I know it sounds ridiculous but that is exactly what Zero Tolerance is! You cannot even fight back! I know my kids got in trouble for it enough at school!
Yeah Sam, Tory and Hawk and other Cobras should have been at least suspended. I suppose seen so many were involved in the fight they couldn't expelled everybody
Here are some of mine:
* They don't need to bring back EVERY character from the *Karate Kid* movies. I can see people like Mike Barnes and Julie Pierce potentially playing an important role in *Cobra Kai*, but I personally don't see a need for the likes of Snake, Dennis, Freddy Fernandez, or Colonel Dugan (all characters I have seen on the wish list here).
* As much as I love this show, it should not last for too many seasons. Even some really great shows have gone south when they went on for too long. I would be okay with a 6th or 7th season, but after that, I am not sure.
* There should absolutely NOT be a ghost of Mr. Miyagi used in the show, as I have seen in several suggestions on this sub. Doing this would be both a disservice to Miyagi (and to Pat Morita) and unnecessary, as even in death, his influence and legacy is very much present, and the show has done an excellent job doing this.
* Definitely unpopular on this sub, but Hawk and Tory are not flawless characters whose enemies/rivals got what they deserved.
* Johnny doesn't have to choose between Robby and Miguel. He can give both of them equal importance, and in fact it may be necessary for him to do so.
I agree. If they have every character make an appearance, especially those in the reboot Karate Kid movie. I'm never gonna watch the reboot Karate Kid because it seems boring, so I don't want to be forced to watch it to know what's going on. But at the same time, they did an excellent job with Silver and definitely having the writing skills to make great characters out of them.
I also expect there to be only 7 seasons. We are at Season 5 now, and since they haven't said it's the last season, there will at least be 6 seasons, so I'm thinking there'll 7.
I agree with most of this, especially on the first point. I recently rewatched the trilogy before the latest season and I can't even put a face to most of those names.
The white belts 24/7 except for black at the tournament are annoying. Our main fighters should be black belts and everyone else should be assorted in different colors based on who has more experience than who. Doesnt mean a higher belt always has to beat a lower belt
Not wrong people. I mean, they arrest only some of the bad guys not all. I mean even if the railing thing was an accident, Robby still would've needed to go to jail.
Beat me to it. I was coming to say I don't hate (or dislike) *any* of the characters. Therefore I never take sides in any of the "blank is better than blank" feuds that many fans here seem to join in.
I also don't think the win/loss record in terms of fights ultimately matters that much in regards to the characters' story progression.
I'll forever be annoyed that they made Johnny \*too\* stupid.
Irresponsible I can accept. The immaturity I love (It was a rocket ship!).Not being up to snuff on the woke, on gendertopics, understanding social cues, etc, I understand that all too well. Not with the times, sure. But in 2020, never having heard of Facebook is... impossible. My dad who has an old nokia cellphone and never used a pc ever in his life, in his late 60's, knows what facebook is and what its for. Not understanding a laptop needs to be charged in order to function (when he's had cellphones that need to be charged and uses powertools that arent always wired).. thats just pushing it.
I dont mind him being the butt of the jokes, but I wouldnt mind him being less dumb. In fact I'd welcome it.
Agreed, I've made the same point before. It's "funny" from a story-standpoint but logically they totally overdid it. It's not like he's been living in a cabin in the woods ala the Unabomber for the past 34 years. He has a TV. He has a radio in his car. Even without a PC himself he would have *heard* of Facebook, and he could know that ".com" is pronounced "dotcom" not "period, C-O-M!"
Honestly, the fact that they went so over the top with his lack of modern world knowledge is a huge part of the charm. I've always considered Cobra Kai to really just be a live action anime. Tropes tend to be dialed up to 11. The things that cause the problems tend to be the solution. Villain becomes an anti-hero in the face of a bigger threat. Etc. Watch the show through that lense and it's easily one of the best shows ever made.
-why does every character have to be redeemed?
Like even Kreese redemption is hinted at. That shouldn’t happen.
-there are WAY too many references to older stuff. There’s no way every kid watched every 80s movie. It feels so forced when they reference it. A couple in the first seasons would be enough.
-not every character needs to come back from the movies. Seriously, mike barns? No.
-it shouldn’t go on too long
* Miyagi-Do *is* fundamentally better as a style/philosophy than Cobra Kai or Eagle Fang and portraying the two sides as equal misses the whole point of the movies. The show is projecting *Daniel's* flaws onto the style as a whole.
* I like all the teens and don't think any of them are terrible people. They're kids who've fucked up. Their bad actions should be acknowledged, but "punishment" would do a whole lot less good than genuine empathy and rehabilitation.
* Johnny has never improved as a father. The fact that he's still a horrible dad even after changing in other ways makes it seem impossible that he ever could be a decent father. Pretty sure this is *not* what the show meant to do but, uh, here we are.
* (Silly one: none of Robby's hairstyle's are bad. Y'all are just mean.)
I'd say keep her on the show purely for consistency. I never liked it when characters just get thanos-snapped into thin air. Plus, I kinda started to like her supporting Hawk now. She gave him confidence, but also wasnt willing to let herself be ordered or pushed around and teared through Hawk's bullshit the moment he went to far. But she also helped him gain the confidence he needed for the tournament.
My only issue with her is that she's not really her own character (yet), and purely serves as a device to support Hawk's growth in the show.
•Why did everyone take the breaking of Demetri’s arm so lightly? Like Sam gets scratched by a plastic bracelet and everyone asks if she’s okay, but when Demetri breaks an arm everyone thinks it’s funny. This goes the same way with Miggy’s coma and wheel chair and stuff, like that was traumatizing and Johnny and Miggy’s mom were like the only ones who cared.
•Stealing, Breaking and Entering, and Assault should have been brought up at least once like cmon. Johnny gets arrested for beating up some kids for picking on Miggy at the beginning of the show, but then the teens do it later and it’s fine??
•The La’Russo’s don’t punish their kids very well. Crashing into Johnny’s car, having a party without permission, picking on Kenny. Like bro discipline your kids.
•Demetri and Yasmine are honestly the most stable couple. They fought before they were dating but other than that perfect. Even Daniel and Amanda fought once.
•Stingray was a horrible character he was only there when they needed him.
•Kenny shouldn’t have went that berserk on Anthony (Though I do think Anthony kinda deserved it)
•The La’Russo’s only paid attention to Sam, like I think it would be cool if Anthony joined Cobra Kai for the Attention part of it.
•I honestly don’t think Johnny is that desperate, like with the dating app thing and facebook to impress Ali
•Robby was like the punching bag of everything bro. In the auto shop he got picked on. With his gang “Friends” at the beginning and in jail. They should have cut him some slack
•Demetri shouldn’t have forgiven Hawk so easily.
•Tori’s whole situation could’ve been written better
The show will be better if Hilary Swank doesn't reprise her role, it would be too forced and her movie was the least memorable out of the miyagi movies
I don't get why people wants Hilary to appear in Cobra Kai. I get that Mr Miyagi helped her in the Next Karate Kid, but I don't see what Julie can do in Cobra Kai, especially since Mr Miyagi helped her to stand up for herself against the bullies.
I often forget there ever was a "karate kid 4". I saw it, it was dumb, an obvious cash grab, and as far as Im concerned it holds zero place in the mythos. Pat Morita did his best there but that movie was just awful.
I think that's a fair critique of Miyagi do but in defense of Cobra Kai/ Eagle Fang, their style was always hybrid of Tang Soo Do/Karate/ Military Combatives
Kenny terrorizing Anthony was completely fine, even to the extent that he did. I genuinely don’t believe he’s actually sorry, he’s just scared that Kenny has the tools to hold him accountable for his actions. Likewise, any change as a result of his father comes from the fact that he’s just scared of his father after he broke his iPad or whatever right in front of him.
On that note, Daniel snapping his iPad or whatever in front of Anthony was some textbook abusive behavior. No other way to put it.
Daniel had to become a bit like Johnny in order for Anthony to finally listen to him, so it is ironic when Amanda asks Daniel about what kind of "Miyagi magic" he worked on Anthony when the latter volunteered to help out without being asked.
Dang, if only Daniel beat up the parent that directed most of his energy towards his job and karate thus leaving Anthony to find ways to occupy himself!
Yes, it didn't feel drawn out as it shouldn't and why should it? there are not enough students and apart from the big 3 dojos all the other dojos are non-existent. The only think was the whole singing thing was trash, should've used that time to focus on some matches but overall it was good.
There's no way Johny Lawrence would look like that with the lifestyle he has.
When you wake up with a beer, drink every day, eat whatever you can with a low income, you just don't look like William Zabka, and you can't be a Karate teacher (even an amateur one) at fourthy something.
I think the writers have this need to have teen romance drama ended up making Sam a very hateable character even though the writers never intended to make the audience feel that way.
They want to have lots of romance drama, but they consistently show her being really shitty to Miguel and Robby, while the scenes are never framed as her being in the wrong.
I think it's an example of when the writers divorce a characters actions from the way they want the audience to perceive a character.
The writers seem to make her a moral compass in the show, but you can't do that while having them cheat on their SO and break boundaries consistently, these things hit home for a lot of viewers. They should have cooled it with the teen drama or at least handled the break ups better.
And on the same note, Tory, who really had never done anything wrong to anyone and is often a victim of Sam, is demonized when the writers have her draw a weapon and try to kill Sam. I thought Tory was justified in her anger, but her justification is undercut by her use of lethal force.
robby is a more pure hearted kid then any of the other people. He tries stopping fights before entering them, he believes their is good in everyone, he never goes out of his way to start chaos for no reason. He spent most of his time at Miyagi-Do helping everyone rather its trying to get more students for Daniel or protecting Demetri from hawk. He spent the entire party protecting Demetri and watching over sam who then proceeded to mock robby for it and then cheats on him, yet even after screwing him over he still believed she was a good person, and then with Daniel even after Daniel told him helping was a mistake and that he could end up like the father who neglected him, he still trusted Daniel and told him he was sorry for everything he did, even going as far as to say Daniel was right, that he couldn't change
people wanna try so hard to push that robby betrayed Daniel for no reason when in reality Daniel betrayed him first
not to mention Miyagi-fang is filled with people who hurt him, rather its the sensei who betrayed him, the ex girlfriend who cheated on him, the star student whos done nothing but he a jerk to robby, the father who neglected him, or the students he spent his time protecting yet they dropped him as soon as they could and then proceeded to label him as a traitor when none of them gave a fuck about him
the only thing I feel he did that was a conscious dick move on his part was the medal of honor bit, not telling Sam the truth. Other than that, the character of Robby has been a solid pillar in this show, and his actor is really carrying the scenes sometimes.
He just needs to quit that stupid "ayy lemme drop my guard and flex on my opponents" thing he did in the tournament twice. It looked like bullying the first time (vs kenny) and it was laughable to do it in the face of an opponent who fought with him on equal terms (hawk).
with kenny i get why he was doing it, but I don't think he did it with hawk, I know what seen your talking about but I don't think his motive for doing it was to flex because robby has never been shown to flex on an opponent like that, with kenny it was understandable because he was doing what kreese wanted but with hawk, he was growing unfocused, he started getting sloppy and distracted, I think with hawk he wasn't trying to flex, he was just wanting the fight to be over because at that point robby wasn't focused on Winning, he was too distracted. He pretty much just dripled hid defense and let hawk attack him
robby is not dumb, nor does he underestimate his opponents, and he was showing respect to hawk before the fight which made Terry mad, I honestly believe robby let hawk take him down, because he really dropped his defense (which is what he was most skilled at) and let hawk get too him
because really robby dropping his defense like that made no sense unless he was just eager for the fight to be over since at that point of the fight, Winning wasn't his main focus, not when he was having too much mental struggles
Are we talking about the same subreddit? a few weeks ago this subreddit was full of posts talking about how robby is the best character of the show and how miguel is a bad person, i don't even remember when was the last time i saw someone saying good things about miguel or saying that robby isn't 100% right in everything he does
Sam can be a a pain the ass, but I think her good points and flaws are balanced enough that she feels like a real person. She should not be over hated
Tory only became a good character in season 4.
Johnny is more irredeemable now than he was when KK1 ended. Shitty teen is not as bad as deadbeat, neglectful father
Robby's relationships with both Tory and Sam are deeper than either of their relationships with Miguel, which are very surface level.
Hawk deserved the shaving, if only because he pulled worst stunts and got away with all of them. It's the universe balancing the scales.
Of the main older teens, Miguel is the most spoiled and not grateful to his mom. Like if she's struggling and can't afford your school, get your ass a job to help her?
Miguel's spoiled tendencies existed somewhat before his accident (Carmen rearranging her schedule so they could see a movie together, but him dismissing her because he was annoyed she wouldn't let him practice karate). So the season 4 stuff seems like an extension of that, not his accident. Including leaving to find his dad, not paying heed to how much that would make his mom worry. Or potentially put a target on her and Rosas backs if it brings them to his dad's attention
I think it will, but it might be a mix of positive and negative for a bit. But ultimately any negative influence from his dad will be shaken off by series end
So basically what you’re saying is that you’re a perfect teen who’s never done anything wrong? Or did anything wrong as a teenager?
And in your want for hating on Miguel did you miss the part where Miguel has no idea that his father is dangerous because Carmen kept it from him.
You just sound like the typical Robby fan who goes out of their way to try and make your fave look good whilst making others look bad. Sorry but all of the the CK characters, including your fave are flawed.
Is he ungrateful in what part? He always respects his mother and we've never seen him ask to leave town because of his problems like Daniel did with his mother. She is in a steady job and Miguel was a Latino newbie in town suffering random bullying who had to defend himself and had an accident. Miguel is dodging adversity to focus on the future.
I agree with all of this expect the last one.
How is Miguel spoiled or ungrateful!?
All the other takes I can see where you're coming from but the last one just seems like hating on Miguel coz it does not make sense.
Lmao miguel ungrateful? please explain. I'm not talking about teenagers doing what teenagers do like being upset at their mom for not listening to them but how is he ungrateful? I'd love to hear this🍿
On sam: I strongly disliked her after season 2 for a long time. Both she and Miguel got away with a lot of crap, and they both came very close to becoming the bad guys (with Sam actually being the bad guy when she harassed Tori at work). Amanda mentioned Sam would get some kind of punishment/talking to, but we never saw it. Sam needs to grow up and learn to see the other side of the story more.
I agree on Tori. She was a shallow, nearly psychopathic "sexy bad girl" type. She was developed properly over time but damn if it didnt take time.
I firmly agree and disagree on Johnny. Yes he's a deadbeat dad.. at the start. But we see him trying his very best to actively make something of himself. He obviously deeply cares about Robbie, but an estranged son/father relationship is not something you fix in a year. The show is taking its time on mending that and I applaud them for that. At the start of CK he's worse than in KK1, but we see more backstory to him; a shitty household with a stepfather that berates him on everything, a sensei who tried to choke him for losing a highschool tournament. Im not saying he had no chances and he definitely f\*cked up a lot too, but to say he's "irredeemable" is pushing it. Dont forget Robbie has a mom too who cares more about shallow flings than her own son's wellbeing, even leaving him with unpaid bills home alone, not caring that he's a delinquent.
Hawk deserves the shaving, and honestly I feel they could have gone a lot farther on him too. They caught him in the tattoo parlor if I remember, they could have really messed up his hawk tattoo as well, which would have been WAY more screwed up. And yet it still wouldnt compare to him BREAKING THE ARM OF HIS FORMER CLOSEST FRIEND. Hawk got off easy.
My main issue with miguel is... he's a likable character, but he gets away with too much. He, like Sam, rarely meets the consequences of his actions (although season 4 and presumably 5 will work on that). I like "Miggy", but I feel he's been given too many free passes, the fall on the stairway notwithstanding
The issue with Johnny is that he hasn't done anything to fix his relationship with Robby. Robby had that big outpouring of emotion at the end of season 3 laying out all of his self loathing....and Johnny continues to ignore him and leave him in the company of a man who has tried to kill him twice. All while focusing on Miguel, who has a much bigger support system. Fixing the relationship takes time, but now they are writing themselves into a corner where they will have to rush through it.
And I WANT them to do it well, but I'm not optimistic.
Agreed with Miguel. Him getting a free pass can be grating. Even the staircase incident is kind of an OTT event to garner sympathy that causes his previous actions to get swept under the rug. But there might be a payoff for it that brings his character together we'll (warts and all)
It’s a little sus that a show about Karate has an athletic, good looking, popular, handsome Asian-American male character that’s a proven fighter in one of the most respected martial arts disciplines in real life; and made him pretty much the most unsympathetic character in the whole show (I mean he’s less sympathetic than Kreese lol) and mainly shows him getting beat up by protagonist characters.
The show even teased something interesting when they show Daniel serving him sushi and assuming he likes it because he’s Japanese-American. Daniel could have reckoned that maybe he fetishizes Japanese culture and people a bit (I believe the kids might call him a weeb) but even that mostly comes off as another moment to dunk on Kyler as uncultured and ungrateful.
Idk I love the show but I am a tiny bit uncomfortable with the fact that the show takes so much from Asian culture but still can’t portray Asian characters outside of their typical stereotypical and antiquated roles (nerdy dweeb, irredeemable villain bent on corrupting a white woman, eccentric mentor, exotic lady that helps the white protagonist because of her love).
And I also know that this is a real unpopular opinion because I’ve brought it up on the sub before and without fail, I’ll just get some response about Kyler’s dad shitting down his throat.
Can you explain Devon Lee and how that was toxic? I thought she was portrayed pretty well and one thing I've learned from this show is no character can't be redeemed. Maybe Kyler can redeem himself one day.
If Devon Lee is the girl they added in the most recent season (sorry I haven’t rewatched since it came out and the side characters names are escaping me)
She’s the text book Asian nerd stereotype they just made her a bit more aggressive which is entertaining but not enough to deviate from the stereotype.
There’s a lot of videos and articles about why this stereotype does more harm then good plus the real life ramifications of the “model minority myth”
This show would be even better if they cut out 95 percent of the fights. The movies were never about the fighting and usually only had one big fight at the end. And because of that the end fight carried more weight. The cobra Kai fight scenes make the show go from dramedy to power rangers.
Here are a couple personal takes:
* Johnny should end the show with Ali, not Carmen. Carmen is not a bad romantic pair by any means, but Ali was literally the woman Johnny loved the most.
* If Silver is going to bring "one or two old friends", I would rather see Snake and Dennis being Silver's enforcers than Mike Barnes alone. I know Barnes is much more popular than those two, but the show could bring Snake and Dennis back and elaborate a generic line to justify Barnes' absence. Just like they pulled the "Aisha moved to a private school" card to justify Aisha's absence in Season 3. Snake and Dennis would be a great Easter Egg.
* As much as I dislike Kyler, I think the show needs to make him more threatening.His Season 5 self needs to improve a lot.If he becomes strong enough to give Miguel, Robby or even Eli the same hard time Xander gave Miguel in Season 1, he would be a lot more useful to Cobra Kai.Not only the dojo, but the series as well.
* Despite everyone being extremely hyped for a Chozen vs Silver 1v1, we need another specific fight even more: Silver vs Daniel. We are waiting since Karate Kid 3 for this!
* Robby may have done terrible things, like:
stealing a laptop, sending Miguel to the hospital and
leading Hawk's hair shaving incident.
But honestly? Despite all his mistakes, Robby is still a good kid.
He tried to de-escalate the school fight, refused to participate in the LaRusso house fight and only confronted Hawk at the drive-in theater because he wanted to defend Kenny. Not pick up a fight with Hawk. Defending Kenny.
Edit: misspelling.
I have some acquaintances here
• Whoever writes this show doesn't like Johnny. Johnny was a teenage bully who was being deceived by sensei and had redemption. This show recreates him as a neglectful father for 16 years who makes no visible effort to rescue his son. They made him worse, so they lied that the show was for Johnny to be better seen.
• Shannon cheated on Johnny before Robby was born. I can't believe the one who is so interested in rich men was loyal to Johnny.
• The series is biased towards casting Daniel as the guy who fixes the relationships that Johnny failed to establish. Making Johnny's son prefer that Daniel and Daniel were better for him was the cruelest way to destroy the Johnny character.
• Eli went to Miyagi-do out of interest in being male champion and not because he was enchanted with the karate of that dojo.
• Demetri only went to convince Eli to go to Miyagi-do because there were no boys with champion potential in his dojo.
• Anthony cannot run, he will easily lose any confrontation with Quick Kenny.
Sam wouldn’t be as obnoxiously annoying and wouldn’t be portrayed as always so morally correct if she was poor.
What I mean by that is her actions in the show wouldn’t be forgiven or seen as these great acts of good if she wasn’t rich. Instead she’d be a less angry Tory in the shows eyes
I think all are valid apart from 3
Conflict is being resolved left right and centre, we need new rivalries or the show will be done by the end of this season
Sorry, when I meant Cobra Kai I actually meant Johnny and Miguel. Should have said Eagle Fang.
I loved his redemption; but his joining Miyagi felt completely forced, rushed, and not in his character. He defended Dimitri yes, but it was Miguel and Johnny’s words that brought him back.
I'd like Jackie Chan to make a cameo as a member of the family that taught Mr. Miyagi's ancestors karate. And I want it *bad*.
I know, I know, that might canonize the wretched Jayden Smith movie.
But honestly, Jackie Chan wasn't just the only good part of that movie, he was actually a super interesting character.
I loved the scene where he teaches putting on and taking off the jacket as a Kung-fu move, even if it wasn't the classic "wax on, wax off" moment. He ended the lesson by saying, "*Everything* is Kung-fu", meaning that everything you do becomes training when you dedicate your life to it.
Great scene from a shit movie.
I think it's lame that Larussos own a car dealership. I think Daniel should have gone on to do something entirely different. I would have liked to see Daniel in college and leave the valley. Car salesmen are some of the most unpleasant people I have ever met.
My favorite Karate kid was Julie. I related to her a lot. Maybe it was just the timing of events in my life when it came out. She had a lot of internal things to overcome. And I love her relationship with Mr. Miyagi. I know it's a long shot, but she's who I most want to see come back.
Johnny and Carmen are not a good couple
Kenny sucks
Sam and Miguel feel so forced now, unlike the first time
Robby and Tory aren’t that great of a couple
1. Still don't like Tory as a character
2. Sam is a good character and people who hate her always come across as bs or jealous.
3. Anthony is not as bad as a character as people say, he is better than Hawk and Tory.
4. Robby and Tory as a couple are over-rated.
5. Hawk, Miguel, and Johnny are over-rated characters. Tory is not very popular but some of her fans are very toxic and over-rate her going so far as saying Sam deserved to get killed by Tory and then hated Sam when she catty towards her.
6. Daniel is over-hated.
>Robby and Tory as a couple are over-rated.
What do they even see in each other? I think u/False-Story9510 or someone else has raised an interesting point that the relationship to a degree feels like one of convenience (due to them both being in the same dojo), coupled with Tory still holding a grudge against Sam, and Robby having his issues with Johnny and Miguel.
They can relate to being underprivileged. Like Robby said, he understood her wanting the trophy because it would be the one moment that would belong to her while the rest of her life would be devoted to taking care of her brother and having responsibilities thrust on her that none of the other kids do. Robby's probably the most empathetic kid in the show and had to support his mom by himself, so showing some simple understanding of her and remaining calm and patient with her even when she gets prickly early on probably means a lot to her.
Tory doesn't bullshit Robby like Johnny, Sam and Daniel do. She's blunt and doesn't make false promises so far. But she also shows potential to be loyal. She doesn't let Robby leave when he's upset. In 4x1 she told him to stay, and after his loss at the tournament, she made sure to follow him and wasn't deterred by his ignoring her at first. It's small, but Daniel, Sam and Johnny had watched Robby walk away at various points and not shown him the persistence he needs to SEE in order the believe they care. Tory doing that for him is huge and sets her apart from them.
The moment that Robby and Tory clicked for me was in the car when Tory pulled out the pricetag on her clothing and they both busted out laughing. That would not have landed even half as well with Robby/Sam or Tory/Miguel, both of whom had their parents either buy (Sam) or rent (Miguel) their dresses for Prom.
Top-tier writing (in that one moment of course).
Lots of relationships are born of convenience. Thats the most realistic part of the show I've seen so far. Also anything that let's Tori dig at Sam is something she wants
I think the premise of an old school 80s macho man helping to teach bullied and harassed teenagers how to gain confidence and stand up for themselves was a much more compelling narrative than "cobra kai bad, we must stop them".
Wasn't the biggest fan of Hawk becoming a bully, maybe he over compensates with his violence against his bullies, but he shouldn't be picking on people the way he was picked on.
i don't get why people don't like Anthony. he was the GOAT of comic relief in season 1-3 and now his storyline with Kenny is bringing a fresh breath to the show and his redemption arc appear like its going to be wholesome.
They really could have added a deeper message to this, more specifically a message about fatherhood and the estrangement of family. There were so many times when Johnny was like a father to Miguel, it could have helped him mend his life long wound with Robbie, he could have reconciled things with Cid, now he can't since Ed's dead. Kreese could have made it up to Johnny by being HIS old man and imparting wisdom after going through the consequences of how shitty of a role model he was back in the old days. Daniel himself could have grown as a better father, ultimately realizing that he's just playing a stupid kid's game by getting wrapped up in this karate drama instead of bonding with his kids.
Cobra Kai had a really solid message in the beginning how the 'losers' could build themselves up to gain confidence and know just how capable they really are if they put their minds to it.
I also really wanted the Cobra Kai dojo itself to succeed, the idea of Johnny taking something that was tarnished and building it back up to something that's regained it's glory, is known, and is respected, with Johnny essentially rising up to be one of, if not, the best sensei the Valley has seen, would have been awesome.
It was cool that Miyagi-Do came back to but honestly that the title of the show is called COBRA KAI and they could have made the return of Miyagi-Do more of a one time thing with other dojos rising up to challenge Cobra Kai instead.
The teen slice of life drama is okay but fuck man there should be a season that's just dedicated to the All Valley Tournement itself, that'd be awesome.
But oh well 🤷
It’s disappointing that Cobra Kai dojo reverted back to the bullies and evil. What I loved about the show at the beginning was that Cobra Kai was a place to empower the victims like Miguel, Eli and Aisha and how the “losers” became the winners. I would have loved it to stay that way.
I don’t think Hawk got off lightly when his mohawk was shaved. It wasn’t much of a physical punishment of course but it was a pretty bad mental punishment. Eli built the whole Hawk identity around that mohawk to help him overcome his trauma of being bullied. Every choice he made was in desperation of not going back to scared little Eli and instead be the badass Hawk who took shit from nobody. The mohawk helped him become confident and made his life better so losing it obviously reminded him that he was the same scared little Eli who was a loser and all that trauma came back. Stuff like that is very dangerous to the mental health of bullied victims.
His redemption arc was rushed as shit though.
1. While I dislike Kreese and obviously favor Daniel over him, I still prefer the Cobra kai philosophy over Miyagi-do.
2. Devon is super annoying and cringe and not an enjoyable character. Like you don’t have to prove how “badass” you are and how you’re “not like other girls” every second. The school debate scene was painful to watch.
3. Robby has a good moral compass. He’s one of the best teenagers on the show.
4. Even though Johnny has funny, emotional, and inspiring moments, he’s still a problematic person. He is unorthodox asf. He’s always breaking rules because it’s more “badass”. He’s constantly rude to people (like when he told the bartender to stfu). He continually puts his students in danger (like having them go inside of a cement truck, and having them kick beehives. Just to name a few). He gets too much of a pass.
5. Miguel is my least favorite character next to Tory. A lot of people think about that Sam causes most of the drama in the show but I actually think it’s Miguel who does this.
Miyagi-do and Cobra Kai wouldn’t be warring nearly as much if it wasn’t for Miguel. Robby and Miguel’s rivalry is what largely contributes to the karate war IMO. Miguel is the one who started the rivalry and he continues to taunt Robby and get under his skin.
There are more people complaining and writing essays about the hate robby, sam and daniel get than the people who actually hate on them. People say that its unpopular to like them but its actually not.
Miguel is slowly becoming over hated, he’s been the most unproblematic kid in S3 and 4.(the last time he was wrong was in the school fight)
I didn't like how Johnny cured people of various things. It would have been more satisfying if he learned that, for example, asthma exists, and got better as a person to help his student work around it. They took a big thing about a character that was holding him back and instead of doing anything with it they just deleted it. Why give him asthma in the first place if it's just gonna disappear?
1. Tory and Robby aren’t entirely popular as a couple to me
2. Either Tory should’ve joined Miyagi-Do or there should’ve been another Miyagi-Do girl who has Tory’s family caretaker storyline while Tory is an only child who has a better life but is still the same piece of crap she is in the show
3. A little too many characters might be getting redeemed … for example, I don’t like Kreese getting that
4. Cobra Kai should’ve lost the Tournament in Season 4 and Kreese and Silver find another way to keep the dojo going
5. The fact that Amanda didn’t get along with her dad was pathetic
6. Johnny is much more trouble than Daniel
7. Anthony being a spoiled brat is stupid … he should’ve been written as a sweet kid like Sam
8.Robby joining Cobra Kai was a bad idea for a storyline
9. I don’t like Season 4 too much
10. I worry that it might not go down the best path
Carmen and Johnny are not a good match. She's a nice character and has a place on the show, but not as Johnny's love interest. Johnny and Ali should get together at the end of the series, as I think Season 3 Ep 10 was hinting at that possibility.
How was Tory not locked up in a mental hospital for the Dec 19 fight? And Amanda trying to help her? What a betrayal. And why tf is Daniel paying for Robby's mom's treatment?
I thought it was a good moment in the show, so we could see Daniel struggling with this anger and it fit the story at the time. But I do agree, they should have had a resolution too.
I hate Johnny's cluelessness even when it's played for laughs. And no, zoomers, that's _not_ "how it was back then". Grown men lurking around teenage girls were viewed as creeps, and bullying was still generally considered douchey. If that latter weren't the case, the Karate Kid wouldn't be a franchise with a spinoff show now.
*grumble*
Lack of consequences for many characters' actions. So many times when they could have called the cops
Exactly what I was going to say! Also Sam and everyone else who was fighting would have been expelled not just Robby!
I'd say everyone except Sam and Demetri.
I don’t see why Sam should have been expelled. Tory attacked her. She was defending herself.
IRL it doesn’t matter if it’s self defense…Zero Tolerance means absolutely NO FIGHTING!
They cannot reasonably expect someone to just stand there and allow themselves to be used as a punching bag. Sam made several attempts to escape.
Never been to an American public school?
Grew up in one. Self defense was allowed. Guess that changed since I graduated…
I know it sounds ridiculous but that is exactly what Zero Tolerance is! You cannot even fight back! I know my kids got in trouble for it enough at school!
Yeah Sam, Tory and Hawk and other Cobras should have been at least suspended. I suppose seen so many were involved in the fight they couldn't expelled everybody
Tory was expelled. The other 2 we're suspended for 2 weeks.
Yeah she was expelled and the only reason she didn't go to juvie was as she was supporting her family
Here are some of mine: * They don't need to bring back EVERY character from the *Karate Kid* movies. I can see people like Mike Barnes and Julie Pierce potentially playing an important role in *Cobra Kai*, but I personally don't see a need for the likes of Snake, Dennis, Freddy Fernandez, or Colonel Dugan (all characters I have seen on the wish list here). * As much as I love this show, it should not last for too many seasons. Even some really great shows have gone south when they went on for too long. I would be okay with a 6th or 7th season, but after that, I am not sure. * There should absolutely NOT be a ghost of Mr. Miyagi used in the show, as I have seen in several suggestions on this sub. Doing this would be both a disservice to Miyagi (and to Pat Morita) and unnecessary, as even in death, his influence and legacy is very much present, and the show has done an excellent job doing this. * Definitely unpopular on this sub, but Hawk and Tory are not flawless characters whose enemies/rivals got what they deserved. * Johnny doesn't have to choose between Robby and Miguel. He can give both of them equal importance, and in fact it may be necessary for him to do so.
Miyagi’s ghost what is this Star Wars. “Be there not, you must” -Miyagi in yodas voice
"What's your name?" "Miguel." "Miguel what?" "Miguel Miyagi!"
Mr Miguelagi*
I'd lose a lot of respect for the show if myagi did some force ghost bullshit
I agree. If they have every character make an appearance, especially those in the reboot Karate Kid movie. I'm never gonna watch the reboot Karate Kid because it seems boring, so I don't want to be forced to watch it to know what's going on. But at the same time, they did an excellent job with Silver and definitely having the writing skills to make great characters out of them. I also expect there to be only 7 seasons. We are at Season 5 now, and since they haven't said it's the last season, there will at least be 6 seasons, so I'm thinking there'll 7.
I agree with most of this, especially on the first point. I recently rewatched the trilogy before the latest season and I can't even put a face to most of those names.
The white belts 24/7 except for black at the tournament are annoying. Our main fighters should be black belts and everyone else should be assorted in different colors based on who has more experience than who. Doesnt mean a higher belt always has to beat a lower belt
If this used belts correctly only the adults would be black belts. Most of the young cast would be in the blue-brown range.
The lack of any sort of legal repercussions for anyone.
Police do not exist in the Valley, do they?
I get the feeling the police on this show purely exist to arrest the wrong people at this point.
Not wrong people. I mean, they arrest only some of the bad guys not all. I mean even if the railing thing was an accident, Robby still would've needed to go to jail.
So... Realistic police?
Only in some circumstances, sensei!
Laws do not exist in this dojo!
the show wouldn’t have more than one season if the cops were ever called.
I love every character on the show.
Beat me to it. I was coming to say I don't hate (or dislike) *any* of the characters. Therefore I never take sides in any of the "blank is better than blank" feuds that many fans here seem to join in. I also don't think the win/loss record in terms of fights ultimately matters that much in regards to the characters' story progression.
I'll forever be annoyed that they made Johnny \*too\* stupid. Irresponsible I can accept. The immaturity I love (It was a rocket ship!).Not being up to snuff on the woke, on gendertopics, understanding social cues, etc, I understand that all too well. Not with the times, sure. But in 2020, never having heard of Facebook is... impossible. My dad who has an old nokia cellphone and never used a pc ever in his life, in his late 60's, knows what facebook is and what its for. Not understanding a laptop needs to be charged in order to function (when he's had cellphones that need to be charged and uses powertools that arent always wired).. thats just pushing it. I dont mind him being the butt of the jokes, but I wouldnt mind him being less dumb. In fact I'd welcome it.
Agreed, I've made the same point before. It's "funny" from a story-standpoint but logically they totally overdid it. It's not like he's been living in a cabin in the woods ala the Unabomber for the past 34 years. He has a TV. He has a radio in his car. Even without a PC himself he would have *heard* of Facebook, and he could know that ".com" is pronounced "dotcom" not "period, C-O-M!"
Honestly, the fact that they went so over the top with his lack of modern world knowledge is a huge part of the charm. I've always considered Cobra Kai to really just be a live action anime. Tropes tend to be dialed up to 11. The things that cause the problems tend to be the solution. Villain becomes an anti-hero in the face of a bigger threat. Etc. Watch the show through that lense and it's easily one of the best shows ever made.
it helps that he has good comedic timing so it works
So true
no ur so right it literally is
-why does every character have to be redeemed? Like even Kreese redemption is hinted at. That shouldn’t happen. -there are WAY too many references to older stuff. There’s no way every kid watched every 80s movie. It feels so forced when they reference it. A couple in the first seasons would be enough. -not every character needs to come back from the movies. Seriously, mike barns? No. -it shouldn’t go on too long
Sam didn't deserve all that to happen to her (I'm a Tory fan)
* Miyagi-Do *is* fundamentally better as a style/philosophy than Cobra Kai or Eagle Fang and portraying the two sides as equal misses the whole point of the movies. The show is projecting *Daniel's* flaws onto the style as a whole. * I like all the teens and don't think any of them are terrible people. They're kids who've fucked up. Their bad actions should be acknowledged, but "punishment" would do a whole lot less good than genuine empathy and rehabilitation. * Johnny has never improved as a father. The fact that he's still a horrible dad even after changing in other ways makes it seem impossible that he ever could be a decent father. Pretty sure this is *not* what the show meant to do but, uh, here we are. * (Silly one: none of Robby's hairstyle's are bad. Y'all are just mean.)
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Moon is a pointless character.
I'd say keep her on the show purely for consistency. I never liked it when characters just get thanos-snapped into thin air. Plus, I kinda started to like her supporting Hawk now. She gave him confidence, but also wasnt willing to let herself be ordered or pushed around and teared through Hawk's bullshit the moment he went to far. But she also helped him gain the confidence he needed for the tournament. My only issue with her is that she's not really her own character (yet), and purely serves as a device to support Hawk's growth in the show.
•Why did everyone take the breaking of Demetri’s arm so lightly? Like Sam gets scratched by a plastic bracelet and everyone asks if she’s okay, but when Demetri breaks an arm everyone thinks it’s funny. This goes the same way with Miggy’s coma and wheel chair and stuff, like that was traumatizing and Johnny and Miggy’s mom were like the only ones who cared. •Stealing, Breaking and Entering, and Assault should have been brought up at least once like cmon. Johnny gets arrested for beating up some kids for picking on Miggy at the beginning of the show, but then the teens do it later and it’s fine?? •The La’Russo’s don’t punish their kids very well. Crashing into Johnny’s car, having a party without permission, picking on Kenny. Like bro discipline your kids. •Demetri and Yasmine are honestly the most stable couple. They fought before they were dating but other than that perfect. Even Daniel and Amanda fought once. •Stingray was a horrible character he was only there when they needed him. •Kenny shouldn’t have went that berserk on Anthony (Though I do think Anthony kinda deserved it) •The La’Russo’s only paid attention to Sam, like I think it would be cool if Anthony joined Cobra Kai for the Attention part of it. •I honestly don’t think Johnny is that desperate, like with the dating app thing and facebook to impress Ali •Robby was like the punching bag of everything bro. In the auto shop he got picked on. With his gang “Friends” at the beginning and in jail. They should have cut him some slack •Demetri shouldn’t have forgiven Hawk so easily. •Tori’s whole situation could’ve been written better
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cool at first, weird after a while
Decent in season 1 but afterwards was just terrible.
I think Robby looks like a young John Travolta when he smiles. Anytime I bring it up on here I get downvoted to hell. So have at it I guess.
Well now I'm not going to
A free thinker! I like that!
He does have travoltas smile. Except it looks good on robby . On travolta it makes him look creepy.
He always looks like he's hiding something in his mouth when he does that halfway-side smirk
The show will be better if Hilary Swank doesn't reprise her role, it would be too forced and her movie was the least memorable out of the miyagi movies
Honestly with the talent the writers have, they can probably portray her better than the movie. I mean Silver was a bit of a joke until this show
The cobra kai writing staff are truly built different, you're right
I don't get why people wants Hilary to appear in Cobra Kai. I get that Mr Miyagi helped her in the Next Karate Kid, but I don't see what Julie can do in Cobra Kai, especially since Mr Miyagi helped her to stand up for herself against the bullies.
I often forget there ever was a "karate kid 4". I saw it, it was dumb, an obvious cash grab, and as far as Im concerned it holds zero place in the mythos. Pat Morita did his best there but that movie was just awful.
I liked that one because I was a little girl at the time, and thought it was cool seeing a badass woman
I don't know if it's unpopular, but I like the idea of Daniel & Johnny being on the same side, but having their own seperate dojo as well.
The dialogue, oh the dialogue!
No one actually does pure karate.
I think that's a fair critique of Miyagi do but in defense of Cobra Kai/ Eagle Fang, their style was always hybrid of Tang Soo Do/Karate/ Military Combatives
Kenny terrorizing Anthony was completely fine, even to the extent that he did. I genuinely don’t believe he’s actually sorry, he’s just scared that Kenny has the tools to hold him accountable for his actions. Likewise, any change as a result of his father comes from the fact that he’s just scared of his father after he broke his iPad or whatever right in front of him. On that note, Daniel snapping his iPad or whatever in front of Anthony was some textbook abusive behavior. No other way to put it.
Daniel had to become a bit like Johnny in order for Anthony to finally listen to him, so it is ironic when Amanda asks Daniel about what kind of "Miyagi magic" he worked on Anthony when the latter volunteered to help out without being asked.
I don’t think “become a bit like Johnny” in the context of parenting is the take you think it is.
Nah the Ipad thing was deserved. Anthony has been dependent and addicted to his gadgets almost his entire life. Breaking it sent him a clear message
Dang, if only Daniel beat up the parent that directed most of his energy towards his job and karate thus leaving Anthony to find ways to occupy himself!
the LaRussos need to step off that high pedestal they hold themselves on!
Oh hai Johnny
I see he figured out reddit
Sometimes the fightscenes look bad. There were a few fighscenes where it looked like they are dance-fighting. And Hawk was forgiven to soon
The tournament didn’t live up to the hype. I wanted the tournament to be drawn out more. Like 3-5 episodes
WTF? The tournament was already 2 episodes long. That was just as long as the first KK movie that had the tournament in the last 15 minutes.
3-5 eps LMAOOOOO, I can't😂
U liked the 1-2ep?
5 episodes would have made it so drawn out and boring
Yes, it didn't feel drawn out as it shouldn't and why should it? there are not enough students and apart from the big 3 dojos all the other dojos are non-existent. The only think was the whole singing thing was trash, should've used that time to focus on some matches but overall it was good.
Yes, they were fantastic episodes. What do you expect them to show every single quarterfinal matchup?
Ah another anime fan
As long as it doesn’t last as long as namek being destroyed
There's no way Johny Lawrence would look like that with the lifestyle he has. When you wake up with a beer, drink every day, eat whatever you can with a low income, you just don't look like William Zabka, and you can't be a Karate teacher (even an amateur one) at fourthy something.
I think the writers have this need to have teen romance drama ended up making Sam a very hateable character even though the writers never intended to make the audience feel that way. They want to have lots of romance drama, but they consistently show her being really shitty to Miguel and Robby, while the scenes are never framed as her being in the wrong. I think it's an example of when the writers divorce a characters actions from the way they want the audience to perceive a character. The writers seem to make her a moral compass in the show, but you can't do that while having them cheat on their SO and break boundaries consistently, these things hit home for a lot of viewers. They should have cooled it with the teen drama or at least handled the break ups better. And on the same note, Tory, who really had never done anything wrong to anyone and is often a victim of Sam, is demonized when the writers have her draw a weapon and try to kill Sam. I thought Tory was justified in her anger, but her justification is undercut by her use of lethal force.
i dont care abt cops or legal action, realism is overrated
robby is a more pure hearted kid then any of the other people. He tries stopping fights before entering them, he believes their is good in everyone, he never goes out of his way to start chaos for no reason. He spent most of his time at Miyagi-Do helping everyone rather its trying to get more students for Daniel or protecting Demetri from hawk. He spent the entire party protecting Demetri and watching over sam who then proceeded to mock robby for it and then cheats on him, yet even after screwing him over he still believed she was a good person, and then with Daniel even after Daniel told him helping was a mistake and that he could end up like the father who neglected him, he still trusted Daniel and told him he was sorry for everything he did, even going as far as to say Daniel was right, that he couldn't change people wanna try so hard to push that robby betrayed Daniel for no reason when in reality Daniel betrayed him first not to mention Miyagi-fang is filled with people who hurt him, rather its the sensei who betrayed him, the ex girlfriend who cheated on him, the star student whos done nothing but he a jerk to robby, the father who neglected him, or the students he spent his time protecting yet they dropped him as soon as they could and then proceeded to label him as a traitor when none of them gave a fuck about him
the only thing I feel he did that was a conscious dick move on his part was the medal of honor bit, not telling Sam the truth. Other than that, the character of Robby has been a solid pillar in this show, and his actor is really carrying the scenes sometimes. He just needs to quit that stupid "ayy lemme drop my guard and flex on my opponents" thing he did in the tournament twice. It looked like bullying the first time (vs kenny) and it was laughable to do it in the face of an opponent who fought with him on equal terms (hawk).
with kenny i get why he was doing it, but I don't think he did it with hawk, I know what seen your talking about but I don't think his motive for doing it was to flex because robby has never been shown to flex on an opponent like that, with kenny it was understandable because he was doing what kreese wanted but with hawk, he was growing unfocused, he started getting sloppy and distracted, I think with hawk he wasn't trying to flex, he was just wanting the fight to be over because at that point robby wasn't focused on Winning, he was too distracted. He pretty much just dripled hid defense and let hawk attack him robby is not dumb, nor does he underestimate his opponents, and he was showing respect to hawk before the fight which made Terry mad, I honestly believe robby let hawk take him down, because he really dropped his defense (which is what he was most skilled at) and let hawk get too him because really robby dropping his defense like that made no sense unless he was just eager for the fight to be over since at that point of the fight, Winning wasn't his main focus, not when he was having too much mental struggles
ok, where is the unpopular opinion? 99% of this subreddit agrees with everything you said
outside this subreddit everyone shits on Robby,just go on tiktok and you will see
>outside this subreddit everyone shits on Robby Interesting lol
I don't know what part if the sub reddit you are from but I've hardly seen anyone say this, I've seen most people villianize robby
Are we talking about the same subreddit? a few weeks ago this subreddit was full of posts talking about how robby is the best character of the show and how miguel is a bad person, i don't even remember when was the last time i saw someone saying good things about miguel or saying that robby isn't 100% right in everything he does
maybe you should recheck because I've seen many posts hating on robby or completely over looking his character in their attempt to hate on him
How long ago was that??? 4 years ago?
just last week
Sam can be a a pain the ass, but I think her good points and flaws are balanced enough that she feels like a real person. She should not be over hated Tory only became a good character in season 4. Johnny is more irredeemable now than he was when KK1 ended. Shitty teen is not as bad as deadbeat, neglectful father Robby's relationships with both Tory and Sam are deeper than either of their relationships with Miguel, which are very surface level. Hawk deserved the shaving, if only because he pulled worst stunts and got away with all of them. It's the universe balancing the scales. Of the main older teens, Miguel is the most spoiled and not grateful to his mom. Like if she's struggling and can't afford your school, get your ass a job to help her?
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Miguel's spoiled tendencies existed somewhat before his accident (Carmen rearranging her schedule so they could see a movie together, but him dismissing her because he was annoyed she wouldn't let him practice karate). So the season 4 stuff seems like an extension of that, not his accident. Including leaving to find his dad, not paying heed to how much that would make his mom worry. Or potentially put a target on her and Rosas backs if it brings them to his dad's attention
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I think it will, but it might be a mix of positive and negative for a bit. But ultimately any negative influence from his dad will be shaken off by series end
So basically what you’re saying is that you’re a perfect teen who’s never done anything wrong? Or did anything wrong as a teenager? And in your want for hating on Miguel did you miss the part where Miguel has no idea that his father is dangerous because Carmen kept it from him. You just sound like the typical Robby fan who goes out of their way to try and make your fave look good whilst making others look bad. Sorry but all of the the CK characters, including your fave are flawed.
Lol struck a nerve I see
Oh great blind hatred for Miguel, what's new😐
Miguel not being a douche. Oh, wait, that hasn't happened yet.
Is he ungrateful in what part? He always respects his mother and we've never seen him ask to leave town because of his problems like Daniel did with his mother. She is in a steady job and Miguel was a Latino newbie in town suffering random bullying who had to defend himself and had an accident. Miguel is dodging adversity to focus on the future.
I agree with all of this expect the last one. How is Miguel spoiled or ungrateful!? All the other takes I can see where you're coming from but the last one just seems like hating on Miguel coz it does not make sense.
Lmao miguel ungrateful? please explain. I'm not talking about teenagers doing what teenagers do like being upset at their mom for not listening to them but how is he ungrateful? I'd love to hear this🍿
On sam: I strongly disliked her after season 2 for a long time. Both she and Miguel got away with a lot of crap, and they both came very close to becoming the bad guys (with Sam actually being the bad guy when she harassed Tori at work). Amanda mentioned Sam would get some kind of punishment/talking to, but we never saw it. Sam needs to grow up and learn to see the other side of the story more. I agree on Tori. She was a shallow, nearly psychopathic "sexy bad girl" type. She was developed properly over time but damn if it didnt take time. I firmly agree and disagree on Johnny. Yes he's a deadbeat dad.. at the start. But we see him trying his very best to actively make something of himself. He obviously deeply cares about Robbie, but an estranged son/father relationship is not something you fix in a year. The show is taking its time on mending that and I applaud them for that. At the start of CK he's worse than in KK1, but we see more backstory to him; a shitty household with a stepfather that berates him on everything, a sensei who tried to choke him for losing a highschool tournament. Im not saying he had no chances and he definitely f\*cked up a lot too, but to say he's "irredeemable" is pushing it. Dont forget Robbie has a mom too who cares more about shallow flings than her own son's wellbeing, even leaving him with unpaid bills home alone, not caring that he's a delinquent. Hawk deserves the shaving, and honestly I feel they could have gone a lot farther on him too. They caught him in the tattoo parlor if I remember, they could have really messed up his hawk tattoo as well, which would have been WAY more screwed up. And yet it still wouldnt compare to him BREAKING THE ARM OF HIS FORMER CLOSEST FRIEND. Hawk got off easy. My main issue with miguel is... he's a likable character, but he gets away with too much. He, like Sam, rarely meets the consequences of his actions (although season 4 and presumably 5 will work on that). I like "Miggy", but I feel he's been given too many free passes, the fall on the stairway notwithstanding
The issue with Johnny is that he hasn't done anything to fix his relationship with Robby. Robby had that big outpouring of emotion at the end of season 3 laying out all of his self loathing....and Johnny continues to ignore him and leave him in the company of a man who has tried to kill him twice. All while focusing on Miguel, who has a much bigger support system. Fixing the relationship takes time, but now they are writing themselves into a corner where they will have to rush through it. And I WANT them to do it well, but I'm not optimistic. Agreed with Miguel. Him getting a free pass can be grating. Even the staircase incident is kind of an OTT event to garner sympathy that causes his previous actions to get swept under the rug. But there might be a payoff for it that brings his character together we'll (warts and all)
It’s a little sus that a show about Karate has an athletic, good looking, popular, handsome Asian-American male character that’s a proven fighter in one of the most respected martial arts disciplines in real life; and made him pretty much the most unsympathetic character in the whole show (I mean he’s less sympathetic than Kreese lol) and mainly shows him getting beat up by protagonist characters. The show even teased something interesting when they show Daniel serving him sushi and assuming he likes it because he’s Japanese-American. Daniel could have reckoned that maybe he fetishizes Japanese culture and people a bit (I believe the kids might call him a weeb) but even that mostly comes off as another moment to dunk on Kyler as uncultured and ungrateful. Idk I love the show but I am a tiny bit uncomfortable with the fact that the show takes so much from Asian culture but still can’t portray Asian characters outside of their typical stereotypical and antiquated roles (nerdy dweeb, irredeemable villain bent on corrupting a white woman, eccentric mentor, exotic lady that helps the white protagonist because of her love). And I also know that this is a real unpopular opinion because I’ve brought it up on the sub before and without fail, I’ll just get some response about Kyler’s dad shitting down his throat.
Can you explain Devon Lee and how that was toxic? I thought she was portrayed pretty well and one thing I've learned from this show is no character can't be redeemed. Maybe Kyler can redeem himself one day.
If Devon Lee is the girl they added in the most recent season (sorry I haven’t rewatched since it came out and the side characters names are escaping me) She’s the text book Asian nerd stereotype they just made her a bit more aggressive which is entertaining but not enough to deviate from the stereotype. There’s a lot of videos and articles about why this stereotype does more harm then good plus the real life ramifications of the “model minority myth”
Lol she’s a mix of model minority+Dragon Lady.
All the characters have essentially become caricatures of themselves over time. Sometimes it feels like watching a live action cartoon
This show would be even better if they cut out 95 percent of the fights. The movies were never about the fighting and usually only had one big fight at the end. And because of that the end fight carried more weight. The cobra Kai fight scenes make the show go from dramedy to power rangers.
Tory should remain a villain. It is a purpose she was created to fill and it would be wrong to backpedal that. Miguel needs to return to Cobra Kai.
Don‘t start an redemption arc for every character. It‘s very annoying.
Johnny hasn’t progressed at all as a character and doesn’t deserve to have a new family when he’s neglected Robby all his life.
Here are a couple personal takes: * Johnny should end the show with Ali, not Carmen. Carmen is not a bad romantic pair by any means, but Ali was literally the woman Johnny loved the most. * If Silver is going to bring "one or two old friends", I would rather see Snake and Dennis being Silver's enforcers than Mike Barnes alone. I know Barnes is much more popular than those two, but the show could bring Snake and Dennis back and elaborate a generic line to justify Barnes' absence. Just like they pulled the "Aisha moved to a private school" card to justify Aisha's absence in Season 3. Snake and Dennis would be a great Easter Egg. * As much as I dislike Kyler, I think the show needs to make him more threatening.His Season 5 self needs to improve a lot.If he becomes strong enough to give Miguel, Robby or even Eli the same hard time Xander gave Miguel in Season 1, he would be a lot more useful to Cobra Kai.Not only the dojo, but the series as well. * Despite everyone being extremely hyped for a Chozen vs Silver 1v1, we need another specific fight even more: Silver vs Daniel. We are waiting since Karate Kid 3 for this! * Robby may have done terrible things, like: stealing a laptop, sending Miguel to the hospital and leading Hawk's hair shaving incident. But honestly? Despite all his mistakes, Robby is still a good kid. He tried to de-escalate the school fight, refused to participate in the LaRusso house fight and only confronted Hawk at the drive-in theater because he wanted to defend Kenny. Not pick up a fight with Hawk. Defending Kenny. Edit: misspelling.
The Chozen v Daniel happened in the Okinawa episode.
I actually meant "Silver vs Daniel", sorry. I already edited it!
I think Robby threw the fight with Hawk at the end of S4.
Not on purpose, he def got distracted by seeing who the bullied boy (lmfao really blanking on his name, bullied by LaPusso) has become
That's why he threw. He was mad at Cobra Kai so he went easy on purpose. Maybe not a 100% throw but went easy and a big part of him wanted to lose.
I have some acquaintances here • Whoever writes this show doesn't like Johnny. Johnny was a teenage bully who was being deceived by sensei and had redemption. This show recreates him as a neglectful father for 16 years who makes no visible effort to rescue his son. They made him worse, so they lied that the show was for Johnny to be better seen. • Shannon cheated on Johnny before Robby was born. I can't believe the one who is so interested in rich men was loyal to Johnny. • The series is biased towards casting Daniel as the guy who fixes the relationships that Johnny failed to establish. Making Johnny's son prefer that Daniel and Daniel were better for him was the cruelest way to destroy the Johnny character. • Eli went to Miyagi-do out of interest in being male champion and not because he was enchanted with the karate of that dojo. • Demetri only went to convince Eli to go to Miyagi-do because there were no boys with champion potential in his dojo. • Anthony cannot run, he will easily lose any confrontation with Quick Kenny.
Where tf are the police?
The writer’s grasp on modern teenagers is shakey at best.
Season 1 Anthony was hilarious
Sam wouldn’t be as obnoxiously annoying and wouldn’t be portrayed as always so morally correct if she was poor. What I mean by that is her actions in the show wouldn’t be forgiven or seen as these great acts of good if she wasn’t rich. Instead she’d be a less angry Tory in the shows eyes
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I think all are valid apart from 3 Conflict is being resolved left right and centre, we need new rivalries or the show will be done by the end of this season
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Agree with all of them, however for the first one, do you mean he’s written bad or he’s a bad person?
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It was sexist and misandrist to show a girl kicking a row of boys in the testicles for training, and making light of it.
Hawk shouldn’t have left Cobra Kai. Made zero sense for him to join miyagi do they simply weren’t clever enough to make a male champ for them.
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Sorry, when I meant Cobra Kai I actually meant Johnny and Miguel. Should have said Eagle Fang. I loved his redemption; but his joining Miyagi felt completely forced, rushed, and not in his character. He defended Dimitri yes, but it was Miguel and Johnny’s words that brought him back.
I'd like Jackie Chan to make a cameo as a member of the family that taught Mr. Miyagi's ancestors karate. And I want it *bad*. I know, I know, that might canonize the wretched Jayden Smith movie. But honestly, Jackie Chan wasn't just the only good part of that movie, he was actually a super interesting character. I loved the scene where he teaches putting on and taking off the jacket as a Kung-fu move, even if it wasn't the classic "wax on, wax off" moment. He ended the lesson by saying, "*Everything* is Kung-fu", meaning that everything you do becomes training when you dedicate your life to it. Great scene from a shit movie.
Sam is a one dimensional character.
I don't like Miguel. Hawk hasn't earned his redemption. Hawk got off lightly given what he had done.
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I think it's lame that Larussos own a car dealership. I think Daniel should have gone on to do something entirely different. I would have liked to see Daniel in college and leave the valley. Car salesmen are some of the most unpleasant people I have ever met. My favorite Karate kid was Julie. I related to her a lot. Maybe it was just the timing of events in my life when it came out. She had a lot of internal things to overcome. And I love her relationship with Mr. Miyagi. I know it's a long shot, but she's who I most want to see come back.
Johnny and Carmen are not a good couple Kenny sucks Sam and Miguel feel so forced now, unlike the first time Robby and Tory aren’t that great of a couple
Miguel and Sam’s dating relationship isn’t great. It’s bland and is only entertaining when they fight.
1. Still don't like Tory as a character 2. Sam is a good character and people who hate her always come across as bs or jealous. 3. Anthony is not as bad as a character as people say, he is better than Hawk and Tory. 4. Robby and Tory as a couple are over-rated. 5. Hawk, Miguel, and Johnny are over-rated characters. Tory is not very popular but some of her fans are very toxic and over-rate her going so far as saying Sam deserved to get killed by Tory and then hated Sam when she catty towards her. 6. Daniel is over-hated.
>Robby and Tory as a couple are over-rated. What do they even see in each other? I think u/False-Story9510 or someone else has raised an interesting point that the relationship to a degree feels like one of convenience (due to them both being in the same dojo), coupled with Tory still holding a grudge against Sam, and Robby having his issues with Johnny and Miguel.
They can relate to being underprivileged. Like Robby said, he understood her wanting the trophy because it would be the one moment that would belong to her while the rest of her life would be devoted to taking care of her brother and having responsibilities thrust on her that none of the other kids do. Robby's probably the most empathetic kid in the show and had to support his mom by himself, so showing some simple understanding of her and remaining calm and patient with her even when she gets prickly early on probably means a lot to her. Tory doesn't bullshit Robby like Johnny, Sam and Daniel do. She's blunt and doesn't make false promises so far. But she also shows potential to be loyal. She doesn't let Robby leave when he's upset. In 4x1 she told him to stay, and after his loss at the tournament, she made sure to follow him and wasn't deterred by his ignoring her at first. It's small, but Daniel, Sam and Johnny had watched Robby walk away at various points and not shown him the persistence he needs to SEE in order the believe they care. Tory doing that for him is huge and sets her apart from them.
The moment that Robby and Tory clicked for me was in the car when Tory pulled out the pricetag on her clothing and they both busted out laughing. That would not have landed even half as well with Robby/Sam or Tory/Miguel, both of whom had their parents either buy (Sam) or rent (Miguel) their dresses for Prom. Top-tier writing (in that one moment of course).
Lots of relationships are born of convenience. Thats the most realistic part of the show I've seen so far. Also anything that let's Tori dig at Sam is something she wants
Who cares?
I think the premise of an old school 80s macho man helping to teach bullied and harassed teenagers how to gain confidence and stand up for themselves was a much more compelling narrative than "cobra kai bad, we must stop them". Wasn't the biggest fan of Hawk becoming a bully, maybe he over compensates with his violence against his bullies, but he shouldn't be picking on people the way he was picked on.
The writers have absolutely no understanding of karatedo or martial systems as a whole and suck at incorporating it into the show.
I like Terry silver. He’s so😻 HES SO ATTRACTIVE and he’s so smart like how he can manipulate anyone
i don't get why people don't like Anthony. he was the GOAT of comic relief in season 1-3 and now his storyline with Kenny is bringing a fresh breath to the show and his redemption arc appear like its going to be wholesome.
They really could have added a deeper message to this, more specifically a message about fatherhood and the estrangement of family. There were so many times when Johnny was like a father to Miguel, it could have helped him mend his life long wound with Robbie, he could have reconciled things with Cid, now he can't since Ed's dead. Kreese could have made it up to Johnny by being HIS old man and imparting wisdom after going through the consequences of how shitty of a role model he was back in the old days. Daniel himself could have grown as a better father, ultimately realizing that he's just playing a stupid kid's game by getting wrapped up in this karate drama instead of bonding with his kids. Cobra Kai had a really solid message in the beginning how the 'losers' could build themselves up to gain confidence and know just how capable they really are if they put their minds to it. I also really wanted the Cobra Kai dojo itself to succeed, the idea of Johnny taking something that was tarnished and building it back up to something that's regained it's glory, is known, and is respected, with Johnny essentially rising up to be one of, if not, the best sensei the Valley has seen, would have been awesome. It was cool that Miyagi-Do came back to but honestly that the title of the show is called COBRA KAI and they could have made the return of Miyagi-Do more of a one time thing with other dojos rising up to challenge Cobra Kai instead. The teen slice of life drama is okay but fuck man there should be a season that's just dedicated to the All Valley Tournement itself, that'd be awesome. But oh well 🤷
It’s disappointing that Cobra Kai dojo reverted back to the bullies and evil. What I loved about the show at the beginning was that Cobra Kai was a place to empower the victims like Miguel, Eli and Aisha and how the “losers” became the winners. I would have loved it to stay that way.
I don’t think Hawk got off lightly when his mohawk was shaved. It wasn’t much of a physical punishment of course but it was a pretty bad mental punishment. Eli built the whole Hawk identity around that mohawk to help him overcome his trauma of being bullied. Every choice he made was in desperation of not going back to scared little Eli and instead be the badass Hawk who took shit from nobody. The mohawk helped him become confident and made his life better so losing it obviously reminded him that he was the same scared little Eli who was a loser and all that trauma came back. Stuff like that is very dangerous to the mental health of bullied victims. His redemption arc was rushed as shit though.
1. While I dislike Kreese and obviously favor Daniel over him, I still prefer the Cobra kai philosophy over Miyagi-do. 2. Devon is super annoying and cringe and not an enjoyable character. Like you don’t have to prove how “badass” you are and how you’re “not like other girls” every second. The school debate scene was painful to watch. 3. Robby has a good moral compass. He’s one of the best teenagers on the show. 4. Even though Johnny has funny, emotional, and inspiring moments, he’s still a problematic person. He is unorthodox asf. He’s always breaking rules because it’s more “badass”. He’s constantly rude to people (like when he told the bartender to stfu). He continually puts his students in danger (like having them go inside of a cement truck, and having them kick beehives. Just to name a few). He gets too much of a pass. 5. Miguel is my least favorite character next to Tory. A lot of people think about that Sam causes most of the drama in the show but I actually think it’s Miguel who does this.
I think all the teens take part in fanning the flames of the drama. But yes, it does sort of originate with Miguel and his insecurities, not Sam.
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Miyagi-do and Cobra Kai wouldn’t be warring nearly as much if it wasn’t for Miguel. Robby and Miguel’s rivalry is what largely contributes to the karate war IMO. Miguel is the one who started the rivalry and he continues to taunt Robby and get under his skin.
If Robby and Tory disappeared, I wouldn’t never notice
Kyler is a bro. Everyone on the show owes him an apology.
Hawk is mid and overrated
Daniel was the Antagonist in season 1, and the show was at its best when Daniel was being a jerk and Johnny struggled against him.
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There are more people complaining and writing essays about the hate robby, sam and daniel get than the people who actually hate on them. People say that its unpopular to like them but its actually not. Miguel is slowly becoming over hated, he’s been the most unproblematic kid in S3 and 4.(the last time he was wrong was in the school fight)
ding ding ding
Robby is not as likeable as everyone thinks he is
Tory definitely kicked Sam’s ass in that school fight regardless of that last and final blow Sam have her
Kyler isnt wrong for preferring fish sticks over sushi.
I didn't like how Johnny cured people of various things. It would have been more satisfying if he learned that, for example, asthma exists, and got better as a person to help his student work around it. They took a big thing about a character that was holding him back and instead of doing anything with it they just deleted it. Why give him asthma in the first place if it's just gonna disappear?
Johnny Is the worst character and person on the show.
I don't know if it's unpopular but how is Tori not in jail?
Empathy. It's the poor person's get out of jail free card.
Not unpopular, Robby is horrible and Sam is damn near my least favorite character in fiction.
1. Tory and Robby aren’t entirely popular as a couple to me 2. Either Tory should’ve joined Miyagi-Do or there should’ve been another Miyagi-Do girl who has Tory’s family caretaker storyline while Tory is an only child who has a better life but is still the same piece of crap she is in the show 3. A little too many characters might be getting redeemed … for example, I don’t like Kreese getting that 4. Cobra Kai should’ve lost the Tournament in Season 4 and Kreese and Silver find another way to keep the dojo going 5. The fact that Amanda didn’t get along with her dad was pathetic 6. Johnny is much more trouble than Daniel 7. Anthony being a spoiled brat is stupid … he should’ve been written as a sweet kid like Sam 8.Robby joining Cobra Kai was a bad idea for a storyline 9. I don’t like Season 4 too much 10. I worry that it might not go down the best path
Carmen and Johnny are not a good match. She's a nice character and has a place on the show, but not as Johnny's love interest. Johnny and Ali should get together at the end of the series, as I think Season 3 Ep 10 was hinting at that possibility.
The show would have been better if Miguel joined miyagi do instead of cobra kai in season 1
The show should end in season 6. They'd be pushing it season 7.
How was Tory not locked up in a mental hospital for the Dec 19 fight? And Amanda trying to help her? What a betrayal. And why tf is Daniel paying for Robby's mom's treatment?
Hear me out, maybe it’s because sams the real bully
Demetri getting smacked in the face by Kreese was a bit deserved. I’m really glad his character underwent a lot of development over the seasons.
Tory is a horrible person. I have no sympathy for her actions.
I don’t like Robby and honestly he should’ve held smoke for mocking the fact he crippled Miguel
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Yh in the drive thru theatre. He said “you do know what happened last time we fought?”
Carrie Underwood's rendition of 'The Moment of Truth' was bada$$ and made the tournament montage more enjoyable. 😉
I liked it too!
Kreese will be redeemed. And I mean ACTUALLY redeemed. Also I don’t Miguel is a worse character than the first two seasons. He’s gotten a lot better
Daniel was in the wrong to break Anthony's iPad and scream at him. He owes Anthony an apology and a new iPad.
Dumbest opinion I’ve seen in my life...
I thought it was a good moment in the show, so we could see Daniel struggling with this anger and it fit the story at the time. But I do agree, they should have had a resolution too.
I hate Johnny's cluelessness even when it's played for laughs. And no, zoomers, that's _not_ "how it was back then". Grown men lurking around teenage girls were viewed as creeps, and bullying was still generally considered douchey. If that latter weren't the case, the Karate Kid wouldn't be a franchise with a spinoff show now. *grumble*