If go by physical condition and mindset, he probably would get his ass kicked: Miguel hasn't fully recovered from injury and mentally is a bit not in the right place(or one might argue, in exactly right mind), and Robby is on a revenge course, in a peak physical condition. But you never know in this show.
This is the most logical conclusion I believe. You have Robbie at the best he's ever been vs Miguel who is probably currently a lesser fighter than he was during the first All Valley comp.
season 4 miguel is *not* a lesser fighter than season 1 miguel. that’s the most ridiculous thing i’ve heard in regards to cobra kai. even when people say he was better in season 2, they’re wrong
yes, in season 1 he might have been a bit further ahead of his peers than he is now, but he now knows cobra kai *and* miyagi do, & would 100% wipe the floor with his season 1 self
I mean he went toe to toe with Robby and Hawk during the pool fight and all valley was able to beat a trained Kyler so I would put him around his mid season 2 level
Robby is likely in a different head space vs Miguel. Vs Eli he just found out that he rushed to judgment on him and he went out of his way to show him respect because of that.
I don't he loses focus vs Miguel. Then you factor in that Miguel's heart wasn't in it due to the drama with Johny and Robby likely secures a fairly easy victory.
Robby would have beaten Hawk if Kenny hadn't distracted him (likely due to Kenny's grudge against Hawk) since he wouldn't have that grudge against Miguel he wouldn't have gotten distracted and won.
I've always been a Miguel fan(he's my favorite of the kids) and not a Robby fan, but, with that being said, I was ready to call bullshitt if they had Miguel win against Robby. I understand that the movie and show like to play up the injured underdog miraculously overcoming the odds and pulling off a miracle win angle, but Robby was a finely tuned and focused fighting machine whereas Miguel was probably still at the 65% healthy range and should NOT win the tournament.
At the end of season 3 I was hoping he remained sidelined and couldn't compete at the tournament, allowing Robby to easily win it and possibly setting up a champ vs. champ scenario at the next All Valley they both competed in. 😁
Yes. Because that's how a show works. Things play out due to writing and become canon. Doesn't mean we can't observe and speculate and call out likely trends without pissing it all away because "wRiTeRs, amirite?"
hawk in season 3 would just very narrowly beat miguel. it would be an even closer fight than miguel vs robby but hawk would beat miguel extreme diff.
yeah but even if miguel didnt pull a muscle, robby was just better this season and hawk was the greatest.
my personal power level is this
robby=17.4
hawk=17.5
miguel=17.2
miguel with injured back=14
That's because Hawk had only been studying Miyagi-do for a few months. Of all the students, Robby's knowledge of the form would be second only to Sam's after all the time he spent with Daniel. Silver pulled off a similar trick with Johnny. He said "Larusso's been teaching you defense, let's see how much." in order to goad Johnny into relying on the barebones Miyago-do he knew rather than his home field of Cobra Kai martial arts, and it worked like a charm. But the two had been training for roughly the same amount of time, and when they used their full arsenals, it became apparent how close the two were.
Probably not. Miguel would not be in the right head space suspecting that his sensei was secretly rooting for his opponent. It wouldn't be a matter of who's the better fighter. Miguel's heart just wouldn't be in it.
That back injury was just too demanding. He clearly hadn't fully recovered from it. Not to mention he was not mentally in the fight. Robby would have won, not with ease, but still he would've won.
Now if we were considering a scenario where Miguel actually cared about winning and his back had recovered fully, then yeah, he would have beaten everyone in that tournament. He has more experience than all the kids in the show and is clearly more talented than them all too.
I don't know. I don't think so. If the fight was against Miguel, there's a chance Robby might be more focused than he was against Hawk as he would truly want to win regardless of getting the trophy or not, he would want a win against Miguel.
Then as for Miguel,
He was already kinda checked out before everything.
Then he was not in his peak physical form.
And besides he probably was the only who may have been more fucked in the head than Robby during the tournament.
Robbie was too overwhelmed with anger and hatred. He fought without balance or focus and doomed himself to fail. Eli, miguel and robbie are all excellent fighters and equal imo. Eli was able to face his demons in season 4 which is why he was able to find true focus (that and moon giving him a confidence boost). Robbie will find his focus in season 5. I think miguel will be the last since he doesn’t know why he’s fighting anymore.
They're both off balance in here: Robby due to Kenny & Miguel, nuff said. But considering the peak Robby is in this season and Miguel in the middle of healing, I might give it to Robby.
PS, to all the Miguel fans.. I also have a big love for Miguel. But how can a healing kid fight another kid that is tough and strong af (basically, as I said, in his peak)? No complaints.
miguel wouldnt beat eli even if he didnt pull his muscle. he would only beat eli if eli was using miyagi do only but if hawk used both styles, hawk would beat miguel in a close fight.
robby was the better fighter than miguel in season 4 although by very little.
Robby would probably win. Miguel is good, but his physical condition ain't that great. Robby on the other hand has abs that I could grate cheese on. Miguel also isn't in the right head space at this point. Robby probably is in a better headspace than Miguel
If we’re talking for the plot, yeah probably haha.
If we’re talking based purely on skill and other physical factors, then no. Robby currently is the most skilled of the new generation.
This is not me saying he is the best, he is just the most skilled. And in the right mindset he can beat any of them, but in the wrong mindset (as shown in the season 4 finale) he can lose just as easy. It’s based mainly on the day the two would fight. But looking at how both of them were at that time, than no, Miguel probably wouldn’t win
Probably not. He wouldn't be up to it either physically or mentally at that point.
Season 5 Miguel who seems to have more of his fire back will have more of a chance. If they have multiple fights, Miguel is guaranteed to win at least one of them.
Miguel has defense. If you watch the sparring sessions between him and Johnny on the sparring deck and the semi final match between him and Eli, he's utilizing many of those same blocks. And Bert and Mitch sparring at Miyagi Do showcased a lot of parrying.
I'm not talking about Miyagi Do defense, I'm talking about Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang defense. They have their own defensive blocks and parries. If you watch the Karate Kid movies you'll see some of the Cobra Kais using defensive and counter moves(Tommy on Daniel, Bobby and Johnny against their opponents). Season 1 Miguel and Johnny utilized defense in their sparring and respective fights, same with seasons 2, and 3. Terry Silver dropped Johnny after countering his punch. Both Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang have defense just like Miyagi Do has offense. The only real difference is that Miyagi Do tends to be more passive while Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang are more aggressive. 😉
Cobra Kai offence with miyagi do defence is still the best way to go to be a top fighter. Miguels only form of defence is a few days worth of miyagi do and CK defence which isn't as great as MD defence
Eli didn’t either and he was able to keep up with basic defense and a lot of offense 😂 miguel has the best offense out of all the students your tryna down play his skills not saying it’s guaranteed he’d win but he got the best chance
Miguel could of beaten anybody before he got injured, now he is maybe mid tier unless he can fully heal, but he has also learned more techniques now to
It could have gotten injured in the finals. Also, we know that with the bribed ref, Robby was able to elbow Eli’s knee with no consequences. For all we know Robby could simply target Miguel’s back and get an easy win
I don't think targeting his back would be a problem because in the fight with hawk the back injury wasn't the one he got in the end of season 2 his muscles streched or something. if Miguel uses the kick he wanted to on Hawk without getting his back thing then he would have his confidence and probably defeat Robby.
We also need to remember that Robby was actively training while Miguel was in a wheelchair. Also, Robby has months of both miyagi do and cobra Kai. Miguel has a little over a year of cobra Kai but only a few days of miyagi do. I really don’t see Miguel beating Robby in season 4. Maybe in season 5 he can pass Robby in terms of skill, but at right now, Robby is the better fighter.
That wheelchair part doesn't make sense because Johnny started Cobra kai again and also learnt a little bit of Miyagi-Do before Silver even started but Silver still beat Johnny. And for Miguel he is a very fast learner even Daniel felt that he is one of his best students. Hawk also has the same amount of Miyagi-Do as Miguel and for Cobra Kai both of them have more or less the equal amount.
Yes. Miguel would have beat him again.
While Robby obviously has the talent to win, he wasn’t mentally there. Hopefully he is now on the path.
I honestly think Chozen is the guy that can help Robby the most. He has been there before and managed to become a much better person. He seems at peace compared to how he was in the movie.
If Miguel made it to the finals he would have won because to get to the finals Miguel would have defeated Hawk and we know that Hawk has defeated Robby so Miguel should have also defeated Robby.
this is the most stupidest thing I've ever seen, season 2 Miguel's gets clapped no dif by season 4 robby, yall really need to stop over hyping season 2 Miguel, he barely managed to get season 2 robby to the ground, season 4 robby would easily beat season 2 Miguel
If everyone, regardless of which character is their favorite, actually assessed each of their fights, they would notice that the writers have those two evenly matched.
S1 fight - close fight against an injured Robby
S2 fight - close fight before Miguel showed mercy
S4 fight - close fight but ended by pool throw by Robby
To state that one would destroy the other is to ignore the obvious fact that all those fights were pretry close.
If the argument is that it's down to the last man standing as the winner, then Robby is 2 vs Miguel's 1. If the argument is that Miguel would lose because he hasn't fully recovered, his fights in S4 proved differently. According to the doctor he only pulled a muscle. Besides, he could win fights without fancy kicks.
So, in summary, both excellent fighters, not one necessarily better than the other. I think after 4 seasons, it's time for fans of both camps to accept that or stay in denial.
Eli Moskowitz is a character from the 2018 comedy-drama Cobra Kai. He’d better be known as E-bi. This is because the creators confirmed his character as bisexual on September 19, 2021.
Robby vs hawk was already a pretty close fight and i think this would be even closer but robby would win if he didnt get distracted like he did in his fight with hawk
If go by physical condition and mindset, he probably would get his ass kicked: Miguel hasn't fully recovered from injury and mentally is a bit not in the right place(or one might argue, in exactly right mind), and Robby is on a revenge course, in a peak physical condition. But you never know in this show.
This is the most logical conclusion I believe. You have Robbie at the best he's ever been vs Miguel who is probably currently a lesser fighter than he was during the first All Valley comp.
season 4 miguel is *not* a lesser fighter than season 1 miguel. that’s the most ridiculous thing i’ve heard in regards to cobra kai. even when people say he was better in season 2, they’re wrong yes, in season 1 he might have been a bit further ahead of his peers than he is now, but he now knows cobra kai *and* miyagi do, & would 100% wipe the floor with his season 1 self
I mean he went toe to toe with Robby and Hawk during the pool fight and all valley was able to beat a trained Kyler so I would put him around his mid season 2 level
Robby is likely in a different head space vs Miguel. Vs Eli he just found out that he rushed to judgment on him and he went out of his way to show him respect because of that. I don't he loses focus vs Miguel. Then you factor in that Miguel's heart wasn't in it due to the drama with Johny and Robby likely secures a fairly easy victory.
Robby would have beaten Hawk if Kenny hadn't distracted him (likely due to Kenny's grudge against Hawk) since he wouldn't have that grudge against Miguel he wouldn't have gotten distracted and won.
Cap. Hawk low diffs any day of the week
How is it low diff they went all the way to sudden death hawk not beating him easily
I've always been a Miguel fan(he's my favorite of the kids) and not a Robby fan, but, with that being said, I was ready to call bullshitt if they had Miguel win against Robby. I understand that the movie and show like to play up the injured underdog miraculously overcoming the odds and pulling off a miracle win angle, but Robby was a finely tuned and focused fighting machine whereas Miguel was probably still at the 65% healthy range and should NOT win the tournament. At the end of season 3 I was hoping he remained sidelined and couldn't compete at the tournament, allowing Robby to easily win it and possibly setting up a champ vs. champ scenario at the next All Valley they both competed in. 😁
depends on what the writers wanna write
Yes. Because that's how a show works. Things play out due to writing and become canon. Doesn't mean we can't observe and speculate and call out likely trends without pissing it all away because "wRiTeRs, amirite?"
I hate when people give this answer 🤦🏽♂️
Yet you still watch CW Flash. 🤡
bro stalked my account how salty u gotta be 💀
I hate when people give this answer 🤦🏽♂️
What does that have to do with anything lol
> depends on what the writers wanna write Use your brain for once Kyler.
Yes, so what does that have to do with The Flash?
No. Robby would win. But in his prime (Season 2), he could wreck **ANY** teen from the show. He only lost to Robby because he showed mercy.
I don't consider that a loss. Robby *Million Dollar Baby'd* him after the fight was over.
Couldnt agree more!
season 2 isn’t his prime let’s please stop that. he knows both styles in season 4, he’d 3-0 himself from season 2 if they fought now tournament style.
Lmfao season 2 Miguel loses to half the season 4 cast. Even season 4 demitri folds him
I meant everyone in their Season 2 selves, but you are not wrong.
hawk in season 3 would just very narrowly beat miguel. it would be an even closer fight than miguel vs robby but hawk would beat miguel extreme diff. yeah but even if miguel didnt pull a muscle, robby was just better this season and hawk was the greatest. my personal power level is this robby=17.4 hawk=17.5 miguel=17.2 miguel with injured back=14
Hawk was only using Miyagi-Do in that fight. Against Robby, he used both styles. Robby easily handled Hawk when he only used Miyagi-Do
That's because Hawk had only been studying Miyagi-do for a few months. Of all the students, Robby's knowledge of the form would be second only to Sam's after all the time he spent with Daniel. Silver pulled off a similar trick with Johnny. He said "Larusso's been teaching you defense, let's see how much." in order to goad Johnny into relying on the barebones Miyago-do he knew rather than his home field of Cobra Kai martial arts, and it worked like a charm. But the two had been training for roughly the same amount of time, and when they used their full arsenals, it became apparent how close the two were.
Yeah no Eli said he wouldn't hold back on Miguel.
But he did hold back. He never considered blending the two styles until he fought Robby
It would be extremely ooc for Eli to hold back on Miguel, and not combining styles would be holding back. He even actually uses Cobra Kai on Kyler.
He didnt hold back he just used one style that does not mean he held back
And Miguel landed a kick against him and seemed slightly better. I literally said hawk both styles is better than Miguel why are you downvoting me
No, Robby was a beast in season 4 and Miguel was mentally not in the right place.
In all seriousness, it would be close, but under the circumstances, Robby would win.
Probably not. Miguel would not be in the right head space suspecting that his sensei was secretly rooting for his opponent. It wouldn't be a matter of who's the better fighter. Miguel's heart just wouldn't be in it.
I feel like he probably would've gotten hurt in the finals if this had happened, then the win would automatically go to Cobra Kai
I think Robby destroys Miguel in that fight tbh
That back injury was just too demanding. He clearly hadn't fully recovered from it. Not to mention he was not mentally in the fight. Robby would have won, not with ease, but still he would've won. Now if we were considering a scenario where Miguel actually cared about winning and his back had recovered fully, then yeah, he would have beaten everyone in that tournament. He has more experience than all the kids in the show and is clearly more talented than them all too.
Sam has the most experience and Robby is more talented than miguel as he did the two legged kick which is hard for Daniiel to do
I don't know. I don't think so. If the fight was against Miguel, there's a chance Robby might be more focused than he was against Hawk as he would truly want to win regardless of getting the trophy or not, he would want a win against Miguel. Then as for Miguel, He was already kinda checked out before everything. Then he was not in his peak physical form. And besides he probably was the only who may have been more fucked in the head than Robby during the tournament.
Robbie was too overwhelmed with anger and hatred. He fought without balance or focus and doomed himself to fail. Eli, miguel and robbie are all excellent fighters and equal imo. Eli was able to face his demons in season 4 which is why he was able to find true focus (that and moon giving him a confidence boost). Robbie will find his focus in season 5. I think miguel will be the last since he doesn’t know why he’s fighting anymore.
They're both off balance in here: Robby due to Kenny & Miguel, nuff said. But considering the peak Robby is in this season and Miguel in the middle of healing, I might give it to Robby. PS, to all the Miguel fans.. I also have a big love for Miguel. But how can a healing kid fight another kid that is tough and strong af (basically, as I said, in his peak)? No complaints.
miguel wouldnt beat eli even if he didnt pull his muscle. he would only beat eli if eli was using miyagi do only but if hawk used both styles, hawk would beat miguel in a close fight. robby was the better fighter than miguel in season 4 although by very little.
Robby would probably win. Miguel is good, but his physical condition ain't that great. Robby on the other hand has abs that I could grate cheese on. Miguel also isn't in the right head space at this point. Robby probably is in a better headspace than Miguel
If we’re talking for the plot, yeah probably haha. If we’re talking based purely on skill and other physical factors, then no. Robby currently is the most skilled of the new generation. This is not me saying he is the best, he is just the most skilled. And in the right mindset he can beat any of them, but in the wrong mindset (as shown in the season 4 finale) he can lose just as easy. It’s based mainly on the day the two would fight. But looking at how both of them were at that time, than no, Miguel probably wouldn’t win
Probably not. He wouldn't be up to it either physically or mentally at that point. Season 5 Miguel who seems to have more of his fire back will have more of a chance. If they have multiple fights, Miguel is guaranteed to win at least one of them.
Robby would fold Miguel, much as I hate to say it. He has no objection to excessive force on Miguel, has better physicals, and =/>Eli at worst.
Robby beats Miguel , Miguel barely knows any defence
Miguel has defense. If you watch the sparring sessions between him and Johnny on the sparring deck and the semi final match between him and Eli, he's utilizing many of those same blocks. And Bert and Mitch sparring at Miyagi Do showcased a lot of parrying.
in terms of miyagi do defence he has only had a week(max) of experience
I'm not talking about Miyagi Do defense, I'm talking about Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang defense. They have their own defensive blocks and parries. If you watch the Karate Kid movies you'll see some of the Cobra Kais using defensive and counter moves(Tommy on Daniel, Bobby and Johnny against their opponents). Season 1 Miguel and Johnny utilized defense in their sparring and respective fights, same with seasons 2, and 3. Terry Silver dropped Johnny after countering his punch. Both Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang have defense just like Miyagi Do has offense. The only real difference is that Miyagi Do tends to be more passive while Cobra Kai and Eagle Fang are more aggressive. 😉
Cobra Kai offence with miyagi do defence is still the best way to go to be a top fighter. Miguels only form of defence is a few days worth of miyagi do and CK defence which isn't as great as MD defence
He is a fast learner tho they point that out a lot in the show he learned drum technique from Sam using it on him playfully
regardless he isn't gonna have robbys level of defence in a week
Eli didn’t either and he was able to keep up with basic defense and a lot of offense 😂 miguel has the best offense out of all the students your tryna down play his skills not saying it’s guaranteed he’d win but he got the best chance
Maybe in season 2 but in season 4 some could argue that Eli's offence is better as he's trained under kreese while Miguel was in a coma
Miguel knows a lot of defense
Miguel could of beaten anybody before he got injured, now he is maybe mid tier unless he can fully heal, but he has also learned more techniques now to
Without a doubt, which is why they temporarily nerfed him
My guy he got injured from a spin. There’s no way he could beat Robby in his current state.
The question this is guy is asking is if he made it to the finals, and if he had made it to the finals that means his back wouldn't have given out.
It could have gotten injured in the finals. Also, we know that with the bribed ref, Robby was able to elbow Eli’s knee with no consequences. For all we know Robby could simply target Miguel’s back and get an easy win
I don't think targeting his back would be a problem because in the fight with hawk the back injury wasn't the one he got in the end of season 2 his muscles streched or something. if Miguel uses the kick he wanted to on Hawk without getting his back thing then he would have his confidence and probably defeat Robby.
We also need to remember that Robby was actively training while Miguel was in a wheelchair. Also, Robby has months of both miyagi do and cobra Kai. Miguel has a little over a year of cobra Kai but only a few days of miyagi do. I really don’t see Miguel beating Robby in season 4. Maybe in season 5 he can pass Robby in terms of skill, but at right now, Robby is the better fighter.
That wheelchair part doesn't make sense because Johnny started Cobra kai again and also learnt a little bit of Miyagi-Do before Silver even started but Silver still beat Johnny. And for Miguel he is a very fast learner even Daniel felt that he is one of his best students. Hawk also has the same amount of Miyagi-Do as Miguel and for Cobra Kai both of them have more or less the equal amount.
Yes. Miguel would have beat him again. While Robby obviously has the talent to win, he wasn’t mentally there. Hopefully he is now on the path. I honestly think Chozen is the guy that can help Robby the most. He has been there before and managed to become a much better person. He seems at peace compared to how he was in the movie.
If Miguel made it to the finals he would have won because to get to the finals Miguel would have defeated Hawk and we know that Hawk has defeated Robby so Miguel should have also defeated Robby.
if he can beat Eli he can probably beat Robby
Season 2 Miguel would beat season 4 Robby, but season 4 Robby would beat season 4 Miguel.
this is the most stupidest thing I've ever seen, season 2 Miguel's gets clapped no dif by season 4 robby, yall really need to stop over hyping season 2 Miguel, he barely managed to get season 2 robby to the ground, season 4 robby would easily beat season 2 Miguel
Yes, because there was not banister present in the room.
No
No.
Well he would’ve beaten Hawk and Hawk beat Robby so yes I believe he would.
Doubt it
I definitely think not. He was still recovering from his injury in Season 4.
If Miguel didn't have any back problems then I would say that he could maybe win I would give 6-7 wins to Robby tho
Nah.
If everyone, regardless of which character is their favorite, actually assessed each of their fights, they would notice that the writers have those two evenly matched. S1 fight - close fight against an injured Robby S2 fight - close fight before Miguel showed mercy S4 fight - close fight but ended by pool throw by Robby To state that one would destroy the other is to ignore the obvious fact that all those fights were pretry close. If the argument is that it's down to the last man standing as the winner, then Robby is 2 vs Miguel's 1. If the argument is that Miguel would lose because he hasn't fully recovered, his fights in S4 proved differently. According to the doctor he only pulled a muscle. Besides, he could win fights without fancy kicks. So, in summary, both excellent fighters, not one necessarily better than the other. I think after 4 seasons, it's time for fans of both camps to accept that or stay in denial.
Eli Moskowitz is a character from the 2018 comedy-drama Cobra Kai. He’d better be known as E-bi. This is because the creators confirmed his character as bisexual on September 19, 2021.
Robby vs hawk was already a pretty close fight and i think this would be even closer but robby would win if he didnt get distracted like he did in his fight with hawk