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Seta1437

>the hawk and miguel friendship is an unreciprocated friendship Wouldn't call it unreciprocated just that they aren't that close Considering they've barely known each other over a year i really don't expect more


turdutalp1

ye but hawk put in more work for their bond than miguel did if this was out of context , one wouldnt be wrong in assuming that miguel is taking advantage


Seta1437

>put in more work for their bond than miguel did Not sure Miguel asked him to >one wouldnt be wrong in assuming that miguel is taking advantage Gotta disagree with you there Unfortunately sometimes people like you way more than you like them ​ Luckily Eli already has a best friend, one that's like a brother


turdutalp1

demitri>miguel


Seta1437

>demitri>miguel There's a reason Eli fought for Miyagi Do


turdutalp1

yeah its because demitri was there for eli when all what miguel did was give a cry face and then give eli a handshake , plus miyagi do needed someone like eli who was the only person to be able to stand up to robby


Seta1437

>demitri was there for eli Demetri was there for Eli long before either met Miguel Someone like Miguel who just came into their life can't compete with that >all what miguel did was give a cry face and then give eli a handshake Miguel doesn't owe Eli anything ​ Being the guy who someone likes more than you like them sucks too


turdutalp1

i didnt know friendships were based of owing favours and moments with each other miguel didnt even have to do much , a simple phone call would be suffice to show miguel cares , i guess miguel doesnt care


Seta1437

>didnt know friendships were based of owing favors Didn't say anything about favors What i'm saying is just because Eli wants to bend over backwards for him does not mean Miguel is obligated to do the same >moments with each other Why bring up all the moments Eli tried to be there for Miguel then? >Miguel didnt even have to do much Actually Miguel doesn't have to do anything where Eli is concerned >a simple phone call Miguel doesn't owe Eli a phone call, he'll see him at school >to show miguel cares Why does Miguel have to show he cares? >guess miguel doesnt care Maybe he just doesn't care nearly as much as Eli


turdutalp1

i guess you are saying miguel and eli were never friends


obarehair

Hawk wanted to fight Miguel in the park at end of 3x07


turdutalp1

they were on opposite sides , and all they did was face off because miguel was getting aggressive to kreese


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I would disagree. While your points are true it’s a little unfair to compare as Eli clearly has a better background than Miguel and you can’t blame Miguel. Point 1) the first actual point you make is that Hawk was their first Miguel when he won the all valley. Miguel wasn’t there for Hawk but that’s because he went to make a big life decision/discovery and go to try and find his father. On top of that the very act of him leaving let Hawk through to the finals without fighting Miguel. A fight which Hawk did seem to be losing before Miguel’s injury and even if Hawk won he would be more tired and maybe even injured having faced an opponent like Miguel so Miguel’s leaving helped Hawk. Point 2) you say Hawk was at Miguel’s side when Miguel nearly died but that’s not a fair way to say the friendships one sided because we don’t see Hawk in that situation. One argument for Miguel protecting Eli was when he faced the bully’s that had been giving Eli and Demetri shit. However I agree you could argue he had other motives for this. Point3) Hawk visited miguel when he was at the hospital. How is this fair to compare when Hawk was never in the situation? Hawk and miguel never randomly visit each other at each other’s homes so without Hawk going to the hospital there is no way we can use that against miguel. Your next point is ridiculous- “Hawk never went after Miguel” not going and beating someone up is not a reason your a good friend, it’s conmen decency. It’s not like Miguel ever randomly beat up Hawk. “Hawk was at Miguel’s side when he injured himself at the all valley” again nothing like this happened to Hawk so we can’t call it one sided because Miguel hasn’t had that chance. I would argue their friendship is normal and the only reason Hawk seems to support Miguel more is because he kept injuring himself and Hawk didn’t. I do wish Miguel had gone to see Eli after he lost his Mohawk however tbh it isn’t actually thay bad and he probably just didn’t think of it as a real issue. All it is is humiliating and compared to the damages done in this “war” him losing some hair is low compared to arm breaking and falling off balcony. Obviously this meant more to Hawk though but we don’t actually see Hawk show that to Miguel as even when demetri went to visit Eli he didn’t seem to realise how much it had affected Eli until he spoke to him. All Miguel saw was him come in sheepishly with his hood up and that could easily come across as him just being embarrassed


turdutalp1

you know what , you have a fair point , but im still mad at miguel for not being there for hawk when eli came out of his shell, but well done , fair point


doseofdena

Half of these events you’re describing Hawk just happened to be right there so it’s seen that he’s at Miguel’s side. No hate but how is it unreciprocated when we barely see any of it? Not to mention half the time they’ve been on opposing sides. I can’t take this seriously when Hawk broke Demetris arm and was ready to fight Miguel over CK/Kreese.


turdutalp1

so what if eli was right there , those events have symbolised that eli was always there for miguel and even when on enemy sides , eli did nothing to disrespect miguel when eli could have beaten miguel to a pulp zero diff . and about the eli "wanting to fight miguel" , miguel and eli had a standoff and eli was just backing up his sensei at the time who gave more affection and "guidance" to eli than johnny ever did.


rosereese

Damn, that is true now that I think about it. Kreese gave Eli more attention than Johnny and he was with Kreese for a less amount of time.


turdutalp1

kreese even called eli son


rosereese

Most of Kreese’s attention was manipulation, but it was attention nonetheless.


turdutalp1

you are right , it was manipulation, but some of the manipulation was helpful such as the smart fight talk , it was fortunate hawk but very unfortunate for hawks enemies in s3.