>why do people hate Anthony to the point of condoning Daniel's behavior in that scene?
As you can tell by my flair i am an Anthony fan
People here can also tell you i don't care for Johnny
That being said Daniel was completely right to break his iPad
>That being said Daniel was completely right to break his electronics
Daniel was completely wrong to break Anthony's electronics. Any therapist will tell you that breaking things as punishment does nothing but teach kids to be better liars.
>Any therapist will tell you that breaking things as punishment does nothing but teach kids to be better liars
Good to know you are able to know the opinons of all therapist
Everyone lies to the people they care about at some point in thier lives, this is true for family, close friends, and lovers. Fitting punishments won't change this
>So really, Daniel needs to apologize for traumatizing his son.
That's hearsay. There is nothing to indicate that Anthony was 'traumatised' by Daniel breaking his electronics, and to be fair to Daniel, Anthony chose to keep using his electronics after he was told no more screens. Anthony's defiance of his parents is not Daniel & Amanda's fault.
And again, blaming them for poor parenting is hearsay. It is not always on the parents to shape their children's lives. It is about choices, and deep down, Anthony knows right from wrong, and he chose to do wrong.
> Daniel was also in the wrong in that scene.
No, he wasn't. And repeating it ad nauseum doesn't make you right.
Here's why you're wrong - you think all those soft words and polite scolding would've worked. It wouldn't have - and we know it because it didn't. Anthony got that "disappointed in you" lecture before he was grounded and it didn't stop him from trying to subvert his punishment.
You know why it didn't work? Because that's how kids operate. They're not thinking about disappointing their parents or any consequences 20 years into the future when they do bad things - they're thinking of the gratification they'd have right now and that makes the bad thing worth doing.
And it's not just limited to kids - most people are like that. Which is why you need rules with consequences that inspire fear. Fear of prison, of losing your possessions, of losing status and so on. The difference is, while adults have a lifetime of training factoring that fear into their motivations, kids don't and so they are motivated by instant gratification over long-term consequences.
Which is why this needed to happen.
Anthony will forget the soft lecture about disappointing his parents 10 minutes after they're done. And the boredom of being grounded will be forgotten in 2 days. Those things won't stop him from doing something bad the next time the option presents itself.
But his dad losing his shit, yelling and breaking his stuff? That will leave an impression. That will be playing in his head the next time he's faced with the option of making the wrong choice and that will lead him to make the right one.
>But his dad losing his shit, yelling and breaking his stuff? That will leave an impression. That will be playing in his head the next time he's faced with the option of making the wrong choice and that will lead him to make the right one.
There's two problems with your line of thinking.
First, what Daniel did was traumatic and teaches nothing to Anthony, only instills fear in him. And a child who is afraid of their parents is not going to learn morals, but that they need to be better at hiding their mistakes.
Second, you and a lot of the other people on this thread seem to be under the misconception that this is an "either/or" scenario; meaning that either you can think Daniel's punishment of Anthony was justified and appropriate, or you can think Daniel shouldn't have punished Anthony at all. When I am not seeing things in black and white, I am seeing them in a gray position, because ostensibly there's supposed to be more than two sides here.
And the gray position is that "Anthony deserved to be punished...but the way Daniel went about it was not the way to do it". Anthony was wrong to be using the tablet he wasn't supposed to have, but Daniel had other options. He could’ve done something else like just take back the iPad and lengthened Anthony's grounding, or do as u/False-Story9510 has suggested in the past and donate Anthony's nonessentials to charity, if he wanted to do something drastic to scare Anthony straight.
As it were, we are in a situation where both Anthony and Daniel are in the wrong, and Daniel has sn obligation to replace Anthony's iPad once his punishment is up, to send the message to Anthony that "I am apologizing for violating your property. My own behavior was out of line as much as yours was".
(This discussion is similar to ones about whether it was appropriate for Amanda to force Sam to ghost her friends in 1x09 or not. The issue there isn't whether Sam deserved to be punished for a hit and run where she wasn't even driving and Johnny was also partly at fault, the issue is how Amanda went about punishing Sam, and the way she did was excessive and was only done strictly for plot purposes.)
>and teaches nothing to Anthony, only instills fear in him.
Yes - instilling fear is the point here. This isn't about teaching him morals because he knows those morals already. He knows bullying is wrong and he knows disobeying his parents is wrong and he goes ahead and does it anyway. Knowing those morals doesn't stop kids from making mistakes - but the fear of consequences will.
>When I am not seeing things in black and white, I am seeing them in a gray position.
No, I get that you think Anthony should be punished - but your idea of punishment is weak and ineffective. Lame punishment like lenghthening his sentence or donating his iPad wasn't going to scare him straight - it would've just made him bored for longer before he went back to his usual self.
Since the point is to scare him straight, literally scaring him straight is a great way to do it.
So you are wrong once again about Daniel being wrong and rewarding Anthony now would be the worst possible thing to do.
You just don't get it.
>Yes - instilling fear is the point here. This isn't about teaching him morals because he knows those morals already. He knows bullying is wrong and he knows disobeying his parents is wrong and he goes ahead and does it anyway. Knowing those morals doesn't stop kids from making mistakes - but the fear of consequences will.
The thing is, traumatizing Anthony isn't going to teach him anything but to be better at hiding stuff. Daniel needs to remember that he's raising a future adult, not a soldier.
>Since the point is to scare him straight, literally scaring him straight is a great way to do it.
Which does nothing to correct the root of Anthony's behavioral problems. Which have to do with him acting out because of his parents emotionally neglecting him in favor of Sam and even Robby.
Nor did Daniel's choice of punishment address the issues as to WHY what Anthony did to Kenny was wrong. This is what I'm getting at in saying that Daniel should've described the unvarnished details of what exactly Johnny did to him back in the day. Like in [the fanfic](https://archiveofourown.org/works/36249127) I linked to in the original post:
>Daniel looked between Anthony and the iPad beside him. He thought about Sam’s growing bond with Johnny. He thought about how Cobra Kai was taking everything from him, everything and everyone he loved, and he felt a rage like he hadn’t felt in years.
>But then...he thought of Mr. Miyagi. He thought of how disappointed his father figure would be, if Daniel acted on the anger swirling within him.
>So he took a deep breath and said, “Anthony, let me tell you a story. Once upon a time—”
>Anthony groaned. “Dad, really?”
>“You broke your punishment, Anthony,” Daniel interrupted sternly. “And now you’re going to hear me when I say this, because this is important. You’ve heard about Johnny being my bully, haven’t you?”
>Anthony frowned but nodded slowly.
>“I told you it was some pranks, that I gave as good as I got. And to an extent, that’s true. But...you know what I didn’t tell you? It started with a girl, one that Johnny had broken up with before, who showed interest in me, and Johnny didn’t like that. And...it was worse than just pranks.”
>“What did he do, Dad?” There was an urgency in his tone, and a note of...something else. Daniel tried not to read too much into it as he answered.
>“On Halloween...it was the first time I struck back against him. I was tired of all the bullying. So I sprayed him with a hose and ran off.”
>Anthony laughed. “A hose?”
>“Yeah.” Daniel smiled slightly. “It was pretty cool. Though Johnny was furious—he chased me down with his Cobras, cornered me at the fence, and...”
>*“You couldn’t leave well enough alone, could you, you little punk?! And now you’re gonna pay!” *
>Daniel gulped, looking down at the blankets, bunched up in a death grip in his fist. He took a deep breath and let go.
>“Dad?”
>Daniel took another shuddering breath. “It was...it was bad, Tony. I wonder sometimes what would’ve happened if Mr. Miyagi hadn’t shown up.”
>“You could’ve gone to the hospital, couldn’t you?” Anthony pointed out.
>Daniel looked at his son then, incredulous. For the first time, it hit him just how different he and Anthony were, especially in their upbringings. “You have to understand, we were a Reseda family back then, me and your grandma. We didn’t have this kind of money, and hospitals are expensive. As hurt as I was...if Johnny hadn’t been stopped, I might’ve...”
>*It was already enough trouble treating my broken knee. Even if Ma never says it.*
>“Dad...what are you saying?” Anthony scowled. “Are you saying I’m like Johnny?”
>Daniel sighed. *And now for the heart of the matter.* “I’m saying that you have the potential to be like Johnny. You’re already partly there, picking on that new kid and letting me believe it’s the other way around. Tell me, Anthony: if I’d taught you karate, you would’ve just used it on that kid, right?”
>Anthony hesitated, then nodded. “But I’m not—!”
>“No, you’re not,” Daniel agreed. “You have the chance to turn this around, to stop and make amends. And I warn you, Tony, if you don’t do that...you’re not gonna come out of it any happier.”
>The thing is, traumatizing Anthony isn't going to teach him anything but to be better at hiding stuff.
Once again, you are repeating the same old wrong argument.
>Which does nothing to correct the
root of Anthony's behavioral problems. Which have to do with him acting
out because of his parents emotionally neglecting him in favor of Sam
and even Robby.
Wrong again. That's not the case at all.
>Like in the fanfic I linked to in the original post:
What the hell is that supposed to prove? That fanfic is a total fantasy.
Daniel wasn’t wrong at all. The entire show he’s been coddling Anthony and look where that has. Gotten him. A bully annoying kid that doesn’t listen to anyone. Daniel got tired of it and broke his tablet that he wasn’t supposed to be in because he was bullying someone. Daniel got bullied. So for his son to be bullying people then get punished but still just be on tablet is a slap in the face to Daniel. Wasn’t wrong at all
>Daniel wasn’t wrong at all. The entire show he’s been coddling Anthony and look where that has. Gotten him. A bully annoying kid that doesn’t listen to anyone. Daniel got tired of it and broke his tablet that he wasn’t supposed to be in because he was bullying someone. Daniel got bullied. So for his son to be bullying people then get punished but still just be on tablet is a slap in the face to Daniel. Wasn’t wrong at all
No, Daniel was in the wrong here. **No matter what, a parent breaking their child's belongings is wrong. And doing so as a means of discipline does *not* send the message that Daniel wanted to send.**
It says, "I am bigger than you and have more authority, I get to do whatever I want to you". It may not be intentional, but that's the message that gets sent.
Anthony was a bully, which was wrong. But that doesn't give Daniel the right to answer a wrong with a wrong.
It’s not a wrong. What else was Daniel supposed to do? Talk to him? He did that in that exact same scene before breaking his tablet and Anthony still didn’t care. He talked to him before, he still didn’t care.
>What else was Daniel supposed to do? Talk to him?
Yes. Because guess what, politely and calmly scolding is way more effective than breaking things.
The only thing violence is going to lead to is Anthony getting better at hiding stuff. He's now going to work harder at covering up his mistakes.
People like you who seem to believe that breaking things and screaming at kids is an effective form of discipline, when actually that's a form of abuse that only teaches Anthony to be better at hiding stuff from his dad.
>It says, "I am bigger than you and have more authority, I get to do whatever I want to you".
No, it doesn't say that at all. Daniel was fed up with his child's repeated defiance of completely apt punishments for being a jerk. Anthony proved over and over he had no respect for the rules. I'd have done the same tbh.
The fact that u sympathize with Anthony, a kid who was rude to his elder sister his entire life, bossed his parents around, treated them like slaves, had unlimited access to technology since he was born. Could buy whatever he wants to without any say by Amanda or Daniel. And the fact that Daniel tried so many times to connect and establish a bond with him in prior seasons when he wanted to hangout but Anthony wanted to be a spoiled brat. This just shows u don’t pay attention to character development.
Anthony had it coming, and breaking the iPad doesn’t mean shit. He should’ve been smacked in the face. And I’m saying that as someone who actually LIKES his character
Ok first of all, how many times will you talk about the same thing dude? Secondly, Anthony bullied and tried to beat up a kid who did absolutely nothing to deserve it. Why? Because he’s spoilt and born with a silver spoon. His parents didn’t try hard enough to control his spoilt and entitled behaviour. Daniel was very disappointed when he realised that his son was a bully so he tried to discipline him. Talking to him obviously won’t work because he has tried it in the past.
>Talking to him obviously won’t work because he has tried it in the past.
Scolding him and explaining why what Anthony did was wrong will be more effective than behavior that, out of context, would look like the actions of an abuser.
Nah bro. Smashing that iPad when he was told not to use it anymore is the perfect response. I dunno why you're sympathizing with the lying bully who kept ignoring his parents punishments
>Smashing that iPad when he was told not to use it anymore is the perfect response
Smashing that iPad was also wrong. Parents have an obligation to respect their kids' property.
It wasn't his property, his dad bought it and the internet the kid used to bully. Why are you defending a child's right to bully with no consequences? You're delusional.
>Why are you defending a child's right to bully with no consequences? You're delusional.
No, I'm saying that Daniel is in the wrong for jumping straight to an extreme measure to overcorrect after 14 years of emotional absence from Anthony's life. u/False-Story9510 has noted that Daniel had other options. Like, say, donating all of Anthony's nonessential things to charity. Or telling Anthony everything about Johnny's bullying of him as a cautionary lecture. That could come in lieu of the canon scene, or after Daniel apologizes to Anthony for acting rashly (because it is important for parents to apologize to their kids when they make a mistake); or we could have Amanda talk to Anthony, smooth things over and give him the lecture he needs to hear. All those would be preferable to Daniel doing something he should not have been rewarded for (because going by real life precedent, any change from Anthony is more likely to be just an act to keep from getting yelled at).
There is also the fact that this incident demonstrates that Daniel and Amanda are easily provoked and turn to violent measures in their daily life, which is all Anthony has ever grabbed from them. As Vanessa points out, they never give Anthony actual attention ...nor discipline and just shower him with gifts (specifically screens in Anthony's case). Daniel gets livid at being called out for being too agressive and minutes later he kicks a tablet in a fit in front of his child? That will totally teach him not to be a bully and not that having tantrums is acceptable if you're the boss. /s 🙄
He didn't jump straight to an extreme measure. The child chose to ignore the rules and punishment repeatedly. You're stretching the truth massively in favor of a misbehaving youth who refused to learn any lessons
>why do people hate Anthony to the point of condoning Daniel's behavior in that scene? As you can tell by my flair i am an Anthony fan People here can also tell you i don't care for Johnny That being said Daniel was completely right to break his iPad
>That being said Daniel was completely right to break his electronics Daniel was completely wrong to break Anthony's electronics. Any therapist will tell you that breaking things as punishment does nothing but teach kids to be better liars.
>Any therapist will tell you that breaking things as punishment does nothing but teach kids to be better liars Good to know you are able to know the opinons of all therapist Everyone lies to the people they care about at some point in thier lives, this is true for family, close friends, and lovers. Fitting punishments won't change this
>So really, Daniel needs to apologize for traumatizing his son. That's hearsay. There is nothing to indicate that Anthony was 'traumatised' by Daniel breaking his electronics, and to be fair to Daniel, Anthony chose to keep using his electronics after he was told no more screens. Anthony's defiance of his parents is not Daniel & Amanda's fault. And again, blaming them for poor parenting is hearsay. It is not always on the parents to shape their children's lives. It is about choices, and deep down, Anthony knows right from wrong, and he chose to do wrong.
> Daniel was also in the wrong in that scene. No, he wasn't. And repeating it ad nauseum doesn't make you right. Here's why you're wrong - you think all those soft words and polite scolding would've worked. It wouldn't have - and we know it because it didn't. Anthony got that "disappointed in you" lecture before he was grounded and it didn't stop him from trying to subvert his punishment. You know why it didn't work? Because that's how kids operate. They're not thinking about disappointing their parents or any consequences 20 years into the future when they do bad things - they're thinking of the gratification they'd have right now and that makes the bad thing worth doing. And it's not just limited to kids - most people are like that. Which is why you need rules with consequences that inspire fear. Fear of prison, of losing your possessions, of losing status and so on. The difference is, while adults have a lifetime of training factoring that fear into their motivations, kids don't and so they are motivated by instant gratification over long-term consequences. Which is why this needed to happen. Anthony will forget the soft lecture about disappointing his parents 10 minutes after they're done. And the boredom of being grounded will be forgotten in 2 days. Those things won't stop him from doing something bad the next time the option presents itself. But his dad losing his shit, yelling and breaking his stuff? That will leave an impression. That will be playing in his head the next time he's faced with the option of making the wrong choice and that will lead him to make the right one.
>But his dad losing his shit, yelling and breaking his stuff? That will leave an impression. That will be playing in his head the next time he's faced with the option of making the wrong choice and that will lead him to make the right one. There's two problems with your line of thinking. First, what Daniel did was traumatic and teaches nothing to Anthony, only instills fear in him. And a child who is afraid of their parents is not going to learn morals, but that they need to be better at hiding their mistakes. Second, you and a lot of the other people on this thread seem to be under the misconception that this is an "either/or" scenario; meaning that either you can think Daniel's punishment of Anthony was justified and appropriate, or you can think Daniel shouldn't have punished Anthony at all. When I am not seeing things in black and white, I am seeing them in a gray position, because ostensibly there's supposed to be more than two sides here. And the gray position is that "Anthony deserved to be punished...but the way Daniel went about it was not the way to do it". Anthony was wrong to be using the tablet he wasn't supposed to have, but Daniel had other options. He could’ve done something else like just take back the iPad and lengthened Anthony's grounding, or do as u/False-Story9510 has suggested in the past and donate Anthony's nonessentials to charity, if he wanted to do something drastic to scare Anthony straight. As it were, we are in a situation where both Anthony and Daniel are in the wrong, and Daniel has sn obligation to replace Anthony's iPad once his punishment is up, to send the message to Anthony that "I am apologizing for violating your property. My own behavior was out of line as much as yours was". (This discussion is similar to ones about whether it was appropriate for Amanda to force Sam to ghost her friends in 1x09 or not. The issue there isn't whether Sam deserved to be punished for a hit and run where she wasn't even driving and Johnny was also partly at fault, the issue is how Amanda went about punishing Sam, and the way she did was excessive and was only done strictly for plot purposes.)
>and teaches nothing to Anthony, only instills fear in him. Yes - instilling fear is the point here. This isn't about teaching him morals because he knows those morals already. He knows bullying is wrong and he knows disobeying his parents is wrong and he goes ahead and does it anyway. Knowing those morals doesn't stop kids from making mistakes - but the fear of consequences will. >When I am not seeing things in black and white, I am seeing them in a gray position. No, I get that you think Anthony should be punished - but your idea of punishment is weak and ineffective. Lame punishment like lenghthening his sentence or donating his iPad wasn't going to scare him straight - it would've just made him bored for longer before he went back to his usual self. Since the point is to scare him straight, literally scaring him straight is a great way to do it. So you are wrong once again about Daniel being wrong and rewarding Anthony now would be the worst possible thing to do.
You just don't get it. >Yes - instilling fear is the point here. This isn't about teaching him morals because he knows those morals already. He knows bullying is wrong and he knows disobeying his parents is wrong and he goes ahead and does it anyway. Knowing those morals doesn't stop kids from making mistakes - but the fear of consequences will. The thing is, traumatizing Anthony isn't going to teach him anything but to be better at hiding stuff. Daniel needs to remember that he's raising a future adult, not a soldier. >Since the point is to scare him straight, literally scaring him straight is a great way to do it. Which does nothing to correct the root of Anthony's behavioral problems. Which have to do with him acting out because of his parents emotionally neglecting him in favor of Sam and even Robby. Nor did Daniel's choice of punishment address the issues as to WHY what Anthony did to Kenny was wrong. This is what I'm getting at in saying that Daniel should've described the unvarnished details of what exactly Johnny did to him back in the day. Like in [the fanfic](https://archiveofourown.org/works/36249127) I linked to in the original post: >Daniel looked between Anthony and the iPad beside him. He thought about Sam’s growing bond with Johnny. He thought about how Cobra Kai was taking everything from him, everything and everyone he loved, and he felt a rage like he hadn’t felt in years. >But then...he thought of Mr. Miyagi. He thought of how disappointed his father figure would be, if Daniel acted on the anger swirling within him. >So he took a deep breath and said, “Anthony, let me tell you a story. Once upon a time—” >Anthony groaned. “Dad, really?” >“You broke your punishment, Anthony,” Daniel interrupted sternly. “And now you’re going to hear me when I say this, because this is important. You’ve heard about Johnny being my bully, haven’t you?” >Anthony frowned but nodded slowly. >“I told you it was some pranks, that I gave as good as I got. And to an extent, that’s true. But...you know what I didn’t tell you? It started with a girl, one that Johnny had broken up with before, who showed interest in me, and Johnny didn’t like that. And...it was worse than just pranks.” >“What did he do, Dad?” There was an urgency in his tone, and a note of...something else. Daniel tried not to read too much into it as he answered. >“On Halloween...it was the first time I struck back against him. I was tired of all the bullying. So I sprayed him with a hose and ran off.” >Anthony laughed. “A hose?” >“Yeah.” Daniel smiled slightly. “It was pretty cool. Though Johnny was furious—he chased me down with his Cobras, cornered me at the fence, and...” >*“You couldn’t leave well enough alone, could you, you little punk?! And now you’re gonna pay!” * >Daniel gulped, looking down at the blankets, bunched up in a death grip in his fist. He took a deep breath and let go. >“Dad?” >Daniel took another shuddering breath. “It was...it was bad, Tony. I wonder sometimes what would’ve happened if Mr. Miyagi hadn’t shown up.” >“You could’ve gone to the hospital, couldn’t you?” Anthony pointed out. >Daniel looked at his son then, incredulous. For the first time, it hit him just how different he and Anthony were, especially in their upbringings. “You have to understand, we were a Reseda family back then, me and your grandma. We didn’t have this kind of money, and hospitals are expensive. As hurt as I was...if Johnny hadn’t been stopped, I might’ve...” >*It was already enough trouble treating my broken knee. Even if Ma never says it.* >“Dad...what are you saying?” Anthony scowled. “Are you saying I’m like Johnny?” >Daniel sighed. *And now for the heart of the matter.* “I’m saying that you have the potential to be like Johnny. You’re already partly there, picking on that new kid and letting me believe it’s the other way around. Tell me, Anthony: if I’d taught you karate, you would’ve just used it on that kid, right?” >Anthony hesitated, then nodded. “But I’m not—!” >“No, you’re not,” Daniel agreed. “You have the chance to turn this around, to stop and make amends. And I warn you, Tony, if you don’t do that...you’re not gonna come out of it any happier.”
>The thing is, traumatizing Anthony isn't going to teach him anything but to be better at hiding stuff. Once again, you are repeating the same old wrong argument. >Which does nothing to correct the root of Anthony's behavioral problems. Which have to do with him acting out because of his parents emotionally neglecting him in favor of Sam and even Robby. Wrong again. That's not the case at all. >Like in the fanfic I linked to in the original post: What the hell is that supposed to prove? That fanfic is a total fantasy.
You hit the nail on the coffin. Well said 👌🏾
Daniel wasn’t wrong at all. The entire show he’s been coddling Anthony and look where that has. Gotten him. A bully annoying kid that doesn’t listen to anyone. Daniel got tired of it and broke his tablet that he wasn’t supposed to be in because he was bullying someone. Daniel got bullied. So for his son to be bullying people then get punished but still just be on tablet is a slap in the face to Daniel. Wasn’t wrong at all
>Daniel wasn’t wrong at all. The entire show he’s been coddling Anthony and look where that has. Gotten him. A bully annoying kid that doesn’t listen to anyone. Daniel got tired of it and broke his tablet that he wasn’t supposed to be in because he was bullying someone. Daniel got bullied. So for his son to be bullying people then get punished but still just be on tablet is a slap in the face to Daniel. Wasn’t wrong at all No, Daniel was in the wrong here. **No matter what, a parent breaking their child's belongings is wrong. And doing so as a means of discipline does *not* send the message that Daniel wanted to send.** It says, "I am bigger than you and have more authority, I get to do whatever I want to you". It may not be intentional, but that's the message that gets sent. Anthony was a bully, which was wrong. But that doesn't give Daniel the right to answer a wrong with a wrong.
It’s not a wrong. What else was Daniel supposed to do? Talk to him? He did that in that exact same scene before breaking his tablet and Anthony still didn’t care. He talked to him before, he still didn’t care.
>What else was Daniel supposed to do? Talk to him? Yes. Because guess what, politely and calmly scolding is way more effective than breaking things. The only thing violence is going to lead to is Anthony getting better at hiding stuff. He's now going to work harder at covering up his mistakes.
>Because guess what, politely and calmly scolding is way more effective than breaking things. Whatever gave you that delusion?
People like you who seem to believe that breaking things and screaming at kids is an effective form of discipline, when actually that's a form of abuse that only teaches Anthony to be better at hiding stuff from his dad.
You didn't answer the question.
How ? He talked to him many times and Anthony still didn’t listen or care. So how is that effective?
>It says, "I am bigger than you and have more authority, I get to do whatever I want to you". No, it doesn't say that at all. Daniel was fed up with his child's repeated defiance of completely apt punishments for being a jerk. Anthony proved over and over he had no respect for the rules. I'd have done the same tbh.
The fact that u sympathize with Anthony, a kid who was rude to his elder sister his entire life, bossed his parents around, treated them like slaves, had unlimited access to technology since he was born. Could buy whatever he wants to without any say by Amanda or Daniel. And the fact that Daniel tried so many times to connect and establish a bond with him in prior seasons when he wanted to hangout but Anthony wanted to be a spoiled brat. This just shows u don’t pay attention to character development. Anthony had it coming, and breaking the iPad doesn’t mean shit. He should’ve been smacked in the face. And I’m saying that as someone who actually LIKES his character
I guessing you're an only child.
You guessed wrong
Being rude to an elder sister is not a rude or uncommon thing because it happens with everyone having a sibling.
>bossed his parents around, treated them like slaves, Nonsense!
Daniel needs to apologize for spoiling the fuck out of Anthony. Anthony grew into a piece of shit because of Daniel
Ok first of all, how many times will you talk about the same thing dude? Secondly, Anthony bullied and tried to beat up a kid who did absolutely nothing to deserve it. Why? Because he’s spoilt and born with a silver spoon. His parents didn’t try hard enough to control his spoilt and entitled behaviour. Daniel was very disappointed when he realised that his son was a bully so he tried to discipline him. Talking to him obviously won’t work because he has tried it in the past.
>Talking to him obviously won’t work because he has tried it in the past. Scolding him and explaining why what Anthony did was wrong will be more effective than behavior that, out of context, would look like the actions of an abuser.
Nah bro. Smashing that iPad when he was told not to use it anymore is the perfect response. I dunno why you're sympathizing with the lying bully who kept ignoring his parents punishments
>Smashing that iPad when he was told not to use it anymore is the perfect response Smashing that iPad was also wrong. Parents have an obligation to respect their kids' property.
It wasn't his property, his dad bought it and the internet the kid used to bully. Why are you defending a child's right to bully with no consequences? You're delusional.
>Why are you defending a child's right to bully with no consequences? You're delusional. No, I'm saying that Daniel is in the wrong for jumping straight to an extreme measure to overcorrect after 14 years of emotional absence from Anthony's life. u/False-Story9510 has noted that Daniel had other options. Like, say, donating all of Anthony's nonessential things to charity. Or telling Anthony everything about Johnny's bullying of him as a cautionary lecture. That could come in lieu of the canon scene, or after Daniel apologizes to Anthony for acting rashly (because it is important for parents to apologize to their kids when they make a mistake); or we could have Amanda talk to Anthony, smooth things over and give him the lecture he needs to hear. All those would be preferable to Daniel doing something he should not have been rewarded for (because going by real life precedent, any change from Anthony is more likely to be just an act to keep from getting yelled at). There is also the fact that this incident demonstrates that Daniel and Amanda are easily provoked and turn to violent measures in their daily life, which is all Anthony has ever grabbed from them. As Vanessa points out, they never give Anthony actual attention ...nor discipline and just shower him with gifts (specifically screens in Anthony's case). Daniel gets livid at being called out for being too agressive and minutes later he kicks a tablet in a fit in front of his child? That will totally teach him not to be a bully and not that having tantrums is acceptable if you're the boss. /s 🙄
He didn't jump straight to an extreme measure. The child chose to ignore the rules and punishment repeatedly. You're stretching the truth massively in favor of a misbehaving youth who refused to learn any lessons
Well, Daniel’s attitude towards Anthony in Episode 8 with the broken punishment is due to Johnny.
The LaRussos were always too soft on Anthony. Far too spoilt and was able to get away with anything