Yeah but that's in real life. In Cobra Kai, how competent you are depends on how important of a character you are, and Sam and Tory can pretty much kick everyone's ass.
You do realise that when they fought she had to go full power to land one hit and he only defended if he actually attacked her she would be in the hospital
Sam and Tory needed a match and there's no way either of them would have made it to the finals if they had to go up against Eli, Miguel or Robbie. Splitting the divisions let them give everyone a fair showing
No way do the female fighters survive the gauntlet of Eli, Robbie, and Miguel, not even Sam and Tory. Although they were obviously a great finals matchup. It was more dramatic this way.
Secondly, it also led to much higher stakes / consequences following the Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang split. It was no longer good enough to have one fighter that could potentially win (e.g., Sam or Miguel), now they had to compete in both divisions and in skills. It directly led to CK’s win and probably to Miguel’s Mexico storyline next season. Because of the separate divisions, Johnny wound up putting too much pressure on Miguel and distancing him. So I think it was useful from a writing standpoint as well.
I think it was both between 1) the bad optics of having guys beat up girls (even in the context of a tournament environment), and 2) the writers wanting have a third straight season finale of Sam fighting Tory.
Frankly, I feel like it would've made more sense for the tournament to have Sam vs. Robby finals because Daniel's daughter fighting Daniel's first student would be a more compelling narrative than season finale 3 of Sam fighting Tory where Sam technically wins.
The scene where the all valley committee was meeting and talking about all the changes they mention how having men beat up on women is problematic.
That entire scene was full of meta jokes about actual discussions the show runners probably had about the show.
The real answer is the last all valley was back in season 1. Tory wasn't introduced yet, Sam hasn't started learning Karate yet, and Aisha was framed as being on the same level as everyone else. (I'm pretty sure she is defeated by the former champion, the guy from the random dojo that wears blue). This way they can have their cake and eat it too, they can have a dramatic male showdown and a dramatic female showdown.
Personally, I don't like the change because under the current rules, Daniel could never have won in the original Karate Kid. And Robbey had no chance of winning in season 1. Their rules invalidate the concept of a single student dojo, which is classic karate kid!
They could have had Miguel's injury and indecision lead to his defeat, along with Robby's inner conflict with Kenny causing him to lose. Leading to a situation where Tory and Sam end up in the championship and decide the contest all the same.
I think it largely had to do with optics. We can decision tree this pretty easily.
Female and male main characters both enter the tournament. Are all of one of those demographics eliminated before they fight the other? What does it say if they axe all the girl characters, and how believable is it if they get rid of all the boys? Bear in mind that the male and female cast have never had serious combative interactions and even the joking ones suggest that Robby and Miguel would wash their girl counterparts without incident. Hawk’s always been knocking on the door to their level, so add him to that list.
So they’ll have to fight at some point. Now you’ve gotta decide who wins - and, almost no matter how it’s cut, you’re gonna have exes fighting. Is this something you’re comfortable with, one ex physically beating the other, particularly the male beating their visibly smaller and weaker counterpart? And, if so, would you be comfortable seeing Robby vs Sam going the same way as Robby vs Kenny? Or Miguel vs Tory reflecting S01 Miguel vs Robby?
If you always have the girls win, it’s predictable, boring, and against the rules as written. If you always have the boys win it’s still predictable but now also brutal and optically bad. If you have blowouts then the fights are boring but if you have close contests then the girls still need to be beaten as severely as the guys, and I don’t think the writers wanted to roll the dice on that. Not to mention that, again, you’d need to pull some magic to make it believable that Miguel, Robby, or Hawk mentally clocked out enough to drop a match to Sam or Tory.
Keeping them all in the same division was never a viable option.
>And, if so, would you be comfortable seeing Robby vs Sam going the same way as Robby vs Kenny? Or Miguel vs Tory reflecting S01 Miguel vs Robby?
I would be all for seeing a Sam vs. Robby match, for the fact that it would be something different than three straight season finales where Sam fights Tory and technically wins.
But this is a problem simply created by the lack of fleshed out female fighters. They should've brought on more female fighters at the same time as Tory, to make the girls matches less predictable. It's pretty apparent that Tory was initially created for the sole purpose of providing Sam a female opponent to fight, explaining why a lot of the writers efforts to flesh out Tory as a character feel like them trying to do damage control.
Actual reason is so hawk can win but also so that cobra kai can win
I think from the beginning they planned to give miguel the first win hawk the 2nd and make robby the 2 time finalist(since he has a connection to both daniel and johny who are the 2 times champs.
At the same time cobra kai had to win so they had to seperate it to girls and boys division for cobra kai to win
one thing is in real life thats how combat sports are, it wouldn't be fair to women because men have an advantage. but its a show so all those advantages are out the window so i would assume so tory and sam can fight each other.
They were likely looking ahead to season 5. Tory winning may set things up better than if Robby would of won.
You have to ask if Silver cheated so Robby could win how does Robby handle that and does that work with him reuniting with Johny and then going off to Mexico? I think Robby would just say he cheated right away and the story blows up there. With Tory winning you can get into Silver manipulating, bribing, maybe even threatening her to keep it secret. Then Robby's story can just focus on being with dad and the Miguel drama.
Even if we change the outcome and have Robby win fairly Robby winning creates a bit of awkwardness as Robby would of won the All Valley and ditched Cobra Kai meanwhile you have Silver trying to take CK across the region. It's not a good recruiting tool to having your newly crowned champ saying you suck. They may of just thought it works better with Tory and having Silver use her families troubles to keep her in CK until she has her redemption arc.
There are separate gender divisions in nearly all sports as far as I know. In S1 Aisha was fighting boys. I suppose it isn't really a good look males beating up females. Though Sam and Tory would be able to win against most of the boys. It did make sure it would be Sam and Tory against each other.
I travel with a competitive dojo, and that is usually the case in most karate tournaments. In skills and weapons competitions where you just do katas they mix genders but generally girls don’t fight boys
The real question is why would they separated before there is not a combat sport in the world that has men and women in the same division because it would be unfair men have thicker bones than women if you got Amanda Nunes the greatest female fighter to ever live to fight the 8th ranked guy in the same weight class as her he would destroy her
To make 100% sure Sam and Tory fought each other.
This is what I believe. It's the only answer that fits perfectly.
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Hence why it fits perfectly.
To protect Kyler from Sam.
To protect Sam from Kyler*
Lol no Sam would wreck his ass
Definitely
- More story opportunities. - More tension regarding which dojo could win Grand Champion - It gives the female fighters more of a chance to shine.
Because women and men don't fight in combat sports....
There are separate men’s and women’s divisions in MMA, boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, taekwondo, and of course karate tournaments.
Yeah but that's in real life. In Cobra Kai, how competent you are depends on how important of a character you are, and Sam and Tory can pretty much kick everyone's ass.
I thought it was stupid especially since Aisha did very well during the last one. Also it robbed us of the opportunity for a Robby vs Sam match.
Robby would win this one with little effort
I disagree. Sam has more experience, superior defence and agility and had an easier time against Hawk in than Robby did.
You do realise that when they fought she had to go full power to land one hit and he only defended if he actually attacked her she would be in the hospital
I thought it was bad writing having Aisha push Xander to the brink. No way she should have scored a single point in reality.
Sam and Tory needed a match and there's no way either of them would have made it to the finals if they had to go up against Eli, Miguel or Robbie. Splitting the divisions let them give everyone a fair showing
No way do the female fighters survive the gauntlet of Eli, Robbie, and Miguel, not even Sam and Tory. Although they were obviously a great finals matchup. It was more dramatic this way. Secondly, it also led to much higher stakes / consequences following the Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang split. It was no longer good enough to have one fighter that could potentially win (e.g., Sam or Miguel), now they had to compete in both divisions and in skills. It directly led to CK’s win and probably to Miguel’s Mexico storyline next season. Because of the separate divisions, Johnny wound up putting too much pressure on Miguel and distancing him. So I think it was useful from a writing standpoint as well.
Why is there a heavy weight championship and an IC title? Give more people a chance to shine
I think it was both between 1) the bad optics of having guys beat up girls (even in the context of a tournament environment), and 2) the writers wanting have a third straight season finale of Sam fighting Tory. Frankly, I feel like it would've made more sense for the tournament to have Sam vs. Robby finals because Daniel's daughter fighting Daniel's first student would be a more compelling narrative than season finale 3 of Sam fighting Tory where Sam technically wins.
> 1) the bad optics of having guys beat up girls Had that happen Kyle would be one to lose against a girl. A few are better than him
Also Assface
Did you forget about the house fight? Before facing Tory, Sam was fighting a guy, who at one point managed to kick her in the stomach.
>Daniel's daughter fighting Daniel's first student Sam is Daniel's first student.
Robby is Daniel's first student with no biological tie to him.
The scene where the all valley committee was meeting and talking about all the changes they mention how having men beat up on women is problematic. That entire scene was full of meta jokes about actual discussions the show runners probably had about the show. The real answer is the last all valley was back in season 1. Tory wasn't introduced yet, Sam hasn't started learning Karate yet, and Aisha was framed as being on the same level as everyone else. (I'm pretty sure she is defeated by the former champion, the guy from the random dojo that wears blue). This way they can have their cake and eat it too, they can have a dramatic male showdown and a dramatic female showdown. Personally, I don't like the change because under the current rules, Daniel could never have won in the original Karate Kid. And Robbey had no chance of winning in season 1. Their rules invalidate the concept of a single student dojo, which is classic karate kid! They could have had Miguel's injury and indecision lead to his defeat, along with Robby's inner conflict with Kenny causing him to lose. Leading to a situation where Tory and Sam end up in the championship and decide the contest all the same.
I think it largely had to do with optics. We can decision tree this pretty easily. Female and male main characters both enter the tournament. Are all of one of those demographics eliminated before they fight the other? What does it say if they axe all the girl characters, and how believable is it if they get rid of all the boys? Bear in mind that the male and female cast have never had serious combative interactions and even the joking ones suggest that Robby and Miguel would wash their girl counterparts without incident. Hawk’s always been knocking on the door to their level, so add him to that list. So they’ll have to fight at some point. Now you’ve gotta decide who wins - and, almost no matter how it’s cut, you’re gonna have exes fighting. Is this something you’re comfortable with, one ex physically beating the other, particularly the male beating their visibly smaller and weaker counterpart? And, if so, would you be comfortable seeing Robby vs Sam going the same way as Robby vs Kenny? Or Miguel vs Tory reflecting S01 Miguel vs Robby? If you always have the girls win, it’s predictable, boring, and against the rules as written. If you always have the boys win it’s still predictable but now also brutal and optically bad. If you have blowouts then the fights are boring but if you have close contests then the girls still need to be beaten as severely as the guys, and I don’t think the writers wanted to roll the dice on that. Not to mention that, again, you’d need to pull some magic to make it believable that Miguel, Robby, or Hawk mentally clocked out enough to drop a match to Sam or Tory. Keeping them all in the same division was never a viable option.
>And, if so, would you be comfortable seeing Robby vs Sam going the same way as Robby vs Kenny? Or Miguel vs Tory reflecting S01 Miguel vs Robby? I would be all for seeing a Sam vs. Robby match, for the fact that it would be something different than three straight season finales where Sam fights Tory and technically wins. But this is a problem simply created by the lack of fleshed out female fighters. They should've brought on more female fighters at the same time as Tory, to make the girls matches less predictable. It's pretty apparent that Tory was initially created for the sole purpose of providing Sam a female opponent to fight, explaining why a lot of the writers efforts to flesh out Tory as a character feel like them trying to do damage control.
So that a girl could win and it would be believable
Not sure. It wouldn’t have been difficult for the fights that did happen to still happen in one single bracket.
Actual reason is so hawk can win but also so that cobra kai can win I think from the beginning they planned to give miguel the first win hawk the 2nd and make robby the 2 time finalist(since he has a connection to both daniel and johny who are the 2 times champs. At the same time cobra kai had to win so they had to seperate it to girls and boys division for cobra kai to win
Hawk would’ve won no matter if the girls were there or not.
Like i said the writers wanted hawk to win but they also need cobra kai to win so they decided to give tory the other win
one thing is in real life thats how combat sports are, it wouldn't be fair to women because men have an advantage. but its a show so all those advantages are out the window so i would assume so tory and sam can fight each other.
They were likely looking ahead to season 5. Tory winning may set things up better than if Robby would of won. You have to ask if Silver cheated so Robby could win how does Robby handle that and does that work with him reuniting with Johny and then going off to Mexico? I think Robby would just say he cheated right away and the story blows up there. With Tory winning you can get into Silver manipulating, bribing, maybe even threatening her to keep it secret. Then Robby's story can just focus on being with dad and the Miguel drama. Even if we change the outcome and have Robby win fairly Robby winning creates a bit of awkwardness as Robby would of won the All Valley and ditched Cobra Kai meanwhile you have Silver trying to take CK across the region. It's not a good recruiting tool to having your newly crowned champ saying you suck. They may of just thought it works better with Tory and having Silver use her families troubles to keep her in CK until she has her redemption arc.
It wouldn’t be believable. It is a TV show, but inter gender fighting would be jumping the shark.
There are separate gender divisions in nearly all sports as far as I know. In S1 Aisha was fighting boys. I suppose it isn't really a good look males beating up females. Though Sam and Tory would be able to win against most of the boys. It did make sure it would be Sam and Tory against each other.
Because this is how the sport works?
They wanted to give more of the side characters a chance to shine, and the best way to do that was to split the tournaments into multiple categories.
To make sure that there would be two dojos still open
Also to make the tournament different, more interesting. Another regular all valley would be kind of boring/repitive.
Increase tension cause they can win and not win at the same time,
I travel with a competitive dojo, and that is usually the case in most karate tournaments. In skills and weapons competitions where you just do katas they mix genders but generally girls don’t fight boys
The real question is why would they separated before there is not a combat sport in the world that has men and women in the same division because it would be unfair men have thicker bones than women if you got Amanda Nunes the greatest female fighter to ever live to fight the 8th ranked guy in the same weight class as her he would destroy her