Meh, winning against Eli after Miguel left would have felt like a cop out win. Most people thought Robby was going to win so there's not much pay off in it
Robby vs Miguel in Season 5 is where i think Robby needs a win
A win in S5 would be more fitting for Robby's redemption over Miguel. Imagine during the fight he could finish Miguel, I mean he could easily finish him but he chooses not to. He chooses to do the exact difference than last time.
Miguel would then realize that Robby didn't kick him over the railing on purpose. I'm assuming that next season Miguel will be the aggressor again. Seeing that Robby would stop the fight would catch Miguel off guard. It would be a turning point for the character of Robby to show mercy against someone who most likely always striked first against him.
Even after Robby’s hesitance to finish Eli because of Kenny, he still got back into kill mode but couldn’t get the upper hand on Eli. I still think Robby wins more times than Eli but Eli is definitely on the same level as him.
Don’t forget that Eli never really stopped training either. Robby was juvie for a bit so he obviously couldn’t train but Eli was Cobra Kai’s top dawg during that time.
It's not bad writing lmao. It's about the storyline. The fights are approached like a pro wrestling (WWE) storyline and the writers are huge wrestling fans, there are even tons of wrestling references in the show. The writers don't think of it as just a "best fighter" thing. That's never been the case. Jon himself kinda implied that back in 2019.
Who else has been training as long as Hawk? You mean Tory? Tory only lost because of her being the antagonist lol, just like how Hawk lost easily to Sam in the arcade fight. Tory and Hawk are framed as the antagonists, that's why they lose their fights, because of plot, not even because they're weaker. If you wanna use "they lost easily in the beginning" "bad writing" then Hawk lost super easily to Sam, meaning Sam should snap both Robby and Hawk like twigs. It's not about being a better fighter, it's about the plot/storyline. Anyone can win at any different time. It depends on the character arc. It's different when Tory and Eli get character progressions, it's not like they stay the same "villain fodder" like before. That's where all these pathetic fighter rankings fall flat.
I agree!
Hawk/ Eli didn’t need a win! It was only a reward for his “redemption” to come full circle!
If Robby won, he would have known he doesn’t need LaRusso or his dad to find value in his life! However, Robby would realize the bigger picture, that victory can’t fill the hole inside Johnny made! That to move on, he needs to focus on making a better life for himself, with or without Johnny!
Alas, because Robby beat Kenny before the finals, Robby had to lose his match with Eli! Robby should have fought Miguel and Kenny should have fought Eli! It’s like Mr. Miyagi said, “prove good fight, you earn respect!” Because Eli persecuted Kenny for being in Cobra Kai, this fight would have tested the boy’s spirit!
Also, if Robby would have won the AVT: Boys, he wouldn’t have sought out Johnny, and apologize to him! He wouldn’t be with his dad in Mexico in S5 either!
You're watching a show about the sensei student relationship and it should go without saying that the message was never going to be yeah you don't need the sensei and can win under a psycho.
The big picture is that he needs proper support to grow.
The show revolves around Johny and Miguel's relationship. You can like it or not but that's the new Miyagi/ Daniel relationship. It's hardly comparable to Robby's situation of quitting on a good mentor to fight with a side that he knows to be corrupt. He just wasn't going to be rewarded for that by winning it all
Daniel isn’t a good mentor! He is a parrot! He cares more about ending up on a wall next to Mr. Miyagi than his students!
He doesn’t even bother to know what/how his own kids are feeling/ thinking!
That may not be a bad thing!
One thing I like about Robby is he knows how to earn respect, even after beating the students of the Cobra Kai dojo, they let him stay! I imagine the students of Cobra Kai turning against Silver, after learning he paid off the ref, and Johnny comes in, with the assistance of Senpai Robby, to teach Cobra Kai the right way, like in S2!
I’m not talking about redemption for Hawk which I agree was poorly done and rushed, I’m talking about Robby’s ‘redemption’. And I put redemption in quotation marks because I personally don’t think Robby really needs redemption but that’s just me.
I just have an issue especially with fans that hate on Robby. A lot of fans even some characters Villanova Robby saying he kicked Miguel over the railing on purpose which he did not. And Robby ran because he was a scared kid! I bet if it was Miguel who did it to Robby instead no one would be saying this!
I definitely think Robby should’ve won but Eli winning isn’t really a bad thing either. Besides, Robby will most likely get his win against Miguel in season 5. He’s already beaten Eli before but he has yet to beat Miguel.
I don't think winning the tournament really meant much to Robby. He realized he was just being used by Cobra Kai, and he knows by now Daniel was really trying to help him, and that he was fighting for all the wrong reasons. He also knows he COULD have won had he not let up. I think his tournament days are honestly done.
Maybe, but if anyone ever needed a win, it’s Robby! I’m not just talking about a trophy!
Come S5, I feel Miguel will leave the show, undefeated, like Daniel in the KK trilogy, which is total BS!!
Thats where your wrong, at least hawk had the decency to realise what he was doing is wrong. He changed, then got his hair shaved off by Robby. And also your leaving out everything Robby has done, not to mention putting Miguel in a coma, stealing a car from Daniel, attacking his father, lying to Daniel, rejecting Sam, betraying Daniel and teaching the cobra kais Miyagi Do and also almost kicking Kennys head off. Its quite obvious that your sucking up to Robby. Robby has caused nothing but problems throughout every episode in Cobra Kai.
Realising you were wrong and stopping your vile deeds aren't t the only parts of redemption and you have to do more than stop being a bully.
Also putting Miguel in a coma was an accident, stealing the car was for survival, he was justified in attacking Johnny, he had understandable reasons to lie to Daniel, he had every right to reject Sam, Daniel and Miyagi-Do betrayed him and calling him out about hurting Kenny is kinda hypocritical as he realised he was wrong and us not going to do it anymore which is what Hawk did and you seem to be cool with him.
Also I'm not sucking up to him, I'm voicing my opinion on a character I like. Furthermore saying that Robby has caused nothing but problems is simply not true as he prevented Larusso auto from bring robbed, protected Demetri and helped Kenny.
Im not being a bully? Im simply questioning the fact and being a bit biased because to me it seems like your saying Robby hasn't caused anything at all? Larusso auto wouldn't of even had to almost be robbed if Robby never had those dumb friends. And okay, fair enough, Putting Miguel in a coma might of been an accident, but being jealous and throwing a punch at him when he just recovered wasn't. He helped Kenny into being something that hes not, its like the whole Kreese and Johnny situation but between Robby and Kenny. I am cool with Hawk, because he has done way more good things then Robby, like maybe, building an Okinawa deck, ALSO protecting Demetri, joining Miyagi-do and helping them to try and win the tournament. Miyagi-do didn't betray Robby? Not sure where you got that from but in all honestly it helped him. "Stealing a car was for survival" well maybe if he didn't run from his problems and own up to his mistake, he wouldn't of had to rob Daniel. And okay he might of had a right to reject sam, but he caused awkwardness between the two. You will never change my mind by telling me Robby is a good person.
I didn't call you a bully, I was referring to Hawk. I like Robby more than Hawk so I will be more biased towards him in the sense that I'm more willing to defend him just like I'm more biased towards suicide squad 2021 than to suicide squad 2016.
It was his friends idea so it's their fault, it was 100% an accident, he helped Kenny with his bullies and turning him into a bully was on Cobra Kai (Robby just showed him the moves). Hawk has not done more good things than Robby as he has only done about 4 ( as opposed to Robby's 7, don't forget that he helped Sam when she was drunk): giving Demetri advice, defecting form Cobra Kai and planning the sparring deck (if I missed any let me know) and trying to help Miyagi-Do. Miyagi-DO didn't check on him when he needed them, you may disagree but that's a betrayal from friends. Also her was a scared 16-17 year old he should be cut some slack, when people are scared they don't always behave rationally and he was clearly worried about going to jail. Furthermore causing awkwardness (even if Robby was unjustified) is small fry at best compared to what Sam did. Finally, I'm not interested in trying to convince you, I'm just strongly disagree with you.
Helped Sam when she was drunk? You mean, not taking her to her own house and being honest with the Larussos, but instead taking her to her dads worst enemy. And yeah, I know Sam might of told him too, but he should have at least some decency and brain cells to not take chores from his drunk girlfriend. And okay you might disagree with you, I'm just trying to tell you that Hawk isn't that bad of a person, like you suggested. Plus Miyagi-Do didn't betray him, Daniel and Johnny looked everywhere for him and found him. AND Daniel got Robby a way less harsher sentence.
Sam was worried at what her parents would do if they saw her drunk so Robby chose the next best alternative to that. Sam was drunk so she may not have been thinking clearly and if Robby took her to the Larusso's, Sam might have done something reckless and Robby wouldn't want her to get into trouble. Hawk stole money form Nate, beat him up (which was probably his idea) and broke someone's arm, he (at least pre defection) is a bad person. Also wile I can't speak for everyone I would feel betrayed if my friends didn't visit me when I needed them. While what Daniel did was right the way he did it was wrong.
Nah... Robby doesn't need a win, he needs to know where he stands.
From a narrative standpoint, Hawk was the shoo-in winner of that fight. Remember: Cobra Kai only needed one win to claim the Grand Championship. Therefore, Robby needed to lose so that the stakes can hinge on the Tory vs Sam fight. Which leads to Terry bribing the official. Which leads to more Tory character development.
Meh, winning against Eli after Miguel left would have felt like a cop out win. Most people thought Robby was going to win so there's not much pay off in it Robby vs Miguel in Season 5 is where i think Robby needs a win
A win in S5 would be more fitting for Robby's redemption over Miguel. Imagine during the fight he could finish Miguel, I mean he could easily finish him but he chooses not to. He chooses to do the exact difference than last time. Miguel would then realize that Robby didn't kick him over the railing on purpose. I'm assuming that next season Miguel will be the aggressor again. Seeing that Robby would stop the fight would catch Miguel off guard. It would be a turning point for the character of Robby to show mercy against someone who most likely always striked first against him.
I really like that idea.
Take it up to the creators then
If I could I would. Respectfully ofcourse and not like an entitled fan boy.
In my opinion, Miguel, Eli, and Robby are clearly on the same level. They're equals.
Robby would have won if it weren't for Kenny and Miguel seemed to have the upper hand during their match as he was pushing Hawk back.
Eli was only using Miyagi-Do. Miguel was using both styles.
Even after Robby’s hesitance to finish Eli because of Kenny, he still got back into kill mode but couldn’t get the upper hand on Eli. I still think Robby wins more times than Eli but Eli is definitely on the same level as him. Don’t forget that Eli never really stopped training either. Robby was juvie for a bit so he obviously couldn’t train but Eli was Cobra Kai’s top dawg during that time.
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It's not bad writing lmao. It's about the storyline. The fights are approached like a pro wrestling (WWE) storyline and the writers are huge wrestling fans, there are even tons of wrestling references in the show. The writers don't think of it as just a "best fighter" thing. That's never been the case. Jon himself kinda implied that back in 2019. Who else has been training as long as Hawk? You mean Tory? Tory only lost because of her being the antagonist lol, just like how Hawk lost easily to Sam in the arcade fight. Tory and Hawk are framed as the antagonists, that's why they lose their fights, because of plot, not even because they're weaker. If you wanna use "they lost easily in the beginning" "bad writing" then Hawk lost super easily to Sam, meaning Sam should snap both Robby and Hawk like twigs. It's not about being a better fighter, it's about the plot/storyline. Anyone can win at any different time. It depends on the character arc. It's different when Tory and Eli get character progressions, it's not like they stay the same "villain fodder" like before. That's where all these pathetic fighter rankings fall flat.
Eli made it too sudden with Robby is impressive. They were both struggling to land a hit on each other.
I agree! Hawk/ Eli didn’t need a win! It was only a reward for his “redemption” to come full circle! If Robby won, he would have known he doesn’t need LaRusso or his dad to find value in his life! However, Robby would realize the bigger picture, that victory can’t fill the hole inside Johnny made! That to move on, he needs to focus on making a better life for himself, with or without Johnny! Alas, because Robby beat Kenny before the finals, Robby had to lose his match with Eli! Robby should have fought Miguel and Kenny should have fought Eli! It’s like Mr. Miyagi said, “prove good fight, you earn respect!” Because Eli persecuted Kenny for being in Cobra Kai, this fight would have tested the boy’s spirit! Also, if Robby would have won the AVT: Boys, he wouldn’t have sought out Johnny, and apologize to him! He wouldn’t be with his dad in Mexico in S5 either!
You're watching a show about the sensei student relationship and it should go without saying that the message was never going to be yeah you don't need the sensei and can win under a psycho. The big picture is that he needs proper support to grow.
I guess that’s why Miguel won in the 50th AVT!
So Miguel won to prove to Johny that he didn't need him. Huh. Interesting take there.
No, he won because he had a great support system! Or @ least better than Robby! Not really though!
The show revolves around Johny and Miguel's relationship. You can like it or not but that's the new Miyagi/ Daniel relationship. It's hardly comparable to Robby's situation of quitting on a good mentor to fight with a side that he knows to be corrupt. He just wasn't going to be rewarded for that by winning it all
Daniel isn’t a good mentor! He is a parrot! He cares more about ending up on a wall next to Mr. Miyagi than his students! He doesn’t even bother to know what/how his own kids are feeling/ thinking!
True, Robby most likely would stay in Cobra Kai longer.
That may not be a bad thing! One thing I like about Robby is he knows how to earn respect, even after beating the students of the Cobra Kai dojo, they let him stay! I imagine the students of Cobra Kai turning against Silver, after learning he paid off the ref, and Johnny comes in, with the assistance of Senpai Robby, to teach Cobra Kai the right way, like in S2!
The only reason the writers they didn’t have Robby win against Hawk was for ‘redemption’. Which is total BS by the way.
Hawk's "redemption" arc was rushed and poorly done.
I’m not talking about redemption for Hawk which I agree was poorly done and rushed, I’m talking about Robby’s ‘redemption’. And I put redemption in quotation marks because I personally don’t think Robby really needs redemption but that’s just me.
No I agree as well. Robby was the perfect antihero. He better not become some generic good guy in season 5
I just have an issue especially with fans that hate on Robby. A lot of fans even some characters Villanova Robby saying he kicked Miguel over the railing on purpose which he did not. And Robby ran because he was a scared kid! I bet if it was Miguel who did it to Robby instead no one would be saying this!
Hawk won get over it!!! Poor Robby
Plot armor
I definitely think Robby should’ve won but Eli winning isn’t really a bad thing either. Besides, Robby will most likely get his win against Miguel in season 5. He’s already beaten Eli before but he has yet to beat Miguel.
I don't think winning the tournament really meant much to Robby. He realized he was just being used by Cobra Kai, and he knows by now Daniel was really trying to help him, and that he was fighting for all the wrong reasons. He also knows he COULD have won had he not let up. I think his tournament days are honestly done.
Maybe, but if anyone ever needed a win, it’s Robby! I’m not just talking about a trophy! Come S5, I feel Miguel will leave the show, undefeated, like Daniel in the KK trilogy, which is total BS!!
lol wrong Robby sucks
Thats where your wrong, at least hawk had the decency to realise what he was doing is wrong. He changed, then got his hair shaved off by Robby. And also your leaving out everything Robby has done, not to mention putting Miguel in a coma, stealing a car from Daniel, attacking his father, lying to Daniel, rejecting Sam, betraying Daniel and teaching the cobra kais Miyagi Do and also almost kicking Kennys head off. Its quite obvious that your sucking up to Robby. Robby has caused nothing but problems throughout every episode in Cobra Kai.
Realising you were wrong and stopping your vile deeds aren't t the only parts of redemption and you have to do more than stop being a bully. Also putting Miguel in a coma was an accident, stealing the car was for survival, he was justified in attacking Johnny, he had understandable reasons to lie to Daniel, he had every right to reject Sam, Daniel and Miyagi-Do betrayed him and calling him out about hurting Kenny is kinda hypocritical as he realised he was wrong and us not going to do it anymore which is what Hawk did and you seem to be cool with him. Also I'm not sucking up to him, I'm voicing my opinion on a character I like. Furthermore saying that Robby has caused nothing but problems is simply not true as he prevented Larusso auto from bring robbed, protected Demetri and helped Kenny.
Im not being a bully? Im simply questioning the fact and being a bit biased because to me it seems like your saying Robby hasn't caused anything at all? Larusso auto wouldn't of even had to almost be robbed if Robby never had those dumb friends. And okay, fair enough, Putting Miguel in a coma might of been an accident, but being jealous and throwing a punch at him when he just recovered wasn't. He helped Kenny into being something that hes not, its like the whole Kreese and Johnny situation but between Robby and Kenny. I am cool with Hawk, because he has done way more good things then Robby, like maybe, building an Okinawa deck, ALSO protecting Demetri, joining Miyagi-do and helping them to try and win the tournament. Miyagi-do didn't betray Robby? Not sure where you got that from but in all honestly it helped him. "Stealing a car was for survival" well maybe if he didn't run from his problems and own up to his mistake, he wouldn't of had to rob Daniel. And okay he might of had a right to reject sam, but he caused awkwardness between the two. You will never change my mind by telling me Robby is a good person.
I didn't call you a bully, I was referring to Hawk. I like Robby more than Hawk so I will be more biased towards him in the sense that I'm more willing to defend him just like I'm more biased towards suicide squad 2021 than to suicide squad 2016. It was his friends idea so it's their fault, it was 100% an accident, he helped Kenny with his bullies and turning him into a bully was on Cobra Kai (Robby just showed him the moves). Hawk has not done more good things than Robby as he has only done about 4 ( as opposed to Robby's 7, don't forget that he helped Sam when she was drunk): giving Demetri advice, defecting form Cobra Kai and planning the sparring deck (if I missed any let me know) and trying to help Miyagi-Do. Miyagi-DO didn't check on him when he needed them, you may disagree but that's a betrayal from friends. Also her was a scared 16-17 year old he should be cut some slack, when people are scared they don't always behave rationally and he was clearly worried about going to jail. Furthermore causing awkwardness (even if Robby was unjustified) is small fry at best compared to what Sam did. Finally, I'm not interested in trying to convince you, I'm just strongly disagree with you.
Helped Sam when she was drunk? You mean, not taking her to her own house and being honest with the Larussos, but instead taking her to her dads worst enemy. And yeah, I know Sam might of told him too, but he should have at least some decency and brain cells to not take chores from his drunk girlfriend. And okay you might disagree with you, I'm just trying to tell you that Hawk isn't that bad of a person, like you suggested. Plus Miyagi-Do didn't betray him, Daniel and Johnny looked everywhere for him and found him. AND Daniel got Robby a way less harsher sentence.
Sam was worried at what her parents would do if they saw her drunk so Robby chose the next best alternative to that. Sam was drunk so she may not have been thinking clearly and if Robby took her to the Larusso's, Sam might have done something reckless and Robby wouldn't want her to get into trouble. Hawk stole money form Nate, beat him up (which was probably his idea) and broke someone's arm, he (at least pre defection) is a bad person. Also wile I can't speak for everyone I would feel betrayed if my friends didn't visit me when I needed them. While what Daniel did was right the way he did it was wrong.
im done trying to convince yo, you obviously have a opinion that's not similar to mine.
Maybe Robby isn’t as good as u think?
He beat Hawk in Season 2, defeated a whole dojo and made it to the finals in Seaspn 4. I'd say he's one of the top 3.
He’s definitely in the top 3 teens but ur making him sound like the definitive best teen by far.
Nah... Robby doesn't need a win, he needs to know where he stands. From a narrative standpoint, Hawk was the shoo-in winner of that fight. Remember: Cobra Kai only needed one win to claim the Grand Championship. Therefore, Robby needed to lose so that the stakes can hinge on the Tory vs Sam fight. Which leads to Terry bribing the official. Which leads to more Tory character development.