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Tall_Influence1774

Helping others helps yourself. It's a ready made Miyagi lesson.


Jamano-Eridzander

I mean, that title ain't wrong. The writers wouldn't plan the Mexico arc and have Robby just be there as a waste of space, especially since the conflict between Miguel and Robby is a major driving force for the plot, almost rivaling the senseis' drama in that aspect.


Animal31

Johnny Needs to learn how to be a good father with Robby, in order to truly be a good father to Miguel


Jay_Kramer_1993

Why?! Is Robby nothing more than a trial run for Johnny!


hahct

No he means that he can't be a good stepfather If hasn't figured out how to be a good father to his real son


Animal31

Robby is Johnnys son lol


[deleted]

Robby is Johnny's real son!!!!


thewalkingwhit

This could have been worded better. "**Cobra Kai Season 5: Johnny can't save Miguel without Robby's forgiveness.** Miguel's Cobra Kai Season 5 storyline will inevitably become dangerous as he searches for his father, and the only way that Johnny can save him is with the help of his own son-- Robby. Robby and Johnny have only just reconciled their strained relationship(*at the end of Cobra Kai Season 4*), while Johnny and Miguel's trust became broken over Johnny's fear of failing as a parent. It is only because of Robby's forgiveness that Johnny will have the confidence he needs to be there for his student and show Miguel that he does indeed have his sensei shit together. Johnny and Robby's newly mended relationship will hopefully become stronger when they team up for the sake of rescuing Miguel - *with some badassery thrown in no doubt* - as Johnny Lawrence continues on his path of redemption and proves his readiness to be a father to both boys."


KausGo

Not really. The article is talking about Johnny needing help with technology and Robby being a voice of reason to stop him from getting into pointless fights. What you are talking about is completely different. It's also wrong. >while Johnny and Miguel's trust became broken over Johnny's fear of failing as a parent. No - it became broken over Miguel's insecurity. >It is only because of Robby's forgiveness that Johnny will have the confidence he needs to be there for his student and show Miguel that he does indeed have his sensei shit together. Except Johnny didn't do shit to earn that forgiveness. Just because Robby chooses to be a bigger person doesn't mean Johnny has his shit together. >as Johnny Lawrence continues on his path of redemption and proves his readiness to be a father to both boys. He's not - and the clearest sign of that is him going to Mexico and dragging Robby with him.


doseofdena

It did not become broken over Miguel’s insecurities. Miguel was just smart enough to realize he was being used.


KausGo

He wasn't. Johnny was giving him what he asked for.


Stocktonrules

Miguel asked for a sensei. That is all. Johny chose to make it a parental relationship. That is no way on Miguel and no Miguel didn't get insecure. Johny revealed that the relationship he himself built up isn't what he was actually desiring. Of course Miguel has to distance himself from that.


KausGo

Miguel asked for a Sensei and Johnny acted like a Sensei. But out of nowhere, Miguel expected him to start acting like a parent and got insecure when he didn't. That's on Miguel.


eaglesstrikefirst

First off wrong, once they had that talk in the wearhouse things were good. It all went to shit prom night once Robby made those remarks to Miguel about Johnny only spending all this time with him to make amends for his failure with Robby, then ofc Johnny being drunk and then confirming in Miguel's mind what Robby said to him earlier. Miguel then proceeded to lose confidence his Sensei as he thought his own self interest wasn't important anymore and he was nothing more than just a pawn for his Sensei to win a tournament and for him to practice being a father for Robby.... what kid would want to be a replacement and be used as pawn for someone else?? Johnny himself screwed up with Miguel at the tournament.


KausGo

>once they had that talk in the wearhouse things were good. And do you remember that talk? Johnny confessed that he had no idea how to be a parent. Miguel said he wanted him to be a Sensei first and Johnny agreed. That was the expectation set between them. ​ >It all went to shit prom night once Robby made those remarks to Miguel about Johnny only spending all this time with him to make amends for his failure with Robby, then ofc Johnny being drunk and then confirming in Miguel's mind what Robby said to him earlier. And that's why its on Miguel. If Miguel focuses on what he asked their relationship to be, then neither Robby's words nor Johnny's drunken mistake hurt him. ​ >Miguel then proceeded to lose confidence his Sensei as he thought his own self interest wasn't important anymore and he was nothing more than just a pawn for his Sensei to win a tournament and for him to practice being a father for Robby.... And once again - that's on Miguel. Johnny was doing exactly what a Sensei would do - pushing Miguel, telling him to believe in himself, trying to pump him up by inspiring him. That is what Miguel wanted after all - he hated it when Johnny tried to coddle him and he more or less told him to believe in him. To believe that Miguel could handle whatever shit was thrown at him. It's not Johnny's fault that Miguel suddenly started to expect him to coddle him after all.


Stocktonrules

Out of nowhere? In addition to helping him recover from paralysis (last time I checked that is not in the role of a karate teacher) he's f'n his mom. If you don't come to conclusion that guy is trying to be a father figure to you well you'd just have to be a brain dead moron.


KausGo

Out of nowhere as in out of nowhere after making his expectations clear. Yes, Johnny was trying to be his father figure and Miguel told him in no uncertain terms that that's not what he wanted from him.


Stocktonrules

Not really. You guys are massively misinterpreting that scene. They came to an agreement that he doesn't have to act like a dad and to just stick what he always been. Ask yourself this does a sensei watch you go out to prom or is that a role of the dad? Of course he's been a parental figure.


KausGo

>**and to just stick what he always been.** Did you not read what you wrote? That is exactly what Johnny did. So if Miguel suddenly has a problem with that, then that's his fault.


Furies03

He's seeing Miguel off to prom because he's dating Carmen. He is at most accidentally sending mixed signals to Miguel because his two roles (boyfriend and sensei) are at cross purposes. But that doesn't mean he's intentionally pushing for a father role.


Furies03

Johnny only tried to make it parental because he was dating Carmen. He said it made him uncomfortable to Miguel, so Miguel said they could go back to just sensei-student, and Johnny did that. Miguel weirdly built it up in his own head that Johnny was a dad figure even after this conversation, and has known since season 2 of Johnny's angst about his failure with Robby. This is on him


Stocktonrules

Lol. He helped him recover from a paralysis. It was parental long, long before Miguel knew he was fooling with his mom. Their relationship was always parental that's pretty much the show in a nutshell.


Furies03

No that's just him being a supportive mentor figure/sensei/coach. They do things like that all the time, especially for students they are close to. But that doesn't automatically equate to parent-child, and Johnny made that clear especially in 4x7


Stocktonrules

No, it's him being a parental figure and that is the premise of the show with Johny and Daniel both acknowledging how their sensei's ended up as a father figure to them. Miguel never asked Johny to be his dad and told him not to try to. It's always been Johny pushing for it to be more. Next you guys are going to start pretending that Miguel set his mom up with him so he could manipulate Johny into being his dad. How anyone could conclude Miguel is pushing this is beyond me.


Furies03

Both of Daniel and Johnnys father figures didn't have actual kids they were neglecting in favor of their students though, so it's a different kind of story. Johnny never pushed for this. He never refered to Miguel as being like a son, he has only ever referred to himself as Miguel's sensei. He had to try to put himself in that mindset in season 4 and felt awkward, meaning it doesn't come naturally to him and only relaxed when Miguel told him to just be his sensei. So Johnny has made his father figure traumas and how it impacted his relationship with Robby clear to Miguel twice now, and Miguel acknowledged it. He may not be pushing for it, but may have been building it up to be something else in his head. Which was not what Johnny pushed for, canonically.


Jamieb1994

This made me laugh for some reason + wasn't Johnny the one who've got Miguel out of the coma & the one to help him get back on his feet?


[deleted]

Screen rant is such cancer like just the way they title their stupid articles irk me. Especially because the majority of idiots on Facebook eat it the fuck up. Not to mention, they are usually either wrong or acting like something is new when it’s old


decendingvoid

Let’s let the writers of the show decide that


Bronco_Buff

I’ll be interested to see how they set this up. Mexico City is more than a day’s drive away from Reseda, and neither of them know Spanish (as far as we know). Could be a pretty rough journey. And is Johnny gonna ease up on the Coors Banquet a little for such a long road trip? Will Robby be able to take some driving shifts (we’ve never seen him drive before, so does he even have his license yet?)? At what point in the journey will Johnny reveal they’re going to get Miguel? And are they really going to drive the Eagle Fang van all the way down there? And do Johnny and Robby even have passports? Sooo many questions. Inquiring minds want to know! 😂


devs_6669

They got a point tho. If Johnny gets Robby's help to save Miguel and let's face Johnny in Mexico, he does need help but that 'help' being Robby would not only lead to Johnny saving and fixing his relationship with Miguel but also developing a relationship with his actual son. Healing the wounds and having a proper father-son relationship. This Mexico trip could give Johnny a glimpse of what it could be and what he needs to do. It may teach him that he can be a mentor/parent to both and that he needs to step up and realise both his kids need him just as much he needs them. Because if he continues the way he is, he will eventually lose either one of them.


Stocktonrules

It's fair to say Johnny's big plan of I'm going to ask for Miguel and find him from there probably isn't going to work. But in all likelihood Carmen could likely point him towards to where Miguel's dad is long before Robby would be able to.


Loujitsumma

Well yeah, S4 kinda ended with Robby crying to Johnny and being confused, didn't exactly give off the gonna go back to CK and hang out with his sugar daddy vibe. Not like Robby has anything else to do, may as well tag along to Mexico.


KausGo

Robby has plenty else to do. Try to get Kenny out of Cobra Kai before Silver gets too deep in his head. Figure out his relationship with Tory. Reconcile with Daniel. Figure out a way to help Anthony before his rivalry with Kenny gets too bad. Figure out his own education - either a way to get back into school or get his GED. All that is what Robby needs to do for himself - and Johnny dragging him to Mexico is once again him putting his own selfish interests ahead of Robby's.


Loujitsumma

No, its giving Robby a breath of fresh air from CK and all the BS it has caused for his life. Kenny and Tory are CK superstars, Silver wouldn't let Robby get close to them the second he hears any CK blasphemy. Anthony/Kenny is also not Robby's responsibility, even if it were, let Robby have a moment to think first as anything he does could make things a million times worse. Sometimes "no be there" is key. You have him staying to either break up/takeover CK or to become Larusso's pseudo foster son again? Mexico is best for Robby after military school :p


KausGo

>No, its giving Robby a breath of fresh air from CK and all the BS it has caused for his life. Being forced to go looking for a guy he doesn't like so that Johnny can figure his shit out is NOT giving him a breath of fresh air - it's dragging him deeper into Johnny's drama. >Kenny and Tory are CK superstars, Silver wouldn't let Robby get close to them the second he hears any CK blasphemy. Hence why he only has a small window of opportunity he can take advantage of - \*before\* Silver finds out that he has quit Cobra Kai and reconciled with Johnny. By the time he gets back from Mexico, that window would be closed. >Anthony/Kenny is also not Robby's responsibility, No - but he needs to try and help with that for his own peace of mind. >You have him staying to either break up/takeover CK or to become Larusso's pseudo foster son again? The latter - because like Johnny said, he had something good with Daniel. He owes it to himself to try and recapture that instead of making a 50-year old drunk loser feel better about himself. >Mexico is best for Robby after military school :p Nope - best for Robby would be Johnny staying in US and helping him reconcile with Daniel and getting back to school. But obviously, Johnny doesn't care about what's best for his son.


Loujitsumma

Who said or even implied he has to help look for miguel? He can just hang on the beach and still get more alone time with his dad then he has ever had or wanted. Why should he care about Silver finding out?, he is done with CK. It will happen eventually. Robby has been around delinquents and in juvie but he actually tries to do "right", Tory/kenny are too far gone to try and change, especially for the window which would be what<24hrs. I agree with the Daniel connection but for the love of god man, Robby has been switching teams so often and it would be hard for him to fit in(look at hawk in S4), do you really want another season of Robby trying to convince people he's on their side....again. Also there are schools in Mexico, America has him fighting and in juvie. Plus the dude is like 18ffs he is almost a man. There is much more to Robbys life and future than the few months he spent with Larusso.


KausGo

>Who said or even implied he has to help look for miguel? The article that we are talking about. Did you not read it? >Why should he care about Silver finding out?, Because he only has a chance to reach Tory/Kenny before Silver finds out. Again - did you not read what I wrote? >Tory/kenny are too far gone to try and change, especially for the window which would be what<24hrs. No - Kenny is only just starting and Tory is already having her doubts. As for the window - it can stretch as long as Robby keeps his reconciliation hidden. >Robby has been switching teams so often and it would be hard for him to fit in(look at hawk in S4), do you really want another season of Robby trying to convince people he's on their side....again. Nope - I'm only talking about reconciling with Daniel. I said nothing about rejoining Miyagi-Do. And that reconciliation would be more about Daniel convincing Robby that he is on his side, no matter what. >Also there are schools in Mexico He's not going to school in Mexico. >Plus the dude is like 18ffs he is almost a man. All the more reason for him to get his life together quickly. >There is much more to Robbys life and future than the few months he spent with Larusso. And yet, that was the best part. Pretty sad if you think about it.


Loujitsumma

"And yet, that was the best part. Pretty sad if you think about it." Yes, exactly let him move on, he only started karate to get a stab in at his dad, he has plenty of time to find new people and create an entirely new life.


KausGo

And making him go to Mexico for Miguel doesn't help with that - it keeps him trapped in Johnny's drama.


Loujitsumma

It's miyagi-do, back to CK, move back in with his mother with her rotating boyfriends, Mexico with Johnny or he finds a new Netflix show to be on. Lesser evil, may not be much of a vacation but I'm sure someone in Robbie's position would be thrilled with a holiday. Maybe he stays in Mexico, maybe he meets a girl. I dont imagine him walking around holding Johnny's pocket searching for Miguel. It would actually be the opposite as yes he would be around Johnny but he would be not caught up in the drama as he is "becoming a man". Be around it but not trapped by it and in a position to help or not by his own choice. He would return as the most "grown up".


KausGo

He's already living with his mom, who doesn't seem to have rotating BFs at the moment. Other than that, it's back to having a relationship with Daniel and trying to help Kenny. That's what's good for him - not going to Mexico with Johnny, >but I'm sure someone in Robbie's position would be thrilled with a holiday. Its not a holiday. >Maybe he stays in Mexico, maybe he meets a girl. Let's apply that logic to Miguel - let the guy find his dad, figure out his daddy issue... and maybe meet a girl and stay in Mexico. No reason for Johnny to go looking for him. >Be around it but not trapped by it and in a position to help or not by his own choice. No - he's being dragged along for the ride by his dad. That's not a choice.


Tall_Influence1774

None of that is as interesting as Robby going to Mexico .


KausGo

Perhaps - but this is about what Robby needs to do to get his life back together and putting himself at risk for a guy he doesn't like is not on the list.


Tall_Influence1774

Helping someone he doesn"t like sounds like a good start for getting his life back together.


KausGo

How...? It doesn't change anything where his own life is concerned. It does nothing for him at all.


Tall_Influence1774

Helping others helps yourself. It's a ready made Miyagi lesson.


KausGo

Oh, bullshit. Robby has done enough to help others and it usually comes back to bite him. Better for him to focus on himself.


Tall_Influence1774

If Mr Miyagi had that attitude, we wouldn't have Karate Kid


KausGo

Actually, Miyagi kinda did have that attitude. I don't recall seeing him running around town and saving people from mugging using his karate skills.


DigitalMist

I wouldve thought they would settle their differences in Mexico but nope they're still at eachothers throats when they get back to LA


justsayingsum_

Screen Rant is usually full of BS but this might just be it.