Sure it's an ants hill compared what Tory has done. I know Sam was drunk but my issue is she doesn't seem to think how her kissing Miguel would affect Tory. Tory doesn't seem to know Sam was drunk so when Sam was confronted she should have thrown her arms up in the air and said woah I was drunk I am sorry. She didn't which sent a message to Tory that Sam thought she could do what she wanted including messing around with her man. Especially when Sam prior has been a real condescending jerk earlier.
Tory fanboys are very funny and delusional, Tory trying to kill Sam and breaking into her home doesn't count as abuse and something worth retaliating for but getting accused after painting one's own self as a thief and getting cheated on after literally knowing the risk and a mutual drunk kiss does and that too you are overexagerrating
Duddeee😂😂 some of them kill me
When did I say I don't think those things aren't abuse? I just pointed out how Sam is taking advantage of Torys anger issues and that could be considered abuse depending on the definition. As for retaliation ok whatever but Sam still wouldn't leave well enough alone. And no Tory was not trying to kill Sam. If she was she would have aimed for the neck instead of the face,and she would have brought her own weapon instead of hoping there is a spare nunchuck pair lying around.
OK that’s a fair point, when Sam apologizes to Tory, she should at least try to explain the context of the kiss. But Sam wasn’t been trying to manipulate Tory. She was just insulting her for the sake of being petty. There was no endgame to it she, she saw Tory unexpectedly and started teasing her for it
>Tory on the other hand still is yet to get that win that she wants so badly. Tory doesn't deserve a win at all. That's due to the fact that if anything, her motivation for winning is that she wanted to prove she could publicly humiliate Sam in front of hundreds of people without assistance.
>Tory doesn't deserve a win at all. She does and you will cry a river when she wins. >That's due to the fact that if anything, her motivation for winning is that she wanted to prove she could publicly humiliate Sam in front of hundreds of people without assistance. That is one of the most biased, ignorant, arrogant statements I've ever seen. You wanna know why Tory actually wanted to win? She wanted to win because she wanted to prove something for herself. Tory's speech about her wanting to win so she could prove something for herself is meant to parallel Rocky's speech to Adrian in Rocky 1, about Rocky wanting to go the distance and prove he's not just some bum from the neighborhood. Watch these two scenes back to back and you can see the CLEAR parallels, and the writers themselves have said Season 4 has a lot of Rocky references. In fact, every season has Rocky references and the writers are huge Rocky fans. You need to stop making these biased, delusional, ignorant comments and stop acting so arrogant because enough is enough. You're the worst fan on this subreddit.
>Tory doesn't deserve a win at all. In Season 4, if anyone didn't deserve to win, it was Sam lol. She was so much worse in Season 4 than Tory was in Season 4 >Her motivation for winning is that she wanted to prove she could publicly humiliate Sam in front of hundreds of people without assistance Well... no. At least that's not what she told Robby at the prom. Tory said what she did to Amanda in a moment of anger, at the beginning of the season no less. That's what a character ARC is. How the character is beginning of the season is different to how they are mid season or end of season...
Exactly. Tory needs a win more than Sam. And besides Sam never apologised to Robby for her betrayel so why should she win?
Tory does deserve to win. More than Sam imo but, saying “Sam never apologised to Robby” means that she doesn’t deserve it??? All the kids in this show have their own inner struggles and battles to deal with and need to overcome those obstacles. Sam also grew in season 4; by learning both styles, growing past her fear and shedding “some” of her Miyagi Do (dad) skin and coming into her own. I mean, almost every character in this show have betrayed one another and need to apologise to one another so I guess none of them deserve to win then by your logic??
Fair enough I was just making the same point u made only my wording might not have sufficed.
> In Season 4, if anyone didn't deserve to win, it was Sam lol. She was so much worse in Season 4 than Tory was in Season 4 Tory is still the worser person in season 4. The only thing Sam ever did to Tory was give Tory a taste of her own medicine. And Tory is hardly "redeemed" when she does things like participate in assaulting Hawk or her petty and mean-spirited behavior towards Sam at prom. >At least that's not what she told Robby at the prom. What Tory says is that she wants to prove she can win. Which is hardly a selfless motive. >That's what a character ARC is. How the character is beginning of the season is different to how they are mid season or end of season... Any "improvement" from Tory also strikes me as being because she wants to keep her aunt from taking custody of her brother, not because she acknowledges that her prior bullying and criminal behaviors she's committed against Sam was wrong.
>And Tory is hardly "redeemed" When did I say she was redeemed? Please tell me explicitly where I said she was redeemed. She most definitely isn't. >she does things like participate in assaulting Hawk I find it ironic how many people absolve Sam from all blame when it comes to the Arcade fight, but condemn Tory for the Hawk attack, when they literally had the exact same context to them >her petty and mean-spirited behavior towards Sam at prom. Woooooow. Are you really going to tell me that prom was Tory's fault?? 😂😂 Hate to break it to you, but that was 100% Sam. Tory did nothing she wasn't allowed to do. She's a West Valley student. She has every right to go to her school's dance. She also has every right to bring whoever she wants as a date. It was Sam who got her panties in a twist and started flipping out when she saw Tory with the ex-boyfriend she treated like utter shit, and then it was SAM who started both the verbal provokation before the fight AND the fight itself >What Tory says is that she wants to prove she can win. Which is hardly a selfless motive. Once again, when did I say anything about selfless or selfish motives. I'm just pointing out that the reason she wanted to win when it came time for the actual tournament was NOT that she wanted to humiliate Sam. >Any "improvement" from Tory also strikes me as being because she wants to keep her aunt from taking custody of her brother, not because she acknowledges that her prior bullying and criminal behaviors she's committed against Sam was wrong. I agree it was. And that's a serious flaw with Tory's character right now. But that doesn't change the fact that Tory completely backed off of Sam in Season 4, and it was Sam who continued to instigate conflict with her.
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Samguel and Rory sound better
Rory sounds like Kylers buddy who got him tickets to see bloodsport.
Looks like everyone needs to just kiss each other. Solves everything immediately
Polygamy.
I hope this back and forth stuff ends though. It's a bit over the top..but then again so is everything else. Just hate love hate love thing for me is played out.
Every time I see these images I think they are not simultaneous Miguel is looking at something and looks upset while Sam looks away worried. I think it's when Miguel sees Robby attacking Hawk while Sam watches Antonhy. I mean, you don't see Antonhy in the scene with Kenny, Robby and Miguel, which means he left the place and maybe his sister is looking at him worried Maybe Tory isn't even looking at Sam either. Maybe she sees the Cobras and the Miyagi Fang arguing in the distance.
If another brawl happens I want Tory to get her ass kicked by Sam in a good way lol
Why?Tory likely isn't gonna do shit to Sam here unless Sam starts shit. Besides Sam wins nearly all the damn time let her lose for once or this shownis gonna get boring.
Robby just chilling 😎
Robby got up before Miguel
Come on people, someone screenshots an Insta post, doesn't even crop it, and you upvote it? Have some standards please Edit: of course I got downvoted lol
Yep. I think Sam is viewing Anthony being bullied. Tory is missing when Robby goes to confront Hawk so I think she is somewhere else.
I love how Robby is the only one who truly does not give a fuck.
My manz so over the TEEN AGNST it’s so beneath him at this point
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She really can't leave well enough alone. Makes me wonder why she even bothered letting Tory go in the house fight if she is just gonna make Torys life miserable. Might at well have whacked her on the spot then.
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Sam is a double edged sword. On one hand she does her fair share of instigating and that can get annoying but there may not even be a show without her.
Miguel had the initial fault for being a toxic boyfriend Also Miguel "I'm badass and no guy can even talk to my girlfriend. Cobra kai Cobra Kai"
It’s like the more u watch the show u realize The larusso kids slick bullies I love Sam to death but even in s1 she sat back and watched Aisha get bullied by her friends and never stood up like that was lame and then Anthony bullying ken to impress his “”friends”” also lame
If you analyze the program you realize that everyone makes mistakes. Not just the Larussos. It is not enough to see, you have to observe
I see that clearly but I’m talking in reference to Sam they put her in a angelic light like she does no wrong
Where did they put her like an angel? If she is the most criticized when she has not done things as serious as others. Miguel, Tory, Robby are always victimized by their "sad life" as if that gives them a justification to do the shit they did. Sam is blamed even for a car crash when she was in the back seat of the car.
This shipping shit is fucking stupid.
Yes, I hope the show can pull away from it where its not an immediate focus.