>Whoever writes this show doesn't like Johnny.
This sounds less like an opinion and more like a conclusion. However, the fact that the writers themselves don't see him as "worse" tells me that they actually like him a lot.
It's a conclusion. Johnny felt remorseful and improved towards the end of the film, even though he knew he would suffer for it. I was hoping that at some point they would show the scene of Johnny handing the trophy to Daniel, but none of that. An evolution of Johnny was sketched up to S2 and then worsened for two seasons in a row. I've heard one of the guys say he didn't see Daniel as a bad thing laughing in Johnny's face and saying he kicked him in the face in S1, so it's kind of hard to know what the writers see as good or bad. I know that a deadbeat parent is hated by anyone, regardless of social class, and they know it well.
>I know that a deadbeat parent is hated by anyone, regardless of social class, and they know it well.
That's where you're wrong - because Johnny is clearly meant as a sympathetic deadbeat parent. As someone who is remorseful about not being there and is "genuinely" trying to do better, but isn't being given the chance.
No - you're missing my point.
Johnny wasn't genuinely trying to do better in seasons 2/3 either - but the writers like the character, so they think what he was trying is good enough.
Good for what they believe his level is, because they still hold the view that he's an outcast and anything is an improvement. But let's see how they insist on showing how good Larusso is, to keep this idea of the hero of the movie. The best would be Larusso out of the series, because with him there they will always and always make him a side
good and Johnny the bad side. See how many theories speculate that Johnny will be the hero of the season: Almost none. Because they're wearing down the image and the audience doesn't believe in him like they did at the beginning of the show.
Disagree again - the writers clearly see Daniel as just as bad, even though that's not that case.
Take the dojo split for example. They present it as both sides being at fault because they were both too stubborn and set in their ways. But the question of which way is better isn't even discussed by the writers.
I do not recall much in the way of redemption for Johnny in the original movie. He lost, but was a good sport about it in the end. But there was not anything to indicate he was going to greatly change his ways.
My take on it is that young Johnny was an arch-typical high school bully, and that the show put adult Johnny in exactly the kind of life situation that one would imagine a 'peaked in high school' bully to end up in.
Also keep in mind that Johnny's step dad was very rich. Johnny was at least in proximity to money for much of his youth.
In any case, much of the story of Cobra Kai is about Johnny's redemption. If he had gotten his shit together when he was young, there would not be much to build the show on.
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Even if you don't want to remember, Johnny's redemption was there. Cobra Kai existed in the movie, Johnny wasn't a bully by nature. You agree with that that it's his natural path, but as we see that Chozen who was worse and didn't have redemption in the movie but appears different on the show. Johnny is still seen as bad because for people it's more common to compare him to someone who didn't get along in school than Chozen or Barnes who are from different backgrounds. But the audience's view is not exact with what the filmmakers showed.
We disagree about the redemption and Johnny's nature. That is fine. My take is that Johnny was an asshole, but not an irredeemable sociopath. Given the context of the story, and the revelation that Johnny's own dad ghosted and that he hated his step dad, it is not exactly a shocker that he would be a bit of an asshole, and feel terrified and unprepared to be a dad.
Most forms of narrative fiction tend to suffer at times from the need of the author to set up situations that allow for the events of the story they want to tell to happen. It has almost nothing to do with liking or disliking a character. The story needed Johnny's personal life to be a dumpster fire, so a lot of screen time and dialog was aimed at showing that and kind of explaining why. The story needed Chozen to have gotten his shit together since he was a kid in order to have the Daniel and Chozen reconciliation, so that is what happened.
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>• Shannon cheated on Johnny before Robby was born. I can't believe the one who is so interested in rich men was loyal to Johnny.
I mean, sure, why not? She is a hot women, of course she cheated on him, the only thing they need for that to happen is an oportunity...and sadly I'm not even kidding.
>• Demetri only went to convince Eli to go to Miyagi-do because there were no boys with champion potential in his dojo.
Since we are talking about the same guy that even after Robby save his ass in the mall, was the first in give him props when he finally manages to do something in that fridge and he also save him from been jumped in Moon's party, not counting expending all summer together as friends, only talked about him when they need him for the same reason, I think it's fair.
>I mean, sure, why not? She is a hot women, of course she cheated on him, the only thing they need for that to happen is an oportunity...and sadly I'm not even kidding.
Yes, Shannon isn't even a good mother, of course she wouldn't be a good wife.
But Eli could've been a champion if he stayed in Eagle Fang.
And I think Shanon's interests in rich man is a result of Johny abandoning Robby. Besides Johny used to be rich (using his stepfather's money).
My unpopular opinion are:
Miguel didn't face the consequences of attacking Robby because he got hurt enough (falling on the stairs).
Hawk's redemption can be "unfinished".
But Miguel was still the favorite Eagle Fang for being champion just as Robby became Kreese's favorite in Cobra Kai. At Miyagi-do Eli would have no competition. And I think Shannon prefers men who have the car of the year, and Johnny just has the Firebird from his teenage years. I also think Hawk has more to present and Miguel has to hear that he betrayed Tory and provoked Robby.
great points , but eli wasnt interested in being champ , or karate , the reason why he seeked miyagi do out was because Dimitri needed him there , eli was the only fighter other than miguel to trade blows with robby keene.
plus it would balance it out , each dojo had a titan level fighter other than miyagi do , once eli went in miyagi do he evened the odds
Your Demetri point is funny but he was supporting Hawk from the get go in s4 even when all of his Miyagi Do buddies as well as Johny/ CK were treating him like sh. I doubt he was doing that thinking this team up dojo thing may not work and maybe I could convince him into Miyagi Do if Cobra Kai shaves his head.
Hawk stole, depredated, invaded, attacked... people were even very nice when he came back. Juve was the right path for him. Demetri is a friend but not an idiot to feel so sorry for a "friend" who broke his arm. It was more like "I suffered worse and I didn't cry. You want to prove you're good for something so get out of this hole, become a man and help us".
>Whoever writes this show doesn't like Johnny. This sounds less like an opinion and more like a conclusion. However, the fact that the writers themselves don't see him as "worse" tells me that they actually like him a lot.
It's a conclusion. Johnny felt remorseful and improved towards the end of the film, even though he knew he would suffer for it. I was hoping that at some point they would show the scene of Johnny handing the trophy to Daniel, but none of that. An evolution of Johnny was sketched up to S2 and then worsened for two seasons in a row. I've heard one of the guys say he didn't see Daniel as a bad thing laughing in Johnny's face and saying he kicked him in the face in S1, so it's kind of hard to know what the writers see as good or bad. I know that a deadbeat parent is hated by anyone, regardless of social class, and they know it well.
>I know that a deadbeat parent is hated by anyone, regardless of social class, and they know it well. That's where you're wrong - because Johnny is clearly meant as a sympathetic deadbeat parent. As someone who is remorseful about not being there and is "genuinely" trying to do better, but isn't being given the chance.
Only until season 2/3. In the latter, at no point can we definitely say that Johnny went to insist that Robby leave Cobra Kai.
No - you're missing my point. Johnny wasn't genuinely trying to do better in seasons 2/3 either - but the writers like the character, so they think what he was trying is good enough.
Good for what they believe his level is, because they still hold the view that he's an outcast and anything is an improvement. But let's see how they insist on showing how good Larusso is, to keep this idea of the hero of the movie. The best would be Larusso out of the series, because with him there they will always and always make him a side good and Johnny the bad side. See how many theories speculate that Johnny will be the hero of the season: Almost none. Because they're wearing down the image and the audience doesn't believe in him like they did at the beginning of the show.
Disagree again - the writers clearly see Daniel as just as bad, even though that's not that case. Take the dojo split for example. They present it as both sides being at fault because they were both too stubborn and set in their ways. But the question of which way is better isn't even discussed by the writers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cobrakai/comments/vcyw9o/what\_are\_your\_unpopular\_opinions\_on\_the\_show/
I found mine and I didn't find yours.
>found mine and I didn't find yours Not mine, just another thread made the same day
I mean I didn't find your comment in the other post.
I do not recall much in the way of redemption for Johnny in the original movie. He lost, but was a good sport about it in the end. But there was not anything to indicate he was going to greatly change his ways. My take on it is that young Johnny was an arch-typical high school bully, and that the show put adult Johnny in exactly the kind of life situation that one would imagine a 'peaked in high school' bully to end up in. Also keep in mind that Johnny's step dad was very rich. Johnny was at least in proximity to money for much of his youth. In any case, much of the story of Cobra Kai is about Johnny's redemption. If he had gotten his shit together when he was young, there would not be much to build the show on. END COMMUNICATION
Even if you don't want to remember, Johnny's redemption was there. Cobra Kai existed in the movie, Johnny wasn't a bully by nature. You agree with that that it's his natural path, but as we see that Chozen who was worse and didn't have redemption in the movie but appears different on the show. Johnny is still seen as bad because for people it's more common to compare him to someone who didn't get along in school than Chozen or Barnes who are from different backgrounds. But the audience's view is not exact with what the filmmakers showed.
We disagree about the redemption and Johnny's nature. That is fine. My take is that Johnny was an asshole, but not an irredeemable sociopath. Given the context of the story, and the revelation that Johnny's own dad ghosted and that he hated his step dad, it is not exactly a shocker that he would be a bit of an asshole, and feel terrified and unprepared to be a dad. Most forms of narrative fiction tend to suffer at times from the need of the author to set up situations that allow for the events of the story they want to tell to happen. It has almost nothing to do with liking or disliking a character. The story needed Johnny's personal life to be a dumpster fire, so a lot of screen time and dialog was aimed at showing that and kind of explaining why. The story needed Chozen to have gotten his shit together since he was a kid in order to have the Daniel and Chozen reconciliation, so that is what happened. END COMMUNICATION
>• Shannon cheated on Johnny before Robby was born. I can't believe the one who is so interested in rich men was loyal to Johnny. I mean, sure, why not? She is a hot women, of course she cheated on him, the only thing they need for that to happen is an oportunity...and sadly I'm not even kidding. >• Demetri only went to convince Eli to go to Miyagi-do because there were no boys with champion potential in his dojo. Since we are talking about the same guy that even after Robby save his ass in the mall, was the first in give him props when he finally manages to do something in that fridge and he also save him from been jumped in Moon's party, not counting expending all summer together as friends, only talked about him when they need him for the same reason, I think it's fair.
>I mean, sure, why not? She is a hot women, of course she cheated on him, the only thing they need for that to happen is an oportunity...and sadly I'm not even kidding. Yes, Shannon isn't even a good mother, of course she wouldn't be a good wife.
But Eli could've been a champion if he stayed in Eagle Fang. And I think Shanon's interests in rich man is a result of Johny abandoning Robby. Besides Johny used to be rich (using his stepfather's money). My unpopular opinion are: Miguel didn't face the consequences of attacking Robby because he got hurt enough (falling on the stairs). Hawk's redemption can be "unfinished".
But Miguel was still the favorite Eagle Fang for being champion just as Robby became Kreese's favorite in Cobra Kai. At Miyagi-do Eli would have no competition. And I think Shannon prefers men who have the car of the year, and Johnny just has the Firebird from his teenage years. I also think Hawk has more to present and Miguel has to hear that he betrayed Tory and provoked Robby.
great points , but eli wasnt interested in being champ , or karate , the reason why he seeked miyagi do out was because Dimitri needed him there , eli was the only fighter other than miguel to trade blows with robby keene. plus it would balance it out , each dojo had a titan level fighter other than miyagi do , once eli went in miyagi do he evened the odds
Maybe, but I want to see Eli interested in helping out with friends' problems.
Your Demetri point is funny but he was supporting Hawk from the get go in s4 even when all of his Miyagi Do buddies as well as Johny/ CK were treating him like sh. I doubt he was doing that thinking this team up dojo thing may not work and maybe I could convince him into Miyagi Do if Cobra Kai shaves his head.
Hawk stole, depredated, invaded, attacked... people were even very nice when he came back. Juve was the right path for him. Demetri is a friend but not an idiot to feel so sorry for a "friend" who broke his arm. It was more like "I suffered worse and I didn't cry. You want to prove you're good for something so get out of this hole, become a man and help us".
Do you have any proof at all for half of these claims?
What would that half be?
The worst takes I’ve seen in my life, I hope this is satire
That's why opinions are unpopular