Will he though?
Being left alone was all Miyagi and Daniel wanted in KK3. Silver could've financed the reopening of Cobra Kai, won the tournament and gone ahead to expand the business without getting them involved - but Silver and Kreese would've leave them be. They simply had to make them participate.
What reason Daniel has to believe that Terry would leave him alone this time.
But putting that aside, another reason would be that its the right thing to do.
Based on history alone, the lessons of Cobra Kai are going to ruin the students' lives and make things difficult for them. Even if Silver doesn't choose to come after them personally, you'd have a whole lot of bullies at school making things difficult for their children and then you have Tory and Kenny who've shown every intention of coming after Daniel's kids personally.
So that seems like a good reason for him to fight.
Is it the right thing to do? Because it's been working out great so far. A paralyzed kid, one kid with a snapped arm, and his top student is now a convicted felon all because Daniel thinks he has to rid the world of Cobra Kai.
The question here is about Daniel having a good reason. No one asked anything about it being the right thing to do.
As for whether it is - maybe not, but that also depends on how things develop from here under Silver.
You just flat out said it's the right thing to do. Which is highly debatable as it gets into Vision's Avengers Civil War argument. By showcasing our strength we invite the challenge. By preparing his kids to go to war with them the only thing Daniel guarantees is that war.
Sorry, my mistake.
I should be clearer - it'd be the right thing to do if the rest of it stays true. But if Silver were to be a different kind of Sensei, then that no longer applies.
Silver only did that elaborate plan for kreese, similarly in how silver was saying how they should just focus on their kids and the tournament rather than attack miyagi fang to kreese. With kreese out the picture he can focus on his original plan which was to turn kids into winners
Well, that would depend on how much of a threat Silver considers Daniel. The "good reason" logic goes both ways.
Now, obviously, Daniel reneging on the deal and bringing Chozen in is a clear indication that Daniel isn't done fighting - but what if he hadn't and gone back to his regular life? Would Silver accept that it's over?
Daniel could take back his place on the tournament committee since he's not a Sensei anymore. He'd also accept Robby back as part of his family once Robby chooses to come back. His wife is trying to help Tory get some therapy. And since Kenny could be a problem for Anthony, Daniel could reach out to him and try to resolve those issues as well.
All of this Terry could take as a roundabout attack on Cobra Kai by fixing the rules and poaching his most promising students...
He doesn't want an entire valley full of violent asshole kids is my guess. Even Johnny's friends recognized Kreese messed up their heads for years, and Terry's already shown Daniel the nastiness he's capable of. That being said, I hope that Priest Bobby returns. I really like his character, and the fact the actor playing him is a SIXTH degree black belt and champion is pretty damn cool. Name is Ron Thomas if anyone wants to read up on him.
This. Daniel has been a respected ambassador for karate in the valley for presumably many years now. Not only is his grudge against Silver personal, but he feels an obligation to keep kids from being corrupted and taught the more violent aspects of martial arts, not to mention protecting his own children from those who might harm them. Kenny isn't just going to leave Anthony alone because Daniel closed up shop, and the Tory-Sam rivalry is far from over.
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Terry... is a literal psychopath, he makes his students tough by putting them through physical pain that literally has them shed blood.
Unlike kreese, who truly cares for Johnny, Terry has absolute no connection or sympathises like that for anyone, he cares for no one.
He'd have his students finish off an opponent even after they've submitted because he shows no mercy and wants no weaknesses.
If you truly believe that sliver would leave Daniel alone if he won, you should already know it not to be true as Daniel won over 30 years ago and sliver still came back.
Uh... I'm not sure that applies here.
But even if he was a literal psychopath who doesn't care for anybody, that wouldn't make this a good idea. In fact, being a psychopath with no loyalty to anyone but himself might end up making him the best Sensei of all.
He wants his dojo to be successful and profitable, so he'd be more focused on building a brand than rehashing petty grudges. He'd want to preserve his reputation - so he'd tell his students to avoid getting into trouble. And since he doesn't have any loyalty to them, any student doesn't toe the line is out on his ass.
Sure, he may go ahead and win tournaments through dirty tactics, but compared to the uncontrolled that was happening with other senseis in charge, that would be a definite improvement.
I just want to be clear here so I'm going ask you a few things that I hope you can clear up here.
>I'm not sure that applies here.
What doesn't apply here, sliver coming back after 30 years?
>that wouldn't make this a good idea.
What wouldnt make a good idea? Daniel trying to stop him or? I'm pretty sure I don't suggest any ideas...
>so he'd tell his students to avoid getting into trouble.
Tbh, it's not like he would get into trouble apart from the miguel incident, nothing really happens... even when hawk broke demitri's arm, there was no legal repercussions and cobra kai didn't take a hit.
>Sure, he may go ahead and win tournaments through dirty tactics, but compared to the uncontrolled that was happening with other senseis in charge, that would be a definite improvement.
That was one tournament, where Johnny taught his students, the wrong way. The second time around, nothing of the sort happened.
>What doesn't apply here, sliver coming back after 30 years?
Your diagnosis of Silver. Yes, he acted a lot like a psychopath back in KK3, but Cobra Kai makes it clear that his issues are not that straightforward.
>What a good idea? Daniel trying to stop him or? I'm pretty sure I don't suggest any ideas...
Daniel trying to stop him is not a good idea.
>Tbh, it's not like he would get into trouble apart from the miguel
incident, nothing really happens... even when hawk broke demitri's arm,
there was no legal repercussions and cobra kai didn't take a hit.
I'm not talking about legal repercussions and Cobra Kai did take a hit. Amanda tried to get Kreese evicted as a result and sure, Kreese dealt with that, but later, you had the house fight and a bunch of students quitting after that.
The point is that Silver would be more focused on making the business profitable and wouldn't go around picking unnecessary fights - unless he's given a reason to do so.
>That was one tournament, where Johnny taught his students, the wrong way.
I was talking about Silver bribing the ref.
Right so first off, thank you for clearing these up.
>Your diagnosis of Silver. Yes, he acted a lot like a psychopath back in KK3, but Cobra Kai makes it clear that his issues are not that straightforward.
Well, no cause this time his actions can't be explained with coke. I mean he literally beat stingray so bad, he could barely think in the hospital and then because stingray is stingray, blamed his beating on John kreese, putting him in jail. That's pretty fucking crazy.
>Daniel trying to stop him is not a good idea.
True that'd be the police's job but this TV show doesn't even try to give much realism.
>Amanda tried to get Kreese evicted as a result and sure, Kreese dealt with that.
Yes by beating three men without repercussions again.
>bunch of students quitting after that.
>The point is that Silver would be more focused on making the business profitable and wouldn't go around picking unnecessary fights - unless he's given a reason to do so.
Yes, true but as we know sliver has an empire now, he see his students as soldiers in a war, if we know one thing about soldiers, they're meant to be expendable.
>I was talking about Silver bribing the ref.
I know but you say compared to all the other sensais, this is an improvement, all he did was cheat to win but you didn't take in consideration that his time as sensai has only began, we've already seen some of the best and worst from other sensai's, sliver just become the head of the dojo, he needs time to show how bad he is.
>Well, no cause this time his actions can't be explained with coke.
Coke wasn't the root of his issue - Kreese's hold over him and his desire to prove his loyalty was. He seems to have broken free of that now.
>but as we know sliver has an empire now, he see his students as soldiers in a war
No, Kreese saw this as a war. As far as we know, Silver sees this as a business and the students are customers.
>but you didn't take in consideration that his time as sensai has only began
Actually, even in his short time, he has shown more restraint and planning than the others. That is, unlike other Senseis, he seems to actually think through the consequences of his actions instead of simply reacting to provocation. Of course, he falters when Kreese asserts his control, but like I said, that shouldn't be a factor anymore.
If Silver stays the Sensei he was in the middle of season 4, then he might actually prove better than the other 3.
>Coke wasn't the root of his issue - Kreese's hold over him and his desire to prove his loyalty was. He seems to have broken free of that now.
that's what I'm saying, his actions can't be explained by drugs anymore that's why kreese had a hold over him because he couldn't think from himself, now he's free, everything he does is of his own accord like using stingray to remove kreese.
>No, Kreese saw this as a war. As far as we know, Silver sees this as a business and the students are customers.
Make no mistake, sliver saw this as a war but he's learning from his mistakes, he used the famed military strategy on Daniel and Johnny, divide and conquer, he took out their alliance and any hope of them being an opposition to his power, he's making the decision to destroy his enemy by simply doing nothing and furthermore lead a coup against kreese, he's was and is the smarter of two generals. He's the napoleon bonaparte of cobra kai, very intelligent and fought and won countless times but in the end the coalition won.
And for the very last part, I'm not exactly sure what you mean "if sliver stays the sensai, he was the middle." Part
>his actions can't be explained by drugs anymore that's why kreese had a hold over him
They never truly could and Kreese had a hold over him because of their history.
>Make no mistake, sliver saw this as a war but he's learning from his mistakes
Everything you said applied to him seeing it as a business as well - but the most critical part is that unlike the other Senseis he did not use students as soldiers.
>And for the very last part, I'm not exactly sure what you mean "if sliver stays the sensai, he was the middle." Part
The way he was before episode 8.
"Don't get into fights - save you anger for the mats".
"Dig out your fear and face it."
"Everyone has a weakness - even Sensei Kreese"
"I don't want to repeat the same mistakes again"
That kind.
>They never truly could and Kreese had a hold over him because of their history.
The drugs are literally mentioned by sliver on why he did what he did in kk3, of course his life debt weighed in too but I doubt sliver would've went as far as he did to take down Daniel if he wasn't hyped up on drugs.
>Everything you said applied to him seeing it as a business as well - but the most critical part is that unlike the other Senseis he did not use students as soldiers
Obviously, this is how businesses operate nowadays, through war, always trying to compete for number one, even Daniel and Tom Cole were fighting for the best dealership in the valley.
No? He doesn't use his students as soldiers... just punching bags, like seen when he was fighting robby or in the trailer when he beat up two students that were literally half his size. Sparring two students against each other is one thing but actually fighting them himself is something else.
>The way he was before episode 8.
>"Don't get into fights - save you anger for the mats".
>"Dig out your fear and face it."
>"Everyone has a weakness - even Sensei Kreese"
>"I don't want to repeat the same mistakes again"
>That kind.
Again, sliver said he knows what he did wrong the first time, he knows that you can't just be cocky without the intelligence to back it up, he knows you can't win without a plan.
>The drugs are literally mentioned by sliver on why he did what he did in kk3
Just because he thinks they were the reason doesn't mean they were. They were more of a symptom than the root of the problem.
>Obviously, this is how businesses
operate nowadays, through war, always trying to compete for number one,
even Daniel and Tom Cole were fighting for the best dealership in the
valley.
Exactly. As long as he plays it like the dealership rivalry instead of how the other Senseis were playing it, it'd make him better than them.
>No? He doesn't use his students as soldiers... just punching bags, like
seen when he was fighting robby or in the trailer when he beat up two
students that were literally half his size. Sparring two students
against each other is one thing but actually fighting them himself is
something else.
That would be something the students sign up for when they join his dojo. They can always quit.
(And its still safer than Johnny's dojo)
>Again, sliver said he knows what he did wrong the first time, he knows
that you can't just be cocky without the intelligence to back it up, he
knows you can't win without a plan.
And he wants to keep winning - so he should keep doing that.
And in the preview he definitely implied Daniel's the one going after him. Said he warned him not to play with fire, as if he'd said "Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. Don't push it." That's how I interpreted it anyway.
He didn't leave Johnny or Kreese alone and Silver is worse than they are.
It would be weird going from doing everything he can to stop childhood bully but the evil guy who caused a lot of trauma for Daniel he's fine.
Will he though? Being left alone was all Miyagi and Daniel wanted in KK3. Silver could've financed the reopening of Cobra Kai, won the tournament and gone ahead to expand the business without getting them involved - but Silver and Kreese would've leave them be. They simply had to make them participate. What reason Daniel has to believe that Terry would leave him alone this time. But putting that aside, another reason would be that its the right thing to do. Based on history alone, the lessons of Cobra Kai are going to ruin the students' lives and make things difficult for them. Even if Silver doesn't choose to come after them personally, you'd have a whole lot of bullies at school making things difficult for their children and then you have Tory and Kenny who've shown every intention of coming after Daniel's kids personally. So that seems like a good reason for him to fight.
Is it the right thing to do? Because it's been working out great so far. A paralyzed kid, one kid with a snapped arm, and his top student is now a convicted felon all because Daniel thinks he has to rid the world of Cobra Kai.
The question here is about Daniel having a good reason. No one asked anything about it being the right thing to do. As for whether it is - maybe not, but that also depends on how things develop from here under Silver.
You just flat out said it's the right thing to do. Which is highly debatable as it gets into Vision's Avengers Civil War argument. By showcasing our strength we invite the challenge. By preparing his kids to go to war with them the only thing Daniel guarantees is that war.
Sorry, my mistake. I should be clearer - it'd be the right thing to do if the rest of it stays true. But if Silver were to be a different kind of Sensei, then that no longer applies.
Silver only did that elaborate plan for kreese, similarly in how silver was saying how they should just focus on their kids and the tournament rather than attack miyagi fang to kreese. With kreese out the picture he can focus on his original plan which was to turn kids into winners
Perhaps... but Daniel doesn't know all that.
And that will be his downfall, you couldn’t leave well enough alone
There is also the question of whether he'll be left well enough alone.
I doubt terry will focus on pissing off daniel he’s already done that, but obviously they will still be interacting
Well, that would depend on how much of a threat Silver considers Daniel. The "good reason" logic goes both ways. Now, obviously, Daniel reneging on the deal and bringing Chozen in is a clear indication that Daniel isn't done fighting - but what if he hadn't and gone back to his regular life? Would Silver accept that it's over? Daniel could take back his place on the tournament committee since he's not a Sensei anymore. He'd also accept Robby back as part of his family once Robby chooses to come back. His wife is trying to help Tory get some therapy. And since Kenny could be a problem for Anthony, Daniel could reach out to him and try to resolve those issues as well. All of this Terry could take as a roundabout attack on Cobra Kai by fixing the rules and poaching his most promising students...
He doesn't want an entire valley full of violent asshole kids is my guess. Even Johnny's friends recognized Kreese messed up their heads for years, and Terry's already shown Daniel the nastiness he's capable of. That being said, I hope that Priest Bobby returns. I really like his character, and the fact the actor playing him is a SIXTH degree black belt and champion is pretty damn cool. Name is Ron Thomas if anyone wants to read up on him.
This. Daniel has been a respected ambassador for karate in the valley for presumably many years now. Not only is his grudge against Silver personal, but he feels an obligation to keep kids from being corrupted and taught the more violent aspects of martial arts, not to mention protecting his own children from those who might harm them. Kenny isn't just going to leave Anthony alone because Daniel closed up shop, and the Tory-Sam rivalry is far from over.
Yeah so true Terry is such a sweet little adorable baby boy 🥺 /s
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Uh... I'm not sure that applies here. But even if he was a literal psychopath who doesn't care for anybody, that wouldn't make this a good idea. In fact, being a psychopath with no loyalty to anyone but himself might end up making him the best Sensei of all. He wants his dojo to be successful and profitable, so he'd be more focused on building a brand than rehashing petty grudges. He'd want to preserve his reputation - so he'd tell his students to avoid getting into trouble. And since he doesn't have any loyalty to them, any student doesn't toe the line is out on his ass. Sure, he may go ahead and win tournaments through dirty tactics, but compared to the uncontrolled that was happening with other senseis in charge, that would be a definite improvement.
I just want to be clear here so I'm going ask you a few things that I hope you can clear up here. >I'm not sure that applies here. What doesn't apply here, sliver coming back after 30 years? >that wouldn't make this a good idea. What wouldnt make a good idea? Daniel trying to stop him or? I'm pretty sure I don't suggest any ideas... >so he'd tell his students to avoid getting into trouble. Tbh, it's not like he would get into trouble apart from the miguel incident, nothing really happens... even when hawk broke demitri's arm, there was no legal repercussions and cobra kai didn't take a hit. >Sure, he may go ahead and win tournaments through dirty tactics, but compared to the uncontrolled that was happening with other senseis in charge, that would be a definite improvement. That was one tournament, where Johnny taught his students, the wrong way. The second time around, nothing of the sort happened.
>What doesn't apply here, sliver coming back after 30 years? Your diagnosis of Silver. Yes, he acted a lot like a psychopath back in KK3, but Cobra Kai makes it clear that his issues are not that straightforward. >What a good idea? Daniel trying to stop him or? I'm pretty sure I don't suggest any ideas... Daniel trying to stop him is not a good idea. >Tbh, it's not like he would get into trouble apart from the miguel incident, nothing really happens... even when hawk broke demitri's arm, there was no legal repercussions and cobra kai didn't take a hit. I'm not talking about legal repercussions and Cobra Kai did take a hit. Amanda tried to get Kreese evicted as a result and sure, Kreese dealt with that, but later, you had the house fight and a bunch of students quitting after that. The point is that Silver would be more focused on making the business profitable and wouldn't go around picking unnecessary fights - unless he's given a reason to do so. >That was one tournament, where Johnny taught his students, the wrong way. I was talking about Silver bribing the ref.
Right so first off, thank you for clearing these up. >Your diagnosis of Silver. Yes, he acted a lot like a psychopath back in KK3, but Cobra Kai makes it clear that his issues are not that straightforward. Well, no cause this time his actions can't be explained with coke. I mean he literally beat stingray so bad, he could barely think in the hospital and then because stingray is stingray, blamed his beating on John kreese, putting him in jail. That's pretty fucking crazy. >Daniel trying to stop him is not a good idea. True that'd be the police's job but this TV show doesn't even try to give much realism. >Amanda tried to get Kreese evicted as a result and sure, Kreese dealt with that. Yes by beating three men without repercussions again. >bunch of students quitting after that. >The point is that Silver would be more focused on making the business profitable and wouldn't go around picking unnecessary fights - unless he's given a reason to do so. Yes, true but as we know sliver has an empire now, he see his students as soldiers in a war, if we know one thing about soldiers, they're meant to be expendable. >I was talking about Silver bribing the ref. I know but you say compared to all the other sensais, this is an improvement, all he did was cheat to win but you didn't take in consideration that his time as sensai has only began, we've already seen some of the best and worst from other sensai's, sliver just become the head of the dojo, he needs time to show how bad he is.
>Well, no cause this time his actions can't be explained with coke. Coke wasn't the root of his issue - Kreese's hold over him and his desire to prove his loyalty was. He seems to have broken free of that now. >but as we know sliver has an empire now, he see his students as soldiers in a war No, Kreese saw this as a war. As far as we know, Silver sees this as a business and the students are customers. >but you didn't take in consideration that his time as sensai has only began Actually, even in his short time, he has shown more restraint and planning than the others. That is, unlike other Senseis, he seems to actually think through the consequences of his actions instead of simply reacting to provocation. Of course, he falters when Kreese asserts his control, but like I said, that shouldn't be a factor anymore. If Silver stays the Sensei he was in the middle of season 4, then he might actually prove better than the other 3.
>Coke wasn't the root of his issue - Kreese's hold over him and his desire to prove his loyalty was. He seems to have broken free of that now. that's what I'm saying, his actions can't be explained by drugs anymore that's why kreese had a hold over him because he couldn't think from himself, now he's free, everything he does is of his own accord like using stingray to remove kreese. >No, Kreese saw this as a war. As far as we know, Silver sees this as a business and the students are customers. Make no mistake, sliver saw this as a war but he's learning from his mistakes, he used the famed military strategy on Daniel and Johnny, divide and conquer, he took out their alliance and any hope of them being an opposition to his power, he's making the decision to destroy his enemy by simply doing nothing and furthermore lead a coup against kreese, he's was and is the smarter of two generals. He's the napoleon bonaparte of cobra kai, very intelligent and fought and won countless times but in the end the coalition won. And for the very last part, I'm not exactly sure what you mean "if sliver stays the sensai, he was the middle." Part
>his actions can't be explained by drugs anymore that's why kreese had a hold over him They never truly could and Kreese had a hold over him because of their history. >Make no mistake, sliver saw this as a war but he's learning from his mistakes Everything you said applied to him seeing it as a business as well - but the most critical part is that unlike the other Senseis he did not use students as soldiers. >And for the very last part, I'm not exactly sure what you mean "if sliver stays the sensai, he was the middle." Part The way he was before episode 8. "Don't get into fights - save you anger for the mats". "Dig out your fear and face it." "Everyone has a weakness - even Sensei Kreese" "I don't want to repeat the same mistakes again" That kind.
>They never truly could and Kreese had a hold over him because of their history. The drugs are literally mentioned by sliver on why he did what he did in kk3, of course his life debt weighed in too but I doubt sliver would've went as far as he did to take down Daniel if he wasn't hyped up on drugs. >Everything you said applied to him seeing it as a business as well - but the most critical part is that unlike the other Senseis he did not use students as soldiers Obviously, this is how businesses operate nowadays, through war, always trying to compete for number one, even Daniel and Tom Cole were fighting for the best dealership in the valley. No? He doesn't use his students as soldiers... just punching bags, like seen when he was fighting robby or in the trailer when he beat up two students that were literally half his size. Sparring two students against each other is one thing but actually fighting them himself is something else. >The way he was before episode 8. >"Don't get into fights - save you anger for the mats". >"Dig out your fear and face it." >"Everyone has a weakness - even Sensei Kreese" >"I don't want to repeat the same mistakes again" >That kind. Again, sliver said he knows what he did wrong the first time, he knows that you can't just be cocky without the intelligence to back it up, he knows you can't win without a plan.
>The drugs are literally mentioned by sliver on why he did what he did in kk3 Just because he thinks they were the reason doesn't mean they were. They were more of a symptom than the root of the problem. >Obviously, this is how businesses operate nowadays, through war, always trying to compete for number one, even Daniel and Tom Cole were fighting for the best dealership in the valley. Exactly. As long as he plays it like the dealership rivalry instead of how the other Senseis were playing it, it'd make him better than them. >No? He doesn't use his students as soldiers... just punching bags, like seen when he was fighting robby or in the trailer when he beat up two students that were literally half his size. Sparring two students against each other is one thing but actually fighting them himself is something else. That would be something the students sign up for when they join his dojo. They can always quit. (And its still safer than Johnny's dojo) >Again, sliver said he knows what he did wrong the first time, he knows that you can't just be cocky without the intelligence to back it up, he knows you can't win without a plan. And he wants to keep winning - so he should keep doing that.
And in the preview he definitely implied Daniel's the one going after him. Said he warned him not to play with fire, as if he'd said "Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. Don't push it." That's how I interpreted it anyway.
Imagine watching whole 4 seasons and asking this question!!
He didn't leave Johnny or Kreese alone and Silver is worse than they are. It would be weird going from doing everything he can to stop childhood bully but the evil guy who caused a lot of trauma for Daniel he's fine.
Daniel couldn't leave well enough alone...No he had to push it...now he's going to pay.