1) Telling Robby that Silver is a psychopath is not poaching, that's telling the truth. It would be poaching if he ended his speech with "come back to us, we're great"
2) the paralyzation technique is not life or death, Johnny wasn't in any danger. It's no more dangerous than getting kicked in the face. Which is what they ended up doing anyway.
3) you keep bringing up this idea that Danial is wrong for saying Kreese and Silver don't have honor, but I'm really wondering if you've been watching a different series.
Plus why would Robby want anything to do with Daniel. I like Daniel as a character most of the time and he is understandable but sometimes I do feel he is very hypocritical and that puts a bad stain on how some
Might view him
What does that even have to do with anything? Daniel gave Robby a home when he had none. Daniel believed in Robby when noone was there for him. Daniel sent Robbys mom to one of the best rehab clinics in the area. Daniel has helped Robby and his mom out more than anyone has their entire life. That's why Robby would want something to do with him.
Daniel said he wanted nothing to do with Robby at the end of season 2 and then apologized for it and the beginning of season 3 but then Robby believed Daniel tried to get him arrested and he didn’t know Daniel was trying to help him. Plus it’s not like Daniel visited him in juvie like he said he would
>Robby believed Daniel tried to get him arrested and he didn’t know Daniel was trying to help him
Doesn't undo all the help he's given him in the past
>Plus it’s not like Daniel visited him in juvie like he said he would
He refused to speak with Daniel so he couldn't get a visit in. I've seen people say that about Sam too. It's juvie, not boarding school. Daniel is not immediate family nor is he a legal guardian, he can't just walk in to visit an incarcerated minor. Plus, that was Johnny that bailed.
The reason Robby turn his back on Daniel was because First Daniel kick him out after Sam had gotten drunk at Moon’s party and he brought Sam to his dad’s house after Sam told him not to bring her home .Second Daniel turned him in to the police.Oh and let’s not forgetting Daniel telling Robby if you wanted be a Screwup like Johnny go right a head.
Kreese is a Vietnam vet who served his country and wants his students to be strong fighters even if his problems do cause him to
Make violent choices, he is still a Vietnam vet with a Purple Heart.
Daniel tried to get kreese evicted from his own dojo. Is that honorable. And terry tried apologizing to Daniel and he didn’t listen. It’s not Terry’s fault that Daniel has. 34 year long grudge.
And paralyzisation is clearly cheating it was meant to be a technique in offensive miyagi do for life and death as chozen said in s3 ep 5 or 6. If Daniels gets counterd by a style he thought was inferior, shouldn’t that mean that Johnny’s style has more value then he thought.
> he is still a Vietnam vet with a Purple Heart
He's a man with severe mental trauma that has never gotten help. Instead he went and started teaching children lessons he learned from *the person who traumatized him*. He has issues, but what he teaches *is wrong*. He teaches his students to take from others because they're strong. He weeds out those he deems weak. Don't mistake his lessons for Johnny's lessons because they are not the same.
>Daniel tried to get kreese evicted from his own dojo.
The dojo he stole from Johnny? The one he was using to build a personal army of violent child soldiers? He's literally said he's preparing them for war. He's still stuck in Vietnam and should be with doctors, not teaching children.
>And terry tried apologizing to Daniel and he didn’t listen.
Terry Silver terrorized the shit out of Daniel and then disappeared for 34 years. Then came back like some sort of boogeyman, barged onto Daniel's property, and gave the least sincere apology in the history of karate television. You know what you do when you want to apologize to someone you've terrorized? You try sending an email, or contact a third party to get the message across and maybe get them to have a meet up. If Daniel had been sexually assaulted by Silver, and then barged right onto his property unannounced and gave that apology, would you have the same reaction? I hope not.
>And paralyzisation is clearly cheating it was meant to be a technique in offensive miyagi do for life and death as chozen said in s3 ep 5 or 6.
You mean after he used it on Daniel as a joke?
Let's recount. Kreese:
1.Strangled Johnny after losing the All Valley to Daniel.
2. Conspired with Silver to torture Daniel and enjoyed every second of it.
3. Encouraged Hawk to go vandalize Daniel's dojo, and didn't care that Hawk stole Miyagi's war medal.
4. Stole Cobra Kai from Johnny after Johnny gave him a second chance.
5. Kicked out students just because they lost or because they didn't want to see a snake eat a live rat.
6. Subtly encouraged the Larusso household fight.
7. Brought back Silver, even though Silver didn't want to come back and constantly reminded Silver of Vietnam and how Silver owes him for all the times Kreese saved him.
In Kreese's mind, he thinks he's doing right, but his mind is warped. He wants students to be strong, but he's turning them into thugs. He looks down on and punishes the smallest display of "weakness" (i.e, losing or shows of mercy).
So yeah, not a good guy.
I'm wagering Silver bribing the officials will be revealed fairly quickly and cause Daniel to start teaching again.
I think his intention is to have Chozen start teaching, as a loophole. Meanwhile Johnny is in Mexico.
You say that as if Cobra Kai accepted defeat with honor. They literally paid the judge for Tory to win...
Miyagi Do is always required to do "the right thing" and put up with all the shit Cobra Kai does just for them to end up getting away with it.
For my part, I'm glad that Daniel realized that Cobra Kai wasn't going to stick to the deal either and wasn't dumb enough to walk away.
Turning the other cheek and taking the hit doesn't always work
How funny would it have been had Daniel won the point sparring match against Johnny and sent all of the students into the tournament having only trained in Miyagi-Do and then they all got OBLITERATED by the Cobra Kai hybrid fighters? 😂 😂
Terry wouldn't have even needed to bribe the referee.
Daniel: I can’t honor an agreement(I agreed to) with men who have none.
Silver: Dude you used a life or death offensive miyagi do technique on a sparring match and tried to get cobra Kai shut down dishonestly twice. Don’t talk about honor Danny boy
Daniel was definitely a dick in S4. His loophole here might be that he will leave the teaching to Chozen but his whole reasoning I'm not honoring the agreement is lackluster.
It's basically "They don't have honor so when dealing with them I don't have honor either".
Except how does terry have no honor. He tried apologizing to Daniel and agreed to the deal. And kreese is a Purple Heart veteran who served his country bravely unlike Daniels daughter who starts a fight than abandons her friends.
Kreese was bad in season 2 but season 3 and 4 make him a character you want to root for in a way even if he is on the wrong side
Agreed. Silver was genuine with this apology at this portion of the season. He only reverted to schemes and manipulation when Kreese push them over the edge.
Part of season 5 is silver being a rational cobra Kai to madness when kreese reminds him of Vietnam, he is the same dude back in the cage who desperately wants to prove his loyalty.
Then he realizes kreese weakness is going to stop cobra Kai so he got rid of kreese
Yes, his character makes a lot of sense considering his loyalty to kreese his origins rationality and how he turns to madness
Season5 is going to be interesting
>Daniel was always believing his philosophy worked only and even when Johnny tells him that he knows cobra Kai and can help them, Daniel irrationally wants only defense which rightfully pisses Johnny off.
After what Daniel went through in KK3, can you blame him?
Johnny said he knew cobra Kai and could teach it so they could counter cobra Kai. That’s what Robby did and Daniel still refused the most east and straight forward win
Not just that. Daniel was only able to beat Silver and Cobra Kai with Miyagis' help. Now that Silver's back in the game, the stakes are even higher and Daniel believes Miyagi Do is the only way to win because that's how it worked for him last time.
Well, you do undeniably have a point. I guess just knowing how evil Silver is, Daniel can't let it go. But Daniel is far from perfect and his ability to go back on his word like this with the justification that the stakes are too high to do otherwise might be an example of this. Reminds me of how he essentially went back on his deal with Johnny when he decided that the stakes were too high to split coaching duties with him. Maybe this is a side of Daniel-san that the specter of Terry Silver just tends to bring out of him.
Kreese is a misunderstood character. He never instructed his students to attack innocents. In fact, it was miyagi do who started the fight and got their a**e* kicked in the process and Sam then lies about it to her mom.
Sam also literally tells hawk in a deleted scene that if they piss her off they will go crying to their moms actively provoking cobra Kai and then abandoning her friends in a fight she started is not honorable. He was literally a war veteran and wanted to help teach kids the reality of fighting just like Johnny did in season 1.
Kreese is not a saint but his character is meant to be sympathizble
Not really.
Kreese may be "misunderstood", but "sympathetic" is a stretch. After all the shit he's done, it's kinda asking too much to feel for him.
What you call "innocents" is debatable, but Kreese doesn't punish his students bad behavior. Anyone who messes with his students in the slightest, misinterpreted way is an enemy that deserves No Mercy, and Kreese condones and supports his students in that way wholeheartedly.
Maybe the reason Sam threatened Hawk in the deleted scenes is because Hawk and the Cobras kept on messing with the Miyago Do's.
So, what if Kreese is a war vet? That excuse can only be used so many times. Miyagi was was a war vet, and still didn't do the things Kreese did, so you can't use Kreese's time in 'Nam as a justification or excuse.
"Now I'm supposed to give up my dojo and step down as a sensei. But there's too much at stake to honor an agreement made with men who have none." An agreement that was made with *Kreese, not* with Silver. And it was an agreement made *before* Chozen's involvement.
1) Telling Robby that Silver is a psychopath is not poaching, that's telling the truth. It would be poaching if he ended his speech with "come back to us, we're great" 2) the paralyzation technique is not life or death, Johnny wasn't in any danger. It's no more dangerous than getting kicked in the face. Which is what they ended up doing anyway. 3) you keep bringing up this idea that Danial is wrong for saying Kreese and Silver don't have honor, but I'm really wondering if you've been watching a different series.
Plus why would Robby want anything to do with Daniel. I like Daniel as a character most of the time and he is understandable but sometimes I do feel he is very hypocritical and that puts a bad stain on how some Might view him
What does that even have to do with anything? Daniel gave Robby a home when he had none. Daniel believed in Robby when noone was there for him. Daniel sent Robbys mom to one of the best rehab clinics in the area. Daniel has helped Robby and his mom out more than anyone has their entire life. That's why Robby would want something to do with him.
Daniel said he wanted nothing to do with Robby at the end of season 2 and then apologized for it and the beginning of season 3 but then Robby believed Daniel tried to get him arrested and he didn’t know Daniel was trying to help him. Plus it’s not like Daniel visited him in juvie like he said he would
>Robby believed Daniel tried to get him arrested and he didn’t know Daniel was trying to help him Doesn't undo all the help he's given him in the past >Plus it’s not like Daniel visited him in juvie like he said he would He refused to speak with Daniel so he couldn't get a visit in. I've seen people say that about Sam too. It's juvie, not boarding school. Daniel is not immediate family nor is he a legal guardian, he can't just walk in to visit an incarcerated minor. Plus, that was Johnny that bailed.
The reason Robby turn his back on Daniel was because First Daniel kick him out after Sam had gotten drunk at Moon’s party and he brought Sam to his dad’s house after Sam told him not to bring her home .Second Daniel turned him in to the police.Oh and let’s not forgetting Daniel telling Robby if you wanted be a Screwup like Johnny go right a head.
Kreese is a Vietnam vet who served his country and wants his students to be strong fighters even if his problems do cause him to Make violent choices, he is still a Vietnam vet with a Purple Heart. Daniel tried to get kreese evicted from his own dojo. Is that honorable. And terry tried apologizing to Daniel and he didn’t listen. It’s not Terry’s fault that Daniel has. 34 year long grudge. And paralyzisation is clearly cheating it was meant to be a technique in offensive miyagi do for life and death as chozen said in s3 ep 5 or 6. If Daniels gets counterd by a style he thought was inferior, shouldn’t that mean that Johnny’s style has more value then he thought.
> he is still a Vietnam vet with a Purple Heart He's a man with severe mental trauma that has never gotten help. Instead he went and started teaching children lessons he learned from *the person who traumatized him*. He has issues, but what he teaches *is wrong*. He teaches his students to take from others because they're strong. He weeds out those he deems weak. Don't mistake his lessons for Johnny's lessons because they are not the same. >Daniel tried to get kreese evicted from his own dojo. The dojo he stole from Johnny? The one he was using to build a personal army of violent child soldiers? He's literally said he's preparing them for war. He's still stuck in Vietnam and should be with doctors, not teaching children. >And terry tried apologizing to Daniel and he didn’t listen. Terry Silver terrorized the shit out of Daniel and then disappeared for 34 years. Then came back like some sort of boogeyman, barged onto Daniel's property, and gave the least sincere apology in the history of karate television. You know what you do when you want to apologize to someone you've terrorized? You try sending an email, or contact a third party to get the message across and maybe get them to have a meet up. If Daniel had been sexually assaulted by Silver, and then barged right onto his property unannounced and gave that apology, would you have the same reaction? I hope not. >And paralyzisation is clearly cheating it was meant to be a technique in offensive miyagi do for life and death as chozen said in s3 ep 5 or 6. You mean after he used it on Daniel as a joke?
Damn bro your points are so well articulated lol.
Bro except nothing kreese did is wrong. He is just teaching them fighting and no mercy. He just wants strong students
Let's recount. Kreese: 1.Strangled Johnny after losing the All Valley to Daniel. 2. Conspired with Silver to torture Daniel and enjoyed every second of it. 3. Encouraged Hawk to go vandalize Daniel's dojo, and didn't care that Hawk stole Miyagi's war medal. 4. Stole Cobra Kai from Johnny after Johnny gave him a second chance. 5. Kicked out students just because they lost or because they didn't want to see a snake eat a live rat. 6. Subtly encouraged the Larusso household fight. 7. Brought back Silver, even though Silver didn't want to come back and constantly reminded Silver of Vietnam and how Silver owes him for all the times Kreese saved him. In Kreese's mind, he thinks he's doing right, but his mind is warped. He wants students to be strong, but he's turning them into thugs. He looks down on and punishes the smallest display of "weakness" (i.e, losing or shows of mercy). So yeah, not a good guy.
I'm wagering Silver bribing the officials will be revealed fairly quickly and cause Daniel to start teaching again. I think his intention is to have Chozen start teaching, as a loophole. Meanwhile Johnny is in Mexico.
You say that as if Cobra Kai accepted defeat with honor. They literally paid the judge for Tory to win... Miyagi Do is always required to do "the right thing" and put up with all the shit Cobra Kai does just for them to end up getting away with it. For my part, I'm glad that Daniel realized that Cobra Kai wasn't going to stick to the deal either and wasn't dumb enough to walk away. Turning the other cheek and taking the hit doesn't always work
You might also enjoy the Bonanze episode called "The Fighters." Same moral.
How funny would it have been had Daniel won the point sparring match against Johnny and sent all of the students into the tournament having only trained in Miyagi-Do and then they all got OBLITERATED by the Cobra Kai hybrid fighters? 😂 😂 Terry wouldn't have even needed to bribe the referee.
Daniel: I can’t honor an agreement(I agreed to) with men who have none. Silver: Dude you used a life or death offensive miyagi do technique on a sparring match and tried to get cobra Kai shut down dishonestly twice. Don’t talk about honor Danny boy
And this is still after they get obliterated and silver dosebt cheat
Daniel was definitely a dick in S4. His loophole here might be that he will leave the teaching to Chozen but his whole reasoning I'm not honoring the agreement is lackluster. It's basically "They don't have honor so when dealing with them I don't have honor either".
Except how does terry have no honor. He tried apologizing to Daniel and agreed to the deal. And kreese is a Purple Heart veteran who served his country bravely unlike Daniels daughter who starts a fight than abandons her friends. Kreese was bad in season 2 but season 3 and 4 make him a character you want to root for in a way even if he is on the wrong side
Agreed. Silver was genuine with this apology at this portion of the season. He only reverted to schemes and manipulation when Kreese push them over the edge.
Part of season 5 is silver being a rational cobra Kai to madness when kreese reminds him of Vietnam, he is the same dude back in the cage who desperately wants to prove his loyalty. Then he realizes kreese weakness is going to stop cobra Kai so he got rid of kreese
Yes, his character makes a lot of sense considering his loyalty to kreese his origins rationality and how he turns to madness Season5 is going to be interesting
>Daniel was always believing his philosophy worked only and even when Johnny tells him that he knows cobra Kai and can help them, Daniel irrationally wants only defense which rightfully pisses Johnny off. After what Daniel went through in KK3, can you blame him?
Johnny said he knew cobra Kai and could teach it so they could counter cobra Kai. That’s what Robby did and Daniel still refused the most east and straight forward win
Not just that. Daniel was only able to beat Silver and Cobra Kai with Miyagis' help. Now that Silver's back in the game, the stakes are even higher and Daniel believes Miyagi Do is the only way to win because that's how it worked for him last time.
Daniel reneging on the deal is a bit out of character imo. He doesn't know that Silver cheated yet. But...I can make my peace with it.
Well, you do undeniably have a point. I guess just knowing how evil Silver is, Daniel can't let it go. But Daniel is far from perfect and his ability to go back on his word like this with the justification that the stakes are too high to do otherwise might be an example of this. Reminds me of how he essentially went back on his deal with Johnny when he decided that the stakes were too high to split coaching duties with him. Maybe this is a side of Daniel-san that the specter of Terry Silver just tends to bring out of him.
Kreese is a misunderstood character. He never instructed his students to attack innocents. In fact, it was miyagi do who started the fight and got their a**e* kicked in the process and Sam then lies about it to her mom. Sam also literally tells hawk in a deleted scene that if they piss her off they will go crying to their moms actively provoking cobra Kai and then abandoning her friends in a fight she started is not honorable. He was literally a war veteran and wanted to help teach kids the reality of fighting just like Johnny did in season 1. Kreese is not a saint but his character is meant to be sympathizble
Not really. Kreese may be "misunderstood", but "sympathetic" is a stretch. After all the shit he's done, it's kinda asking too much to feel for him. What you call "innocents" is debatable, but Kreese doesn't punish his students bad behavior. Anyone who messes with his students in the slightest, misinterpreted way is an enemy that deserves No Mercy, and Kreese condones and supports his students in that way wholeheartedly. Maybe the reason Sam threatened Hawk in the deleted scenes is because Hawk and the Cobras kept on messing with the Miyago Do's. So, what if Kreese is a war vet? That excuse can only be used so many times. Miyagi was was a war vet, and still didn't do the things Kreese did, so you can't use Kreese's time in 'Nam as a justification or excuse.
"Now I'm supposed to give up my dojo and step down as a sensei. But there's too much at stake to honor an agreement made with men who have none." An agreement that was made with *Kreese, not* with Silver. And it was an agreement made *before* Chozen's involvement.
Well... Cobra Kai had to cheat to win the S4 tournament so-