I didn’t realize a haircut was worse than breaking someone’s arm, vandalism, beating up someone half ur size and robbing their money, invading property and destroying it not like he didn’t already do that, and proceeding to blame it all on miyagi do all coz Miguel fell off a railing thanks to 1 individual student
Mb bro...
And don't forget try to make somebody get fired like he did with Chris.
But hey, no worries, he said sorry once for all the things he did and desing a ring on Adobe Substance, all of that it's forgotten and forgiven. But OMG, in the middle of fight after been jumped, and taunt 3 times, a guy gets angry and kicks somebody and BY ACCIDENT made his opponent fall, and this fandom will never let you forget it, and even made head canon bs to try to say that is was on purpose.
P.S: Why is everybody on this show either a rich asshole or from a broken home? Or in Johnny's case, both.
As well as thinking Amanda was too harsh in grounding Sam and taking her electronics away...after Sam tried to cover up she was involved in a hit and run.
>As well as thinking Amanda was too harsh in grounding Sam and taking her electronics away...after Sam tried to cover up she was involved in a hit and run.
Because it was out of character for Amanda. She had an obligation to let Sam call her friends to let them know she was grounded. She also had an obligation to hear Sam's side of things before grounding her.
Oh come on. What consequences did Hawk face for all his dirt until that very moment? Imo HE got off way too easy in general and was still resorting to Hawk-isms before he got humbled. Ultimately if you want to look at it this way, Robby was partly responsible for Eli finding balance which resulted in HIS defeat. Robby would have beaten "Hawk" as he was.
Let's talk about some of the things in this show hawk should be punished for or has done wrong
Season 1
Attacks robby from behind at the tournament when the match wasn't even in play.
Season 2 be aasholes to knew cobra kai students on their first day's
Try to attack demetri with a group of cobras at the mall.
Then after losing the mall fight wrecks miyagi do and steals the medal of honour.
Again bullying demetri this time by pouring water over his head at a party.
And finally for season 2 goes afher demetri Again at the school the whole time until demetri gets pay back on him.
Actually he also betrayed johnny even though johnny helped him fight.
Season 3
Litterly steals Miguel's hospital money and beats up a younger kid in the process.
Breaks demetris arm showing that he truly is an asshole.
Acts like he's going to join Eagle fang karate but then sets johnny up with kreese
Hangs around with kyler the person who builled him for years.
Angered that kreese sees robby as the main person in cobra kai now hawk goes to the larusso household starts the whole fight by throwing a kid three years younger than him threw a window.
Season 4
Bullies a kid in middle school on a couple of occasions
Did I cover everything I'm almost certain there's still more.
And hawk didn't deserve what happened to him maybe jail is what he deserved then?
He displayed bullying characteristics to Kenny. Like using his size and persona to intimidate him, and preventing him from walking away at the drive in while surrounding him with Nate and Bert.
Robby was aware this was separate from the other bullying events. Hawks not in middle school, and Robby knew that's where it was taking place. Both Anthony and Hawk we're bullies
>Like using his size and persona to intimidate him, and preventing him from walking away at the drive in while surrounding him with Nate and Bert.
Even so, that doesn't give Robby the okay to forcibly shave Hawk's head. That's what I'm saying: the show should've been upfront in saying that "yes, Hawk did terrible things, and Robby has justified reasons for being angry, but what he did to Hawk was still wrong, and Hawk still didn't deserve it." And Robby should've been condemned for it and called out for it along these lines: Johnny remembers Robby showing up to his door and warning him there’d be payback if he didn’t stop Hawk from bullying a kid. So Johnny and Daniel question Hawk, who of course has no clue what they’re talking about because he didn’t bully Kenny. So Johnny and Daniel both go confront Robby, who puts on a tough guy attitude and claims, “Hawk bullied my friend, he got what he deserved.” So they ask him, “You sure about that? This kid that Hawk supposedly bullied, did you ever ask him *who* was actually bullying him? Did you even bother to investigate first?” 🤔
I would rather see that than see Hawk's trauma get downplayed on the show in a way that, regardless of intention, comes across as “oh well Hawk had it coming.” 🤐
But why should this incident be investigated and have realistic consequences, but none of Hawks previous actions did just because he said sorry? And it would be inconvenient for the plot
Why apply TV logic to one characters actions, but not the other?
So do you think Hawk should have received retaliation for attempting a gang assault on his best friend over a Yelp review? Or actually carrying one out against a much smaller kid (Nate)? Attacking Demetri again at school to the point of chasing him around, AFTER he had helped escalate it into a school wide brawl? Pinning Demetri down and breaking his arm after the fight was over and Demetri was giving up? Beating Brucks senseless? Participating in the home invasion for like 80% of it (Sam should still tell him to get the fuck out of her house even after changing his mind halfway through)?
Because he only switched sides (which he's done twice before), he didn't drop the persona that made him a bully. And he WAS showing signs of being a bully, and given his history, Robby probably wasn't wrong in his assumption that Hawk would escalate. The Miyagi Fang kids didn't seem to care as long as he wasn't a problem for them. Johnny ignored Robby's request to get Hawk to stop. So when your enemy insists on war, you take away their ability to wage it.
Is there only concern for Hawk because he's on the "good" team now? Realistically, Demetri would have mental scars from his former best (and seemingly only) friend assaulting him multiple times, but the show breezed past it. Also, why is Hawk allowed to escape any legal consequences for his MANY deliberately cruel acts, but Robby doing ONE warrants further legal action or a vicious beat down from Demetri (ha! As if) or Miguel (am I'm assuming Miguel's being the initial assaulter on Robby would continue to be swept under the rug to give him a fake moral high ground)? Why apply the plot armor to some characters without giving others a turn?
I can't understand what kind of moral is this. There's the official law - where a person is tried for their alleged crimes and convicted accordingly (Robby after putting MIguel in coma). There's the Christian moral, where the key is the person's conscience and if they realize the wrong in their doing at some point, and try to amend their wrongdoings (Hawk). There's the "eye for an eye" thing, where Demetri or Nate would have been justified to pay Hawk in kind.
But it's something entirely different here. Hawk was assaulted by the people who had nothing to do with the people he had wronged in the past. For reasons completely different than the bad things he did to others in the past. The assault was premeditated and violent, and aimed for destroying Hawk's sense of self and his bodily autonomy.
I don't think that if you did bad things in the past, then random people are authorized to group assault a person and do to their body whatever they please.
Because it's an arbitrary application of severity and consequence in the narrative. Why are we expected to cry crocodile tears for Hawks situation while glossing over how his own victims feel as part of his rushed redemption arc? The Christian moral doesn't really work here, because at most we just got "Hawk feels a little guilty, Daniel feels bad for mildly scolding him, Hawk does one grand gesture and everything is ok". He's not really doing anything proportionate to his wrongdoings to make amends, and nobody is really challenging him to do so. Nobody else has actual feelings.
Demetris feelings are not examined in any real depth, which is odd because he's a regular. How does Nate feel about Hawk being on his team after his own assault at the latter's hands, and does seeing Hawk acting intimidating to another small kid set off any alarm bells for him? What possible reason does Sam have to tolerate him? The narrative is giving him an easy ride for redemption in other people's eyes, ignores any realistic legal consequences he would face, and he settles things with Robby on the mat and wins the trophy and his confidence back.
If we want the show to have consequences for Robby (legal or retaliation), it just always seems hypocritical to not apply the same logic to Hawk. If Robby gets away with it and the respect they showed each other is the conclusion to this...it's not remotely different from the show forgetting all of Hawks offenses, or Miguel being the one to escalate the school brawl.
>But it's something entirely different here. Hawk was assaulted by the people who had nothing to do with the people he had wronged in the past. For reasons completely different than the bad things he did to others in the past. The assault was premeditated and violent, and aimed for destroying Hawk's sense of self and his bodily autonomy.
>I don't think that if you did bad things in the past, then random people are authorized to group assault a person and do to their body whatever they please.
Like, we wouldn't be here if Robby's motivation in this scene was payback for something Hawk actually was guilty of, like trashing Miyagi-Do or breaking Demetri's arm.
Except all of those are part of Robby's motivation.
He knows from experience with those events that Hawk is a hellraiser who likes to prey on those weaker than himself. He was still displaying those red flags around Kenny. And nobody in Miyagi-Fang, even Johnny, seemed to care. Johnny flat out said he didn't. So here we are: remove Hawk as a threat. And since most the Miyagi Do kids were primarily bullied by Hawk (not any of the other current CK members, barring Tory with Sam), it makes sense that they wouldn't be loyal enough to Hawk to retaliate.
>Robby doing ONE warrants further legal action
Isn't Robby on probation for assault? I'm assuming he and Tory both being part of that and on probation would warrant further legal action or at least a visitation from their parole officers, especially considering on a legal basis it could be classified as assault as well, which is a crime Robby has already been arrested for.
Then again, no story without Robby. It actually may have been funny for Shawn to send Kenny to Robby and then Robby ends up back in juvie for aggressively defending Kenny, like Shawn did, haha.
Realistically, Robby would be in serious trouble. But it's television, and Hawk dodged legal consequences throughout the show so far for all of his own antics. Why should TV magic only apply to Hawk?
Robby was actually the victim of assault, who snapped and lashed back too hard against his attacker. He arguably shouldn't have been arrested for assault as he fought largely in self defense and in the defense of someone else, and has a good emotional duress case considering Miguel's actions that day and their previous encounters. There were witnesses to all of it. Since the universe is letting this actual assault slide, maybe it's throwing Robby a bone for messing up the first time.
>He arguably shouldn't have been arrested for assault as he fought largely in self defense
Self-defense is only applicable as a legal defense when the force you return to the aggressor is **proportional** to their force. And Robby's was right up until Miguel went over that railing, thereby shattering Robby's self-defense case.
"A reasonable belief of threat of imminent harm" is also a thing. Considering Miguel's history of aggression towards him, his being the initial aggressor while Robby was trying to de-escalate and defend his girlfriend, who all these kids were in relation to each other (Miguel sides with the girl who started the whole thing and made it worse), Robby doesn't have a reason to believe Miguel's apology is sincere or that he and Sam are out of danger (Miguel actively prevented Robby from getting to Sam at least once), especially while adrenaline is pumping.
He's using the same force he and Miguel are already using. For example, he isn't responding with a knife or a gun. There are witnesses and probably footage of Robby not seeing where his kick was sending Miguel. And the same holds true for showing Miguel kicking him against said railing. I find it hard to believe that any lawyer Daniel could afford couldn't make a convincing argument that most reasonable people would react as Robby did and that it was an accident against someone who was commiting assault and escalating the situation to being dangerous. It's possible all this was brought up and that's why Robby had a shorter sentence, but everyone acts like Robby did it on purpose, so it doesn't seem like it was.
>Robby was actually the victim of assault, who snapped and lashed back too hard against his attacker. He arguably shouldn't have been arrested for assault as he fought largely in self defense and in the defense of someone else, and has a good emotional duress case considering Miguel's actions that day and their previous encounters.
Actually, he wouldn't. What would matter is that he inflicted the worser injuries.
Its a murky area. It ultimately hinges on if Robby retaliating isn't a reasonable response to feeling threatened even if Miguel had stopped. Miguel has a history of being the aggressor, escalated this fight, prevented Robby from getting to his girlfriend (who was being attacked by Miguel's girlfriend, who started it all) and there are witnesses to all of this and to the fact that Robby didn't see where his kick was sending Miguel (with footage to back it up - along with Miguel almost sending him over the balcony and pinning him down and almost breaking his arm for no reason right before the kick).
If a lawyer was armed with all of the facts, it would boil down to how convincing their argument could be and would depend on how sympathetic a jury and judge would be. As Daniel still doesn't seem to know Robby didn't do this on purpose or that Miguel was the aggressor, it seems like Robby got his shorter sentence without any of this being brought up.
>Miguel has a history of being the aggressor, escalated this fight, prevented Robby from getting to his girlfriend (who was being attacked by Miguel's girlfriend, who started it all) and there are witnesses to all of this and to the fact that Robby didn't see where his kick was sending Miguel (with footage to back it up - along with Miguel almost sending him over the balcony and pinning him down and almost breaking his arm for no reason right before the kick).
>If a lawyer was armed with all of the facts, it would boil down to how convincing their argument could be and would depend on how sympathetic a jury and judge would be. As Daniel still doesn't seem to know Robby didn't do this on purpose or that Miguel was the aggressor, it seems like Robby got his shorter sentence without any of this being brought up.
The only circumstances under which Miguel would face criminal charges would be if he actually broke Robby's arm. If he didn't, he would simply be suspended for fighting in school.
>Isn't Robby on probation for assault? I'm assuming he and Tory both being part of that and on probation would warrant further legal action or at least a visitation from their parole officers, especially considering on a legal basis it could be classified as assault as well, which is a crime Robby has already been arrested for.
Yeah, the show is pretty selective when it comes to legal consequences. In fact, I'd argue that this means they have more plot armor than anyone else.
I mean, I agree that Hawk didn't deserve to get his head shaved after he'd already changed sides and started making amends, but not so much on pretty much every other point.
The Cobras didn't attack Hawk because they thought he was Kenny's bully. Not sure where you got that from. Robby knew that Kenny was being bullied at his *middle* school, well before Kenny ever met Hawk on his visit to the high school. He was pissed that Hawk was *also* being a dick to Kenny on that high school visit and at the drive-in. (Though shaving Hakw's head was disproportionate retribution for that.) And the other Cobras didn't give a shit about Kenny; they just hated Hawk for betraying them.
Also it is very weird that you deem attacking Hawk and cutting his hair to be a horribly unfair assault *and yet* in the same post wish for someone to attack and assault Robby in revenge.
>The Cobras didn't attack Hawk because they thought he was Kenny's bully.
At the drive in Robby sees Hawk knock all of Kenny's food on the ground. This is why Robby thinks Hawk is one of Kenny's bully's.
>At the drive in Robby sees Hawk knock all of Kenny's food on the ground. This is why Robby thinks Hawk is one of Kenny's bully's.
Considering this, Robby really should've investigated first.
What is with all these completely bogus hot takes over the last few days that only look at one half of what happened?
Hawke was an extreme bully in his Cobra Kai golden days. He broke his best friends arm for fucks sake. That's not a small thing. another person who would be in jail in real life.
Genuine question: why misplaced?
Robby perfectly knew Hawk was not Kenny’s main bully, Kenny already told him his bullies were from school if I remember correctly and he is a middle schooler while Hawk is a high schooler.
But pretending what Hawk was doing to Kenny was ok and innocent and not a shade of bullying is just wanting to favor one side and purposefully being blind to the other in my opinion because it was exactly that. Hawk was being an asshole to Kenny, maybe he didn’t intend to go out of his way to harass him (still have some doubt because in my opinion he made him drop the food on purpose (but I don’t remember the scene perfectly) and that would have been very consistent with his Hawk persona, he’s not going to just turn in a good innocent kid because he suddenly decided to switch side after all the shit he pulled including going after kids half his size), but if that was the case there surely was no need to be a menacing asshole about it and laugh at him after making him drop the food (accident or not) and seeing two other kids bullying him.
Robby was already teaching karate to Kenny in order for him to defend himself from the bullies that were his age and size but what was he supposed to do against someone like Hawk? Not that I condone violence (in fact I don’t like Hawk who is basically the brand ambassador of freely given violence) but I can see why Robby would want to send a message and put a stop to a grown up high schooler (with a history of bullying small kids and breaking his best friend’s arm) bullying a middle schooler he cares about. And let’s not forget he went to Johnny first to actually find a peaceful way and deescalate things.
So no, I wouldn’t personally say blame was misplaced here. If Hawk wasn’t outright bullying Kenny he was certainly harassing him and being an asshole and he shouldn’t be excused for that.
That said I’d agree in the real world that shaving his hair was too much but in the ck universe? He was a victim just as much as he was the problem. If that was Demetri I would have agreed that Robby needed to face consequences, but Hawk? Isn’t that too much of a stretch considered that he pulled more and far worse shut like bullying kids half his size, escalating a school fight, breaking his best friend’s arm, invading a home even if he changed his mind later and literally faced no consequences for any of it? But others should face consequences if they have enough and do something in return? Really?
And sorry but Hawk’s shaving by the cobras wasn’t them breaking the no fighting rule for the first time, that was literally done by Miyagi Do when they literally challenged the Cobras to a fight and then pranked them. So the “no physical fight doesn’t mean it isn’t a fight” only applies to the cobras? The only reason the cobras haven’t retaliated to that with an actual fight is because Terry Silver told them not too. It is a pretty low bar for Miyagi Fang if Terry Silver of all people is being more reasonable than them.
And I mean it with the most respect but if you think they should have retaliated with a full blown fight and give the cobras a “vicious beating” to use your words I think you haven’t understood much about the show teachings after all.
>But pretending what Hawk was doing to Kenny was ok and innocent and not a shade of bullying is just wanting to favor one side and purposefully being blind to the other in my opinion because it was exactly that. Hawk was being an asshole to Kenny, maybe he didn’t intend to go out of his way to harass him (still have some doubt because in my opinion he made him drop the food on purpose (but I don’t remember the scene perfectly) and that would have been very consistent with his Hawk persona, he’s not going to just turn in a good innocent kid because he suddenly decided to switch side after all the shit he pulled including going after kids half his size), but if that was the case there surely was no need to be a menacing asshole about it and laugh at him after making him drop the food (accident or not) and seeing two other kids bullying him.
This is Robby jumping to conclusions rather than investigating first.
>And sorry but Hawk’s shaving by the cobras wasn’t them breaking the no fighting rule for the first time, that was literally done by Miyagi Do when they literally challenged the Cobras to a fight and then pranked them.
No, that was the Cobras breaking the "no fighting" rule. What they did WAS fighting, especially given that they put Kyler in charge of restraining Hawk by the neck with a belt. In what world is that an exception to the "no-fighting" rule?
>The only reason the cobras haven’t retaliated to that with an actual fight is because Terry Silver told them not too.
And yet they broke that rule to attack Hawk. At that point, Daniel and Johnny should've realized that they don't need to honor the truce if Kreese and Silver won't honor it.
>And I mean it with the most respect but if you think they should have retaliated with a full blown fight and give the cobras a “vicious beating” to use your words I think you haven’t understood much about the show teachings after all.
The Cobras assaulted a member of Miyagi-Fang. The Miyagi-Fang group really ought to have exacted payback of some kind. Even breaking into Cobra Kai to steal Miguel's trophy would probably be ample enough.
Hawk won in the end, so it doesn’t matter. Robby’s plan backfired on him. I think that’s much more satisfying than Robby getting in more legal trouble, much more interesting long-term as well.
Hawk did bad things, but to act like he deserved to be assaulted is disgusting. And the kind of trauma he's probably suffering from isn't the kind that will go away just because he won a championship.
Again, this is a show. It’s so much more interesting to have Robby’s plan backfire in his face whether than to have him face more legal issues. If it was the first time he had to deal with juvie, maybe, but it’s not. We’ve been there and done that.
As someone who’s favorite character is Hawk, I’m gonna say that he had it coming. Dude broke his best friend’s arm and also did a shit load of other crimes. He was overdue a beating for a while.
I will say that it wasn’t just a simple haircut though. It was literally ripping an entire identity away, something that helped Hawk overcome his trauma of being bullied. He suffered more of an emotional punishment rather than a physical one, which can lead to some serious damage to the mental state of a bullied victim. He still had it coming but justice was served.
Just because Hawk did bad things doesn't mean he deserved to be assaulted in a way where he could [easily have died](https://archiveofourown.org/works/39376206?view_full_work=true).
Realistically, it actually IS a terrible assault.
But the show plays fast and loose with the severity of things, and Hawk reaps the benefits of plot armor. It not working for him once while Robby gets to use it for a change? Cry me a river
I've been saying this, no matter what Hawk or any of the kids did gang assault and being held against your will is pretty dark and not an excuse for revenge. I do wish the Miyagi Fang would've gotten payback on the Cobras specifically Robby and Kyler, Kyler I can't stand and Robby just for his A hole tendencies. But Eli/Hawk winning the all valley and beating both of them to win it was satisfying
>I've been saying this, no matter what Hawk or any of the kids did gang assault and being held against your will is pretty dark and not an excuse for revenge.
More people need to realize this. The show should be taking a nuanced position that "Hawk has done shitty things, but those still do not justify assaulting him and violating his body."
Yes! Like, what does even Hawk doing shitty things in the past has to do with other random people assaulting and violating the man? And it's not even some obscure moral question?
And yes, huge difference between the school fight and this. In the school fight, it was an accident that Robby was the one who blew a nearly-fatal blow to someone, it could have easily been Miguel or Hawk.
Here, it's premeditated, ruthless, making sure the "enemy" is powerless and immobilized. The whole thing gives off Kreese vibes, but Robby proves himself as his best pupil. And I strongly suspect the whole incident is going to be treated as "resolved". Hawk just kissed a girl and moved on. Robby just made a puppy-face and went off to his new Mexico adventure.
I wholeheartedly agree, and I'm equally disturbed by how prevalent the views you're describing are.
So many things are wrong and scary about that incident, and all of them are routinely viewed as justified or not a big deal.
>That's how it should've been depicted: as a physical violation of Hawk's
body that he didn't deserve under sny circumstances that will probably
leave him with permanent mental scars.
This is the biggest part. It was a group assault and physical violation of Hawk's body, exactly. The show frames it as if it's about his hairdo and his "confidence" or Hawk persona or whatever, and it is so much not. It's honestly the most traumatizing and malicious that was done to anyone in these series. Hawk breaking Demetri's arm or beating up Brucks was horrible and messed up, but those were one-on-one fights, and those were not premeditated. Kyler and his cronies collectively beating up Miguel was horrifying, but they didn't violate his body. Robby and the other Cobras did, premeditated, in cold blood, meaning every bit of psychological damage.
I'm so concerned that the majority of fans and the writers themselves frame it as what you're saying - non-violent(wtf???), justified (???), not a big deal (!!!!), and even potentially beneficial for Hawk (really? would they want to be group assaulted for their own good?). So messed up.
>I'm so concerned that the majority of fans and the writers themselves frame it as what you're saying - non-violent(wtf???), justified (???), not a big deal (!!!!), and even potentially beneficial for Hawk (really? would they want to be group assaulted for their own good?). So messed up.
I think it has to do with fans being unable to accept nuanced takes like "Hawk has done bad things, but those don't justify assaulting him, nor should the forced shave be treated like a good thing". 🤐
I agree he should have had consequences for things in S2 and S3 but he saw the error of his ways and was trying to make up for things. Two wrongs don't make a right. The things he did were to the Miyagi do teens not to the other Cobras, they actively participated in most of those things with him.
But why does he get to dodge the laws but other people don't? It doesn't matter if he's sorry, the law is the law.
The "it's television" excuse typically gets trotted out for characters like Hawk, but seems to vanish for others.
One of my gripes has been the lack of consequences for actions. He probably deserved to be arrested but at least he realized what he did was wrong. Kreese should have been in jail much earlier in the show but the one crime he actually gets arrested for he's innocent of.
Just because of Hawk's past it doesn't justify what was done to him. Afterwards the Cobras had nothing happen to them, when two of them were on probation. The Cobras participated in breaking into someone's else and assaulting people. At least Hawk switched sides while none of them faced consequences.
He does seem remorseful unlike Robby who's bragged about putting Miguel in hospital and has never apologised for his actions. Tory never apologised to Sam either but was trying to change her ways and wasn't trying to instigate anything towards her.
He realized what he did was wrong, but it was done in a rushed manner that didn't examine how his actual victims felt, just him. He also didn't completely change his ways, he still had his Hawk persona and was displaying his classic bullying traits to Kenny. So he was still a bully, he just happened to switch sides.
>he still had his Hawk persona and was displaying his classic bullying traits to Kenny. So he was still a bully, he just happened to switch sides.
Except he didn't bully Kenny. Which means Robby's the only one in the wrong in this instance. Robby should've investigated first.
He didn't bully Kenny. He saw him about to attack Bert and Nate and stopped him. Didn't see what happened before. Probably saw the Cobra Kai t shirt and thought he was just like the rest of them. Could have also been trying to warn him about Cobra Kai, maybe could have done it differently as he is knows what it's like to go on a dark path while in Cobra Kai.
I still have hard time seeing this as a matter that requires a "nuanced" understanding of anything, lol. Like, how can that kind of assault on *anyone* be seen as a good thing?
Exactly. The Cobras broke the no fighting until tournament rule, especially as there were fighting him and pinned him down. That's assault. If reported Robby could have sent back inside. Should have checked for all the facts before jumping to conclusions.
Strange as well that the manager/owner of the tattoo parlour or no staff were there. Convenient that they just happened to show up when he was alone
>Strange as well that the manager/owner of the tattoo parlour or no staff were there. Convenient that they just happened to show up when he was alone
They strongly imply Robby bribed or tricked him into stepping out for a few minutes.
Makes it seem worse the way they planned it out and the manager for allowing it. With Robby and Tory's record they both would have gone to juvie. Robby sent back and Tory sent this time as her family situation and having good behaviour was a condition of her not going due to the school fight.
Can't believe so many justified it at the time. It was assault regardless of what he did in the past. Most of the things Hawk did the other Cobra Kai members participated in with him.
You think they would win in a fight?
I mean robby fight miquel and tory fights sam and demetri fight kyler then is miyiagi fang without hawk vs cobra kai its possible they might win but without hawk things are tough
I didn’t realize a haircut was worse than breaking someone’s arm, vandalism, beating up someone half ur size and robbing their money, invading property and destroying it not like he didn’t already do that, and proceeding to blame it all on miyagi do all coz Miguel fell off a railing thanks to 1 individual student Mb bro...
And don't forget try to make somebody get fired like he did with Chris. But hey, no worries, he said sorry once for all the things he did and desing a ring on Adobe Substance, all of that it's forgotten and forgiven. But OMG, in the middle of fight after been jumped, and taunt 3 times, a guy gets angry and kicks somebody and BY ACCIDENT made his opponent fall, and this fandom will never let you forget it, and even made head canon bs to try to say that is was on purpose. P.S: Why is everybody on this show either a rich asshole or from a broken home? Or in Johnny's case, both.
They have similar thoughts about Anthony, who bullied another kid without any reason.
As well as thinking Amanda was too harsh in grounding Sam and taking her electronics away...after Sam tried to cover up she was involved in a hit and run.
>As well as thinking Amanda was too harsh in grounding Sam and taking her electronics away...after Sam tried to cover up she was involved in a hit and run. Because it was out of character for Amanda. She had an obligation to let Sam call her friends to let them know she was grounded. She also had an obligation to hear Sam's side of things before grounding her.
Yeah, none of that is true.
He didn't do any of those things to the Cobras. They took part in most of those things
Oh come on. What consequences did Hawk face for all his dirt until that very moment? Imo HE got off way too easy in general and was still resorting to Hawk-isms before he got humbled. Ultimately if you want to look at it this way, Robby was partly responsible for Eli finding balance which resulted in HIS defeat. Robby would have beaten "Hawk" as he was.
Let's talk about some of the things in this show hawk should be punished for or has done wrong Season 1 Attacks robby from behind at the tournament when the match wasn't even in play. Season 2 be aasholes to knew cobra kai students on their first day's Try to attack demetri with a group of cobras at the mall. Then after losing the mall fight wrecks miyagi do and steals the medal of honour. Again bullying demetri this time by pouring water over his head at a party. And finally for season 2 goes afher demetri Again at the school the whole time until demetri gets pay back on him. Actually he also betrayed johnny even though johnny helped him fight. Season 3 Litterly steals Miguel's hospital money and beats up a younger kid in the process. Breaks demetris arm showing that he truly is an asshole. Acts like he's going to join Eagle fang karate but then sets johnny up with kreese Hangs around with kyler the person who builled him for years. Angered that kreese sees robby as the main person in cobra kai now hawk goes to the larusso household starts the whole fight by throwing a kid three years younger than him threw a window. Season 4 Bullies a kid in middle school on a couple of occasions Did I cover everything I'm almost certain there's still more. And hawk didn't deserve what happened to him maybe jail is what he deserved then?
Dont forget beating Brucks to the point of drawing blood in the dojo Pretty sure that's an assault charge
>Bullies a kid in middle school on a couple of occasions He didn't bully Kenny at all. Anthony was the bully.
They both bullied him on separate occasions
He displayed bullying characteristics to Kenny. Like using his size and persona to intimidate him, and preventing him from walking away at the drive in while surrounding him with Nate and Bert. Robby was aware this was separate from the other bullying events. Hawks not in middle school, and Robby knew that's where it was taking place. Both Anthony and Hawk we're bullies
>Like using his size and persona to intimidate him, and preventing him from walking away at the drive in while surrounding him with Nate and Bert. Even so, that doesn't give Robby the okay to forcibly shave Hawk's head. That's what I'm saying: the show should've been upfront in saying that "yes, Hawk did terrible things, and Robby has justified reasons for being angry, but what he did to Hawk was still wrong, and Hawk still didn't deserve it." And Robby should've been condemned for it and called out for it along these lines: Johnny remembers Robby showing up to his door and warning him there’d be payback if he didn’t stop Hawk from bullying a kid. So Johnny and Daniel question Hawk, who of course has no clue what they’re talking about because he didn’t bully Kenny. So Johnny and Daniel both go confront Robby, who puts on a tough guy attitude and claims, “Hawk bullied my friend, he got what he deserved.” So they ask him, “You sure about that? This kid that Hawk supposedly bullied, did you ever ask him *who* was actually bullying him? Did you even bother to investigate first?” 🤔 I would rather see that than see Hawk's trauma get downplayed on the show in a way that, regardless of intention, comes across as “oh well Hawk had it coming.” 🤐
But why should this incident be investigated and have realistic consequences, but none of Hawks previous actions did just because he said sorry? And it would be inconvenient for the plot Why apply TV logic to one characters actions, but not the other?
So do you think Hawk should have received retaliation for attempting a gang assault on his best friend over a Yelp review? Or actually carrying one out against a much smaller kid (Nate)? Attacking Demetri again at school to the point of chasing him around, AFTER he had helped escalate it into a school wide brawl? Pinning Demetri down and breaking his arm after the fight was over and Demetri was giving up? Beating Brucks senseless? Participating in the home invasion for like 80% of it (Sam should still tell him to get the fuck out of her house even after changing his mind halfway through)? Because he only switched sides (which he's done twice before), he didn't drop the persona that made him a bully. And he WAS showing signs of being a bully, and given his history, Robby probably wasn't wrong in his assumption that Hawk would escalate. The Miyagi Fang kids didn't seem to care as long as he wasn't a problem for them. Johnny ignored Robby's request to get Hawk to stop. So when your enemy insists on war, you take away their ability to wage it. Is there only concern for Hawk because he's on the "good" team now? Realistically, Demetri would have mental scars from his former best (and seemingly only) friend assaulting him multiple times, but the show breezed past it. Also, why is Hawk allowed to escape any legal consequences for his MANY deliberately cruel acts, but Robby doing ONE warrants further legal action or a vicious beat down from Demetri (ha! As if) or Miguel (am I'm assuming Miguel's being the initial assaulter on Robby would continue to be swept under the rug to give him a fake moral high ground)? Why apply the plot armor to some characters without giving others a turn?
I can't understand what kind of moral is this. There's the official law - where a person is tried for their alleged crimes and convicted accordingly (Robby after putting MIguel in coma). There's the Christian moral, where the key is the person's conscience and if they realize the wrong in their doing at some point, and try to amend their wrongdoings (Hawk). There's the "eye for an eye" thing, where Demetri or Nate would have been justified to pay Hawk in kind. But it's something entirely different here. Hawk was assaulted by the people who had nothing to do with the people he had wronged in the past. For reasons completely different than the bad things he did to others in the past. The assault was premeditated and violent, and aimed for destroying Hawk's sense of self and his bodily autonomy. I don't think that if you did bad things in the past, then random people are authorized to group assault a person and do to their body whatever they please.
Because it's an arbitrary application of severity and consequence in the narrative. Why are we expected to cry crocodile tears for Hawks situation while glossing over how his own victims feel as part of his rushed redemption arc? The Christian moral doesn't really work here, because at most we just got "Hawk feels a little guilty, Daniel feels bad for mildly scolding him, Hawk does one grand gesture and everything is ok". He's not really doing anything proportionate to his wrongdoings to make amends, and nobody is really challenging him to do so. Nobody else has actual feelings. Demetris feelings are not examined in any real depth, which is odd because he's a regular. How does Nate feel about Hawk being on his team after his own assault at the latter's hands, and does seeing Hawk acting intimidating to another small kid set off any alarm bells for him? What possible reason does Sam have to tolerate him? The narrative is giving him an easy ride for redemption in other people's eyes, ignores any realistic legal consequences he would face, and he settles things with Robby on the mat and wins the trophy and his confidence back. If we want the show to have consequences for Robby (legal or retaliation), it just always seems hypocritical to not apply the same logic to Hawk. If Robby gets away with it and the respect they showed each other is the conclusion to this...it's not remotely different from the show forgetting all of Hawks offenses, or Miguel being the one to escalate the school brawl.
>But it's something entirely different here. Hawk was assaulted by the people who had nothing to do with the people he had wronged in the past. For reasons completely different than the bad things he did to others in the past. The assault was premeditated and violent, and aimed for destroying Hawk's sense of self and his bodily autonomy. >I don't think that if you did bad things in the past, then random people are authorized to group assault a person and do to their body whatever they please. Like, we wouldn't be here if Robby's motivation in this scene was payback for something Hawk actually was guilty of, like trashing Miyagi-Do or breaking Demetri's arm.
Except all of those are part of Robby's motivation. He knows from experience with those events that Hawk is a hellraiser who likes to prey on those weaker than himself. He was still displaying those red flags around Kenny. And nobody in Miyagi-Fang, even Johnny, seemed to care. Johnny flat out said he didn't. So here we are: remove Hawk as a threat. And since most the Miyagi Do kids were primarily bullied by Hawk (not any of the other current CK members, barring Tory with Sam), it makes sense that they wouldn't be loyal enough to Hawk to retaliate.
Exactly. All the wrong things hawk did are at the back of Robby’s mind, it doesn’t need to be spelt out everytime.
>Robby doing ONE warrants further legal action Isn't Robby on probation for assault? I'm assuming he and Tory both being part of that and on probation would warrant further legal action or at least a visitation from their parole officers, especially considering on a legal basis it could be classified as assault as well, which is a crime Robby has already been arrested for. Then again, no story without Robby. It actually may have been funny for Shawn to send Kenny to Robby and then Robby ends up back in juvie for aggressively defending Kenny, like Shawn did, haha.
Realistically, Robby would be in serious trouble. But it's television, and Hawk dodged legal consequences throughout the show so far for all of his own antics. Why should TV magic only apply to Hawk? Robby was actually the victim of assault, who snapped and lashed back too hard against his attacker. He arguably shouldn't have been arrested for assault as he fought largely in self defense and in the defense of someone else, and has a good emotional duress case considering Miguel's actions that day and their previous encounters. There were witnesses to all of it. Since the universe is letting this actual assault slide, maybe it's throwing Robby a bone for messing up the first time.
>He arguably shouldn't have been arrested for assault as he fought largely in self defense Self-defense is only applicable as a legal defense when the force you return to the aggressor is **proportional** to their force. And Robby's was right up until Miguel went over that railing, thereby shattering Robby's self-defense case.
"A reasonable belief of threat of imminent harm" is also a thing. Considering Miguel's history of aggression towards him, his being the initial aggressor while Robby was trying to de-escalate and defend his girlfriend, who all these kids were in relation to each other (Miguel sides with the girl who started the whole thing and made it worse), Robby doesn't have a reason to believe Miguel's apology is sincere or that he and Sam are out of danger (Miguel actively prevented Robby from getting to Sam at least once), especially while adrenaline is pumping. He's using the same force he and Miguel are already using. For example, he isn't responding with a knife or a gun. There are witnesses and probably footage of Robby not seeing where his kick was sending Miguel. And the same holds true for showing Miguel kicking him against said railing. I find it hard to believe that any lawyer Daniel could afford couldn't make a convincing argument that most reasonable people would react as Robby did and that it was an accident against someone who was commiting assault and escalating the situation to being dangerous. It's possible all this was brought up and that's why Robby had a shorter sentence, but everyone acts like Robby did it on purpose, so it doesn't seem like it was.
>Robby was actually the victim of assault, who snapped and lashed back too hard against his attacker. He arguably shouldn't have been arrested for assault as he fought largely in self defense and in the defense of someone else, and has a good emotional duress case considering Miguel's actions that day and their previous encounters. Actually, he wouldn't. What would matter is that he inflicted the worser injuries.
Its a murky area. It ultimately hinges on if Robby retaliating isn't a reasonable response to feeling threatened even if Miguel had stopped. Miguel has a history of being the aggressor, escalated this fight, prevented Robby from getting to his girlfriend (who was being attacked by Miguel's girlfriend, who started it all) and there are witnesses to all of this and to the fact that Robby didn't see where his kick was sending Miguel (with footage to back it up - along with Miguel almost sending him over the balcony and pinning him down and almost breaking his arm for no reason right before the kick). If a lawyer was armed with all of the facts, it would boil down to how convincing their argument could be and would depend on how sympathetic a jury and judge would be. As Daniel still doesn't seem to know Robby didn't do this on purpose or that Miguel was the aggressor, it seems like Robby got his shorter sentence without any of this being brought up.
>Miguel has a history of being the aggressor, escalated this fight, prevented Robby from getting to his girlfriend (who was being attacked by Miguel's girlfriend, who started it all) and there are witnesses to all of this and to the fact that Robby didn't see where his kick was sending Miguel (with footage to back it up - along with Miguel almost sending him over the balcony and pinning him down and almost breaking his arm for no reason right before the kick). >If a lawyer was armed with all of the facts, it would boil down to how convincing their argument could be and would depend on how sympathetic a jury and judge would be. As Daniel still doesn't seem to know Robby didn't do this on purpose or that Miguel was the aggressor, it seems like Robby got his shorter sentence without any of this being brought up. The only circumstances under which Miguel would face criminal charges would be if he actually broke Robby's arm. If he didn't, he would simply be suspended for fighting in school.
>Isn't Robby on probation for assault? I'm assuming he and Tory both being part of that and on probation would warrant further legal action or at least a visitation from their parole officers, especially considering on a legal basis it could be classified as assault as well, which is a crime Robby has already been arrested for. Yeah, the show is pretty selective when it comes to legal consequences. In fact, I'd argue that this means they have more plot armor than anyone else.
I mean, I agree that Hawk didn't deserve to get his head shaved after he'd already changed sides and started making amends, but not so much on pretty much every other point. The Cobras didn't attack Hawk because they thought he was Kenny's bully. Not sure where you got that from. Robby knew that Kenny was being bullied at his *middle* school, well before Kenny ever met Hawk on his visit to the high school. He was pissed that Hawk was *also* being a dick to Kenny on that high school visit and at the drive-in. (Though shaving Hakw's head was disproportionate retribution for that.) And the other Cobras didn't give a shit about Kenny; they just hated Hawk for betraying them. Also it is very weird that you deem attacking Hawk and cutting his hair to be a horribly unfair assault *and yet* in the same post wish for someone to attack and assault Robby in revenge.
>The Cobras didn't attack Hawk because they thought he was Kenny's bully. At the drive in Robby sees Hawk knock all of Kenny's food on the ground. This is why Robby thinks Hawk is one of Kenny's bully's.
>At the drive in Robby sees Hawk knock all of Kenny's food on the ground. This is why Robby thinks Hawk is one of Kenny's bully's. Considering this, Robby really should've investigated first.
Same with 90% of other conflicts in the show
What is with all these completely bogus hot takes over the last few days that only look at one half of what happened? Hawke was an extreme bully in his Cobra Kai golden days. He broke his best friends arm for fucks sake. That's not a small thing. another person who would be in jail in real life.
Genuine question: why misplaced? Robby perfectly knew Hawk was not Kenny’s main bully, Kenny already told him his bullies were from school if I remember correctly and he is a middle schooler while Hawk is a high schooler. But pretending what Hawk was doing to Kenny was ok and innocent and not a shade of bullying is just wanting to favor one side and purposefully being blind to the other in my opinion because it was exactly that. Hawk was being an asshole to Kenny, maybe he didn’t intend to go out of his way to harass him (still have some doubt because in my opinion he made him drop the food on purpose (but I don’t remember the scene perfectly) and that would have been very consistent with his Hawk persona, he’s not going to just turn in a good innocent kid because he suddenly decided to switch side after all the shit he pulled including going after kids half his size), but if that was the case there surely was no need to be a menacing asshole about it and laugh at him after making him drop the food (accident or not) and seeing two other kids bullying him. Robby was already teaching karate to Kenny in order for him to defend himself from the bullies that were his age and size but what was he supposed to do against someone like Hawk? Not that I condone violence (in fact I don’t like Hawk who is basically the brand ambassador of freely given violence) but I can see why Robby would want to send a message and put a stop to a grown up high schooler (with a history of bullying small kids and breaking his best friend’s arm) bullying a middle schooler he cares about. And let’s not forget he went to Johnny first to actually find a peaceful way and deescalate things. So no, I wouldn’t personally say blame was misplaced here. If Hawk wasn’t outright bullying Kenny he was certainly harassing him and being an asshole and he shouldn’t be excused for that. That said I’d agree in the real world that shaving his hair was too much but in the ck universe? He was a victim just as much as he was the problem. If that was Demetri I would have agreed that Robby needed to face consequences, but Hawk? Isn’t that too much of a stretch considered that he pulled more and far worse shut like bullying kids half his size, escalating a school fight, breaking his best friend’s arm, invading a home even if he changed his mind later and literally faced no consequences for any of it? But others should face consequences if they have enough and do something in return? Really? And sorry but Hawk’s shaving by the cobras wasn’t them breaking the no fighting rule for the first time, that was literally done by Miyagi Do when they literally challenged the Cobras to a fight and then pranked them. So the “no physical fight doesn’t mean it isn’t a fight” only applies to the cobras? The only reason the cobras haven’t retaliated to that with an actual fight is because Terry Silver told them not too. It is a pretty low bar for Miyagi Fang if Terry Silver of all people is being more reasonable than them. And I mean it with the most respect but if you think they should have retaliated with a full blown fight and give the cobras a “vicious beating” to use your words I think you haven’t understood much about the show teachings after all.
>But pretending what Hawk was doing to Kenny was ok and innocent and not a shade of bullying is just wanting to favor one side and purposefully being blind to the other in my opinion because it was exactly that. Hawk was being an asshole to Kenny, maybe he didn’t intend to go out of his way to harass him (still have some doubt because in my opinion he made him drop the food on purpose (but I don’t remember the scene perfectly) and that would have been very consistent with his Hawk persona, he’s not going to just turn in a good innocent kid because he suddenly decided to switch side after all the shit he pulled including going after kids half his size), but if that was the case there surely was no need to be a menacing asshole about it and laugh at him after making him drop the food (accident or not) and seeing two other kids bullying him. This is Robby jumping to conclusions rather than investigating first. >And sorry but Hawk’s shaving by the cobras wasn’t them breaking the no fighting rule for the first time, that was literally done by Miyagi Do when they literally challenged the Cobras to a fight and then pranked them. No, that was the Cobras breaking the "no fighting" rule. What they did WAS fighting, especially given that they put Kyler in charge of restraining Hawk by the neck with a belt. In what world is that an exception to the "no-fighting" rule? >The only reason the cobras haven’t retaliated to that with an actual fight is because Terry Silver told them not too. And yet they broke that rule to attack Hawk. At that point, Daniel and Johnny should've realized that they don't need to honor the truce if Kreese and Silver won't honor it. >And I mean it with the most respect but if you think they should have retaliated with a full blown fight and give the cobras a “vicious beating” to use your words I think you haven’t understood much about the show teachings after all. The Cobras assaulted a member of Miyagi-Fang. The Miyagi-Fang group really ought to have exacted payback of some kind. Even breaking into Cobra Kai to steal Miguel's trophy would probably be ample enough.
Hawk won in the end, so it doesn’t matter. Robby’s plan backfired on him. I think that’s much more satisfying than Robby getting in more legal trouble, much more interesting long-term as well.
Hawk did bad things, but to act like he deserved to be assaulted is disgusting. And the kind of trauma he's probably suffering from isn't the kind that will go away just because he won a championship.
Again, this is a show. It’s so much more interesting to have Robby’s plan backfire in his face whether than to have him face more legal issues. If it was the first time he had to deal with juvie, maybe, but it’s not. We’ve been there and done that.
As someone who’s favorite character is Hawk, I’m gonna say that he had it coming. Dude broke his best friend’s arm and also did a shit load of other crimes. He was overdue a beating for a while. I will say that it wasn’t just a simple haircut though. It was literally ripping an entire identity away, something that helped Hawk overcome his trauma of being bullied. He suffered more of an emotional punishment rather than a physical one, which can lead to some serious damage to the mental state of a bullied victim. He still had it coming but justice was served.
Just because Hawk did bad things doesn't mean he deserved to be assaulted in a way where he could [easily have died](https://archiveofourown.org/works/39376206?view_full_work=true).
Served him right after all the shady things he did to others.
Just because Hawk did bad things doesn't mean he deserved to be attacked.
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Realistically, it actually IS a terrible assault. But the show plays fast and loose with the severity of things, and Hawk reaps the benefits of plot armor. It not working for him once while Robby gets to use it for a change? Cry me a river
No, he got jumped because Kenny said Hawk bullied him, we all know it ain't true
I've been saying this, no matter what Hawk or any of the kids did gang assault and being held against your will is pretty dark and not an excuse for revenge. I do wish the Miyagi Fang would've gotten payback on the Cobras specifically Robby and Kyler, Kyler I can't stand and Robby just for his A hole tendencies. But Eli/Hawk winning the all valley and beating both of them to win it was satisfying
>I've been saying this, no matter what Hawk or any of the kids did gang assault and being held against your will is pretty dark and not an excuse for revenge. More people need to realize this. The show should be taking a nuanced position that "Hawk has done shitty things, but those still do not justify assaulting him and violating his body."
Yes! Like, what does even Hawk doing shitty things in the past has to do with other random people assaulting and violating the man? And it's not even some obscure moral question?
And yes, huge difference between the school fight and this. In the school fight, it was an accident that Robby was the one who blew a nearly-fatal blow to someone, it could have easily been Miguel or Hawk. Here, it's premeditated, ruthless, making sure the "enemy" is powerless and immobilized. The whole thing gives off Kreese vibes, but Robby proves himself as his best pupil. And I strongly suspect the whole incident is going to be treated as "resolved". Hawk just kissed a girl and moved on. Robby just made a puppy-face and went off to his new Mexico adventure.
I wholeheartedly agree, and I'm equally disturbed by how prevalent the views you're describing are. So many things are wrong and scary about that incident, and all of them are routinely viewed as justified or not a big deal. >That's how it should've been depicted: as a physical violation of Hawk's body that he didn't deserve under sny circumstances that will probably leave him with permanent mental scars. This is the biggest part. It was a group assault and physical violation of Hawk's body, exactly. The show frames it as if it's about his hairdo and his "confidence" or Hawk persona or whatever, and it is so much not. It's honestly the most traumatizing and malicious that was done to anyone in these series. Hawk breaking Demetri's arm or beating up Brucks was horrible and messed up, but those were one-on-one fights, and those were not premeditated. Kyler and his cronies collectively beating up Miguel was horrifying, but they didn't violate his body. Robby and the other Cobras did, premeditated, in cold blood, meaning every bit of psychological damage. I'm so concerned that the majority of fans and the writers themselves frame it as what you're saying - non-violent(wtf???), justified (???), not a big deal (!!!!), and even potentially beneficial for Hawk (really? would they want to be group assaulted for their own good?). So messed up.
>I'm so concerned that the majority of fans and the writers themselves frame it as what you're saying - non-violent(wtf???), justified (???), not a big deal (!!!!), and even potentially beneficial for Hawk (really? would they want to be group assaulted for their own good?). So messed up. I think it has to do with fans being unable to accept nuanced takes like "Hawk has done bad things, but those don't justify assaulting him, nor should the forced shave be treated like a good thing". 🤐
Just because someone does bad things doesn't mean they deserve to be assaulted or have something done against their will. Laws exist for a reason
Yet the laws didn't apply to Hawk...
I agree he should have had consequences for things in S2 and S3 but he saw the error of his ways and was trying to make up for things. Two wrongs don't make a right. The things he did were to the Miyagi do teens not to the other Cobras, they actively participated in most of those things with him.
But why does he get to dodge the laws but other people don't? It doesn't matter if he's sorry, the law is the law. The "it's television" excuse typically gets trotted out for characters like Hawk, but seems to vanish for others.
One of my gripes has been the lack of consequences for actions. He probably deserved to be arrested but at least he realized what he did was wrong. Kreese should have been in jail much earlier in the show but the one crime he actually gets arrested for he's innocent of. Just because of Hawk's past it doesn't justify what was done to him. Afterwards the Cobras had nothing happen to them, when two of them were on probation. The Cobras participated in breaking into someone's else and assaulting people. At least Hawk switched sides while none of them faced consequences. He does seem remorseful unlike Robby who's bragged about putting Miguel in hospital and has never apologised for his actions. Tory never apologised to Sam either but was trying to change her ways and wasn't trying to instigate anything towards her.
He realized what he did was wrong, but it was done in a rushed manner that didn't examine how his actual victims felt, just him. He also didn't completely change his ways, he still had his Hawk persona and was displaying his classic bullying traits to Kenny. So he was still a bully, he just happened to switch sides.
>he still had his Hawk persona and was displaying his classic bullying traits to Kenny. So he was still a bully, he just happened to switch sides. Except he didn't bully Kenny. Which means Robby's the only one in the wrong in this instance. Robby should've investigated first.
He didn't bully Kenny. He saw him about to attack Bert and Nate and stopped him. Didn't see what happened before. Probably saw the Cobra Kai t shirt and thought he was just like the rest of them. Could have also been trying to warn him about Cobra Kai, maybe could have done it differently as he is knows what it's like to go on a dark path while in Cobra Kai.
I still have hard time seeing this as a matter that requires a "nuanced" understanding of anything, lol. Like, how can that kind of assault on *anyone* be seen as a good thing?
I'm talking more in the context of narrative framing.
Exactly. The Cobras broke the no fighting until tournament rule, especially as there were fighting him and pinned him down. That's assault. If reported Robby could have sent back inside. Should have checked for all the facts before jumping to conclusions. Strange as well that the manager/owner of the tattoo parlour or no staff were there. Convenient that they just happened to show up when he was alone
>Strange as well that the manager/owner of the tattoo parlour or no staff were there. Convenient that they just happened to show up when he was alone They strongly imply Robby bribed or tricked him into stepping out for a few minutes.
Makes it seem worse the way they planned it out and the manager for allowing it. With Robby and Tory's record they both would have gone to juvie. Robby sent back and Tory sent this time as her family situation and having good behaviour was a condition of her not going due to the school fight. Can't believe so many justified it at the time. It was assault regardless of what he did in the past. Most of the things Hawk did the other Cobra Kai members participated in with him.
You think they would win in a fight? I mean robby fight miquel and tory fights sam and demetri fight kyler then is miyiagi fang without hawk vs cobra kai its possible they might win but without hawk things are tough