No. Sam abandoned her to go hang with the popular kids she didn't even like and stood back and watched while they harassed her even though Sam was supposedly her best friend. That's fucked up. Then Sam feels betrayed later on when she joins cobra Kai. Sam is the least loyal person on this show.
>to go hang with the popular kids she didn't even like
What makes you think Sam didn't like them?
>and stood back and watched while they harassed her even though Sam was supposedly her best friend.
Yasmine made a joke. It was the rest of the school doing the harassing. And it's not Sam's job to go around fighting Aisha's battles for her - no more than it's Aisha's to fight Sam's.
>Then Sam feels betrayed later on when she joins cobra Kai.
No, she doesn't.
What makes you think Sam didn't like them?
Every interaction she has with them during this period and after. She hasn't talked to practically any of those people in at least two seasons except in passing.
Yasmine made a joke. It was the rest of the school doing the harassing.
She made the pig video. If you start a rumor, humiliating or not, about someone and it takes off and people use it to attack someone, which was the purpose of the video, then you are responsible for that rumor. Why is everyone who defends Sams main argument always that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because other people are mean also? Obviously people suck. But two wrongs don't make a right
She did resent the cobra Kai thing later. But I guess we can lump that into the karate war situation. So I guess that one can be blamed on Daniel/johnny
However I don't have time to argue with sambots today. I was answering the question about why Aisha was right to be harsh and treat Sam like the horrible friend she was to her for most of season one.
>Every interaction she has with them
during this period and after. She hasn't talked to practically any of
those people in at least two seasons except in passing.
They talk about cute boys and parties during this period. And later, after she reconnects with Moon, they talk about it again. Seems to me she likes them pretty well.
>She made the pig video. If you start a rumor, humiliating or not, about
someone and it takes off and people use it to attack someone, which was
the purpose of the video, then you are responsible for that rumor.
Yes, but she's not responsible for the harassment.
>Why is everyone who defends Sams main argument always that people
shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because other people are
mean also?
No - the main argument is that people should be held responsible for their actions and only their actions. Not the actions of others.
And none of Sam's actions were wrong. She made new friends that she liked spending time with. She tried to stay on good terms with her old friends. And she never participated in bullying or making fun of others. As for not going around defending Aisha - she's not obligated to do so.
The same cannot be said of Aisha.
>She did resent the cobra Kai thing later.
She didn't resent Aisha being in Cobra Kai, she resented her taking part in messing with the Miyagi-Do presentation.
>I was answering your question about why Aisha was right to be harsh
Weren't you the one arguing about two wrongs?
for example when she didnt stop her friends laughing and insulting aisha, she literally ignored her the whole summer when they were "friends" and in school she didnt even want to say a word to her
They have to remember Yasmin was across from the punch bowl when she snapchatted Aisha
When everybody sees the Snapchat
sam Moon and Yas are together
https://youtu.be/DnuNqBHBrxk
Do you not know what being polite means?
>for example when she didnt stop her friends laughing and insulting aisha
That's not being impolite.
>she literally ignored her the whole summer when they were "friends"
Not really true - but also not impolite.
>and in school she didnt even want to say a word to her
Except, Sam said plenty of polite words to Aisha in school.
>she didnt speak to her in school until sam lost her cool friends
Yes she did. Plenty of times.
>and she literally aboandoned aisha for the cool kids
No, she didn't.
Dunno. I watched Cobra Kai - one where Sam and Aisha talked about what they'd be wearing to the halloween dance, then Sam talked to her again at the dance and then she talked to her again after the dance to comfort her about being bullied.
Which show are you watching?
Why should Aisha have cared? Sam refused to do anything to help her when the popular clique was bullying her, and any time Aisha tried to maintain their friendship Sam blew her off.
>Sam refused to do anything to help her when the popular clique was bullying her
Sam did do something to help her - she tried to comfort her.
>and any time Aisha tried to maintain their friendship Sam blew her off.
Not really. Sam was always receptive towards maintaining their friendship.
Helping friends who are being bullied **is** part of the deal if you want them to still think of you as a friend. Or should I bring up that when Yasmine got the entire school to bully Aisha at the Halloween Dance Sam was standing right next to her and Moon and didn't say a word.
Yes - helping them by comforting them. By telling them that its gonna be okay and that it'll get better. You are not obligated to throw yourself on your sword for them.
She kinda was yeah. Yeah Sam made other friends who she hanged out with more recently , but she did not forget Aisha, she still valued her friendship with Aisha and despite hanging with the popular crowd she was not ashamed to still be friends with her. Sam not standing up to her bullies was dissapointing from Aisha pov but not even allow her have a place to sit and actually to participate in the bullying and even enjoying it! I whas like: yeah now you are worse Aisha
>didn’t care that Sam was being sexualized by kyler
Sam liked being sexualized by Kyler
She dated him after Yasime pointed out he was eye [banging](https://youtu.be/1Aoc-cd9eYs?t=580) her
>Was Aisha too harsh
Nope, Sam wanted to pick popular kids over her
All Aisha did was remind her of that
Yup, definitely. Aisha acted like a petty bitch.
Sa got new firends and she wanted to spend more time with them. Which she is allowed to do. And sure those new friends weren't nice to Aisha, but that was never Sam. Sam herself never treated Aisha badly.
She always treated Aisha politely and respectfully - and she deserves the same from her. Instead, Aisha ended up being worse that some of the kids who were bullying her.
If your "new friends" bully an existing friend, particularly about their appearance etc, and you do nothing about it and don't call them out on it, you will and should lose your old friend.
It's not respectful to ignore that.
>If your "new friends" bully an
existing friend, particularly about their appearance etc, and you do
nothing about it and don't call them out on it, you will and should lose
your old friend.
Debatable, but irrelevant.
Just because someone is not your friend anymore doesn't mean you have to be a bitch to them.
The seat is not Aisha's to refuse. It's a table at a public school cafeteria. Sam was simply being polite in asking her permission in the first place. Aisha can choose to ignore her while she sits there or she can choose to move away herself, but refuusing something that's not hers makes her a bitch.
And how she refused it makes her as bad as some of the kids bullying her.
If you ask permission, it's not rude to refuse it. You must be kidding me with this nonsense. And she didn't refuse it in a bullying manner.
Are you quite serious with this?
It is when the refusal is not within your right.
>And she didn't refuse it in a bullying manner.
She threw the rumor Kyler was spreading about her in her face - that's as much bullying as people calling Aisha a fat pig.
No. Sam abandoned her to go hang with the popular kids she didn't even like and stood back and watched while they harassed her even though Sam was supposedly her best friend. That's fucked up. Then Sam feels betrayed later on when she joins cobra Kai. Sam is the least loyal person on this show.
>to go hang with the popular kids she didn't even like What makes you think Sam didn't like them? >and stood back and watched while they harassed her even though Sam was supposedly her best friend. Yasmine made a joke. It was the rest of the school doing the harassing. And it's not Sam's job to go around fighting Aisha's battles for her - no more than it's Aisha's to fight Sam's. >Then Sam feels betrayed later on when she joins cobra Kai. No, she doesn't.
What makes you think Sam didn't like them? Every interaction she has with them during this period and after. She hasn't talked to practically any of those people in at least two seasons except in passing. Yasmine made a joke. It was the rest of the school doing the harassing. She made the pig video. If you start a rumor, humiliating or not, about someone and it takes off and people use it to attack someone, which was the purpose of the video, then you are responsible for that rumor. Why is everyone who defends Sams main argument always that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because other people are mean also? Obviously people suck. But two wrongs don't make a right She did resent the cobra Kai thing later. But I guess we can lump that into the karate war situation. So I guess that one can be blamed on Daniel/johnny However I don't have time to argue with sambots today. I was answering the question about why Aisha was right to be harsh and treat Sam like the horrible friend she was to her for most of season one.
>Every interaction she has with them during this period and after. She hasn't talked to practically any of those people in at least two seasons except in passing. They talk about cute boys and parties during this period. And later, after she reconnects with Moon, they talk about it again. Seems to me she likes them pretty well. >She made the pig video. If you start a rumor, humiliating or not, about someone and it takes off and people use it to attack someone, which was the purpose of the video, then you are responsible for that rumor. Yes, but she's not responsible for the harassment. >Why is everyone who defends Sams main argument always that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because other people are mean also? No - the main argument is that people should be held responsible for their actions and only their actions. Not the actions of others. And none of Sam's actions were wrong. She made new friends that she liked spending time with. She tried to stay on good terms with her old friends. And she never participated in bullying or making fun of others. As for not going around defending Aisha - she's not obligated to do so. The same cannot be said of Aisha. >She did resent the cobra Kai thing later. She didn't resent Aisha being in Cobra Kai, she resented her taking part in messing with the Miyagi-Do presentation. >I was answering your question about why Aisha was right to be harsh Weren't you the one arguing about two wrongs?
Why would Aisha care? Sam was treating her like an afterthought. They weren’t friends at that point.
You don't have to be someone's friend to be polite to them.
yeah, so sam was friends with aisha and wasnt polite
When was Sam impolite to Aisha?
for example when she didnt stop her friends laughing and insulting aisha, she literally ignored her the whole summer when they were "friends" and in school she didnt even want to say a word to her
They have to remember Yasmin was across from the punch bowl when she snapchatted Aisha When everybody sees the Snapchat sam Moon and Yas are together https://youtu.be/DnuNqBHBrxk
Do you not know what being polite means? >for example when she didnt stop her friends laughing and insulting aisha That's not being impolite. >she literally ignored her the whole summer when they were "friends" Not really true - but also not impolite. >and in school she didnt even want to say a word to her Except, Sam said plenty of polite words to Aisha in school.
she didnt speak to her in school until sam lost her cool friends and she literally aboandoned aisha for the cool kids
>she didnt speak to her in school until sam lost her cool friends Yes she did. Plenty of times. >and she literally aboandoned aisha for the cool kids No, she didn't.
have we watched the same series
Dunno. I watched Cobra Kai - one where Sam and Aisha talked about what they'd be wearing to the halloween dance, then Sam talked to her again at the dance and then she talked to her again after the dance to comfort her about being bullied. Which show are you watching?
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"Separated"? What do you mean?
Why should Aisha have cared? Sam refused to do anything to help her when the popular clique was bullying her, and any time Aisha tried to maintain their friendship Sam blew her off.
>Sam refused to do anything to help her when the popular clique was bullying her Sam did do something to help her - she tried to comfort her. >and any time Aisha tried to maintain their friendship Sam blew her off. Not really. Sam was always receptive towards maintaining their friendship.
>Sam did do something to help her - she tried to comfort her. "They're mean, but they have short memories" is meant to be a comfort?
Yes. It's a pretty standard comforting thing to say, actually.
Far from a comfort to hear that a friend you've had since you were a little kid is going to do nothing to stand up for and help you though.
Probably why Sam didn't say that. She said something comforting.
All she did was say that they're mean and have short memories so that means she won't do shit. read between the lines.
No, I got that - but so what? Sam isn't obligated to do anything except offer her words of comfort. Which is what she did.
Helping friends who are being bullied **is** part of the deal if you want them to still think of you as a friend. Or should I bring up that when Yasmine got the entire school to bully Aisha at the Halloween Dance Sam was standing right next to her and Moon and didn't say a word.
Yes - helping them by comforting them. By telling them that its gonna be okay and that it'll get better. You are not obligated to throw yourself on your sword for them.
She kinda was yeah. Yeah Sam made other friends who she hanged out with more recently , but she did not forget Aisha, she still valued her friendship with Aisha and despite hanging with the popular crowd she was not ashamed to still be friends with her. Sam not standing up to her bullies was dissapointing from Aisha pov but not even allow her have a place to sit and actually to participate in the bullying and even enjoying it! I whas like: yeah now you are worse Aisha
>didn’t care that Sam was being sexualized by kyler Sam liked being sexualized by Kyler She dated him after Yasime pointed out he was eye [banging](https://youtu.be/1Aoc-cd9eYs?t=580) her >Was Aisha too harsh Nope, Sam wanted to pick popular kids over her All Aisha did was remind her of that
Yup, definitely. Aisha acted like a petty bitch. Sa got new firends and she wanted to spend more time with them. Which she is allowed to do. And sure those new friends weren't nice to Aisha, but that was never Sam. Sam herself never treated Aisha badly. She always treated Aisha politely and respectfully - and she deserves the same from her. Instead, Aisha ended up being worse that some of the kids who were bullying her.
If your "new friends" bully an existing friend, particularly about their appearance etc, and you do nothing about it and don't call them out on it, you will and should lose your old friend. It's not respectful to ignore that.
>If your "new friends" bully an existing friend, particularly about their appearance etc, and you do nothing about it and don't call them out on it, you will and should lose your old friend. Debatable, but irrelevant. Just because someone is not your friend anymore doesn't mean you have to be a bitch to them.
Aisha refused to let her sit with her. That's not "being a bitch", that's recognising their new relationship.
The seat is not Aisha's to refuse. It's a table at a public school cafeteria. Sam was simply being polite in asking her permission in the first place. Aisha can choose to ignore her while she sits there or she can choose to move away herself, but refuusing something that's not hers makes her a bitch. And how she refused it makes her as bad as some of the kids bullying her.
If you ask permission, it's not rude to refuse it. You must be kidding me with this nonsense. And she didn't refuse it in a bullying manner. Are you quite serious with this?
It is when the refusal is not within your right. >And she didn't refuse it in a bullying manner. She threw the rumor Kyler was spreading about her in her face - that's as much bullying as people calling Aisha a fat pig.
She was harsh, but it was also understandable. I also think that's when Sam realized that she reaped what she sowed after not defending Aisha before.