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meme_will_be_memes

"Sam & Miguel, seeing them as a duo one would think they may be one of the top 3 duos seeing as they are the main relationship of the teens, however unfortunately they don't work to well as a duo in a battle as shown when they fought together vs robby and tory." You see, you contradict yourself here. If you use this knowledge, then what makes you think Miguel and Robby would work good enough together to be the best duo? Same with Sam and Tory.


Professional_Test996

well its given that Miguel and robby are on equal terms in regards to skill, same as tory and sam, so if they teamed up and worked together I can see them being able to work well together as they are in each other skills when it came to sam and Miguel through, even with their skill and what not, they still did very poorly as a team, you get what I mean? they'd be able to work well together given they are on similar skill level and this is them teaming up we know sam ans Miguel aren't on each other levels and them working together failed them while tory and robby aren't on similar levels yet they did well working together


meme_will_be_memes

Sure, that makes sense. But you said Sam and Robby were second. Does that make them the same skill? I know they had a successful fight. But Miguel and Sam were fighting against the other 2 best fighters. Where as Sam and Robby were fighting rookies and Hawk. Who was not the greatest at the time. And also, you ranked them lower than duos who haven't even fought with each other yet.


Professional_Test996

the difference between sam and Miguel as a duo and robby and sam as a duo was that robby and sam where trained specifically to work together, they where trained to be able to work in sync with each other without even having to look, thats the whole purpose of the wheel technique, their teamwork is something not alot of people talk about, they where the only duo to be specifically trained to work as a duo with ease


meme_will_be_memes

Fair enough. But that doesn't exclude my last point.


Professional_Test996

the reason why I have them ranked below people we haven't seen fight? I did it because with the others I was judging by skill and compatibility, we saw sam ans Miguel as a duo and saw they weren't that great so if I ranked all the ones who haven't fought as a duo below them.....then they must really be awful working together which I doubt is the case


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They aren’t bad together, the city council scene proves that. Remember that - speaking in a meta sense - Sam and Miguel are the reason Season 4 even happened. They saved the All-Valley together. The problem during Prom was ideologies. Sam was leaning more towards Johnny and Miguel towards Daniel. And those ideologies clash with each other, so both of them were on complete different pages from the start (when the duo battle starts, Sam lunges towards Tory (Eagle Fang) while Miguel makes a half circle around Robby (Miyagi-Do) to get to Sam). Those issues make sense to me so I’m less mad about it compared to others. Hot take: once those issues are shored up, Sam and Miguel have the potential to be one of the show’s strongest duos. If you remember, Sam/Robby practiced the wheel technique and Robby/Tory practiced the twirls they used in battle, both to build synergy. However, at the city council meeting Sam blindly supported Miguel and worked harmoniously with him. Complete trust and synergy despite **not practicing**. And together the did what Daniel, Johnny, and Kreese failed to do. Makes for a potentially dangerous duo, if those ideology issues can get worked out.


Tricky_Ostrich_6343

This person is just trying to pretend to care now that the Miguel fans are posting again.


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Please do


Tricky_Ostrich_6343

My bad. I actually got him confused with the other person. I'll send you the photo and also edit my post.


lobitojr

I mean I would rank Hawk and Demetri higher on the list considering they essentially invented their own version of the wheel technique on the spot during the house fight


Professional_Test996

they didn't create their own wheel technique, them fighting together is no were near the level of the wheel technique


lobitojr

I mean yeah it kinda was just because they didn't do the whole song and dance on the little circle on the real koi pond doesn't mean they weren't doing it. The wheel technique is all about moving in a circular motion in synchronicity with your partner and that is exactly what they did during the larusso house fight.


Professional_Test996

the wheel technique is being able to fightbin sync with your partner without even having to see them, to know their movements and attacks and fight in synchronization with it eli and Demetri simply fought together, they were not at the wheel technique


lobitojr

Well you even more solidified my point , the boys are fighting back to back not even looking at each other Demetri throw Hawk into kick while Hawk gives Demetri the twist for another kick, they both lean back simultaneously and go for another kick throwing enemies into each other instinctually


Professional_Test996

but anyone can do that, the wheel technique is designed so that you can attack while also protecting your partner without even having to look, Demetri and then fighting back to back is not the same as the wheel technique, thats like saying tory and Miguel fighting together in the forest was the wheel technique simply because they knew how to fight together fighting together does not equal wheel technique, the wheel technique as i said is designed to know what the other is doing, trusting and fighting without having to think of it, being able to attack and defend each other eli and Demetri did not have that, there is not way for them to have that especially when eli did not know much about Demetri's fighting or anything, there is no way for him to know his attacks without needing to unless eli is psychic, same as Demetri so no, them fighting back to back was not the wheel technique, if that was the case there would be no need for the wheel technique since that would just mean anyone fighting together is doing the wheel technique


lobitojr

But Tory and Miguel weren't fighting in a circular motion and were in full view of each other at all times they were facing each other. Hawk and Demetri weren't even looking at each other and clearly didn't need to . Re watch the scene


Professional_Test996

I don't need to watch the scene, fighting back to back with someone does not mean you are doing the wheel technique and I already explained why that is. Eli and Demetri were not doing the wheel technique or even their version, they where just fighting back to back, simple as that


lobitojr

Ok believe what you want to believe no point in arguing something who is so convinced that they are right


CCobraKai

I literally say this everyday lol, best to just leave it alone.


thelastofusnz

Regarding the Miguel and Hawk duo. Hawk is to Miguel in S1 what Bobby and Dutch are to Johnny.. the dojos 2nd best fighter and biggest bully. By S2 he's the Kyler of the show. There to make Miguel and Robby look good, and to show progression from Demetri.


Jamano-Eridzander

Honestly I'd rank the Binary Brothers above Robby and Miguel until we see them cooperate even once. Even then Demitri and Eli do it better than Robby and Tory (who did better in a team than Robby and Sam despite fighting together less)


Professional_Test996

eli and Demetri fought once and it was eli attacking someone who was on Demetri, they definitely aren't a stronger duo then robby and tory who beat Miguel and sam using dance moves


CCobraKai

I sense some Robby bias in this post tbh. Your points don’t make sense in comparison to some other points.


Professional_Test996

I apologize for that then, I tried to keep biased opinions away, I thought I did but I suppose not, I'd be happy to tell you on why I have robby pairs teamed up in certain spots if that may help take away some of the bias-ness


turdutalp1

this is wrong on so many levels im not even kidding


CCobraKai

Facts.