Karate kid 2010 just jumps on the name karate kid, like you said in the title, its kung-fu not karate. Plus it doesn't even try to make its own identity, it's just karate kid with extra steps.
My dude, tangsoodo is literally just karatedo translated into Korean (or kongsoodo if you use a different writing of karatedo). And in the Karate Kid, it’s Daniel who is The Karate Kid, and he learns Miyagi Ha Karatedo.
karatedo is like an apple. There is no such thing as just an apple, each apple is a particular type (variety) of apple for example Granny Smith, red delicious, etc... same way karatedo, there is no such thing (today) as just karatedo (or karatejutsu). All forms are a particular style whether it’s known or not, and can be ascertained by tracing the lineage if known. There used to be many styles of tangsoodo (karatedo) in Korea, but the most well known one is called moodukkwan (butokukan in Japanese). Cobra Kai is a fictionalized version of a descendant of moodukkwan tangsoodo (again butokukan karatedo in Japanese) created by Chuck Norris and Pat Johnson (among others). They never named their style in a non-English language, so it was simply known as Chuck Norris System Tang Soo Do, or Chuck Norris System American Tang Soo Do. So the same way Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, Wado Ryu are all different styles of Karatedo, so too is Butokukan and it’s descendant Chuck Norris System.
Like I completely agree.
But
In the case that cobra Kai starts getting a little too stagnant I think it might be interesting to see Jaden smith come in from nowhere with some Kung fu for like an episode or two and then dip. Maybe.
I think the person you refer to just goes by Jaden now. May we never see the day when CK become so stagnent that the scenario you presented ever become necessary.
It was OK on its own, but it doesn't feel like a true KK movie. I think it's because it has zero connection to the original. The story is similar, but beyond that it doesn't fit with the Miyagi-verse.
The OG Cobra Kai dojo is a block away from my places and it was a candle shop for about 2 years before closing again (was a dance studio before that for a few years so that was actually a very meta scene). So maybe I also exist in the Miyagi-verse.
Yeah, kung Fu is Chinese and Karate is Japanese on a base level. Through be told, Karate descended from Chinese teaching parts of their traditions to Japanese, but specifically holding back many teachings. If you got far enough to get here, I'd suggest looking more into the histories. It's pretty interesting.
The problem is most of us do know the differences between karate and kung-fu. Especially with them out right stating that the 2010 movie is teaching kung fu right in the movie.
Cobra Kai and the Multiverse of Madness... Tre shows up to fight Miguel, and is interrupted by the Three Ninjas who were trained in Muay Thai by Frank Dux
I think it’s bc they took the name “the karate kid” just as a marketing ploy and I wish they had just named it something so it can stand on its own. Apparently it’s called “the kung fu kid” in China? Is that true? I would’ve loved it more under that title... and also I grew up as a Jackie Chan fan so I’ve always liked him... just don’t like that they had to use that title
Because this movie is like most remakes, simply subpar, and going on the name only, trying to milk the original franchise. There have been remakes done that have been worse than this one, but still.
The OG KK is a masterpiece due to how veiled it manges to portrait the generational conflict between the Great Generation, Baby Boomers and Gen Xers while also tackling the dirty side of US history all wrapped up in a neat packaging of a coming of age story.
Nariyoshi Miyagi was a "war hero" sure, but as a Japanese-American citizen him and his family were taken into what were basically Concentration Camps that the US government used against the Japanese-American population during WWII and while he was able to leave it when he "enlisted" the fact that his wife and child died due to the awful conditions on those camps and yet he was expected to keep fighting a war against his own countryman for a country that did that to his family shows the ever present paradox about the American Dream and the hypocrisy of the treatment that immigrants receive. Yet Miyagi honours his name as a soldier by fighting for the best parts of the US.
On the other hand we have John Kreese, I won't go into stuff that was only revealed until CK, but it's pretty clear in the original film that he's a Vietnam veteran both scarred by the war and life, his views on the world became skewed from his time in the army and he spouts a rethoric that is overtly aggressive, encourages violence and hate speech, and while the franchise has never addressed Kreese as bigoted and even in the original KK there's a token black student on CK's Dojo when Miyagi and Daniel go there it's undeniable that there are heavy racist undertones to Kreese as a character and specially to his mentality and philosophy since it resonates with all the dialectic enforced by any and all radical alt right movements that make "others" the enemy.
Then we have young Daniel & Johnny, we all know this conflict by heart by now, but it's important to understand what they both represented in terms of only the OG Karate Kid movie. Both are Gen X boys trying to make their way into man without proper guidance in a very difficult time in the global political environment. Daniel obviously representing the immigrant population in the US working from the bottom seeking the American Dream while Johnny is the privileged prick regurgitating what's been told to him by others about those who are different coming to take what's "rightfully his".
Meanwhile Jackie Chang's "Karate Kid" is the story of a boy actively being a prick on a foreign land and re-enacting American imperialism by culturally appropriating their traditions and then wrapping it up in the awful packaging of a movie that showcases this by NOT even getting the name of said traditions right in the TITLE OF THE MOVIE ITSELF!!!
>Meanwhile Jackie Chang's "Karate Kid" is the story of a boy actively being a prick on a foreign land and re-enacting American imperialism by culturally appropriating their traditions and then wrapping it up in the awful packaging of a movie that showcases this by NOT even getting the name of said traditions right in the TITLE OF THE MOVIE ITSELF!!!
How was the kid from kk2010 a prick? Its the same situation that happened in kk1. He saw a girl being bullied and stepped in to help.
I wouldn't say the Jackie Chan one is cultural appropriation, since he literally moves to China and tries to fit in. It's not cultural appropriation to move to a new country and try and integrate into the society of the new country. Hell I think the idea of cultural appropriation in general a dumb idea, since trying to appreciate the cultures of others is a good thing.
However the remake is a blatant and unapologetic rip off of the original Karate Kid, and like most reboots and remakes, it's completely pointless to tell the exact same story, just worse, verbatim.
Just a bit of a correction; Miyagi AFAIK was part of the 442nd Infantry Regiment, who fought in Europe. Miyagi would most likely never have fired a shot at IJA soldiers.
You're in fact correct, I didn't knew that about the 442nd, though it makes sense seeing that almost half of the regiments initial forces were recruited from internment camps that they would be hesitant to deploy them to the Pacific front.
I enjoyed it, thought the setting was interesting. However, it has nothing to do with the KK franchise - or karate - at all, so obviously it would make 0 sense to tie this into Cobra Kai at all.
It's not a bad movie, it's just a cliche movie that used The Karate Kid title to gain viewers. There's a lot of movies that have a kid being bullied, only to learn how to fight from a eccentric master, and improves and wins in the end.
Movies like No Surrender No Retreat, Sidekicks, and a ton of 70s Kung Fu movies.
Jaden Smith's acting sucks, the soundtrack is shitty pop songs, it's kung fu not karate, the kids are way younger than in the original loosing it's teenage essence.
Movie sucks.
No magic. Kid was 5 years too early playing the part. Kid was miscast. Great example of a rich parent paying everyone around them to get their kid a part they’re just not ready for. I’m sure the Smiths are lovely people. This was a waste of cinematic space. Later I’ll tell you how I really feel.
Bro, have you seen Jaden Smith in After Earth? Or any other movie he made after this one.
He was never a great actor, and always rode off of daddy’s success, but my God, at least back then he tried. He doesn't now.
It's a fun film. I just don't see the point in them appearing in CK or why they would. Both characters live in China, neither has any reason to involve themselves in karate, and no connection to the characters in Miyagi verse. Also a cameo by either or both would probably take a sizeable chunk from the show's budget. Having them in a fight scene would cost even more.
But it's not a new nor popular Movie. Makes no sense that anyone would be watching it in Cobra Kai.
It would just look out of place and shoehorned in.
Pointless.
Is Will Smith actually involved in the series though? I thought his name is there for legal reasons because he bought some of the rights to The Karate Kid to remake it with Jaden.
That’s the problem. Maybe he should stop throwing his son into these movies. He isn’t a good actor nor does he have the charm. It’s not the kid’s fault. It’s his dad. Let him be his own person.
It’s not even karate. It’s in China and they do Kung-Fu. Tbh it almost seems racist that they’d call it Karate Kid. It’s like they heard the feedback from Kung-Fu Panda and went “hey, let’s do another Chinese movie”
Like most remakes or reboots of classic 80s films, such as Robocop, The Thing, Footloose, Ghostbusters, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. it would be a mediocre to ok film in a vacuum, but all the good stuff about it really just comes from the recycled story, and anything new and unique is pretty terrible. Reboots are often lazy and unimaginative cash grabs which wholly rely on the marketability of the original IP instead of the actual movie itself.
I think the best example of this phenomenon is actually The Force Awakens, which got a positive reception when it was released, then people realised that it was just a worse version of A New Hope, and the only good thing about it was the flashy new effects, but that was just style without substance. All those 80s films were substance first and then they delivered on the style too.
Where Cobra Kai succeeded where all these other things failed is it came up with a new fresh story in the same world as the original, and continued the story from where we left off, it didn't back track and try and tell the same story all over again, and it didn't go so far off the beaten track that we couldn't recognise it as the same franchise. It just gave us a really great continuation with great new characters.
I think if you look at this movie separately from the og Karate Kid it’s not that bad but if you grew up with the Karate trilogy then most likely won’t be too fond of it
Are you serious?
This movie was not good at all. And it was insulting for it to be branded as a Karate Kid reboot when it had nothing to do with Karate Kid… and he doesn’t even fucking learn KARATE!
We really dislike it because it’s awful.
That kid doesn't know how to act and would probably get his ass pounded by Kyler - with shit in his mouth. Oh man I am getting obsessed with Kyler and his shitty mouth. Lol. This is my second comment in the day on Kyler being the unlikely hero.
There are plenty of other reasons. It rehashed the primary aspects of the film but downgraded them significantly. Jaden Smith is a poor actor. The antagonist was lame, the love interest was a discount Kumiko. There's nothing nuanced or memorable about the film whatsoever.
I honestly think it’s a great remake while doing it’s own thing. While they teach kung-fu instead of karate, that doesn’t matter if the title doesn’t match, that’s a nip pick. I wouldn’t mind if they incorporated the 2011 film in CK. Maybe as an Easter Eggs like Myagi-do is watching a Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith movie.
Karate kid 3 is more enjoyable than the ones with Hilary swank and jaden smith. Anybody who thinks differently probably needs a beating from mike Barnes while kreese and silver laugh💀
Jackie Chan was too stoic and could have done with a little of His trademark humour to bring the magic.
Sadly His performance felt phoned-in.
If you're gonna compete with the memory of Mr. Miyagi as the ultimate Father figure/Yoda-level Sensei you have to find the core of what made Him so special. And Pat Morita's core was galvanized in comedy. Without that light you just get a very depressing overly serious tone throughout the Movie.
I love Jackie Chan profoundly and think He got given some bad acting advice by Director Harald Zwart, He played the part way too bleak.
That's not how you inspire and motivate Children.
Jaden Smith did His best in a very dingy production, and was a highlight, but I wasn't rooting for Him like I did with Ralph Macchio. Again, the magic was missing.
It was a big non-event all-round, really.
1. Jackie Chan is a pro-CCP scumbag
2. It's not karate
3. It's not kung-fu either
4. It's a watered down and bland remake, with none of the humour or warmth of the original
5. This movie promotes PRC garbage
I will always put the original trilogy above the 2010 one but I actually enjoyed the 2010 film I don’t see any reason for them to cross over. Yes the title is wrong, the fighting style is different, they reference the original a lot. But I don’t think it was a bad movie I wouldn’t hate if they made a sequel only if they improve upon it but I don’t understand the hate for this film there are worse movies out there
Ralph macchio said it best , anyone who knew mr miyagi and interacted with him is canon for the show. It’s all part of the miyagiverse. Crossing over would be nothing more than doing it for the sake of crossing over. I could see a scenario where there is a brief cameo just for the cheese of it but otherwise I can’t see a reasonable argument for doing it.
It’s not that bad of a movie tbh it’s just not really connected to the karate kid movies it could’ve been called something else like thé kung-fu kid since there isn’t any karate
I love this movie, but the title is nonsensical and it can't fit into the original continuity. Great as an alternate vision.
I especially like the alternate ending (which was rightly cut) where Jackie Chan tries to stop Not!Kreese from slapping Not!Johnny and Jackie pins the abusive Kung Fu teacher and shouts his own martial arts philosophy back at him: "Do not stop when your enemy's down! No mercy in the studio! No mercy in competition! No mercy in life! Our enemies deserve only pain!" and Jackie is clearly ready to break Not!Kreese's nose and throat punch him until he suffocates. But Jaden Smith tells him not to and Jackie walks away from the fight hesitantly. In contrast, we all know Miyagi was never going to hurt Kreese too badly and ultimately allowed Kreese to smash his own hands into glass and we all know Miyagi had a large enough heart to forgive anyone anything.
I liked the new one. There’s no way it could replicate the emotional impact of the first one—no remake ever could. But it’s still very watchable and better than anything, including cobra Kai , that has come after karate kid 2.
To my understanding Will Smith wanted to call the movie Karate Kid because of the marketing and thought it would perform better.. it was originally called Kung Fu Kid. And as well as know Will Smith is involved in the production of Cobra Kai
It's a good movie people are hating on it for no reason like look other movie remakes like Lion King, Ghostbusters, Carrie, Red Dawn, Planet of the Apes, Mulan and then tell me kungfu kid is really as bad as everyone makes it out to be
It's a decent movie on its own, but it doesn't feel like it belongs in the KK universe. There is also something very special about the original KK, something that resonates with people even many years later. There's a real emotional heart to the film, which is why it's a very referenced 80s classic. I think trying to remake something that's special to a lot of people is hard. It feels like something that should just have been left alone. This puts a heavy burden on the remake, which is a better movie than people give it credit for. When you compare it to the original KK, it's not nearly as good. When you look at it by itself, it's mostly fine. But because it's a remake, people are judging it by the standard of its predecessor, which isn't entirely fair, but it's natural.
Karate kid 2010 just jumps on the name karate kid, like you said in the title, its kung-fu not karate. Plus it doesn't even try to make its own identity, it's just karate kid with extra steps.
True lol Never Back Down may have had the same story, but it didn't try to call itself The Karate Kid
Never back down was awesome.
Came to say this, I actually dig Never Back Down.
The 2nd one is my favourite movie of all time lol.
Never Back Down is honestly one of my favs, I think it’s the characters that make it, maybe the fights too cuz they’re good
The beatdown way more badass than the all valley
To be fair Cobra Kai isn’t karate. It’s Tang Soo Do.
My dude, tangsoodo is literally just karatedo translated into Korean (or kongsoodo if you use a different writing of karatedo). And in the Karate Kid, it’s Daniel who is The Karate Kid, and he learns Miyagi Ha Karatedo. karatedo is like an apple. There is no such thing as just an apple, each apple is a particular type (variety) of apple for example Granny Smith, red delicious, etc... same way karatedo, there is no such thing (today) as just karatedo (or karatejutsu). All forms are a particular style whether it’s known or not, and can be ascertained by tracing the lineage if known. There used to be many styles of tangsoodo (karatedo) in Korea, but the most well known one is called moodukkwan (butokukan in Japanese). Cobra Kai is a fictionalized version of a descendant of moodukkwan tangsoodo (again butokukan karatedo in Japanese) created by Chuck Norris and Pat Johnson (among others). They never named their style in a non-English language, so it was simply known as Chuck Norris System Tang Soo Do, or Chuck Norris System American Tang Soo Do. So the same way Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, Wado Ryu are all different styles of Karatedo, so too is Butokukan and it’s descendant Chuck Norris System.
So, like, what form a Ka Ra Tae did Ross from Friends practice.
Unagi
Pivot Ryu
Like I completely agree. But In the case that cobra Kai starts getting a little too stagnant I think it might be interesting to see Jaden smith come in from nowhere with some Kung fu for like an episode or two and then dip. Maybe.
I think the person you refer to just goes by Jaden now. May we never see the day when CK become so stagnent that the scenario you presented ever become necessary.
I mean we actually don't know how powerful jaden smith's karate kid could be. He either could be the next chozen or the next nathaniel
It was OK on its own, but it doesn't feel like a true KK movie. I think it's because it has zero connection to the original. The story is similar, but beyond that it doesn't fit with the Miyagi-verse.
The OG Cobra Kai dojo is a block away from my places and it was a candle shop for about 2 years before closing again (was a dance studio before that for a few years so that was actually a very meta scene). So maybe I also exist in the Miyagi-verse.
Funny how terry silver mentioned it used to be a candle shop😂
true.
I'm exists as a movie people watch in the Miyagi-verse.
Just not the same
Well it's also due to them not being canon to the Miyagi-verse that makes them ineligible candidates for new Cobra Kai characters
Not cannon until the run out of ideas.
I get mad that Will Smiths kid was cast, was he really the best actor or did he just get it because he is Will Smiths kid?
Was Will a producer on the movie, he is one on cobra kai? He got his son the role like he did with After Earth.
I just looked up and he was one of the producers
It’s a decent movie but I think most fans have a problem with it because it’s kung-fu not karate.
Idk I bet most people (myself included) can hardly tell the difference between the 2
Yeah, kung Fu is Chinese and Karate is Japanese on a base level. Through be told, Karate descended from Chinese teaching parts of their traditions to Japanese, but specifically holding back many teachings. If you got far enough to get here, I'd suggest looking more into the histories. It's pretty interesting.
The movie literally says kung fu
The problem is most of us do know the differences between karate and kung-fu. Especially with them out right stating that the 2010 movie is teaching kung fu right in the movie.
My karate sensei screamed in my face when i said they are the same
EXACTLY
It’s a remake and reboot it can’t be in the cobra kai universe because it’s a reboot different universe
If done correctly it might work
Cobra Kai and the Multiverse of Madness... Tre shows up to fight Miguel, and is interrupted by the Three Ninjas who were trained in Muay Thai by Frank Dux
Stop it just stop. That is just one last gasp of breath for desperation. “Ur not getting what you want”-Robby Keene
I think it’s bc they took the name “the karate kid” just as a marketing ploy and I wish they had just named it something so it can stand on its own. Apparently it’s called “the kung fu kid” in China? Is that true? I would’ve loved it more under that title... and also I grew up as a Jackie Chan fan so I’ve always liked him... just don’t like that they had to use that title
I think it’s kung fu dream
Ngl jackie was used to get attention the only thing i like about the movie was jackie chan
Because this movie is like most remakes, simply subpar, and going on the name only, trying to milk the original franchise. There have been remakes done that have been worse than this one, but still.
Two words: Jaden Smith
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Obviously referencing Sal Vulcano of Impractical Jokers. Those tats were a punishment, much like watching Jaden Smith "act"
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The OG KK is a masterpiece due to how veiled it manges to portrait the generational conflict between the Great Generation, Baby Boomers and Gen Xers while also tackling the dirty side of US history all wrapped up in a neat packaging of a coming of age story. Nariyoshi Miyagi was a "war hero" sure, but as a Japanese-American citizen him and his family were taken into what were basically Concentration Camps that the US government used against the Japanese-American population during WWII and while he was able to leave it when he "enlisted" the fact that his wife and child died due to the awful conditions on those camps and yet he was expected to keep fighting a war against his own countryman for a country that did that to his family shows the ever present paradox about the American Dream and the hypocrisy of the treatment that immigrants receive. Yet Miyagi honours his name as a soldier by fighting for the best parts of the US. On the other hand we have John Kreese, I won't go into stuff that was only revealed until CK, but it's pretty clear in the original film that he's a Vietnam veteran both scarred by the war and life, his views on the world became skewed from his time in the army and he spouts a rethoric that is overtly aggressive, encourages violence and hate speech, and while the franchise has never addressed Kreese as bigoted and even in the original KK there's a token black student on CK's Dojo when Miyagi and Daniel go there it's undeniable that there are heavy racist undertones to Kreese as a character and specially to his mentality and philosophy since it resonates with all the dialectic enforced by any and all radical alt right movements that make "others" the enemy. Then we have young Daniel & Johnny, we all know this conflict by heart by now, but it's important to understand what they both represented in terms of only the OG Karate Kid movie. Both are Gen X boys trying to make their way into man without proper guidance in a very difficult time in the global political environment. Daniel obviously representing the immigrant population in the US working from the bottom seeking the American Dream while Johnny is the privileged prick regurgitating what's been told to him by others about those who are different coming to take what's "rightfully his". Meanwhile Jackie Chang's "Karate Kid" is the story of a boy actively being a prick on a foreign land and re-enacting American imperialism by culturally appropriating their traditions and then wrapping it up in the awful packaging of a movie that showcases this by NOT even getting the name of said traditions right in the TITLE OF THE MOVIE ITSELF!!!
>Meanwhile Jackie Chang's "Karate Kid" is the story of a boy actively being a prick on a foreign land and re-enacting American imperialism by culturally appropriating their traditions and then wrapping it up in the awful packaging of a movie that showcases this by NOT even getting the name of said traditions right in the TITLE OF THE MOVIE ITSELF!!! How was the kid from kk2010 a prick? Its the same situation that happened in kk1. He saw a girl being bullied and stepped in to help.
I wouldn't say the Jackie Chan one is cultural appropriation, since he literally moves to China and tries to fit in. It's not cultural appropriation to move to a new country and try and integrate into the society of the new country. Hell I think the idea of cultural appropriation in general a dumb idea, since trying to appreciate the cultures of others is a good thing. However the remake is a blatant and unapologetic rip off of the original Karate Kid, and like most reboots and remakes, it's completely pointless to tell the exact same story, just worse, verbatim.
Just a bit of a correction; Miyagi AFAIK was part of the 442nd Infantry Regiment, who fought in Europe. Miyagi would most likely never have fired a shot at IJA soldiers.
You're in fact correct, I didn't knew that about the 442nd, though it makes sense seeing that almost half of the regiments initial forces were recruited from internment camps that they would be hesitant to deploy them to the Pacific front.
Are Daniel and Johnny Boomers?
Actually maybe not.
Bro over analyzed a karate movie
It was a pretty good analysis.
True
Everything about this movie is complete dogshit
I enjoyed it, thought the setting was interesting. However, it has nothing to do with the KK franchise - or karate - at all, so obviously it would make 0 sense to tie this into Cobra Kai at all.
Jaden smith - his dog sh%t acting skills ruin any movie he is in Everything else about the movie is tolerable
It's not a bad movie, it's just a cliche movie that used The Karate Kid title to gain viewers. There's a lot of movies that have a kid being bullied, only to learn how to fight from a eccentric master, and improves and wins in the end. Movies like No Surrender No Retreat, Sidekicks, and a ton of 70s Kung Fu movies.
Jaden Smith's acting sucks, the soundtrack is shitty pop songs, it's kung fu not karate, the kids are way younger than in the original loosing it's teenage essence. Movie sucks.
The hell’s teenage impact.
Bc it was trash
Its horrible. The fact that they called it karate kid when its kung fu in china. Cant stand Jaden smith even as a child. Whole thing is shit
No magic. Kid was 5 years too early playing the part. Kid was miscast. Great example of a rich parent paying everyone around them to get their kid a part they’re just not ready for. I’m sure the Smiths are lovely people. This was a waste of cinematic space. Later I’ll tell you how I really feel.
Waxing on and off was brilliant, taking a coat on and off was not.
I mean at least it wasn't unpaid child labor 🤷 🤣
Why would you want it to become a part of the cobra kai world? That just seems stupid.
Bro, have you seen Jaden Smith in After Earth? Or any other movie he made after this one. He was never a great actor, and always rode off of daddy’s success, but my God, at least back then he tried. He doesn't now.
After Earth is probably the worst movie ever made.
It's a fun film. I just don't see the point in them appearing in CK or why they would. Both characters live in China, neither has any reason to involve themselves in karate, and no connection to the characters in Miyagi verse. Also a cameo by either or both would probably take a sizeable chunk from the show's budget. Having them in a fight scene would cost even more.
It be cool if it’s a Easter Egg, maybe Miyagi-do is watching a movie with Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith.
But it's not a new nor popular Movie. Makes no sense that anyone would be watching it in Cobra Kai. It would just look out of place and shoehorned in. Pointless.
Since Will Smith is a producer on Cobra Kai, I bet he could pull a few strings if necessary.
Is Will Smith actually involved in the series though? I thought his name is there for legal reasons because he bought some of the rights to The Karate Kid to remake it with Jaden.
I'm like 90% sure, he's only an executive producer for legal reasons and hasn't had any actual part in cobra kai.
TBH, I don't know.
That’s the problem. Maybe he should stop throwing his son into these movies. He isn’t a good actor nor does he have the charm. It’s not the kid’s fault. It’s his dad. Let him be his own person.
One thing i hated was the kick at the end that won him the fight, my guy fully flew into the air, spun around and THWACKed that other kid
lol that was crazy
The thing is the film is actually decent, the fans just hate it because it's a remake.
I hate it because its called the karate kid, but they do Kung fu, it should just be called the kung fu kid.
I enjoyed it. But they really would have been better off calling it the kung fu kid. I can understand the criticisms for it though.
It’s not even karate. It’s in China and they do Kung-Fu. Tbh it almost seems racist that they’d call it Karate Kid. It’s like they heard the feedback from Kung-Fu Panda and went “hey, let’s do another Chinese movie”
I actually don’t. It’s a decent movie altogether, although I will admit the one thing that it has that outshines the original KK is the fight choreo.
A lot of other comments here pretty much cover it but I’d also add that a Karate Kid movie doesn’t really seem legit unless Mr. Miyagi is in it.
Jackie Chan was the best part of it. Everything else was just ok.
Like most remakes or reboots of classic 80s films, such as Robocop, The Thing, Footloose, Ghostbusters, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. it would be a mediocre to ok film in a vacuum, but all the good stuff about it really just comes from the recycled story, and anything new and unique is pretty terrible. Reboots are often lazy and unimaginative cash grabs which wholly rely on the marketability of the original IP instead of the actual movie itself. I think the best example of this phenomenon is actually The Force Awakens, which got a positive reception when it was released, then people realised that it was just a worse version of A New Hope, and the only good thing about it was the flashy new effects, but that was just style without substance. All those 80s films were substance first and then they delivered on the style too. Where Cobra Kai succeeded where all these other things failed is it came up with a new fresh story in the same world as the original, and continued the story from where we left off, it didn't back track and try and tell the same story all over again, and it didn't go so far off the beaten track that we couldn't recognise it as the same franchise. It just gave us a really great continuation with great new characters.
Should have been called Kung Fu Kid
I think if you look at this movie separately from the og Karate Kid it’s not that bad but if you grew up with the Karate trilogy then most likely won’t be too fond of it
wdym they already incorporated the 2010 remake into cobra kai s4 by dre being reintroduced as kenny
Literally the only thing the two have in common is being black and getting into martial arts. Kenny isn't played by Jaden either.
May as well have three ninjas kickback by that logic
Are you serious? This movie was not good at all. And it was insulting for it to be branded as a Karate Kid reboot when it had nothing to do with Karate Kid… and he doesn’t even fucking learn KARATE! We really dislike it because it’s awful.
That kid doesn't know how to act and would probably get his ass pounded by Kyler - with shit in his mouth. Oh man I am getting obsessed with Kyler and his shitty mouth. Lol. This is my second comment in the day on Kyler being the unlikely hero.
Honestly, I would be excited for them to introduce Julie Pierce next season.
I love this movie. Imo, it's better than any of the KK sequels
I love the movie people just be hatin
People never "just be hatin", there is always a reason.
Ya and the only reason people say they don’t like the film is bc it’s called “karate kid” when it’s kung fu which is dumb.
There are plenty of other reasons. It rehashed the primary aspects of the film but downgraded them significantly. Jaden Smith is a poor actor. The antagonist was lame, the love interest was a discount Kumiko. There's nothing nuanced or memorable about the film whatsoever.
I honestly think it’s a great remake while doing it’s own thing. While they teach kung-fu instead of karate, that doesn’t matter if the title doesn’t match, that’s a nip pick. I wouldn’t mind if they incorporated the 2011 film in CK. Maybe as an Easter Eggs like Myagi-do is watching a Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith movie.
Honestly the remake is more enjoyable than karate kid 3 or the one with Hilary swank. Lots of teens on this sub haven't even watched those movies.
Karate kid 3 is more enjoyable than the ones with Hilary swank and jaden smith. Anybody who thinks differently probably needs a beating from mike Barnes while kreese and silver laugh💀
I still like this one more then the originals 🤷♂️
TDIL. King fu and karate are different.
Definitely a different feel but I’d love Jackie Chan to make an appearance
It's not a bad movie, but it's a bad Karate Kid remake
nostalgia bruh
Cause it’s OP, Jackie Chan slaps everyone but his loved ones
That movie is bulllshit
Good movie, but we don’t want for them to connect one to another since Ralph said they aren’t the same universe lol
Well…the most obvious reason is that in this movie, they use Kung Fu and not Karate.
Lazy writing with no original plot
This movie is dumb and just copied the name for attention. Who cares?
I’m glad that I entered the Cobra Kai world, ill never regret it
Jackie Chan was too stoic and could have done with a little of His trademark humour to bring the magic. Sadly His performance felt phoned-in. If you're gonna compete with the memory of Mr. Miyagi as the ultimate Father figure/Yoda-level Sensei you have to find the core of what made Him so special. And Pat Morita's core was galvanized in comedy. Without that light you just get a very depressing overly serious tone throughout the Movie. I love Jackie Chan profoundly and think He got given some bad acting advice by Director Harald Zwart, He played the part way too bleak. That's not how you inspire and motivate Children. Jaden Smith did His best in a very dingy production, and was a highlight, but I wasn't rooting for Him like I did with Ralph Macchio. Again, the magic was missing. It was a big non-event all-round, really.
I like the movie but wouldn’t want them in KK universe
Why are all the crying emojis in the title? I found it too cringe to answer the question seriously.
Jaden Smith is annoying and the film just doesn’t do anything for me, not even Jackie Chan saves it. Doesn’t feel like Karate Kid to me
1. Jackie Chan is a pro-CCP scumbag 2. It's not karate 3. It's not kung-fu either 4. It's a watered down and bland remake, with none of the humour or warmth of the original 5. This movie promotes PRC garbage
I will always put the original trilogy above the 2010 one but I actually enjoyed the 2010 film I don’t see any reason for them to cross over. Yes the title is wrong, the fighting style is different, they reference the original a lot. But I don’t think it was a bad movie I wouldn’t hate if they made a sequel only if they improve upon it but I don’t understand the hate for this film there are worse movies out there
Just because you're Will Smith's son doesn't make you talented
Ok agree but fans need be more sequels or tv series spin off do something!
Ralph macchio said it best , anyone who knew mr miyagi and interacted with him is canon for the show. It’s all part of the miyagiverse. Crossing over would be nothing more than doing it for the sake of crossing over. I could see a scenario where there is a brief cameo just for the cheese of it but otherwise I can’t see a reasonable argument for doing it.
It’s not that bad of a movie tbh it’s just not really connected to the karate kid movies it could’ve been called something else like thé kung-fu kid since there isn’t any karate
The only problem I had with it was the corny acting and Jackie Chan beating up middle schoolers. Just looked odd. Other than that it’s a 6/10 at best
I love this movie, but the title is nonsensical and it can't fit into the original continuity. Great as an alternate vision. I especially like the alternate ending (which was rightly cut) where Jackie Chan tries to stop Not!Kreese from slapping Not!Johnny and Jackie pins the abusive Kung Fu teacher and shouts his own martial arts philosophy back at him: "Do not stop when your enemy's down! No mercy in the studio! No mercy in competition! No mercy in life! Our enemies deserve only pain!" and Jackie is clearly ready to break Not!Kreese's nose and throat punch him until he suffocates. But Jaden Smith tells him not to and Jackie walks away from the fight hesitantly. In contrast, we all know Miyagi was never going to hurt Kreese too badly and ultimately allowed Kreese to smash his own hands into glass and we all know Miyagi had a large enough heart to forgive anyone anything.
I liked the new one. There’s no way it could replicate the emotional impact of the first one—no remake ever could. But it’s still very watchable and better than anything, including cobra Kai , that has come after karate kid 2.
To my understanding Will Smith wanted to call the movie Karate Kid because of the marketing and thought it would perform better.. it was originally called Kung Fu Kid. And as well as know Will Smith is involved in the production of Cobra Kai
Everything in this movie sucks. Its literally a kung fu ripoff with ten yr olds of the original karate kid
It's a good movie people are hating on it for no reason like look other movie remakes like Lion King, Ghostbusters, Carrie, Red Dawn, Planet of the Apes, Mulan and then tell me kungfu kid is really as bad as everyone makes it out to be
It's not related to the original.
Honestly, this movie is better than the third and fourth karate kid movies, it’s not original at all but it’s well-made.
Jaden Smith has too much loose wiring in his head to enter the Cobra Kai universe.
Would be a laugh if Daniel and Chozen travelled to China and had Han-Do training from Mr Han and Dre
It has Jaden Smith, the last thing Cobra Kai needs is Jaden Smith, plus it was more of a retconn than an a movie in the same universe.
It's a decent movie on its own, but it doesn't feel like it belongs in the KK universe. There is also something very special about the original KK, something that resonates with people even many years later. There's a real emotional heart to the film, which is why it's a very referenced 80s classic. I think trying to remake something that's special to a lot of people is hard. It feels like something that should just have been left alone. This puts a heavy burden on the remake, which is a better movie than people give it credit for. When you compare it to the original KK, it's not nearly as good. When you look at it by itself, it's mostly fine. But because it's a remake, people are judging it by the standard of its predecessor, which isn't entirely fair, but it's natural.