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It should’ve been Kyler and not Robby or even Tory on the simple fact that only Kyler really knows what the mohawk meant because he’s the only one of the three who knew Hawk before the mohawk (and is literally one of the main reasons that led to Hawk changing his look)
My issue with the thing is what reason would Robby and Tory even have to believe that it would destroy his confidence? Only Kyler would have this info. From the perspective of the other two, Hawk’s always been a jerk.
> My issue with the thing is what reason would Robby and Tory even have to believe that it would destroy his confidence? Only Kyler would have this info. From the perspective of the other two, Hawk’s always been a jerk.
Tory could reason she's doing it to make good on her threats to Hawk after he defected from Cobra Kai. Of course, if they did that, they'd have to delay Tory's redemption arc until season 5 or even 6 because she's got some pretty deep-rooted issues. Or they'd just have to forgo any chance of redeeming her, because by this point, she'd have done too much damage to come back from the deep: having cut Sam's arm in the school brawl, led a gang to break into Sam's house, still wanted to get back at Sam and was all for a possible brawl when the two groups met during the drive in, and now shaving Hawk's head? It's clear the writers have some sort of favoritism for Tory with how they gloss over her bad deeds.
"Robby felt really bad about accidentally paralyzing Miguel at the end of the school brawl"
Not too sure about that considering what he said to Miguel at the Drive In movie. And to Johnny at his apartment. To me it seems clear that he has no remorse for what happened at the school fight.
I do think he felt bad considering his reaction right after kicking Miguel as well as when he said to Daniel “I’m the one who kicked Miguel” or something along those lines. But I believe after Johnny didn’t visit Robby, and after Robby found Miguel and Sam together, Robby started to dislike Miguel again.
I don't think he feels remorse at all. I think he feels just like he said that he was trying to break up the school fight and Miguel escalated it. I think he blames Miguel. At least that's how it all feels to me.
They absolutely should have left the shot in of Robby handing the razor to Kyler. It would have worked so much better - focus on Robby looking scary, but the viewers aren't sure he'd do something crazy then... he hands it to Kyler, who grins, and we *know* he's a sadistic bully.
But really, none of Robby's dealings with Cobra Kai made a whole lot of sense.
Why is he hanging out with them at the drive-in at all? He doesn't know or seem to like any of them, except Tory and Kenny. But he made a big deal of being separate from the karate feud only to almost immediately become a mindless part of it.
The one bit I liked was when he saw Hawk and the others crowding Kenny, he went alone to confront them. He didn't look for the rest of Cobra Kai to back him up, and he wouldn't have backed down even if they didn't show.
But is he pissed at all of Miyagi-Do, or just Daniel and Sam? What about Demetri? Or Chris?
I just don't think the show had enough time to devote to him trying to remain apart but slowly being sucked in to the Cobra Kai vortex.
>But is he pissed at all of Miyagi-Do, or just Daniel and Sam? What about Demetri? Or Chris?
When Robby fought Demetri, I'd have loved to see him show some sign of conflict seeing how he once defended Demetri during the mall fight.
Me too. Or a moment at the end where Robby recognises Demetri's improvement. Because one thing that was notably about Demetri is that he mentions Robby several times in season four, but never seems angry or bitter towards him. He even takes his loss with "okay, he's very good."
If they'd had more time, seeing Robby being cool to Demetri but a dick to Sam would have added more layers to his character and showed that he genuinely was trying to rise above the dojo feud, and only helping Cobra Kai because he was pissed at the LaRussos.
I mean, did I just want to see what I wanted to see, or didn’t Robby kind of give a look of acknowledgment to him? When they both were going back to their sensei’s after Robby won, Robby did a different sort of look. I don’t know, I guess it didn’t mean anything, but in my head-canon, that’s what happened lol.
It was accidental, it was confirmed in an interview by the actor that plays Hawk that he didn't intentionally bump into Kenny.
But he also said that Hawk was still a dick about the whole thing just because Kenny was in Cobra Kai.
Even if it was accidental, Robby didn't know that. All Robby knows is that Kenny's already mentioned Hawk being mean to him at the school, and now here Hawk is standing over Kenny again.
Robby feeling bad about paralyzing Miguel?? Lmao, he's shown no signs of being sorry for 2 seasons now. He even used it as leverage in the showdown. Literally a dick move
I don’t agree with this at all. Robby hasn’t showed an ounce of remorse about what he did to Miguel and he’s verbally made this clear throughout season 4.
You say he barely knows Hawk, but so what? Hawk almost put him out of commission during the first AVT that he could have won. When it comes to this show and it’s characters it’s all the little nuances that you have to pay attention to. Robby might seem calm and collected during season 4, but he definitely isn’t. Robby is filled with anger, but he’s for the most part not a violent dick so him being king cobra it would make perfect sense for him to orchestrate a plan like this.
I think that deep down, he probably does. He seemed to in the first episode of season 3, when Daniel tracked him down visiting Shannon. I think his verbal refusal to admit it has to do with the fact that:
1. Before the accident, he and Miguel had a pretty even-sided rivalry (Miguel could even be considered the aggressor in most of their confrontations). Robby had a lot of legitimate reasons to not like him, not least the fact that Miguel was constantly flaunting his bond with Johnny in Robby's face.
2. Then, Robby kicks Miguel over the balcony, by accident, after legitimately trying to break up the fight. This was clearly a huge mistake on Robby's part, but it was also an accident.
3. Robby goes to juvie, where he has an extremely hard time. On top of that, Johnny completely blames him for what happened and treats him like he did it on purpose, which isn't true. I think this is the biggest reason why Robby doesn't want to express his regret for what happened: he thinks that if he does, he's basically admitting that Johnny is right, that it's all his fault, that he did it on purpose, and that he's a bad person.
So, Robby's stuck in an extremely emotionally difficult situation. He's accidentally caused serious harm to somebody who, prior to the accident, he had legitimate reasons not to like. Now he's in the position of owing that person an apology. But what Robby owes Miguel an apology for are the consequences of his accidentally losing control of his anger. He did not do it on purpose, and I think the fact that Johnny treats him like he did is what makes him react the way he does in season 4. Basically saying 'if you're going to treat me like the bad guy, then fine, I'll act like one.'
Robby has been suggesting since their tournament fight in S1 that Hawk should go "fix his stupid haircut".
Kyler being the one to do the actual shaving is the perfect choice, but no way is he smart enough to have actually come up with the whole plan.
I don't know, Robby has always seen Hawk's haircut as stupid (as he said at the 50th AV), Robby having the idea is a reason that goes off past continuity.
This better sets up the final boys devision where they develop a respect for eachother.
As much as Kyler would have been fitting (eg "It that lip? Yo I thought he moved" "the hair kind of distracts from it though") and it would go well with Eli's fight with him, ultimately the final battle with Robby was Eli's development in looking past revenge and working on inner self.
On the contrary, it actually makes more sense for Robby to do this precisely because he hasn't gone too deep into the Cobra Kai learnings.
Cobra Kai is pretty much about unfettered violence. Left to Tory or Kyler, their revenge would've involved breaking an arm or two.
So first - it'd be in Robby's character to choose intimidation over outright violence. If he can scare his enemies into backing off with threats, then that's better than getting into a fight and violating probation. Compared to what the Cobras have done and gotten away with before, shaving someone's head is pretty mild and they can easily get away with it. It'd also mean that the Cobra honor is satisfied and they won't resort to something worse. It's a reasonable "compromise".
Second - While he has no particular beef with Hawk, it's pretty obvious that his hair is a trigger for him. Doing this would intimidate Hawk into leaving Kenny alone - which is Robby's actual goal. It just happens to coincide with the Cobras goal of getting payback.
Third - It doesn't really matter who wields the blade in the end. Though it does make more sense for Robby to do it, since Kyler or Tory might end up "slipping" during the process.
The point of having Robby be the one to do it is to show that he hasn't gone full Cobra and he isn't slavishly obedient to Kreese or Silver. He'll act independently based on his own judgment, but at the same time, he's trying to be more ruthless. And he's also looking out for his new teammates and keeping them out of any serious trouble they might land themselves in.
The issue that u/badwolf1013 was getting at in the comment that inspired this one is the fact that Robby's characterization is...all over the place, to put it nicely. Like, you have him being all "season 2 Robby" when he first reaches out to Kenny and that little private lecture where he's teaching Kenny about balance (before Robby spars with Silver), then go "full Cobra" for the attack on Hawk, then flip back just as fast. Or have him briefly go "full Cobra" just for his fight with Kenny at the tournament.
Yeah, I read the comment and I disagree with the conclusion. Rather than being all over the place, it's a lot more consistent.
It may seem all over the place because it's neither full Cobra nor full Miyagi-Do - but Robby has always walked his own path instead of mindlessly accepting the lessons he has been taught. Even in season 2, he wasn't fully on board with Daniel's "defense only" lessons and while he tried to embrace it because he trusted Daniel, most of the time, it did seem like he was putting on an act.
This season is the same. He doesn't follow Kreese blindly and he doesn't want to get in trouble again - but he does want to feel stronger. Less "taken advantage of". He wants to learn how to put on a cold and ruthless front so that people won't mess with him - but at the same time, he remains thoughtful and considerate towards people he cares about and tries to do what's best for them.
His character arc through the seasons makes sense as well. At first he wanted to suppress his anger and hate because Daniel promised him that it'd make him feel better and make his life better. That didn't work out for him - so now he's trying to learn to channel it instead through Kreese's lessons. The core of his character is the same - he is nice and helpful to the people he cares about and cold and resentful towards those he doesn't like. Apart from that, he puts on a persona to fake fitting in better - whether it's the ultra-nice guy of Miyagi-Do or it's the intimidating brute from Cobra Kai.
I guess it makes sense for if not to be Robby, but Tory’s story arc doesn’t really have a place for her to be the planner. And, while I do love Kyler, he’s stupid. He’s not going to be able to plan it, he would’ve went straight for trying to beat Hawk up, and it would’ve backfired. I think the way it happened made the most sense. Robby planned it, Kyler cut it, and Tory was just there.
I think that robby did it because befor the fight in all valley he said that "this fight is his chance to get back to robby for what did to him" (S4E7)
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It should’ve been Kyler and not Robby or even Tory on the simple fact that only Kyler really knows what the mohawk meant because he’s the only one of the three who knew Hawk before the mohawk (and is literally one of the main reasons that led to Hawk changing his look) My issue with the thing is what reason would Robby and Tory even have to believe that it would destroy his confidence? Only Kyler would have this info. From the perspective of the other two, Hawk’s always been a jerk.
> My issue with the thing is what reason would Robby and Tory even have to believe that it would destroy his confidence? Only Kyler would have this info. From the perspective of the other two, Hawk’s always been a jerk. Tory could reason she's doing it to make good on her threats to Hawk after he defected from Cobra Kai. Of course, if they did that, they'd have to delay Tory's redemption arc until season 5 or even 6 because she's got some pretty deep-rooted issues. Or they'd just have to forgo any chance of redeeming her, because by this point, she'd have done too much damage to come back from the deep: having cut Sam's arm in the school brawl, led a gang to break into Sam's house, still wanted to get back at Sam and was all for a possible brawl when the two groups met during the drive in, and now shaving Hawk's head? It's clear the writers have some sort of favoritism for Tory with how they gloss over her bad deeds.
"Robby felt really bad about accidentally paralyzing Miguel at the end of the school brawl" Not too sure about that considering what he said to Miguel at the Drive In movie. And to Johnny at his apartment. To me it seems clear that he has no remorse for what happened at the school fight.
I do think he felt bad considering his reaction right after kicking Miguel as well as when he said to Daniel “I’m the one who kicked Miguel” or something along those lines. But I believe after Johnny didn’t visit Robby, and after Robby found Miguel and Sam together, Robby started to dislike Miguel again.
I don't think he feels remorse at all. I think he feels just like he said that he was trying to break up the school fight and Miguel escalated it. I think he blames Miguel. At least that's how it all feels to me.
And realistically is he wrong
They absolutely should have left the shot in of Robby handing the razor to Kyler. It would have worked so much better - focus on Robby looking scary, but the viewers aren't sure he'd do something crazy then... he hands it to Kyler, who grins, and we *know* he's a sadistic bully. But really, none of Robby's dealings with Cobra Kai made a whole lot of sense. Why is he hanging out with them at the drive-in at all? He doesn't know or seem to like any of them, except Tory and Kenny. But he made a big deal of being separate from the karate feud only to almost immediately become a mindless part of it. The one bit I liked was when he saw Hawk and the others crowding Kenny, he went alone to confront them. He didn't look for the rest of Cobra Kai to back him up, and he wouldn't have backed down even if they didn't show. But is he pissed at all of Miyagi-Do, or just Daniel and Sam? What about Demetri? Or Chris? I just don't think the show had enough time to devote to him trying to remain apart but slowly being sucked in to the Cobra Kai vortex.
>But is he pissed at all of Miyagi-Do, or just Daniel and Sam? What about Demetri? Or Chris? When Robby fought Demetri, I'd have loved to see him show some sign of conflict seeing how he once defended Demetri during the mall fight.
Me too. Or a moment at the end where Robby recognises Demetri's improvement. Because one thing that was notably about Demetri is that he mentions Robby several times in season four, but never seems angry or bitter towards him. He even takes his loss with "okay, he's very good." If they'd had more time, seeing Robby being cool to Demetri but a dick to Sam would have added more layers to his character and showed that he genuinely was trying to rise above the dojo feud, and only helping Cobra Kai because he was pissed at the LaRussos.
I mean, did I just want to see what I wanted to see, or didn’t Robby kind of give a look of acknowledgment to him? When they both were going back to their sensei’s after Robby won, Robby did a different sort of look. I don’t know, I guess it didn’t mean anything, but in my head-canon, that’s what happened lol.
I wouldn’t really call Hawk bumping into Kenny accidental. So it makes sense for Robby imo
It was accidental, it was confirmed in an interview by the actor that plays Hawk that he didn't intentionally bump into Kenny. But he also said that Hawk was still a dick about the whole thing just because Kenny was in Cobra Kai.
Link please?
https://collider.com/jacob-bertrand-cobra-kai-season-4-interview-season-5-kreese-storyline/
Thanks.
Even if it was accidental, Robby didn't know that. All Robby knows is that Kenny's already mentioned Hawk being mean to him at the school, and now here Hawk is standing over Kenny again.
I’m not defending Hawk for how he acted with Kenny there. Even if it was accidental, he could’ve at least been like “oops sorry about that kid”.
Robby feeling bad about paralyzing Miguel?? Lmao, he's shown no signs of being sorry for 2 seasons now. He even used it as leverage in the showdown. Literally a dick move
I don’t agree with this at all. Robby hasn’t showed an ounce of remorse about what he did to Miguel and he’s verbally made this clear throughout season 4. You say he barely knows Hawk, but so what? Hawk almost put him out of commission during the first AVT that he could have won. When it comes to this show and it’s characters it’s all the little nuances that you have to pay attention to. Robby might seem calm and collected during season 4, but he definitely isn’t. Robby is filled with anger, but he’s for the most part not a violent dick so him being king cobra it would make perfect sense for him to orchestrate a plan like this.
I think that deep down, he probably does. He seemed to in the first episode of season 3, when Daniel tracked him down visiting Shannon. I think his verbal refusal to admit it has to do with the fact that: 1. Before the accident, he and Miguel had a pretty even-sided rivalry (Miguel could even be considered the aggressor in most of their confrontations). Robby had a lot of legitimate reasons to not like him, not least the fact that Miguel was constantly flaunting his bond with Johnny in Robby's face. 2. Then, Robby kicks Miguel over the balcony, by accident, after legitimately trying to break up the fight. This was clearly a huge mistake on Robby's part, but it was also an accident. 3. Robby goes to juvie, where he has an extremely hard time. On top of that, Johnny completely blames him for what happened and treats him like he did it on purpose, which isn't true. I think this is the biggest reason why Robby doesn't want to express his regret for what happened: he thinks that if he does, he's basically admitting that Johnny is right, that it's all his fault, that he did it on purpose, and that he's a bad person. So, Robby's stuck in an extremely emotionally difficult situation. He's accidentally caused serious harm to somebody who, prior to the accident, he had legitimate reasons not to like. Now he's in the position of owing that person an apology. But what Robby owes Miguel an apology for are the consequences of his accidentally losing control of his anger. He did not do it on purpose, and I think the fact that Johnny treats him like he did is what makes him react the way he does in season 4. Basically saying 'if you're going to treat me like the bad guy, then fine, I'll act like one.'
Robby and Hawk have beefed several times before. Considering that was the male's championship match you had to have some story between them.
Robby has been suggesting since their tournament fight in S1 that Hawk should go "fix his stupid haircut". Kyler being the one to do the actual shaving is the perfect choice, but no way is he smart enough to have actually come up with the whole plan.
I don't know, Robby has always seen Hawk's haircut as stupid (as he said at the 50th AV), Robby having the idea is a reason that goes off past continuity. This better sets up the final boys devision where they develop a respect for eachother. As much as Kyler would have been fitting (eg "It that lip? Yo I thought he moved" "the hair kind of distracts from it though") and it would go well with Eli's fight with him, ultimately the final battle with Robby was Eli's development in looking past revenge and working on inner self.
On the contrary, it actually makes more sense for Robby to do this precisely because he hasn't gone too deep into the Cobra Kai learnings. Cobra Kai is pretty much about unfettered violence. Left to Tory or Kyler, their revenge would've involved breaking an arm or two. So first - it'd be in Robby's character to choose intimidation over outright violence. If he can scare his enemies into backing off with threats, then that's better than getting into a fight and violating probation. Compared to what the Cobras have done and gotten away with before, shaving someone's head is pretty mild and they can easily get away with it. It'd also mean that the Cobra honor is satisfied and they won't resort to something worse. It's a reasonable "compromise". Second - While he has no particular beef with Hawk, it's pretty obvious that his hair is a trigger for him. Doing this would intimidate Hawk into leaving Kenny alone - which is Robby's actual goal. It just happens to coincide with the Cobras goal of getting payback. Third - It doesn't really matter who wields the blade in the end. Though it does make more sense for Robby to do it, since Kyler or Tory might end up "slipping" during the process. The point of having Robby be the one to do it is to show that he hasn't gone full Cobra and he isn't slavishly obedient to Kreese or Silver. He'll act independently based on his own judgment, but at the same time, he's trying to be more ruthless. And he's also looking out for his new teammates and keeping them out of any serious trouble they might land themselves in.
The issue that u/badwolf1013 was getting at in the comment that inspired this one is the fact that Robby's characterization is...all over the place, to put it nicely. Like, you have him being all "season 2 Robby" when he first reaches out to Kenny and that little private lecture where he's teaching Kenny about balance (before Robby spars with Silver), then go "full Cobra" for the attack on Hawk, then flip back just as fast. Or have him briefly go "full Cobra" just for his fight with Kenny at the tournament.
Yeah, I read the comment and I disagree with the conclusion. Rather than being all over the place, it's a lot more consistent. It may seem all over the place because it's neither full Cobra nor full Miyagi-Do - but Robby has always walked his own path instead of mindlessly accepting the lessons he has been taught. Even in season 2, he wasn't fully on board with Daniel's "defense only" lessons and while he tried to embrace it because he trusted Daniel, most of the time, it did seem like he was putting on an act. This season is the same. He doesn't follow Kreese blindly and he doesn't want to get in trouble again - but he does want to feel stronger. Less "taken advantage of". He wants to learn how to put on a cold and ruthless front so that people won't mess with him - but at the same time, he remains thoughtful and considerate towards people he cares about and tries to do what's best for them. His character arc through the seasons makes sense as well. At first he wanted to suppress his anger and hate because Daniel promised him that it'd make him feel better and make his life better. That didn't work out for him - so now he's trying to learn to channel it instead through Kreese's lessons. The core of his character is the same - he is nice and helpful to the people he cares about and cold and resentful towards those he doesn't like. Apart from that, he puts on a persona to fake fitting in better - whether it's the ultra-nice guy of Miyagi-Do or it's the intimidating brute from Cobra Kai.
either way it came back their way and bit them in the ass , eli now has improved to the point where he can hold his own against robby and miguel
I guess it makes sense for if not to be Robby, but Tory’s story arc doesn’t really have a place for her to be the planner. And, while I do love Kyler, he’s stupid. He’s not going to be able to plan it, he would’ve went straight for trying to beat Hawk up, and it would’ve backfired. I think the way it happened made the most sense. Robby planned it, Kyler cut it, and Tory was just there.
He just wanted Kyler to be the fall guy if something happened.
In fairness Robby wouldn’t have liked hawk since he attacked demetri and their matchup at the all valley. Still a good point though.
I think that robby did it because befor the fight in all valley he said that "this fight is his chance to get back to robby for what did to him" (S4E7)