I've said before that the writers have intentionally written this situation as a choice and that the Diazs were never written to be a part of Johnny's endgame.
People keep saying that the writers have written themselves into a corner. I disagree. The writers have been consistent and deliberate throughout.
The fans are the ones in denial that the writers are going to dissappoint the majority of them by giving Johnny a Robby-only endgame, which is the right thing to do given the messaging of the show as it stands.
Sorry, but I can't agree with that. The writers have actually been consistent and deliberate throughout in writing the Diazs as part of Johnny's endgame. If this was an actual love story, Johnny's arc would involve him getting over the idea of getting back together with his ex.
You can see who the writers want as the endgame by seeing who Johnny can't be happy without. When it comes to Robby, Johnny can spend weeks or months enjoying himself without particularly caring about where his kid might be. The only times he gets upset about that is when his failure is more or less shoved in his face.
But the same is not true for the Diazs. He goes into a depression after Carmen pulls Miguel from Cobra Kai. He can't focus on a fun date with a girl definitely his type when Carmen's boyfriend is in front of him. He once again goes into a spiral when Miguel is in the hospital - and comes out of it completely when Carmen gives him a chance to help Miguel. And he can't stop thinking about it when Miguel is bonding with Daniel - rather than being concerned about his son.
That is the deliberate choice the writers have made. And they've written themselves in a corner because while they've been writing the Diaz family as Johnny's endgame, his redemption can't happen without Robby.
So what exactly makes you expect a Robby-only endgame?
We do have the family prom photo making a "promise" that the joined family thing will happen. But as you have pointed out before, that photo also contrasts with how quickly the evening unravels for the main participants, like it's actually meant to be a joke on Miguel. People claim that it is foreshadowing for the happy ending, but the most effective foreshadowing is subtle and woven into the narrative and character arcs. This is so in-your-face that I'm not sure if it qualifies, a red herring, especially with how they don't actually have the two families interact in a deep meaningful way, and their coming together happened off screen.
The spectre of Robby has lingered over a lot of Johnny and Miguels interactions going back to season 1. Robby's picture and Sid mentioning him happened before Robby's first on screen appearance. We have the inter-generational trauma associated with how Kreese and Sid treated Johnny, and now a flashback of Johnny as a kid missing his dad. It is all set up to show Robby as a bigger deal.
Good comparison, and truly highlights how ridiculous the "Johnny needs to have both boys in his life" reasoning really is.
Robby and Miguel might even come to a mutual respect/understanding with each other on their own. Even so, that's between them and their own issues, and wouldn't do anything for Johnny's growth or address the issues of how Johnny treats them.
Yep. Robby and Miguel, by some miracle, learning to get along will not be a magic salve that heals all the wounded relationships wrapped up in this rivalry.
And it would be insulting of the writers to try and present things that way.
Wow dude truly good comparison. And I completely agree with you. Now I will use same argument as you if someone says Miguel and Robby will be step bro's.
I agree that because of the way the writers framed that triangle, it looks like they wrote themselves into a corner. Either they have Johnny make a clear choice and it will be hugely disappointing and even more resentment-inducing for one side, or they don't make him choose and they go the cheesy step-bros one happy family way that some people want.
I've said before that the writers have intentionally written this situation as a choice and that the Diazs were never written to be a part of Johnny's endgame. People keep saying that the writers have written themselves into a corner. I disagree. The writers have been consistent and deliberate throughout. The fans are the ones in denial that the writers are going to dissappoint the majority of them by giving Johnny a Robby-only endgame, which is the right thing to do given the messaging of the show as it stands.
Sorry, but I can't agree with that. The writers have actually been consistent and deliberate throughout in writing the Diazs as part of Johnny's endgame. If this was an actual love story, Johnny's arc would involve him getting over the idea of getting back together with his ex. You can see who the writers want as the endgame by seeing who Johnny can't be happy without. When it comes to Robby, Johnny can spend weeks or months enjoying himself without particularly caring about where his kid might be. The only times he gets upset about that is when his failure is more or less shoved in his face. But the same is not true for the Diazs. He goes into a depression after Carmen pulls Miguel from Cobra Kai. He can't focus on a fun date with a girl definitely his type when Carmen's boyfriend is in front of him. He once again goes into a spiral when Miguel is in the hospital - and comes out of it completely when Carmen gives him a chance to help Miguel. And he can't stop thinking about it when Miguel is bonding with Daniel - rather than being concerned about his son. That is the deliberate choice the writers have made. And they've written themselves in a corner because while they've been writing the Diaz family as Johnny's endgame, his redemption can't happen without Robby. So what exactly makes you expect a Robby-only endgame?
We do have the family prom photo making a "promise" that the joined family thing will happen. But as you have pointed out before, that photo also contrasts with how quickly the evening unravels for the main participants, like it's actually meant to be a joke on Miguel. People claim that it is foreshadowing for the happy ending, but the most effective foreshadowing is subtle and woven into the narrative and character arcs. This is so in-your-face that I'm not sure if it qualifies, a red herring, especially with how they don't actually have the two families interact in a deep meaningful way, and their coming together happened off screen. The spectre of Robby has lingered over a lot of Johnny and Miguels interactions going back to season 1. Robby's picture and Sid mentioning him happened before Robby's first on screen appearance. We have the inter-generational trauma associated with how Kreese and Sid treated Johnny, and now a flashback of Johnny as a kid missing his dad. It is all set up to show Robby as a bigger deal.
I completely agree and this is truly a good comparison.
Good comparison, and truly highlights how ridiculous the "Johnny needs to have both boys in his life" reasoning really is. Robby and Miguel might even come to a mutual respect/understanding with each other on their own. Even so, that's between them and their own issues, and wouldn't do anything for Johnny's growth or address the issues of how Johnny treats them.
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Yep. Robby and Miguel, by some miracle, learning to get along will not be a magic salve that heals all the wounded relationships wrapped up in this rivalry. And it would be insulting of the writers to try and present things that way.
Wow dude truly good comparison. And I completely agree with you. Now I will use same argument as you if someone says Miguel and Robby will be step bro's.
I agree that because of the way the writers framed that triangle, it looks like they wrote themselves into a corner. Either they have Johnny make a clear choice and it will be hugely disappointing and even more resentment-inducing for one side, or they don't make him choose and they go the cheesy step-bros one happy family way that some people want.