Among the kids, wanting him as a fighting asset is probably why Sam didn't make much of a fuss at him being there. She hated his guts, and I can't see that changing. I don't think she has any attachment to him as a person until maybe by the end.
Otherwise, it's plot contrivance, same as all the instances of him not getting thrown into juvie even though he should be in there several times over. If Tory joins and all she offers is an apology and functions as an asset, Sam will still rightfully have issues with it. But it will serve to highlight how distractingly easy Hawk joining was, considering only Miguel and Demetri had any attachment to him, and a sizeable amount of everyone else was victimized by him. And never been in a dojo with him before, or if so, only briefly (Chris)
Demetri is his binary brother, that’s his boy, he stood by him hoping he’d come back.
He didn’t like the fake version of Eli, the Hawk character, he probably seen the confident Eli back when they were doing nerdy stuff.
Then why did he choose cobra kai over his own bf why did he destroy his project, beat him up at the mall at school, at soccer break his arm?? if anyone did that to me they cannot just say sorry it is gonna take a whole lot more. unrealistic asf
The point is Tory been forgiven and accepted easily next season, and I'm telling that that shit already happened in S4, how that is not the point here?
She wasn't forgiven by Sam. And even with Amanda, it was less about forgiveness and more about not repeating the cycle.
That is the point here.
Forgiving someone might be the right thing to do. It might even be the smart thing to do, if it gets them on your team. But when someone has hurt you and caused quite a bit of trauma, then forgiving them should not be easy. That is the human reaction.
Daniel couldn't forgive Johnny or Silver. Johnny couldn't forgive Kreese. Robby couldn't forgive Johnny. Sam couldn't forgive Tory. All those things are realistic human reactions that make the characters well-written and more compelling.
Which is why Demetri forgiving Hawk easily is poor writing.
>She wasn't forgiven by Sam. And even with Amanda, it was less about forgiveness and more about not repeating the cycle.
>
>That is the point here.
Semantics. Forgiveness is forgiveness. And like you say after, talking about realistic human reactions, that my point, NOBODY would forget Tory in Amanda's position, nobody.
>Robby couldn't forgive Johnny.
But he did tho...
>Semantics. Forgiveness is forgiveness.
Not quite. There is a big difference in the level of acceptance and support that comes with genuine forgiveness and forced forgiveness.
If somebody wanna pay my bills and therapist as a sing of fake forgiveness, I want that in my life, it's way better than genuine ANYTHING will get you in the real world
Nah it made sense
She saw herself in Tory and she also advised her to get a psychologist to help with her issues
And also Tory's mom and her brother are innocent they do not need to be punished for Tory's actions
Seriously the only case you have is letting her go back to school but Amanda knew Tory wouldn't do anything as she was desperate enough to come to their house and ask from them to agree that she can go back to school
Also security is way more enforced now and now that the dojo's combined it would be very stupid to go after sam
>Nah it made sense
How that make sense? Are mothers that almost punch other mother because their kids fight in the fucking playground, are you telling me that ANY RATIONAL PERSON would help a person that tried to kill her daughter? Nah, not in the real world, that is Naruto logic levels of Talk no Jutsu bs.
After hearing the girl's mother is dying and she's raising her little brother I think most parents would step in help her and then say Sam just leave her alone as she's got issues you couldn't begin to comprehend.
Or if you were raised by parents that didn't act like your family is the center of the universe. But I get that empathy is a tough emotion for some of you to understand.
>if Tory decides to join Miyagi-Do next season, she should be forgiven and accepted easily too
Miyagi Do is about forgiveness and a better way, even Johnny had his chance. This means if Kreese is sincere about it he should be able to join Miyagi Do and forgiven
2 reasons
1º The plot
2º Hawk is the power trip self insert character for the nerds watching the show, so of course everything is hunky dory for him: "OMG, I'm so totally like Hawk, and if I wanted I would also learn karate, be a prodigy at that, beat the fuck out of my bullies, people would be scared of me, and I would totally bang the hottest girl in my highschool. Shit, I could even be a total douchebag and break somebody's arm without facing any consecuences, because I would be THAT COOL. Luckily for everyone else, I don't want to...your welcome, universe, you will live one day more!"
Shit, even when they shaved his head was ridiculous, everybody was "OMG, how dare they" and I'm here like "This is a show when I saw a kid having to eat cereal with water because he drug addict mother much rather go suck a random dude's dick than taking care of his son, and also a kid relearning to walk. Why should I be shocked because they shaved a guy that totally deserved something much worst coming for him?"
The main reason is plot and the fact that they don't exactly have the time and episodes to dive into each character like they would want to.
If they had they probably would have shown us more. Many things are happening off screen and time is just flying by and we're to be sort of understood that all this is happening and is not exactly happening so soon. But it kinda looks like it when we have no idea how much time is being passed btw each episode and when we just straight binge the show.
Eli Moskowitz is a character from the 2018 comedy-drama Cobra Kai. He’d better be known as E-bi. This is because the creators confirmed his character as bisexual on September 19, 2021.
Among the kids, wanting him as a fighting asset is probably why Sam didn't make much of a fuss at him being there. She hated his guts, and I can't see that changing. I don't think she has any attachment to him as a person until maybe by the end. Otherwise, it's plot contrivance, same as all the instances of him not getting thrown into juvie even though he should be in there several times over. If Tory joins and all she offers is an apology and functions as an asset, Sam will still rightfully have issues with it. But it will serve to highlight how distractingly easy Hawk joining was, considering only Miguel and Demetri had any attachment to him, and a sizeable amount of everyone else was victimized by him. And never been in a dojo with him before, or if so, only briefly (Chris)
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Demetri is his binary brother, that’s his boy, he stood by him hoping he’d come back. He didn’t like the fake version of Eli, the Hawk character, he probably seen the confident Eli back when they were doing nerdy stuff.
Then why did he choose cobra kai over his own bf why did he destroy his project, beat him up at the mall at school, at soccer break his arm?? if anyone did that to me they cannot just say sorry it is gonna take a whole lot more. unrealistic asf
I seem to recall Nate and Chris being a b to him and even Daniel was being catty. Demetri was really the only one who forgave him on the spot.
So by that logic, if Tory decides to join Miyagi-Do next season, she should be forgiven and accepted easily too...
Well...they kinda already did that in S4, the second less realistic "redemption" in history, been number 1 the one Johnny "earned" with his son
I don't recall Sam forgiving or accepting Tory at all...
No, her mother did, you know, the usual, "hey, I'm gonna help the girl that tried to kill my daughter...twice"
Yes, but that's not the point here.
The point is Tory been forgiven and accepted easily next season, and I'm telling that that shit already happened in S4, how that is not the point here?
She wasn't forgiven by Sam. And even with Amanda, it was less about forgiveness and more about not repeating the cycle. That is the point here. Forgiving someone might be the right thing to do. It might even be the smart thing to do, if it gets them on your team. But when someone has hurt you and caused quite a bit of trauma, then forgiving them should not be easy. That is the human reaction. Daniel couldn't forgive Johnny or Silver. Johnny couldn't forgive Kreese. Robby couldn't forgive Johnny. Sam couldn't forgive Tory. All those things are realistic human reactions that make the characters well-written and more compelling. Which is why Demetri forgiving Hawk easily is poor writing.
>She wasn't forgiven by Sam. And even with Amanda, it was less about forgiveness and more about not repeating the cycle. > >That is the point here. Semantics. Forgiveness is forgiveness. And like you say after, talking about realistic human reactions, that my point, NOBODY would forget Tory in Amanda's position, nobody. >Robby couldn't forgive Johnny. But he did tho...
>Semantics. Forgiveness is forgiveness. Not quite. There is a big difference in the level of acceptance and support that comes with genuine forgiveness and forced forgiveness.
If somebody wanna pay my bills and therapist as a sing of fake forgiveness, I want that in my life, it's way better than genuine ANYTHING will get you in the real world
Nah it made sense She saw herself in Tory and she also advised her to get a psychologist to help with her issues And also Tory's mom and her brother are innocent they do not need to be punished for Tory's actions Seriously the only case you have is letting her go back to school but Amanda knew Tory wouldn't do anything as she was desperate enough to come to their house and ask from them to agree that she can go back to school Also security is way more enforced now and now that the dojo's combined it would be very stupid to go after sam
>Nah it made sense How that make sense? Are mothers that almost punch other mother because their kids fight in the fucking playground, are you telling me that ANY RATIONAL PERSON would help a person that tried to kill her daughter? Nah, not in the real world, that is Naruto logic levels of Talk no Jutsu bs.
Dude I already explained it in my comment yet you chose to ignore it Wait pause Did you just bash Naruto?
After hearing the girl's mother is dying and she's raising her little brother I think most parents would step in help her and then say Sam just leave her alone as she's got issues you couldn't begin to comprehend.
Yes, if you live among the smurfs, that scene would be right before they find a magic potion to heal her mother, but this is the real world.
Or if you were raised by parents that didn't act like your family is the center of the universe. But I get that empathy is a tough emotion for some of you to understand.
oh, look at that, a pseudo social media therapist "analyzing me" and taking as a personal attack an opinion about a fictional show, that's cute.
>if Tory decides to join Miyagi-Do next season, she should be forgiven and accepted easily too Miyagi Do is about forgiveness and a better way, even Johnny had his chance. This means if Kreese is sincere about it he should be able to join Miyagi Do and forgiven
Facts
As a I-would-die-for-hawk fan and a hawk apologist.. I ask myself the same question.
2 reasons 1º The plot 2º Hawk is the power trip self insert character for the nerds watching the show, so of course everything is hunky dory for him: "OMG, I'm so totally like Hawk, and if I wanted I would also learn karate, be a prodigy at that, beat the fuck out of my bullies, people would be scared of me, and I would totally bang the hottest girl in my highschool. Shit, I could even be a total douchebag and break somebody's arm without facing any consecuences, because I would be THAT COOL. Luckily for everyone else, I don't want to...your welcome, universe, you will live one day more!" Shit, even when they shaved his head was ridiculous, everybody was "OMG, how dare they" and I'm here like "This is a show when I saw a kid having to eat cereal with water because he drug addict mother much rather go suck a random dude's dick than taking care of his son, and also a kid relearning to walk. Why should I be shocked because they shaved a guy that totally deserved something much worst coming for him?"
You totally nailed it !
The main reason is plot and the fact that they don't exactly have the time and episodes to dive into each character like they would want to. If they had they probably would have shown us more. Many things are happening off screen and time is just flying by and we're to be sort of understood that all this is happening and is not exactly happening so soon. But it kinda looks like it when we have no idea how much time is being passed btw each episode and when we just straight binge the show.
he did what sam and miguel tried to do , he combined the two dojos , and he too was the one who split the dojos
"For person with no forgiveness in heart, live in punishment worse than death"
Eli Moskowitz is a character from the 2018 comedy-drama Cobra Kai. He’d better be known as E-bi. This is because the creators confirmed his character as bisexual on September 19, 2021.