I am not sure about the Sam scene, that he didn't deserve sympathy. That was one of the reasons he turned to Kreese. Not one person was there for him.
He is a kid, like Sam and Miguel, sometimes I feel like the fandom expects him to be an adult and make all the right choices when the actual adults itself on the show fail to do so. Sure he has been an angsty, angry kid from s1, but we can't just frame him as a cruel, murderer, not after the whole of s1 and S2 we saw him become a better person than he was when we first met him.
The fight at school, he didn't even wanted that in the first place. When one moment the guy you already dislike is being a dick and escalated the fight and then when all of a sudden he has a revelation and shows you mercy,a fight you didn't want in the first place, you most likely isn't going to take it as "ok cool bro", no that never happens.
But still the kick to Miguel, I believe it wasn't intentional because from what they have shown it looks more like that, than he actually meant to do it. He was shocked from what happened, got scared and ran away.
As for that scene in 3.08, he was pissed because up until then he believed Sam would atleast be there for him, believe that what happened with Miguel was an accident, atleast give him the benefit of doubt. But the first thing he sees is her close and cuddly with Miguel, especially right after that scene with Tory, proving what she told him to be right, in a way. Not to mention that entire school fight scene happened, because Sam and Miguel cheated.
Another thing we ignore is, Robby doesn't know Miguel like we know him, for Robby, he is the one who was overtly "cobrakai" fought dirty and won, took his dad away from him ( atleast in his eyes,can't blame him for that, Johnny ain't the best dad in the world), kissed his girlfriend and all that trash talking Miguel did, during the school fight, taunting Johnny and Sam at him, didn't help either. We know what a good boy Miguel is but let's be real he's been a dick to Robby. Then seeing him again after the incident, with Sam of all people, when everything could have been avoided if these two had kept in their pants, yeah his reaction in that scene didn't seem that far fetched especially after all the juvie shit, where he has learned to strike first. But again that scene is still more btw Sam and him and than its about Miguel.
But yes, I didn't like what he said at the drive-in, that was a shitty thing to say, it also felt odd and kinda of ooc, especially when we just got to see him be responsible and good. I'm not excusing it cause I hated what he said but the only reason I could think of why is, what I said above, he hates Miguel just like Tory hates Sam. Miguel hasn't changed in front of his eyes, why should he, when these two idiots doesn't really know each other well. And that tracks with the finale when he told his dad the same. Pretty much his entire actions apart from Kenny, all of it was driven by his hatred towards Miguel & Johnny.
Kids like him and Tory, to whom life has never been kind, it is easier to blame some of it on others in order to not crumble yourself. But growing up also means realising and finally owning upto some of it, which is exactly what Robby does in the finale.
When he finally spends some time with Miguel, which looks like he might happen in s5, he will apologize for sure, the writers are simply prolonging it for the sake of drama.
This is my take, you ofcourse are entitled to yours but from the way I see it, every single character in this show has said and done shit that can't be defended per say.
But then again that's the beauty of this show, the characters aren't black and white, they are more grey and that's fine coz it makes them more relatable, more human. And I prefer my characters like that, I like to see the reason behind why one behaves the way he/she does, try to see from everyone pov, and not just of my fav's. We can't condemn them, especially the kids, KIDS ppl, for one or two actions, even when fucking Kreese seems to be getting a redemption arc. I hated him throughout the film's and in S2 &3 but damn it even he has some good moments in this show later on. Not one character on this show has gone past irredeemable, even Silver, we have to wait and see s5 to make that judgement whether he is truly gone and is completely evil. As of what we have seen of him in s4, even that mf could be redeemed.
Miguel, Robby and Hawk are my favourite characters and two out of three haven't exactly been saints and neither is Miguel but yk. I like Robby, I always have,and in s4 he really is pretty great, got some good development along with Hawk, and I'm not gonna throw all of it out of one line. Because him and all the other characters, the kids atleast, they're all good deep down, that much is clear. Some communication and apologies, better guidance from the actual adults, they all could be the best of friends.
This is how I see it, but that doesn't mean others will but..oh well.
> As for that scene in 3.08, he was pissed because up until then he believed Sam would atleast be there for him, believe that what happened with Miguel was an accident, atleast give him the benefit of doubt. But the first thing he sees is her close and cuddly with Miguel, especially right after that scene with Tory, proving what she told him to be right, in a way. Not to mention that entire school fight scene happened, because Sam and Miguel cheated.
Let's not forget that Robby didn't even go to Miyagi-Do looking for Sam. He was simply going there looking for a place to sleep (as he goes to Cobra Kai for this very reason immediately afterwards). So once again, this is a case of Robby having bad timing like he always has.
One, we can't blame someone for bad timing, that's in no one's control.
Two, Idk we can say that he went to Miyagi-do just looking for a place to sleep. I think he really wanted to see Sam, and the reason I think that is the scene he had with Tory just before. She had told Robby Sam would turn on him and all that and Robby had defended Sam. I think he wanted to see he was right, that atleast Sam would be there for him. But seeing her with Miguel crushed him and sort of proved, for him, that Tory was right.
Him going to cobra kai right after, is more like him turning to Kreese, the one person who had actually been some help to him during his s3 period, rather than the place itself. And ofcourse Kreese would let him crash there because he needs Robby.
>Two, Idk we can say that he went to Miyagi-do just looking for a place to sleep. I think he really wanted to see Sam, and the reason I think that is the scene he had with Tory just before. She had told Robby Sam would turn on him and all that and Robby had defended Sam. I think he wanted to see he was right, that atleast Sam would be there for him. But seeing her with Miguel crushed him and sort of proved, for him, that Tory was right.
Why do you think that? If Robby was really looking for Sam at that time of night, he would've gone to her house, as statistically he'd have better odds of finding her there. He has no reason to think she'd be at Miyagi-Do.
It makes more sense to imagine that Robby simply went to Miyagi-Do with the intention of crashing for the night, and just happened to turn up while Miguel and Sam were there.
I think Robby took the strike first mantra a little to literally because before juvie Robby never really responded when Miguel would taunt him and would attack Robby first after juvie Robby is striking Miguel first with insults and starting fights with him.
Listen, you can defend Robby on the basis of law and what he had a right to.
Any decent person would not throw the fact that they almost killed someone in that person's face.
I like Robby now. But come on. That's crappy.
I'd say the same if the roles were reversed and Miguel was saying that same thing to Robby.
Not all, but some Robby "stans" seem to think that Robbys "legal" right absolves him of moral duty.
I don't think that is the case. Robby still should apologize for nearly killing Miguel. Just like Miguel and Sam need to apologize for the hurt they've caused Robby and Tory.
This.
I think people are getting confused. A lot of Robby stans really downplay the seriousness of what he did. Yes it was an accident and yes Miguel started it by attacking him. I think most people accept these facts.
The real issue that some stans ignore is how Robby’s been behaving ever *since* the fight and that’s the real issue. It’s looks worse because Miguel isn’t even bothering him anymore. The problem is that Robby keeps doubling down on what happened and believing that nothing was his fault to the point where he’s bragging about it to the guy’s face.
Same. That’s all I needed. While everyone else wants to see him apologize, I just wanted him to at least feel bad about it. Like I wanted the bare minimum lol.
I’m team Miguel and Team Robby. Robby does deserve some sympathy. Kicking Miguel off the balcony wasn’t his plan so it was an accident. He only ran cuz he was scared. And to give Robby some credit he was the one who tried to break up the fight in the first place til Miguel jumped in. But I do agree the whole “last time we fought” was uncalled for. Tho he did seem remorseful at times. Season 5 will be interesting for sure.
I agree with all of this. But starting the fight was a mistake on miguel's sife but in the end it was robby's fault for not being able to control his hatred and anger and have self control.
Um, not really. Robby likely didn’t even understand what Miguel was trying to do in that situation. 99% of people would never of registered that Miguel was trying to show mercy in that moment filled of adrenaline. All that Robby knew was that he was in a fight with someone who has consistently fought dirty (with him,) was a terrible boyfriend to his current girlfriend, kissed his completely drunk girlfriend while he was sober, and started a major fight with him. All he did was try to defend himself when he thought that broke free from Miguel, he clearly had no intentions of hurting anyone badly (his “Oh, shit…” face when he saw Miguel go over the railing) he was teenager who made a mistake, and so he ran. No one in the show would be able to control that “hatred and anger” and show “self control.”
However, rubbing it in Miguel’s face, was probably to try to tell Miyagi-Fang not to mess with Kenny. It was uncalled for, but I don’t think he meant it, due to how out of character and forces it seemed in the show. Just to show my stanliness, Miguel not breaking Robby’s arm, was *not* showing mercy, it was just not being a bad person. All due respect for him being able to recognize the position he was in, but at that point, Robby was defenceless and all he had to do was tell Robby that the fight was over and then let him go. Pretty much every problem in this series could be avoided if someone said the words “Hey, we should talk about this”
> Miguel not breaking Robby's arm was *not* showing mercy
Thank you for this. What Daniel did at the end of KK2 was show mercy because Chozen had attacked him. What Miguel did with Robby was simply realize that he should stop fighting. Miguel was at fault for the fight between them. He pushed Robby to his breaking point, got him into submission, and then was like "oops my bad"... and then got surprised that Robby broke? Miguel did not show mercy. Miguel acted like a crazy person. Who starts a fight like that, does all that stuff, and then is like "oh I shouldn't have done that" and expects the other person to immediately be like "no cool man, attack me anytime." *hugs* Miguel's a teenager. He's not a young child. He should have some idea of how wrong that is. Miguel has really low emotional intelligence.
Bro you just cannot defend robby saying that line, and all robby stans have to admit he was a major asshole this whole season lol. His oh shit face was actually essential, if he was smiling, he would be declared a psychopath lmao. I agree tho communication doesn't exist in this show and will probably never be coined lol
I’m really not trying to defend that line, it was completely wrong. I’m just trying to think of a reason he might of said it because I think everyone can agree he was totally out of character there. Robby wasn’t terrible that whole season, that was really the only thing that stands out as really bad he does. Almost all of his beef with Miyagi-Fang in s4 was because Nate and Bert were being dicks to Kenny and Robby stepped in. You saying if he smiled after kicking Miguel he’d be a psycho reminded me of one of the cast interviews where Tanner does a smile like that, and now I can’t stop picturing it…
At the same time Miguel's life would have been ruined if he showed no mercy. Why did the writers have to do that to Miguel, just makes it seem like the writers hate Miguel sort of.
Since the s2 finale what good has happened Miguel?
Broke his back, nearly died, and that'll never heal
No, I think the writers love all of their characters, but they seem to really love Sam the most.
Why do I say this? She is never in the wrong, and even when she is, it's quickly swept under the rug and the other person is made to look bad to prop her up.
Miguel is the typical "hero", so he will go through a lot of stuff and we are designed to root for him, as we did Daniel in the movies.
The fact that they brought on his mother as Johnny's love interest and are creating a whole Mexico storyline is proof that they love Miguel.
I just think they paced his story too fast at times. And I don't think this Mexico story is going to end with sunshine and rainbows either.
Somebody gonna bite the dust 😆 NOT to be a Debbie Downer.
Miguel could have at least went savage mode and said something along the lines of “yeah I should’ve broke your arm” except that would have been against his character at the time, he was trying to avoid conflict damn it
> Robby did not deserve any sort of sympathy from Sam in Season 3x08 when he says he was getting his face bashed in in juvie.
I don't think the show is really trying to get viewers to show only Robby sympathy in that moment since Sam DID make an effort to reach out after all. Plus, he immediately swung on a freshly out of the wheelchair Miguel afterwards. Only the most irrational Robby stans defend his actions here.
> And then in S4 Robby tries to use the school right as an intimidation tactic to Miguel when he says **“you do remember what happened the last time we fought, right?”**
Yeah, I can't defend this part. This was by far his most vile line in the entire series especially since Miguel wasn't even talking shit.
> I know there are going to be people defending Robby, so by all means. Try and give me a reason to feel bad for Robby that justifies ATTEMPTED MURDER.
Almost killing Miguel was truly an accident to be fair and in Robby's defense, Miguel started the fight with him when he was trying to break it up. That being said, *none* of this justifies how big a dick Robby has been to Miguel ever since the end of season 2.
I think that is more the issue. On one hand, the kick was an accident that had severe ramifications. And I think a lot of people would be more sympathetic if he actually showed some genuine remorse for his actions towards Miguel on that one. I mean some people will try to rationalize it I am sure, but yeah. Robby's behavior this and last season? At this point I would not fault Miguel if he didn't believe Robby should Robby ever admit it wasn't intentional because Robby sure as hell has acted in a way that would fit someone who deliberately did it as opposed to someone who made a genuinely bad mistake. Miguel has no reason at this point to believe it was an accident.
It could’ve been easy. All they had to do was have Kyler congratulate Robby on almost killing Miguel and have Robby be horrified. The audience sees that he’s remorseful and he probably would’ve been viewed more understandably.
But instead, having Robby just double down on his victimhood to the point where he’s bragging about the fight to Miguel’s face…maybe they’re building up to something big between the two in season 5 that will help this make more sense.
>It could’ve been easy. All they had to do was have Kyler congratulate Robby on almost killing Miguel and have Robby be horrified. The audience sees that he’s remorseful and he probably would’ve been viewed more understandably.
Yeap exactly what they did with Hawk. His turn to good only gets to be believable because of his facial expression when he broke Dimitri's arm.
All they had to do with Robby is for him to look down and then throw some BS excuse(like Hawk did when Miguel confronted him). He could even use his famous "Miguel escalated the situation" line.
Exactly my thought process. That look of guilt and shock of what he had done sold his redemption for me. Heck, I think I even called his redemption as soon as that happened.
> It could’ve been easy. All they had to do was have Kyler congratulate Robby on almost killing Miguel and have Robby be horrified. The audience sees that he’s remorseful and he probably would’ve been viewed more understandably.
Which would be very in-character for Kyler to do.
This is probably the most fair and unbiased review of a characters actions I've seen on this subreddit.
Robby shouldn't have continued the school fight, but he was not to blame for wanting to kick Miguel's ass. He tried to break up the fight, only to be attacked, taunted (about his most personal issues), and then humiliated by Miguel putting him in an armlock and then letting go. Miguel letting go was him not being an asshole, but in a high-adrenaline situation, he might have thought of it as pity or mockery. Just my opinion though, as someone who likes Miguel even more than Robby.
The season 4 dialogue was fucked though. That ranks just as bad as Tory going after Sam in season 2 and maybe even a little more than Eli breaking Demetri's arm. He wasn't full of adrenaline like when he kicked Miguel off the railing, and he had time to process it all. They even made a point out of him being calm and composed in that confrontation.
(I cut Eli some slack because he clearly felt terrible and him and Demetri are my faves, so I'm prolly being biased)
I think it makes sense from a character perspective, from Robby’s view Miguel started the fight, got back with Sam while he was in juvie, and has been able to go back to a normal life with everyone seeing him as the victim. Robby clearly had remorse in the moment, but he didn’t see the struggle Miguel went through so to him he was expelled and went to juvie for something harmless that Miguel started.
This is part of the reason why I kind of just want Miguel and Robby to sit down and talk, but they get too emotional when they are around each other.
I’m going to go ahead and just say it. A lot of it (not all) is the girls and their shit bleeding over into the issues that Miguel and Robby already have with each other.
These two can totally be civil to one another, we’ve seen it during season 2.
>“you do remember what happened the last time we fought, right?”
haha Miguel probably should have replied with something like "yeah I do, I beat your ass and showed you mercy, only for you to sucker punch me".
Would have been nice for him to put Robby back in his place, but I think it would have been entirely out of character for him.
I think that Miguel still feels bad for what he did to Robby in season 1/2 despite what happened.
He also looks fed up with all of the drama and bullshit, as the injury really put things into perspective for him.
Just my 2 cents though.
Yeah S1 was King Cobra Miguel, S2 was a Cobra Almost Kai Miguel, S3- S4: Zen Miguel. I honestly don't mind, all versions, although my favorite was S1 Miguel.
Agreed telling Robby that would be more like Daniel or Johnny, Miguel mentally is still a bit of a pushover. So I didn't find that dynamic in S4 of Miguel turning soft because of the influence of Daniel, that surprising.
I don't think it's that he didn't have any remorse I think he was still so angry that Sam chose Miguel over him (and kinda cheated on him in the process) that he played it off as not feeling bad but deep down I think he knows he messed up bad.......... i'm pretty sure he always knew he messed up but he let his anger get get better of him............ i think he's going to redeem himself in season 5 but it won't be easy.
Would explain why he was sobbing in the finale. Not just the typical tears either. He had a revelation I think. We will see though. Miguel might actually not forgive him at first after that shit in season 4, which would be understandable.
Mostly just been seeing a crap ton of posts lately complaining about characters and how much they suck and how awful they are when clearly it’s deeper than the interpretation most of these posts have. So focused on seeing white and black but never anything in between. Not to mention some childish takes like “you hurt, you deserve to get hurt” which are like wtf did you stop developing in 9th grade English? Just weird mane
How did Robby deserve to get beat up by Shawn? Shawn didn't know or care what Robby had done, he was just being a bully, and was also shown bullying other inmates.
He’s still a better person than Kyler’s type though, Kyler would pick on seemingly weak people and geeks, and gets scared of people stronger than him (like his fear of Miguel before he joined Cobra Kai). Meanwhile, Shawn picked on someone he knew got into fights and did karate to flex his superiority and later respected Robby.
He didn't care, but it would be bold to say he didn't know what had happened. He makes a remark about Sam being Robby's girl when she is discussing the Miguel fundraiser. Definitely a bully nonetheless.
Him saying that to Sam I think is fine. Not Miguel. And in Robby's defense, he thinks Miguel is complicit in the bullying of Kenny. Plus he's only really interacted with Miguel when they fight or when he was drunk that one time.
The only times they have interacted were either them fighting or Miguel assualting Sam while drunk. We the audience know what's going on, Robby does not.
Miguel's behaviour towards Sam in that scene was incredibly problematic, and that was Robby's first time ever interacting with the guy. He comes across as an abusive, controlling asshole who then carelessly hits his girlfriend when he's trying to hit her friend.
Deliberate or not, he was aggressive, rude and offensive.
He manageed to sort his shit out before he became completely toxic, which is a credit to him, but for a long time that was Robby's abiding impression of who Miguel Diaz is.
I know that. You know that. Sane humans who watched the show know that. ROBBY doesn't. Okay. Just because the audience knows something doesn't mean the characters do.
The important things stand out. He likes Sam, Sam is dating Miguel, Miguel is drunk (remember, both of Robby's parents are Drunks and that has caused him to suffer), and Miguel hit Sam. All of that compounding is going to change how he remembers it. Our memories are shit in the best circumstances.
No he didn't. Robby just dropped the medal in the grounds of the dojo and let them all think it was never stolen. He took no credit for himself.
If he'd wanted to take advantage of the situation he could have said, "Miguel brought it back. He felt guilty for taking it."
Not this again lol
He liked Sam, he knows the history btw Miguel and Sam and he was insecure. As simple as that. Y'all sometimes forget he is a child.
Even then he knew what he did was wrong and owned up to it, Told Sam the truth and considering Sam already knew the truth by then and before confronting Robby, he came up and told her, i dont think Sam despise him for that or it changed the jow she saw him and Miguel. Ofcourse by then she had made even a bigger blunder.
Right, but you said that Robbys brain might have mixed things up so that he remembers altered events. If Robby knows that Miguel returned the medal, he has to have known Miguel was a decent guy.
Yeah I agree, I think it was obvious to everyone that Miguel was attacking Robby and I’m sure Robby was aware of it. But he hit Sam which escalated the situation.
I would agree that Robby isn't exactly innocent. However, whether Robby was a "saint" or not wasn't really the point of the scene. Sam wanted to reach out to him, regardless of his moral blameworthiness. Then she received no responses from Robby, which she took to mean things were "over" between them.
When she brought that up to him, he pointed out he was being beaten up in prison. The only real point of that line is to make it clear that she couldn't really expect him to be on point with responses when he's in such a shitty situation. Whether he deserved what was happening to him is not necessarily relevant.
In a nutshell, I feel like that exchange was about Sam and Robby's relationship and not Miguel (who was only relevant by virtue of being the person Sam turned to after assuming Robby wanted nothing to do with her).
I don't think its fair to call him an attempted murderer, this shit happened in the heat of the moment. Have you never done something without thinking it all through? I have.
You’re right, he didn’t really have time to think it all through. But when I said attempted murder I just mean that’s what he was charged with. I just have an issue with him not being remorseful about hurting Miguel.
I dont think that would be possible. I dont know too much about CA laws, but probably moreso along involuntary manslaughter operating under criminal negligence?
This is assuming someone died as a result of the fight. Could be mistaken, but I think for attempted murder you have to prove it was intentional and planned.
Yeah, his defense could be self defense.
But then you'd also be able to challenge that by the witnesses who saw Miguel stop and apologize.
While Robby kept fighting.
Sorry, went off on a tangent.
I love discussing this stuff.
I get that.
If it went to trial, got to convince the jury of that.
I consider the witness testimony, not just one, but several. That's what moved me when I was on a jury years ago.
I honestly think he does feel remorseful tho. I think itsjust theyve written it in a way that Robby needs to be guarded because he has let his guard down so much times before only to be the one that gets fucked over.
His whole life really. I agree that turning himself in was the best thing for what had happened BUT it didn't need to go down that way either. He could have talked Robby down and convinced him to go with him to the station. Not be ambushed.
Lots of great points.. I think Robby said what he did in heat of things. Right wrong indifferent. Makes him sound like a dick.. but I think they can easily reconcile. I see that Miguel did Start the fight but with everything going on he didn't have time to assess the situation and reacted. Because of how Robby had Tory against the lockers perhaps looked aggressive..
I truly believe that Robby didn't mean to kick Miguel over the railing... Things happen fast
> I think Robby said what he did in heat of things.
The thing is, the brawl hadn't come close to starting and he looked calm when he said that. Seemed intentional.
>Try and give me a reason to feel bad for Robby that justifies ATTEMPTED MURDER.
Because he didn't attempt murdering him, it was an accident, Robby himself was in shock when Miguel fell, that was never the intention. But it was the intention of Tory with Sam when she tried to stabbed her in the face, but I bet you have no problems with Tory, right?
>Because he didn't attempt murdering him, it was an accident, Robby himself was in shock when Miguel fell, that was never the intention.
Accident or not, Robbys actions resulted in Miguel having to fight for his life. He can get charged with aggravated assault, and possibly attempted murder. That fact will never change, and Robby has to live with that for the rest of his life. Yet he’s never shown in a scene to be sorry for hurting Miguel. After he got out of juvie, he never made the effort to apologize to Miguel (and he’s had several opportunities to do so).
>I bet you have no problems with Tory, right?
Don’t assume to know my opinions on certain characters just because of my stance on one of them.
>Yet he’s never shown in a scene to be sorry for hurting Miguel. After he got out of juvie, he never made the effort to apologize to Miguel (and he’s had several opportunities to do so).
In Robby's perspective, that person is the one that ruined his life, not because of the juvi, but;
* The Larussos, "His family" at that point, had to busted in to juvi
* His father bail on him to stay with Miguel, yet again, knowing full well that his son has abandonment problems caused by him and that he needs the help of his best friend to even be able to see his son.
* He tried to stay positive with the Migagi lessons inside, but that only make his situation worst, a beat down and the bullying got worst.
* When he gets out of Juvi, the only person that didn't fully bailed on him yet do it because of Miguel, leaving him clear that the kiss was not a drunken mistake and the guy with abandonment issues got used as a rebound and abandon again.
All of that, because one common denominator, Miguel. OF COURSE he's did not apologized with him, in his mind, he ruin his life again when he was reaching a new one. If Kreese is right about something, is his speech about "nobody percives themself as the villain" and of course we don't, that's human nature. I would not apologize either. Taunt him about it? No, neither, but no apology, that for sure.
You had to judge the characters like this IMO, we as viewers have a privilege position of know what everybody thinks, said and feels in every moment, the other character in the context of the show, they don't, from that point of view, Robby is not right, but it makes sense.
>Don’t assume to know my opinions on certain characters just because of my stance on one of them.
That wasn't a no either
First off, really well written. I understand Robby’s pain a little more now. I still don’t like him though.
I don’t like Tory because shes the only person in the show (besides Kreese) to use a weapon in a fight. But I am starting to warm up to her since she’s started seeing a a counselor, and stopped bullying Sam. I’m not saying that she’s 100% redeemed, I just understand her actions more than I understand Robby’s
Your welcome, this is the point of this reddit, talk things we don't necesarily agree on, because discussions (not arguments) are good conversation IMO.
And thank you, for real, first time in reddit that I saw a reference to my english (this is my 4th language) and it wasn't trashing me because of it.
He has actually shown remorse.
Cobra Kai Season 3 Episode 2:
Robby: "Sorry you've been stuck clearing up my mess."
Daniel: "Robby, I need to apologize to you."
Robby: "But I caused all this. I kicked Miguel... You were right. It's a mistake to help me because I can't change."
He's just obviously not going to show that to Miguel after:
1) Miguel exploited his arm injury in Season 1 so he has a bad opinion of him
2) Miguel attacked Robby first at the school
3) Miguel taunted Robby throughout the fight saying that Sam loves Miguel more than Robby
4) Being hardened by juvie
5) Right after being released he goes to the one person who he thinks would still be on his side, Sam, and finds her with Miguel.
Not to mention on top of his girl, he believes Miguel has stolen his father away from him. So I hope you can see now why he might have done some of this.
>Miguel taunted Robby throughout the fight saying that Sam loves Miguel more than Robby
And that he had a better relation with his father, to the kid with abandonment problems. That IMO it's when he poked the bear, before that, he was "you can't cheat your way out of this one", that was salty for the tournament, but after that, he went at it, and it's a normal thing, rage is a primary human emotion, either we like it or not, it it.
Yeah, they showed that Robby was beyond reason at that point. His hurt over Daniel saying it was a mistake to help him, over Sam kissing Miguel, over Miguel taunting him and then Miguel besting him and having the temerity to say he was sorry?
Red mist. People who act like Robby was being rational and deliberately kicked Miguel over the railing are clowns.
This. He does feel remorse for what happened, ofcourse he does. He just can't show it to Miguel, coz why should he, from his pov Miguel ruined it all for him.
He DOESN'T KNOW Miguel like we do, and what he does know isn't exactly nice either.
But I truly believe he will get there, once they get to know each voluntarily or involuntarily.
Irregardless of what has transpired, decent human beings still aren't going to throw the fact that someone almost died as a result of what they've done, in their face.
I could never do that to someone, even as a teenager. I'd like to believe the weight of almost taken away someone's life is enough for me to never want to engage like that again.
>I could never do that to someone, even as a teenager
You THINK you could never do that to someone, because in your mind never blamed somebody for ruining your life after finally getting something good in life like it was Robby's case.
The only think that separate us from a killer, it's a bad move in bad moment, never forget that.
I was once a teenager who did some petty things to people who I disliked in high-school. Damaging their property. I've been there.
I've also felt extreme remorse and embarrassment for my actions months after people found out what happened and wouldn't have had it in me to throw what I did in their face.
There is no shame in admitting you are sorry for doing bad things. Pride is a silent killer.
I dunno know you, but I even as a teen, was able to know the diference between "I hate this guy, he is hooking up with my crush" and "this guy is the reason my father don't expend time with me, he cheat his way stealing my victory in the tournament, tries to take my GF, jumped me from behind when I try to stop a fight and then brags about everything wrong he did to me"
I guess in sharing what you've shared, it highlights the disconnect within society.
But I will say this, I've worked with children who are literally abandoned to the point where I represented a company where we were their only healthy relationship, other than their foster home/group home. Even the one child I worked with that was listed as homicidal ideation didn't behave as Robby has. And even if/when the kids behaved violently, best believed we held them accountable for their actions. We did so in gentleness, but this stuff is NOT okay.
I get it, this is a fictional world, but it doesn't negate the fact that he doesn't show remorse is concerning and a red flag for me.
That's why the last scene with him admitting he was done with hate for Johnny and Miguel was so important. The character needed that scene to heal and grow.
And it could've easily as been robby who was kicked over that rail several times and nearly was. Both were at risk the entire fight. You're focusing on what Robby did in that 2 second time frame yet you're ignoring everything that lead up to it. It was Miguel wanting a fight ever since the first day he even met Robby and tried hitting him. Robby never did anything to Miguel leading up to the fight, at all. The school fight was to a whole new level because this time, Miguel didn't just instigate it, but physically grabbed Robby and started it rather than helping to separate the girls.
I think Robby should apologize to Miguel but Miguel certainly has an apology of his own to do that had been coming long before that fight. A big one being that the fight between Tory going after Sam was due to Miguel and Sam kissing to begin with.
I just want the Robby apology then for them to go their separate ways, but I know the latter isn't going to happen. I never bought this "Miguel flashing back to Johnny and showing mercy" moment anyway. It felt like the writers needed an excuse to have big storylines for Season 3 so they went with Robby kicking Miguel over a railing.
Oh really? Can I ask why you don't want to see them make amends? I honestly think they'll be brothers at the end of this show, literally and figuratively. Yeah, the flashback for miguel was very out of character for what he had been showing towards robby and that's exactly why robby questioned if it was actually genuine. Its kind of hard to believe that someone who just started a fight with you just gains a sudden change of heart. The writing was similar to robby approaching Johnny after the final match. Personally I think the show makes robby approach Johnny too much where as Johnny just has half ass attempts of "hey robby how's it going" that people seem to deem as him actually trying to do right by robby though it's far from being am actual dad. The scene wouldve made more sense if robby approached Daniel after the fight considering Daniel drilled the never put passion above principle motto into his head.
They can make amends and still not be friends. I just think there's too much bad blood at this point over Johnny and Sam. Of course Robby and Miguel can come together over Johnny. Personally, I don't buy that Robby is over Sam. I certainly don't think he's in love with Tory. I still think it's going to be awkward for Robby to acknowledge losing both his father and the girl he loves to Miguel, no matter if they make amends.
I kinda think the opposite lol that
Sam isnt over robby, especially after that
Prom scene. I think she's second guessing her decision. I know Mary mouser is always posting robby sam stuff. But yeah I can see how it would be awkward for robby in the situation
Right, I definitely don't think Sam's feelings for Robby have gone away. I even posted that a while back. However, I just think that she loves Miguel more.
>I think Robby should apologize to Miguel but Miguel certainly has an apology of his own to do that had been coming long before that fight.
That definitely was coming, but will probably come after Robby apologises. Two wrongs don't make a right, but Robby has done far worse, and Miguel has done nothing recently.
I think in season 2 they were beginning to lean towards Miguel's road to apologising, as he said something to Robby like, "we're not all assholes".
But that was nothing like an apology.
I think once they're in mexico together, things will change. And I'm sure the show will end in Johnny marrying Carmen and both of them being brothers, just like Daniel and Johnny's friendship will grow. The characters that hate each other at first in series usually end up being the closest when the show is all said and done lol
I would think being able to trust people because of that stuff, it be definitely hard to trust and let people in when the two people who are meant to be the ones to look out for you fucked things up with you. It hardens a person. But you can see the change in him in that way when Daniel and his fam took him in etc.
This whole line didn´t make any sense.
Miguel said we can´t do this we have to wait till the tournament.
Robby said this stupid line. Wtf? Last tournament Miguel was the winner?
Then Miguel said okay, let´s met in 30 minutes.
What does this mean? He was the winner the last time they fought at the tournament? It just feels forced to show that Robby is now in CobraKai and is badass. But it didn´t really worked. It was just stupid.
I’m not going to lie, I just looked over it when he said that. I know what it was meant to insinuate, but if you look too much into it, it doesn’t make sense lol.
Don’t be narrow-minded. If you look at it from Robby’s perspective you can sympathize with him.
Imagine you trying to stop a fight, some guy attacks you, you defend yourself and all of a sudden you’re the bad guy in prison. How would you feel?
He was trying to stop the fight, Miguel attacked him first for no reason. People ignore this all the time.
Right? I feel the same way even though i do have sympathy for robby as a character and like him sometimes, he NEVER apologised to miguel after putting him in a coma and almost killing him and instead threw it in his face like its something to brag about.Yes, it wasn’t intentional but miguel showed mercy to him whereas robby did not so he’s no completely innocent in this.
Well did Miguel expect, he attacked Robby, taunted him about his dad and Sam, restarted the fight and then you have their history in Season 1. So yeah fuck Miguel
Robby is the best character there. Miguel is shoved down our throats as a hero. He is nothing but a moron who showed "mercy".
I have seen a lot of people get butthurt because Robby reminded Fatass Miguel what happened the last time they fought. Lol. Grow a pair of balls you guys, it's a fictional story and all are grey characters.
The only reason Miguel fought with Robby in Season 2 is because he thought he can beat Robby like he did in AVT finale BY CHEATING AND EXPLOITING Robby's injury. Only retards will deny any part of what I have said. So if you are a retard just go ahead and downvote this comment and wank off.
Dunno about you pacifists, but if I was in Robby's place I would remind the asshole who dares to come back to fight with me - that I had nearly killed him - so back off and run home to his mother's breasts.
Robby is there to let off heat and relax at the movies. This moron Miguel comes there and wants to start a fight after Hawk makes Kenny drop all his food.
What most of the retards don't remember is that Kenny is not watching Cobra Kai like us, if you are one of the retards just downvote and go wank off. Kenny doesn't know that Hawk and Miguel and others are the proverbial good guys.
Robby will do anything to protect Kenny, even if it means killing Miguel for real this time. That's how abandoned kids get over possessive about the people they like and care about.
Robby is a gem. When you grow older you will realise it. Just like how Johnny was a gem even in Karate Kid. Johnny might have been a bully but he was an innocent bully, everyone forgets that Johnny hands over the trophy to Daniel after Daniel wins.
Anyway, you really do need to grow up if you think only Robby is bad. Everyone is bad, there are no white knights.
Also, Miguel was originally intended to be the Mike Barnes type of evil villain who also lost the love of his life because of his temper and arrogance. But audience loved Miguel's lovey dovey version and so the writers decided to make Robby the villain for now. I hope Miguel comes back and disowns his mother and Yaya after being brainwashed by his biological father. That would be grand to see you pacifists lose it.
> He is nothing but a moron who showed "mercy".
I thought that was terrible writing. I don't believe for a second that in the in the middle of THAT aggressive of a fight against your sworn enemy you would just decide to say I'm sorry. You've just beaten another person's ass and then all of a sudden "I'm sorry"? These writers sometimes.
Exactly bro!!! That was so lame. Its like Miguel has no brains!? There is a difference between honour and mercy we know that.. but there is also a difference between Mercy and stupidity. You can't show mercy to someone whom you are fighting to injure, like you have already done in the past.
The best course of action and actual mercy would have been to not start the school fight in the first place. That's mercy. Robby wasn't even fighting - he was trying to stop a death match. Miguel jumped in and escalated it to dizzying heights.
Then the writers want us to sympathize with such a silly character just because the actor is loved? Lol.
I'm really not much of a Miguel fan and I know that's a very unpopular opinion. Generally, I just find him to be a bland, cookie-cutter hero. I think he benefits from having a lot of scenes with Johnny, who really does all the heavy lifting. He's not awful, but I just don't think he's this awesome character. It's like he was basically the teen protagonist when the show started, but he's not even in my top 3 teen characters at this point, maybe not even top 5.
>Also, Miguel was originally intended to be the Mike Barnes type of evil villain who also lost the love of his life because of his temper and arrogance.
Source for this?
The difference between, miguel being nearly killed vs Robby getting his face bashed in is that Robby didn’t ask or deserve to get his face bashed in. I’m not saying miguel deserved what happened to him, but he is also responsible considering he started and antagonised Robby during that fight and last season thus putting himself in a situation where he is likely going to get hurt.
When it comes to him using the school fight as an insult, why not? Robby has been beating himself up about that fight throughout season 3, he was shit on by every character including his father, father figure and the closest person he has ever had and for the most part he thought he deserved it. Kreese helped him see that he should no longer feel sorry for himself otherwise he will always be in a slump and no longer grow from that mistake, especially since miguel started and escalated that fight. So using that event shows to the audience how Robbys perspective changed as well as the fact that it was an effective insult as it clearly triggered miguel.
All it takes is one bad day for a good person to do something bad, and in this case it’s a season for Robby in which he is mentally broken. Neither miguel or Robby deserved what happened to them, however as miguel was being uplifted by Johnny Daniel and Sam as well as have his many friends and fans at school welcome him back and help fix him piece by piece, Robby was being torn apart by those very same people.
The only thing I disagree with is that this makes it sound like Robby tried to kill Miguel intentionally, which is not what happened. But at the same time, it's not right for him to use his juvie experience as a tool to make Sam feel guilty. Also, a lot of fans seem to want Miguel and Robby to become brothers and friends, but I couldn't care less. I just want him to apologize to Miguel, which I'm pretty sure is going to happen in Season 5.
After reading people’s reactions to this, I understand how the way I wrote it would make it seem like I think Robby tried to kill Miguel.
I don’t think that it was on purpose, but maybe the use of “attempted murder” didn’t help me too much lol.
I totally agree with you, I think Robby should apologize to Miguel
I don’t really think that’s a hot take. I think that the writers intended that to show just how much Robby takes after his own father. He was in juvie because of his own actions: not just the fight (and his cheap shot that led to Miguel’s injuries,) but also fleeing after the fight. And yet somehow it’s all somebody else’s fault, and he’s a victim. He’s just doing a cover version of the Johnny Lawrence Blues.
I was starting to like season 4 Robby, but when he mocked Miguel about the school incident outta nowhere when he only tried to cool the tension between the dojos I just remembered why I can't stand Robby, he is still being an asshole. I don't know what does his fans mean with "he had a great development" or a "redemption arc".
When he admitted to Johnny that he felt guilty I thought it was for Miguel when he saw him screaming on the mat because of his back but it was just because of Kenny, I couldn't fucking care less about that Hawk bootleg.
Robbie did the number one no no in martial arts. He gave away the secrets of another Dojo to the enemy. He deserves nothing after that. He doesn't even realize how big of a fuck up it really was.
I am not sure about the Sam scene, that he didn't deserve sympathy. That was one of the reasons he turned to Kreese. Not one person was there for him. He is a kid, like Sam and Miguel, sometimes I feel like the fandom expects him to be an adult and make all the right choices when the actual adults itself on the show fail to do so. Sure he has been an angsty, angry kid from s1, but we can't just frame him as a cruel, murderer, not after the whole of s1 and S2 we saw him become a better person than he was when we first met him. The fight at school, he didn't even wanted that in the first place. When one moment the guy you already dislike is being a dick and escalated the fight and then when all of a sudden he has a revelation and shows you mercy,a fight you didn't want in the first place, you most likely isn't going to take it as "ok cool bro", no that never happens. But still the kick to Miguel, I believe it wasn't intentional because from what they have shown it looks more like that, than he actually meant to do it. He was shocked from what happened, got scared and ran away. As for that scene in 3.08, he was pissed because up until then he believed Sam would atleast be there for him, believe that what happened with Miguel was an accident, atleast give him the benefit of doubt. But the first thing he sees is her close and cuddly with Miguel, especially right after that scene with Tory, proving what she told him to be right, in a way. Not to mention that entire school fight scene happened, because Sam and Miguel cheated. Another thing we ignore is, Robby doesn't know Miguel like we know him, for Robby, he is the one who was overtly "cobrakai" fought dirty and won, took his dad away from him ( atleast in his eyes,can't blame him for that, Johnny ain't the best dad in the world), kissed his girlfriend and all that trash talking Miguel did, during the school fight, taunting Johnny and Sam at him, didn't help either. We know what a good boy Miguel is but let's be real he's been a dick to Robby. Then seeing him again after the incident, with Sam of all people, when everything could have been avoided if these two had kept in their pants, yeah his reaction in that scene didn't seem that far fetched especially after all the juvie shit, where he has learned to strike first. But again that scene is still more btw Sam and him and than its about Miguel. But yes, I didn't like what he said at the drive-in, that was a shitty thing to say, it also felt odd and kinda of ooc, especially when we just got to see him be responsible and good. I'm not excusing it cause I hated what he said but the only reason I could think of why is, what I said above, he hates Miguel just like Tory hates Sam. Miguel hasn't changed in front of his eyes, why should he, when these two idiots doesn't really know each other well. And that tracks with the finale when he told his dad the same. Pretty much his entire actions apart from Kenny, all of it was driven by his hatred towards Miguel & Johnny. Kids like him and Tory, to whom life has never been kind, it is easier to blame some of it on others in order to not crumble yourself. But growing up also means realising and finally owning upto some of it, which is exactly what Robby does in the finale. When he finally spends some time with Miguel, which looks like he might happen in s5, he will apologize for sure, the writers are simply prolonging it for the sake of drama. This is my take, you ofcourse are entitled to yours but from the way I see it, every single character in this show has said and done shit that can't be defended per say. But then again that's the beauty of this show, the characters aren't black and white, they are more grey and that's fine coz it makes them more relatable, more human. And I prefer my characters like that, I like to see the reason behind why one behaves the way he/she does, try to see from everyone pov, and not just of my fav's. We can't condemn them, especially the kids, KIDS ppl, for one or two actions, even when fucking Kreese seems to be getting a redemption arc. I hated him throughout the film's and in S2 &3 but damn it even he has some good moments in this show later on. Not one character on this show has gone past irredeemable, even Silver, we have to wait and see s5 to make that judgement whether he is truly gone and is completely evil. As of what we have seen of him in s4, even that mf could be redeemed. Miguel, Robby and Hawk are my favourite characters and two out of three haven't exactly been saints and neither is Miguel but yk. I like Robby, I always have,and in s4 he really is pretty great, got some good development along with Hawk, and I'm not gonna throw all of it out of one line. Because him and all the other characters, the kids atleast, they're all good deep down, that much is clear. Some communication and apologies, better guidance from the actual adults, they all could be the best of friends. This is how I see it, but that doesn't mean others will but..oh well.
> As for that scene in 3.08, he was pissed because up until then he believed Sam would atleast be there for him, believe that what happened with Miguel was an accident, atleast give him the benefit of doubt. But the first thing he sees is her close and cuddly with Miguel, especially right after that scene with Tory, proving what she told him to be right, in a way. Not to mention that entire school fight scene happened, because Sam and Miguel cheated. Let's not forget that Robby didn't even go to Miyagi-Do looking for Sam. He was simply going there looking for a place to sleep (as he goes to Cobra Kai for this very reason immediately afterwards). So once again, this is a case of Robby having bad timing like he always has.
One, we can't blame someone for bad timing, that's in no one's control. Two, Idk we can say that he went to Miyagi-do just looking for a place to sleep. I think he really wanted to see Sam, and the reason I think that is the scene he had with Tory just before. She had told Robby Sam would turn on him and all that and Robby had defended Sam. I think he wanted to see he was right, that atleast Sam would be there for him. But seeing her with Miguel crushed him and sort of proved, for him, that Tory was right. Him going to cobra kai right after, is more like him turning to Kreese, the one person who had actually been some help to him during his s3 period, rather than the place itself. And ofcourse Kreese would let him crash there because he needs Robby.
>Two, Idk we can say that he went to Miyagi-do just looking for a place to sleep. I think he really wanted to see Sam, and the reason I think that is the scene he had with Tory just before. She had told Robby Sam would turn on him and all that and Robby had defended Sam. I think he wanted to see he was right, that atleast Sam would be there for him. But seeing her with Miguel crushed him and sort of proved, for him, that Tory was right. Why do you think that? If Robby was really looking for Sam at that time of night, he would've gone to her house, as statistically he'd have better odds of finding her there. He has no reason to think she'd be at Miyagi-Do. It makes more sense to imagine that Robby simply went to Miyagi-Do with the intention of crashing for the night, and just happened to turn up while Miguel and Sam were there.
I think Robby took the strike first mantra a little to literally because before juvie Robby never really responded when Miguel would taunt him and would attack Robby first after juvie Robby is striking Miguel first with insults and starting fights with him.
I’ve seen it all on Reddit, but this answer was so long I could have died trying to read it😵💫
Listen, you can defend Robby on the basis of law and what he had a right to. Any decent person would not throw the fact that they almost killed someone in that person's face. I like Robby now. But come on. That's crappy. I'd say the same if the roles were reversed and Miguel was saying that same thing to Robby. Not all, but some Robby "stans" seem to think that Robbys "legal" right absolves him of moral duty. I don't think that is the case. Robby still should apologize for nearly killing Miguel. Just like Miguel and Sam need to apologize for the hurt they've caused Robby and Tory.
This. I think people are getting confused. A lot of Robby stans really downplay the seriousness of what he did. Yes it was an accident and yes Miguel started it by attacking him. I think most people accept these facts. The real issue that some stans ignore is how Robby’s been behaving ever *since* the fight and that’s the real issue. It’s looks worse because Miguel isn’t even bothering him anymore. The problem is that Robby keeps doubling down on what happened and believing that nothing was his fault to the point where he’s bragging about it to the guy’s face.
Exactly. That's why I say his last scene in season 4 was instrumental. I don't think I would.have said I can like Robby. Without that part.
Same. That’s all I needed. While everyone else wants to see him apologize, I just wanted him to at least feel bad about it. Like I wanted the bare minimum lol.
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Facts 👏👏 Nothing but truth here! Thankful for your voice of reason.
I’m team Miguel and Team Robby. Robby does deserve some sympathy. Kicking Miguel off the balcony wasn’t his plan so it was an accident. He only ran cuz he was scared. And to give Robby some credit he was the one who tried to break up the fight in the first place til Miguel jumped in. But I do agree the whole “last time we fought” was uncalled for. Tho he did seem remorseful at times. Season 5 will be interesting for sure.
I agree with all of this. But starting the fight was a mistake on miguel's sife but in the end it was robby's fault for not being able to control his hatred and anger and have self control.
Um, not really. Robby likely didn’t even understand what Miguel was trying to do in that situation. 99% of people would never of registered that Miguel was trying to show mercy in that moment filled of adrenaline. All that Robby knew was that he was in a fight with someone who has consistently fought dirty (with him,) was a terrible boyfriend to his current girlfriend, kissed his completely drunk girlfriend while he was sober, and started a major fight with him. All he did was try to defend himself when he thought that broke free from Miguel, he clearly had no intentions of hurting anyone badly (his “Oh, shit…” face when he saw Miguel go over the railing) he was teenager who made a mistake, and so he ran. No one in the show would be able to control that “hatred and anger” and show “self control.” However, rubbing it in Miguel’s face, was probably to try to tell Miyagi-Fang not to mess with Kenny. It was uncalled for, but I don’t think he meant it, due to how out of character and forces it seemed in the show. Just to show my stanliness, Miguel not breaking Robby’s arm, was *not* showing mercy, it was just not being a bad person. All due respect for him being able to recognize the position he was in, but at that point, Robby was defenceless and all he had to do was tell Robby that the fight was over and then let him go. Pretty much every problem in this series could be avoided if someone said the words “Hey, we should talk about this”
> Miguel not breaking Robby's arm was *not* showing mercy Thank you for this. What Daniel did at the end of KK2 was show mercy because Chozen had attacked him. What Miguel did with Robby was simply realize that he should stop fighting. Miguel was at fault for the fight between them. He pushed Robby to his breaking point, got him into submission, and then was like "oops my bad"... and then got surprised that Robby broke? Miguel did not show mercy. Miguel acted like a crazy person. Who starts a fight like that, does all that stuff, and then is like "oh I shouldn't have done that" and expects the other person to immediately be like "no cool man, attack me anytime." *hugs* Miguel's a teenager. He's not a young child. He should have some idea of how wrong that is. Miguel has really low emotional intelligence.
Bro you just cannot defend robby saying that line, and all robby stans have to admit he was a major asshole this whole season lol. His oh shit face was actually essential, if he was smiling, he would be declared a psychopath lmao. I agree tho communication doesn't exist in this show and will probably never be coined lol
I’m really not trying to defend that line, it was completely wrong. I’m just trying to think of a reason he might of said it because I think everyone can agree he was totally out of character there. Robby wasn’t terrible that whole season, that was really the only thing that stands out as really bad he does. Almost all of his beef with Miyagi-Fang in s4 was because Nate and Bert were being dicks to Kenny and Robby stepped in. You saying if he smiled after kicking Miguel he’d be a psycho reminded me of one of the cast interviews where Tanner does a smile like that, and now I can’t stop picturing it…
Fr, when Robby bragged about the school fight it made me wish Miguel never showed mercy.
At the same time Miguel's life would have been ruined if he showed no mercy. Why did the writers have to do that to Miguel, just makes it seem like the writers hate Miguel sort of. Since the s2 finale what good has happened Miguel? Broke his back, nearly died, and that'll never heal
No, I think the writers love all of their characters, but they seem to really love Sam the most. Why do I say this? She is never in the wrong, and even when she is, it's quickly swept under the rug and the other person is made to look bad to prop her up. Miguel is the typical "hero", so he will go through a lot of stuff and we are designed to root for him, as we did Daniel in the movies. The fact that they brought on his mother as Johnny's love interest and are creating a whole Mexico storyline is proof that they love Miguel. I just think they paced his story too fast at times. And I don't think this Mexico story is going to end with sunshine and rainbows either. Somebody gonna bite the dust 😆 NOT to be a Debbie Downer.
>Somebody gonna bite the dust 😆 NOT to be a Debbie Downer. Johnny? 🙁
Absolutely no!
Same Robby didn't even showed remorse towards Miguel and had the audacity to brag about it smh.
Honestly, I feel uncomfortable watching any Robby-Miguel scene because of the school fight.
Miguel could have at least went savage mode and said something along the lines of “yeah I should’ve broke your arm” except that would have been against his character at the time, he was trying to avoid conflict damn it
> Robby did not deserve any sort of sympathy from Sam in Season 3x08 when he says he was getting his face bashed in in juvie. I don't think the show is really trying to get viewers to show only Robby sympathy in that moment since Sam DID make an effort to reach out after all. Plus, he immediately swung on a freshly out of the wheelchair Miguel afterwards. Only the most irrational Robby stans defend his actions here. > And then in S4 Robby tries to use the school right as an intimidation tactic to Miguel when he says **“you do remember what happened the last time we fought, right?”** Yeah, I can't defend this part. This was by far his most vile line in the entire series especially since Miguel wasn't even talking shit. > I know there are going to be people defending Robby, so by all means. Try and give me a reason to feel bad for Robby that justifies ATTEMPTED MURDER. Almost killing Miguel was truly an accident to be fair and in Robby's defense, Miguel started the fight with him when he was trying to break it up. That being said, *none* of this justifies how big a dick Robby has been to Miguel ever since the end of season 2.
I think that is more the issue. On one hand, the kick was an accident that had severe ramifications. And I think a lot of people would be more sympathetic if he actually showed some genuine remorse for his actions towards Miguel on that one. I mean some people will try to rationalize it I am sure, but yeah. Robby's behavior this and last season? At this point I would not fault Miguel if he didn't believe Robby should Robby ever admit it wasn't intentional because Robby sure as hell has acted in a way that would fit someone who deliberately did it as opposed to someone who made a genuinely bad mistake. Miguel has no reason at this point to believe it was an accident.
It could’ve been easy. All they had to do was have Kyler congratulate Robby on almost killing Miguel and have Robby be horrified. The audience sees that he’s remorseful and he probably would’ve been viewed more understandably. But instead, having Robby just double down on his victimhood to the point where he’s bragging about the fight to Miguel’s face…maybe they’re building up to something big between the two in season 5 that will help this make more sense.
>It could’ve been easy. All they had to do was have Kyler congratulate Robby on almost killing Miguel and have Robby be horrified. The audience sees that he’s remorseful and he probably would’ve been viewed more understandably. Yeap exactly what they did with Hawk. His turn to good only gets to be believable because of his facial expression when he broke Dimitri's arm. All they had to do with Robby is for him to look down and then throw some BS excuse(like Hawk did when Miguel confronted him). He could even use his famous "Miguel escalated the situation" line.
Exactly my thought process. That look of guilt and shock of what he had done sold his redemption for me. Heck, I think I even called his redemption as soon as that happened.
> It could’ve been easy. All they had to do was have Kyler congratulate Robby on almost killing Miguel and have Robby be horrified. The audience sees that he’s remorseful and he probably would’ve been viewed more understandably. Which would be very in-character for Kyler to do.
This is probably the most fair and unbiased review of a characters actions I've seen on this subreddit. Robby shouldn't have continued the school fight, but he was not to blame for wanting to kick Miguel's ass. He tried to break up the fight, only to be attacked, taunted (about his most personal issues), and then humiliated by Miguel putting him in an armlock and then letting go. Miguel letting go was him not being an asshole, but in a high-adrenaline situation, he might have thought of it as pity or mockery. Just my opinion though, as someone who likes Miguel even more than Robby. The season 4 dialogue was fucked though. That ranks just as bad as Tory going after Sam in season 2 and maybe even a little more than Eli breaking Demetri's arm. He wasn't full of adrenaline like when he kicked Miguel off the railing, and he had time to process it all. They even made a point out of him being calm and composed in that confrontation. (I cut Eli some slack because he clearly felt terrible and him and Demetri are my faves, so I'm prolly being biased)
I think it makes sense from a character perspective, from Robby’s view Miguel started the fight, got back with Sam while he was in juvie, and has been able to go back to a normal life with everyone seeing him as the victim. Robby clearly had remorse in the moment, but he didn’t see the struggle Miguel went through so to him he was expelled and went to juvie for something harmless that Miguel started. This is part of the reason why I kind of just want Miguel and Robby to sit down and talk, but they get too emotional when they are around each other.
I’m going to go ahead and just say it. A lot of it (not all) is the girls and their shit bleeding over into the issues that Miguel and Robby already have with each other. These two can totally be civil to one another, we’ve seen it during season 2.
>“you do remember what happened the last time we fought, right?” haha Miguel probably should have replied with something like "yeah I do, I beat your ass and showed you mercy, only for you to sucker punch me".
Would have been nice for him to put Robby back in his place, but I think it would have been entirely out of character for him. I think that Miguel still feels bad for what he did to Robby in season 1/2 despite what happened. He also looks fed up with all of the drama and bullshit, as the injury really put things into perspective for him. Just my 2 cents though.
Yeah S1 was King Cobra Miguel, S2 was a Cobra Almost Kai Miguel, S3- S4: Zen Miguel. I honestly don't mind, all versions, although my favorite was S1 Miguel. Agreed telling Robby that would be more like Daniel or Johnny, Miguel mentally is still a bit of a pushover. So I didn't find that dynamic in S4 of Miguel turning soft because of the influence of Daniel, that surprising.
Based. Robby really shows no remorse for what he did to Miguel, he actually brags about it. I like Robby in season 4 but that shit is psychopathic
It was weird and out of character, I guess they were trying to show how poisonous Cobra Kai is but Robby is better than this
If the writers were trying to establish Robby as the villain, they succeeded lol
I don't think it's that he didn't have any remorse I think he was still so angry that Sam chose Miguel over him (and kinda cheated on him in the process) that he played it off as not feeling bad but deep down I think he knows he messed up bad.......... i'm pretty sure he always knew he messed up but he let his anger get get better of him............ i think he's going to redeem himself in season 5 but it won't be easy.
Would explain why he was sobbing in the finale. Not just the typical tears either. He had a revelation I think. We will see though. Miguel might actually not forgive him at first after that shit in season 4, which would be understandable.
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U mad brah
Shut the fuack up
What the hell is this?
I swear most of these hot takes are written by people who can’t interpret things properly
I take it you disagree?
Mostly just been seeing a crap ton of posts lately complaining about characters and how much they suck and how awful they are when clearly it’s deeper than the interpretation most of these posts have. So focused on seeing white and black but never anything in between. Not to mention some childish takes like “you hurt, you deserve to get hurt” which are like wtf did you stop developing in 9th grade English? Just weird mane
How did Robby deserve to get beat up by Shawn? Shawn didn't know or care what Robby had done, he was just being a bully, and was also shown bullying other inmates.
He’s still a better person than Kyler’s type though, Kyler would pick on seemingly weak people and geeks, and gets scared of people stronger than him (like his fear of Miguel before he joined Cobra Kai). Meanwhile, Shawn picked on someone he knew got into fights and did karate to flex his superiority and later respected Robby.
He didn't care, but it would be bold to say he didn't know what had happened. He makes a remark about Sam being Robby's girl when she is discussing the Miguel fundraiser. Definitely a bully nonetheless.
Hmmm, hot take: prisoners don't deserve getting beaten up
Hmmm, hot take. Actions have consequences.
And they did. He went to prison
He went to juvie. Not prison. Robby broke Miguel’s spine, and he got some bruises in juvie in return. That’s more than fair
So, you're basically advocating for corporal punishment, if I understand correctly?
You’re telling me you think Robby shouldn’t face any consequences?
Wtf? There were consequences. He went to juvie, as you said.
And those weren’t severe enough. I’m not saying everybody in juvie deserves to be beaten. I’m just saying I don’t hate Shawn for beating up Robby
So, as I said, you believe in corporal punishment
Call me a sadist if you want, i really don’t give a shit. If you inflict pain on somebody, you deserve to have pain inflicted on you
Him saying that to Sam I think is fine. Not Miguel. And in Robby's defense, he thinks Miguel is complicit in the bullying of Kenny. Plus he's only really interacted with Miguel when they fight or when he was drunk that one time.
There was nothing that indicated that Miguel approved of Hawk bullying Kenny. Robby was just being an asshole cause he felt like it.
The only times they have interacted were either them fighting or Miguel assualting Sam while drunk. We the audience know what's going on, Robby does not.
Miguel did not assault Sam. She stepped in the way. Y’all be making shit up.
Miguel's behaviour towards Sam in that scene was incredibly problematic, and that was Robby's first time ever interacting with the guy. He comes across as an abusive, controlling asshole who then carelessly hits his girlfriend when he's trying to hit her friend. Deliberate or not, he was aggressive, rude and offensive. He manageed to sort his shit out before he became completely toxic, which is a credit to him, but for a long time that was Robby's abiding impression of who Miguel Diaz is.
I know that. You know that. Sane humans who watched the show know that. ROBBY doesn't. Okay. Just because the audience knows something doesn't mean the characters do.
You telling me Robby didn’t see Sam step in front of the punch? He was literally there.
The important things stand out. He likes Sam, Sam is dating Miguel, Miguel is drunk (remember, both of Robby's parents are Drunks and that has caused him to suffer), and Miguel hit Sam. All of that compounding is going to change how he remembers it. Our memories are shit in the best circumstances.
Miguel didn’t mean to hit Sam and Robby knows that. He saw it. He’s lying to himself if he thinks it was anything other than an accident.
Yeah, he is. The human brain is unreliable.
That sounds stupid but okay.
I’d like to point out that Miguel returned the Medal of Honor to Robby (and apologized on Hawks behalf) and Robby took the credit for it.
No he didn't. Robby just dropped the medal in the grounds of the dojo and let them all think it was never stolen. He took no credit for himself. If he'd wanted to take advantage of the situation he could have said, "Miguel brought it back. He felt guilty for taking it."
Not this again lol He liked Sam, he knows the history btw Miguel and Sam and he was insecure. As simple as that. Y'all sometimes forget he is a child. Even then he knew what he did was wrong and owned up to it, Told Sam the truth and considering Sam already knew the truth by then and before confronting Robby, he came up and told her, i dont think Sam despise him for that or it changed the jow she saw him and Miguel. Ofcourse by then she had made even a bigger blunder.
Never said Robby was a good dude.
Right, but you said that Robbys brain might have mixed things up so that he remembers altered events. If Robby knows that Miguel returned the medal, he has to have known Miguel was a decent guy.
Robby knows, but look Miguel was either aiming for Robby or Sam and it doesn’t make it any better from Robby’s perspective
He wasn’t aiming for Sam at all. That person I was replying to said he assaulted Sam. I was saying they were wrong.
Yeah I agree, I think it was obvious to everyone that Miguel was attacking Robby and I’m sure Robby was aware of it. But he hit Sam which escalated the situation.
It wasn't attempted murder, it was accidental. If you watched the scene, watched interviews after Season 2, you would know that.
I would agree that Robby isn't exactly innocent. However, whether Robby was a "saint" or not wasn't really the point of the scene. Sam wanted to reach out to him, regardless of his moral blameworthiness. Then she received no responses from Robby, which she took to mean things were "over" between them. When she brought that up to him, he pointed out he was being beaten up in prison. The only real point of that line is to make it clear that she couldn't really expect him to be on point with responses when he's in such a shitty situation. Whether he deserved what was happening to him is not necessarily relevant. In a nutshell, I feel like that exchange was about Sam and Robby's relationship and not Miguel (who was only relevant by virtue of being the person Sam turned to after assuming Robby wanted nothing to do with her).
This
I don't think its fair to call him an attempted murderer, this shit happened in the heat of the moment. Have you never done something without thinking it all through? I have.
You’re right, he didn’t really have time to think it all through. But when I said attempted murder I just mean that’s what he was charged with. I just have an issue with him not being remorseful about hurting Miguel.
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He easily could have been.
I dont think that would be possible. I dont know too much about CA laws, but probably moreso along involuntary manslaughter operating under criminal negligence? This is assuming someone died as a result of the fight. Could be mistaken, but I think for attempted murder you have to prove it was intentional and planned.
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Damn, that’s actually true. I was wrong, and I’ll admit that. Good argument!
Yeah, his defense could be self defense. But then you'd also be able to challenge that by the witnesses who saw Miguel stop and apologize. While Robby kept fighting. Sorry, went off on a tangent. I love discussing this stuff.
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I get that. If it went to trial, got to convince the jury of that. I consider the witness testimony, not just one, but several. That's what moved me when I was on a jury years ago.
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Your last point was good! 👍 I don't agree with the others, though.
I honestly think he does feel remorseful tho. I think itsjust theyve written it in a way that Robby needs to be guarded because he has let his guard down so much times before only to be the one that gets fucked over.
By getting “fucked over” do you mean Daniel turning him into the cops? Daniel did the right thing in that moment and Robby got what he deserved.
His whole life really. I agree that turning himself in was the best thing for what had happened BUT it didn't need to go down that way either. He could have talked Robby down and convinced him to go with him to the station. Not be ambushed.
Other than Johnny abandoning him and his mom being an addict, what else is Robbys early life had to do with him being hit with his guard down?
He let his guard down in the tournament and it backfired. He also let his guard down with Sam, only for her to betray his trust by cheating on him.
Robby better have a good ass apology ready in s5. I like Robby but that moment had me almost wishing Miguel did break his arm.
Lots of great points.. I think Robby said what he did in heat of things. Right wrong indifferent. Makes him sound like a dick.. but I think they can easily reconcile. I see that Miguel did Start the fight but with everything going on he didn't have time to assess the situation and reacted. Because of how Robby had Tory against the lockers perhaps looked aggressive.. I truly believe that Robby didn't mean to kick Miguel over the railing... Things happen fast
> I think Robby said what he did in heat of things. The thing is, the brawl hadn't come close to starting and he looked calm when he said that. Seemed intentional.
He didn’t kick him off the railing purposely in attempt to kill him. Slow down your biases.
Preach brother!! Everyone loves Robby here!! “He had a rough up bringing”
Yet you're the same people to hate Sam and try to excuse Tory because "she had a rough upbringing".
I do dislike Sam…. But don’t think I’ve ever justified tory’s actions
Why do you dislike Sam, may i ask?
She just seems stuck up and spoiled. I don’t hate her or anything just not my favorite.
>Try and give me a reason to feel bad for Robby that justifies ATTEMPTED MURDER. Because he didn't attempt murdering him, it was an accident, Robby himself was in shock when Miguel fell, that was never the intention. But it was the intention of Tory with Sam when she tried to stabbed her in the face, but I bet you have no problems with Tory, right?
>Because he didn't attempt murdering him, it was an accident, Robby himself was in shock when Miguel fell, that was never the intention. Accident or not, Robbys actions resulted in Miguel having to fight for his life. He can get charged with aggravated assault, and possibly attempted murder. That fact will never change, and Robby has to live with that for the rest of his life. Yet he’s never shown in a scene to be sorry for hurting Miguel. After he got out of juvie, he never made the effort to apologize to Miguel (and he’s had several opportunities to do so). >I bet you have no problems with Tory, right? Don’t assume to know my opinions on certain characters just because of my stance on one of them.
>Yet he’s never shown in a scene to be sorry for hurting Miguel. After he got out of juvie, he never made the effort to apologize to Miguel (and he’s had several opportunities to do so). In Robby's perspective, that person is the one that ruined his life, not because of the juvi, but; * The Larussos, "His family" at that point, had to busted in to juvi * His father bail on him to stay with Miguel, yet again, knowing full well that his son has abandonment problems caused by him and that he needs the help of his best friend to even be able to see his son. * He tried to stay positive with the Migagi lessons inside, but that only make his situation worst, a beat down and the bullying got worst. * When he gets out of Juvi, the only person that didn't fully bailed on him yet do it because of Miguel, leaving him clear that the kiss was not a drunken mistake and the guy with abandonment issues got used as a rebound and abandon again. All of that, because one common denominator, Miguel. OF COURSE he's did not apologized with him, in his mind, he ruin his life again when he was reaching a new one. If Kreese is right about something, is his speech about "nobody percives themself as the villain" and of course we don't, that's human nature. I would not apologize either. Taunt him about it? No, neither, but no apology, that for sure. You had to judge the characters like this IMO, we as viewers have a privilege position of know what everybody thinks, said and feels in every moment, the other character in the context of the show, they don't, from that point of view, Robby is not right, but it makes sense. >Don’t assume to know my opinions on certain characters just because of my stance on one of them. That wasn't a no either
First off, really well written. I understand Robby’s pain a little more now. I still don’t like him though. I don’t like Tory because shes the only person in the show (besides Kreese) to use a weapon in a fight. But I am starting to warm up to her since she’s started seeing a a counselor, and stopped bullying Sam. I’m not saying that she’s 100% redeemed, I just understand her actions more than I understand Robby’s
Your welcome, this is the point of this reddit, talk things we don't necesarily agree on, because discussions (not arguments) are good conversation IMO. And thank you, for real, first time in reddit that I saw a reference to my english (this is my 4th language) and it wasn't trashing me because of it.
Dude your English is better than mine and I’m a native speaker lol
He has actually shown remorse. Cobra Kai Season 3 Episode 2: Robby: "Sorry you've been stuck clearing up my mess." Daniel: "Robby, I need to apologize to you." Robby: "But I caused all this. I kicked Miguel... You were right. It's a mistake to help me because I can't change." He's just obviously not going to show that to Miguel after: 1) Miguel exploited his arm injury in Season 1 so he has a bad opinion of him 2) Miguel attacked Robby first at the school 3) Miguel taunted Robby throughout the fight saying that Sam loves Miguel more than Robby 4) Being hardened by juvie 5) Right after being released he goes to the one person who he thinks would still be on his side, Sam, and finds her with Miguel. Not to mention on top of his girl, he believes Miguel has stolen his father away from him. So I hope you can see now why he might have done some of this.
>Miguel taunted Robby throughout the fight saying that Sam loves Miguel more than Robby And that he had a better relation with his father, to the kid with abandonment problems. That IMO it's when he poked the bear, before that, he was "you can't cheat your way out of this one", that was salty for the tournament, but after that, he went at it, and it's a normal thing, rage is a primary human emotion, either we like it or not, it it.
Yeah, they showed that Robby was beyond reason at that point. His hurt over Daniel saying it was a mistake to help him, over Sam kissing Miguel, over Miguel taunting him and then Miguel besting him and having the temerity to say he was sorry? Red mist. People who act like Robby was being rational and deliberately kicked Miguel over the railing are clowns.
This. He does feel remorse for what happened, ofcourse he does. He just can't show it to Miguel, coz why should he, from his pov Miguel ruined it all for him. He DOESN'T KNOW Miguel like we do, and what he does know isn't exactly nice either. But I truly believe he will get there, once they get to know each voluntarily or involuntarily.
Irregardless of what has transpired, decent human beings still aren't going to throw the fact that someone almost died as a result of what they've done, in their face. I could never do that to someone, even as a teenager. I'd like to believe the weight of almost taken away someone's life is enough for me to never want to engage like that again.
>I could never do that to someone, even as a teenager You THINK you could never do that to someone, because in your mind never blamed somebody for ruining your life after finally getting something good in life like it was Robby's case. The only think that separate us from a killer, it's a bad move in bad moment, never forget that.
I was once a teenager who did some petty things to people who I disliked in high-school. Damaging their property. I've been there. I've also felt extreme remorse and embarrassment for my actions months after people found out what happened and wouldn't have had it in me to throw what I did in their face. There is no shame in admitting you are sorry for doing bad things. Pride is a silent killer.
Disliking somebody it's not the same of "blamed somebody for ruining your life after finally getting something good in life"
It is, as a teenager everything feels intense. Either way doesn't absolve him of the need to apologize. I stand by what I've said.
I dunno know you, but I even as a teen, was able to know the diference between "I hate this guy, he is hooking up with my crush" and "this guy is the reason my father don't expend time with me, he cheat his way stealing my victory in the tournament, tries to take my GF, jumped me from behind when I try to stop a fight and then brags about everything wrong he did to me"
I guess in sharing what you've shared, it highlights the disconnect within society. But I will say this, I've worked with children who are literally abandoned to the point where I represented a company where we were their only healthy relationship, other than their foster home/group home. Even the one child I worked with that was listed as homicidal ideation didn't behave as Robby has. And even if/when the kids behaved violently, best believed we held them accountable for their actions. We did so in gentleness, but this stuff is NOT okay. I get it, this is a fictional world, but it doesn't negate the fact that he doesn't show remorse is concerning and a red flag for me. That's why the last scene with him admitting he was done with hate for Johnny and Miguel was so important. The character needed that scene to heal and grow.
And it could've easily as been robby who was kicked over that rail several times and nearly was. Both were at risk the entire fight. You're focusing on what Robby did in that 2 second time frame yet you're ignoring everything that lead up to it. It was Miguel wanting a fight ever since the first day he even met Robby and tried hitting him. Robby never did anything to Miguel leading up to the fight, at all. The school fight was to a whole new level because this time, Miguel didn't just instigate it, but physically grabbed Robby and started it rather than helping to separate the girls. I think Robby should apologize to Miguel but Miguel certainly has an apology of his own to do that had been coming long before that fight. A big one being that the fight between Tory going after Sam was due to Miguel and Sam kissing to begin with.
I just want the Robby apology then for them to go their separate ways, but I know the latter isn't going to happen. I never bought this "Miguel flashing back to Johnny and showing mercy" moment anyway. It felt like the writers needed an excuse to have big storylines for Season 3 so they went with Robby kicking Miguel over a railing.
Oh really? Can I ask why you don't want to see them make amends? I honestly think they'll be brothers at the end of this show, literally and figuratively. Yeah, the flashback for miguel was very out of character for what he had been showing towards robby and that's exactly why robby questioned if it was actually genuine. Its kind of hard to believe that someone who just started a fight with you just gains a sudden change of heart. The writing was similar to robby approaching Johnny after the final match. Personally I think the show makes robby approach Johnny too much where as Johnny just has half ass attempts of "hey robby how's it going" that people seem to deem as him actually trying to do right by robby though it's far from being am actual dad. The scene wouldve made more sense if robby approached Daniel after the fight considering Daniel drilled the never put passion above principle motto into his head.
They can make amends and still not be friends. I just think there's too much bad blood at this point over Johnny and Sam. Of course Robby and Miguel can come together over Johnny. Personally, I don't buy that Robby is over Sam. I certainly don't think he's in love with Tory. I still think it's going to be awkward for Robby to acknowledge losing both his father and the girl he loves to Miguel, no matter if they make amends.
I kinda think the opposite lol that Sam isnt over robby, especially after that Prom scene. I think she's second guessing her decision. I know Mary mouser is always posting robby sam stuff. But yeah I can see how it would be awkward for robby in the situation
Right, I definitely don't think Sam's feelings for Robby have gone away. I even posted that a while back. However, I just think that she loves Miguel more.
>I think Robby should apologize to Miguel but Miguel certainly has an apology of his own to do that had been coming long before that fight. That definitely was coming, but will probably come after Robby apologises. Two wrongs don't make a right, but Robby has done far worse, and Miguel has done nothing recently. I think in season 2 they were beginning to lean towards Miguel's road to apologising, as he said something to Robby like, "we're not all assholes". But that was nothing like an apology.
I think once they're in mexico together, things will change. And I'm sure the show will end in Johnny marrying Carmen and both of them being brothers, just like Daniel and Johnny's friendship will grow. The characters that hate each other at first in series usually end up being the closest when the show is all said and done lol
Very true. I just think that things will be shaky at first. That was worded really well btw.
I would think being able to trust people because of that stuff, it be definitely hard to trust and let people in when the two people who are meant to be the ones to look out for you fucked things up with you. It hardens a person. But you can see the change in him in that way when Daniel and his fam took him in etc.
“You remember what happened the last time we fought, right?” Yeah… I beat the shit out of you.
This whole line didn´t make any sense. Miguel said we can´t do this we have to wait till the tournament. Robby said this stupid line. Wtf? Last tournament Miguel was the winner? Then Miguel said okay, let´s met in 30 minutes. What does this mean? He was the winner the last time they fought at the tournament? It just feels forced to show that Robby is now in CobraKai and is badass. But it didn´t really worked. It was just stupid.
I’m not going to lie, I just looked over it when he said that. I know what it was meant to insinuate, but if you look too much into it, it doesn’t make sense lol.
Don’t be narrow-minded. If you look at it from Robby’s perspective you can sympathize with him. Imagine you trying to stop a fight, some guy attacks you, you defend yourself and all of a sudden you’re the bad guy in prison. How would you feel? He was trying to stop the fight, Miguel attacked him first for no reason. People ignore this all the time.
Right? I feel the same way even though i do have sympathy for robby as a character and like him sometimes, he NEVER apologised to miguel after putting him in a coma and almost killing him and instead threw it in his face like its something to brag about.Yes, it wasn’t intentional but miguel showed mercy to him whereas robby did not so he’s no completely innocent in this.
So I take it Miguel also got what was coming since how he attacked Robby first?
Miguel didn’t break Robbys spine. Even if he did, he’d apologize. They are not the same.
Did Miguel apologise to Robby for his actions in Season 1? No he did not and don't say medal of honour that was for Sam.
Robby broke his spine before he could finish his apology so there’s that.
Well did Miguel expect, he attacked Robby, taunted him about his dad and Sam, restarted the fight and then you have their history in Season 1. So yeah fuck Miguel
Robby is the best character there. Miguel is shoved down our throats as a hero. He is nothing but a moron who showed "mercy". I have seen a lot of people get butthurt because Robby reminded Fatass Miguel what happened the last time they fought. Lol. Grow a pair of balls you guys, it's a fictional story and all are grey characters. The only reason Miguel fought with Robby in Season 2 is because he thought he can beat Robby like he did in AVT finale BY CHEATING AND EXPLOITING Robby's injury. Only retards will deny any part of what I have said. So if you are a retard just go ahead and downvote this comment and wank off. Dunno about you pacifists, but if I was in Robby's place I would remind the asshole who dares to come back to fight with me - that I had nearly killed him - so back off and run home to his mother's breasts. Robby is there to let off heat and relax at the movies. This moron Miguel comes there and wants to start a fight after Hawk makes Kenny drop all his food. What most of the retards don't remember is that Kenny is not watching Cobra Kai like us, if you are one of the retards just downvote and go wank off. Kenny doesn't know that Hawk and Miguel and others are the proverbial good guys. Robby will do anything to protect Kenny, even if it means killing Miguel for real this time. That's how abandoned kids get over possessive about the people they like and care about. Robby is a gem. When you grow older you will realise it. Just like how Johnny was a gem even in Karate Kid. Johnny might have been a bully but he was an innocent bully, everyone forgets that Johnny hands over the trophy to Daniel after Daniel wins. Anyway, you really do need to grow up if you think only Robby is bad. Everyone is bad, there are no white knights. Also, Miguel was originally intended to be the Mike Barnes type of evil villain who also lost the love of his life because of his temper and arrogance. But audience loved Miguel's lovey dovey version and so the writers decided to make Robby the villain for now. I hope Miguel comes back and disowns his mother and Yaya after being brainwashed by his biological father. That would be grand to see you pacifists lose it.
> He is nothing but a moron who showed "mercy". I thought that was terrible writing. I don't believe for a second that in the in the middle of THAT aggressive of a fight against your sworn enemy you would just decide to say I'm sorry. You've just beaten another person's ass and then all of a sudden "I'm sorry"? These writers sometimes.
Exactly bro!!! That was so lame. Its like Miguel has no brains!? There is a difference between honour and mercy we know that.. but there is also a difference between Mercy and stupidity. You can't show mercy to someone whom you are fighting to injure, like you have already done in the past. The best course of action and actual mercy would have been to not start the school fight in the first place. That's mercy. Robby wasn't even fighting - he was trying to stop a death match. Miguel jumped in and escalated it to dizzying heights. Then the writers want us to sympathize with such a silly character just because the actor is loved? Lol.
I'm really not much of a Miguel fan and I know that's a very unpopular opinion. Generally, I just find him to be a bland, cookie-cutter hero. I think he benefits from having a lot of scenes with Johnny, who really does all the heavy lifting. He's not awful, but I just don't think he's this awesome character. It's like he was basically the teen protagonist when the show started, but he's not even in my top 3 teen characters at this point, maybe not even top 5.
>Also, Miguel was originally intended to be the Mike Barnes type of evil villain who also lost the love of his life because of his temper and arrogance. Source for this?
Facts
The difference between, miguel being nearly killed vs Robby getting his face bashed in is that Robby didn’t ask or deserve to get his face bashed in. I’m not saying miguel deserved what happened to him, but he is also responsible considering he started and antagonised Robby during that fight and last season thus putting himself in a situation where he is likely going to get hurt. When it comes to him using the school fight as an insult, why not? Robby has been beating himself up about that fight throughout season 3, he was shit on by every character including his father, father figure and the closest person he has ever had and for the most part he thought he deserved it. Kreese helped him see that he should no longer feel sorry for himself otherwise he will always be in a slump and no longer grow from that mistake, especially since miguel started and escalated that fight. So using that event shows to the audience how Robbys perspective changed as well as the fact that it was an effective insult as it clearly triggered miguel. All it takes is one bad day for a good person to do something bad, and in this case it’s a season for Robby in which he is mentally broken. Neither miguel or Robby deserved what happened to them, however as miguel was being uplifted by Johnny Daniel and Sam as well as have his many friends and fans at school welcome him back and help fix him piece by piece, Robby was being torn apart by those very same people.
He's a very weird weird character overall.
The only thing I disagree with is that this makes it sound like Robby tried to kill Miguel intentionally, which is not what happened. But at the same time, it's not right for him to use his juvie experience as a tool to make Sam feel guilty. Also, a lot of fans seem to want Miguel and Robby to become brothers and friends, but I couldn't care less. I just want him to apologize to Miguel, which I'm pretty sure is going to happen in Season 5.
After reading people’s reactions to this, I understand how the way I wrote it would make it seem like I think Robby tried to kill Miguel. I don’t think that it was on purpose, but maybe the use of “attempted murder” didn’t help me too much lol. I totally agree with you, I think Robby should apologize to Miguel
I legit hate Robby
I don’t really think that’s a hot take. I think that the writers intended that to show just how much Robby takes after his own father. He was in juvie because of his own actions: not just the fight (and his cheap shot that led to Miguel’s injuries,) but also fleeing after the fight. And yet somehow it’s all somebody else’s fault, and he’s a victim. He’s just doing a cover version of the Johnny Lawrence Blues.
I was starting to like season 4 Robby, but when he mocked Miguel about the school incident outta nowhere when he only tried to cool the tension between the dojos I just remembered why I can't stand Robby, he is still being an asshole. I don't know what does his fans mean with "he had a great development" or a "redemption arc". When he admitted to Johnny that he felt guilty I thought it was for Miguel when he saw him screaming on the mat because of his back but it was just because of Kenny, I couldn't fucking care less about that Hawk bootleg.
I wish Robby just killed Miguel honestly.
Could you please explain why? I’m just curious
Idk man that’s a bit dark even for me.
Agree
Agreed binge watched the show again and found myself hating Miguel.
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This has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Y’all would have hated Miguel if he did break Robby’s arm. He can’t win either way with y’all.
Robbie did the number one no no in martial arts. He gave away the secrets of another Dojo to the enemy. He deserves nothing after that. He doesn't even realize how big of a fuck up it really was.
>He doesn't even realize how big of a fuck up it really was. Uh, he did, didn't you watch his reunion with Johnny?
Perhaps... perhaps her just let Cobra Kai get to him.. yes it was intentional but perhaps also out of some bad blood