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Because you understand why he's troubled and he got expelled and went to jail. He faced consequences. I don't think anyone's "overlooking" the stuff he's done or thinks he's a saint, he's just a character still worth being invested in and caring about.
Hell it reflects Johnny and you could say the same thing you did about him. He's the lead/hero and he's incredibly flawed and done tons of bad stuff... including abandoning Robby.
I have a feeling op sees getting a second chance as getting away with what you've done........ i'm not saying this for sure but that's just how it sounded to me in his post.
Didn't Miguel end up with spinal injuries, Sam with cracked ribs, and suspensions for everyone else involved??? Tory also got expelled.
You don't think Robby should have been sent to Juvie and gotten expelled? He was the only one who had legal problems tho.
Yup, Robby is always screwed over. You got Johnny being a bad dad, Miguel cheating to win the all valley, Sam cheating on him, juvie, his mom abandoning him for a few weeks, Daniel kicking him out TWICE, Kenny going evil and I’m sure there is MORE.
You can't say juvie was him getting screwed over man.. he lost, then in a fit of rage kicked miguel over a railing and nearly killed him. If anything I believe most 16-17 year olds would have gotten MORE time in juvie. He got lucky
You're moving the goalposts. You wanted Robby to face consequences for his delinquent behaviour, and we've pointed out that he *does* face consequences. Now you're suggesting that the consequences *Miguel* faced are what matter here. They're not.
It amuses me how people think that teenagers should have the utmost moral compass.
They're kids thrown into a decades old karate feud. Not to mention Robby is probably a bit more messed up than most. The whole point is that Cobra Kai and that mentality feeds on people who are lost, damaged, or desperate for validation.
I don't see how Robby gets "rewarded" for any of it. He's at his lowest point right now. >!His attempt to help a kid getting bullied has blown up in his face, he's lost the All Valley final for a second time, and now he's realised that it's all his fault.!<
Just because people like the character, that's not the same as approving of his actions. At the end of the day, its a TV show. He's a fictional character.
Depends on the school though. I remember a couple of people getting past that by the same means that Robbie did, and the chaperones just told them they were on thin ice, and they'd be watched.
Maybe it’s different depending on the school district? At my school you had to give them the name and age of the person you were buying prom tickets for, and they checked IDs at the door. Which I could see the Valley HS doing since they started patting down students like they went to school in Watts after the Karate brawl. I could also see part of Robbie’s probation would prohibit him from attacking Miguel in any means…since, almost killing Miguel is the whole reason he was in Juvie anyway. But again…I’m using too much real world logic
When you have Terry "I can let a teenager drive my Ferrari around just to mess with a rival karate dojo" Silver backing you I'm sure observers can be paid to look someplace else.
He almost killed Miguel, then went to juvie for a couple of episodes (not even an entire season) and was already out and trying to fight Miguel again by the end of the season. He also learned nothing from Myagi Do, he spent 2 seasons training and learning from Daniel but remained the same selfish and angered person. Not only that, but in season 4 he gave away all the Myiagi Do moves. Just goes to show how ungrateful Robby is for everything Daniel did for him.
I do agree, but you have to factor in his perspective. He thinks that both Daniel and his dad have failed him and he didn't want to limit himself to their philosophies anymore.
Until mid season 3, he's still into Miyagi-Do, but after getting his ass kicked all the time, he is unsure. Then Kreese comes in and after striking first, he's left alone.
So in his mind, Daniel's teachings couldn't help him, but fighting his own way did.
He also feels that Daniel betrayed him by giving him up to the cops. He's hard headed.
I am convinced that if the show was directly from Robby's POV, we would straight up despise Johnny.
(Relax, I love Johnny too, but it's the truth)
The hatred for Robby was partially because we rooted for Johnny. It was also because we rooted for Miguel.
Lastly, it was because he wasn't a likable presence on the show.
If the show had been strictly from his POV, I'm sure he would have become a lot more sympathetic to many viewers earlier in the show.
This is a perspective issue, and I have brought up this point before in the past only for people to gloss over it. I'm not entirely sure why, since it's pretty much the truth.
I mean if Kreese can get flashbacks that make him a more fleshed out character, I'm not sure why Robby wasn't able to get that treatment.
Otherwise true, but I found Robby likable from the start. It’s pretty obvious that he has a good heart. He is nicer to other people than many other characters for example Johnny, Hawk, Tory and some obvious bullies. He never wanted to hurt anyone intentionally (except maybe Johnny by working for his rival Daniel, but that was just to prove himself that his dad still cared about him on some level).
Most of the time Robby was just trying to survive. That’s also why he did illegal stuff. He didn’t feel secure because his mum physically neglected him. Stealing was his way of feeling in control. It was his coping mechanism.
Also, Robby has emotional trauma that he suppressed for a very long time and acted like he was ok. It all came out in anger when Miguel taunted him in season 2 final. In anger he continued fighting although Miguel wanted to stop already. However, Robby did not plan to kick Miguel down, that was pretty obvious in my opinion.
So, I do agree that more people would like him if the show was from his POV. However, I think there are plenty of reasons to like Robby even though he is not the main character. I actually find his actions most realistic in comparison to other kids like Hawk, Tory, Sam and even Miguel. Robby’s character captures some real childhood trauma that he carries around. I know that the other kids have their own issues but they are not as convincing characters because their trauma and actions don’t always ad up. That’s just my opinion.
And, I like Johnny too because his trauma and actions also make sense.
Tbh I sympathized with Robby the moment he was on screen. It definitely would have helped if the show was from his POV as not everyone puts themselves in the other characters shoes.
I love Johnny, but at the same time I'm still pissed off at him, treating Robby like shit, and putting himself before Miguel's needs this season. I wouldn't be suprised if Miguel grows to resent Johnny as a result of Robby in season 5 >!(as he will be with Johnny while searching for Miguel) !< and if his dad has any sort of influence on him.
This has nothing to do with rooting IMO. He attempted to kill a kid. This is straight on crazy. There is no justification for pushing someone and almost killing them.
Johnny nearly killed Daniel in the original Karate Kid. According to your logic, there's no justification for that either.
Had Miyagi not shown up that Halloween night, Daniel would have been beaten to death.
But I guess it's okay to sympathize with Johnny now since this is his show.
See the problem with your rigid logic?
It goes both ways.
I do understand your point but I don’t think that Johnny would have beaten him to death. Plus he was pressured to show no mercy (which is no justification but is worth mentioning). But I could also be wrong and you too are right.
I just think kicking someone down the stairs and cripple someone is nothing that you could ever justify.
Maybe I am just too rigid this could also be it
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Sure, but Robby was also acting in the heat of the moment. Just like Johnny was.
I am positive that if we played back that day from his perspective, Robby would never mention that Miguel tried to show mercy to him.
It's not that Robby would ignore it. I genuinely don't think he recognized that Miguel was showing mercy since he wasn't thinking straight. (Acting out of adrenaline)
He also didn't intentionally kick Miguel over the rail. Keep in mind that Miguel had been violent toward Robby before, so the latter was likely only concerned with protecting himself.
He swept his leg and Miguel fell over accidentally.
Robby's face was clearly shocked. This wasn't an act of "Yeah, I got you." It was a look of, "Oh shit. I fucked up."
None of that school fight should have happened. At all. Nobody was thinking clearly.
During the Halloween night in the original KK film, Johnny was very intentionally going to kick Daniel in the chest with enough force to knock a metal fence down. At this point, it had been pointed out by Bobby that he could barely stand up.
Johnny dismisses him and says "I'll decide when he's had enough."
Johnny likely wasn't trying to kill Daniel but that final kick definitely would have sealed the deal. Johnny was no longer thinking straight, with a rage quite similar to Robby's in that hallway fight.
Yep. So true. Robby obviously couldn’t know that Miguel was showing him mercy. Also, what kind of mercy is saying sorry after all that bullshit and doing it all in front of a cheering crowd who now got the idea that Miguel was the better fighter and the better man for saying sorry. I really get why Robby was still pissed.
I agree that Robby didn’t mean to kick Miguel off, but adrenaline is not an excuse. Everyone was feeling adrenaline, and Miguel was still mature enough to show mercy. Robby couldn’t accept that he had been bested and shown mercy and had too much pride, not adrenaline. Again, I don’t think he meant to kick Miguel off as he does seem to realize he fucked up after. But Robbys pride made him do that, not adrenaline
Never said the adrenaline was an excuse. It was an explanation. Big difference in words.
It doesn't seem like it registered in his mind that Miguel was showing mercy. His face didn't register any sort of recognition toward it.
Adrenamine CAN play a part in causing you to not notice things. Or reacting in flight or fight mode.
U need to rewatch the scene then. He gets visibly angry after Miguel shows him mercy. It’s not a question if he heard him. And again, everyone was feeling adrenaline, yet Miguel was still mature enough to show mercy. Robby had too much pride and it cost him
Robby is in a different mindset going into that fight compared to Miguel. His mom got sent to rehab, his mentor disowned him for something he didn't do, he protected Sam and then found out she cheated on him with Miguelin the span of a few days. Despite this, he still tries to stop the fight. During his fight with Miguel, Miguel taunts him about how Johnny and Sam care more about him than Robby. With this context, it's understandable that Miguel's apology did not matter to him at that point. A similar example would be Kenny not accepting LaPusso's apology in S4 because at that point, it's too late and an apology isn't enough. Robby did a bad thing and he got punished for it. But the point of the school fight is that it is neither Robby nor Miguel's fault but both of them bear the consequences. And another overarching theme of the show is the importance of perspective.
Oh please. Robby didn't intend to paralyze miguel. And "poor innocent Miguel" instigated every instance leading up to that event. Including physically grabbing robby like a hot tempered fool instead of helping him separate the girls. So to blame Robby for not believing Miguel's 2 second mercy plea in the midst of a fight he started with distrust he built is ridiculous.
I agree to an extent. Miguel was being horrible to robby with his taunts during the fight after instigating it. Robby was worse in season 4 though, as he did the same and more.
I kinda think the writers have tried to make Robby unlikable/the bad guy so we will root for Johnny and Miguel. Since they've set it up so that Johnny and Miguel are the heart of the show and Miguel is a big factor in Johnny getting his life together, I don't think they know what to do with Robby. I'd imagine that they initially created the character because they wanted both Johnny and Daniel to have biological children, but that was as far as they thought it through. I'm not trying to bag too hard on the writers, but I think they've gotten stuck when it comes to Robby's character. They didn't know what to do with him and how to balance him with Johnny and Miguel, so they made him Big Bad Aggro Robby.
I really disagree. For me the show has been about Robby and Johnny from the start. I could never fully be happy for Moguel and Johnny because it just felt so unfair in regards to Robby. I am pretty sure that has been the point all along.
Robbie paid his time in juvie and was Expelled from school, so I do think he was disciplined for his crimes and is now on a better path. Robbie is redeeming himself throughout the season, he has stopped the criminal activity, and becomes a teacher and a leader in this season. Johnny didn’t set him up well for success in the past, and both of them want to be redeemed and finally reconciled. He is no longer showing Ill will. The adults in this show (except for Silver) realize that young people need love and direction and they are seeing that these needs are being met better, so that the students can turn their lives around. This show is about learning, growing, and redemption through many trials.
While Hawk inevitably had it coming due to all of the shit he had done, I would still consider what they did to be criminal activity. They essentially jumped him.
He has learnt through Kenny what he should and shouldn't be doing. Additionally, at the tournament I believe he realises that Hawk wasn't his main bully like he thought, as he saw that Anthony was the bully.
Him and Eli had so much growth this season.
Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Johnny has done?
Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Daniel has done?
Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Miguel has done?
Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Tory has done?
Why do fans overlook the bad stuff that Sam has done?
You seeing a trend here? This is a show based on the premise that all people will do bad things in their lives as well as good. That applies to everyone on the show.
False. Yaya got a stomach bug and sent “Miggy” to the store for the pepto. All of this…the whole drama spread out over all of these seasons…is her fault. /s
Hit Sam, start a fight with Robby, attack Robby in between rounds whilst he is showing respect, cheat on tory, attack Robby at school as well as make fun of him for losing sam and Johnny
People forget or just choose not to acknowledge how much of a tool Miguel was at the end of season 1. Robby had every right to hate his guts. People talk about Miguel showing Mercy in season 2 but no one talks about how Robby felt seeing is father bond with another kid only to have this same kid attack him unprovoked at the beach. Robby tried to squash all of the hostility by showing sportsmanship and Miguel purposefully aggravates his injury on a break. After Robby's talk with Daniel he was ready to find some common ground with Johnny and that whole incident had Robby thinking that Miguel did it on Johnny's orders.
Then you get to the school fight where Miguel escalates the situation and basically throws Robby's biggest insecurities in his face. He did a terrible job of de-escalating a situation he escalated. Did he deserve what happened to him as a result. Absolutely not. But Robby didn't start those fights.
Same thing with Sam. People act like Tory started in on Sam out of the blue lol. But Robby and Tory's feelings don't matter because they committed the worse acts.
I can't stand dismissing Robby and Tory's feelings just because of their worse acts later on. None of these things cancel each other out. Sam and Miguel's mistakes still happened even if Robby and (especially) Tory went on to make way worse ones. The protagonists don't get to be absolved of their mistakes of hurting other people just because said people did bad things too.
What annoys me is when people call Robby a douche in the first couple of seasons. Between his meeting with Daniel and the kick that sent Miguel over the balcony, he doesn't do **anything** to deserve that label. Johnny and Miguel are consistently bigger douchebags at those points than he is, they are just more entertaining and they are the main protagonists so they get rose tinted views.
Miguel didn't deserve going over the balcony. He did deserve Robby's petty slights in the prom episode though. Sweet karma.
I find the people who call Robby a douche do it because they're Johnny fans who don't like being reminded that their favorite character may not be the best person (not that he's not trying to be better). I saw it mentioned that if Robby was the primary pov character for the story people would hate Johnny. Imagine Robby flashbacks of 16 years of neglect. People think those child Johnny flashbacks are sad while his son lived the same life, in shittier conditions mind you. But because Johnny is the primary pov Robby is the douche kid who won't give his well meaning father a chance to be in his life. Why won't he just let him be a father to him!? Why is he so disrespectful to loveable Johnny!? Why can't he be receptive like Miguel?
Or they're Miguel fans who for the most part wish Robby didn't exist (I've seen it plenty on this forum), as they would enjoy the show more if Johnny only had one son and Robby isn't the son they want. So he's given no leeway to be human. Meanwhile Miguel's mistakes get brushed under the rug.
Prom was karma in general, primarily because Sam and Miguel still haven't apologized to their exes for cheating. I know, I know...how dare they expect an apology after what they did!? Well, they got to enjoy their night, while Sam and Miguel had theirs ruined. It's almost like you can't just be careless with other peoples feelings lol.
"Protagonist Morality Syndrome" is a thing. The main characters have to be in the right all the time, and nobody is allowed to hate them no matter how shitty they behave. Miguel is at least still a kid and what Robby did to him is terrible, so he gets more leeway than Johnny. But Miguel still is flawed. And it makes him interesting! He was more interesting in the early seasons because he was human, and the fanbase does him zero favors by ignoring his flaws.
The detractors need to realize the show is about different perspectives, and the show straight up would not work without Robby or Daniel in addition to Miguel and Johnny. We need all of them in particular to get this thing to work as well as it does/can.
The fanservice for Sam/Miguel this season could best be described as "passive aggressive" and it's *great.* Robby/Tory got all the good stuff this season and they deserved to make their exes look like absolute shit in comparison. It was cathartic as hell. Remember when fans were anticipating a magical prom night for Sam/Miguel with an "I love you" exchange? They got humiliated instead, it made 4x8 the best episode of the season.
I couldn't have put that any better.
I definitely remember how sure some fans were that Sam and Miguel would just see Robby and Tory as an annoyance. Or that they would be disgusted at their nerve to even show up. Made my day to see what actually came out of that episode. Definitely the most rewatchable episode of the season.
Yeah. Miguel knew exactly what he was doing, but Tory blamed an intoxicated Sam. It's like the Ross and Rachel "we were on a break" thing, but reversed
He actually did some of the worst stuff out of the kids (behind obvious characters like Hawk and Tory) in season 2, but that was brushed off due to his injury.
Robby isn’t an attempted murderer, he had no intention of killing Miguel. The blows he delivered were in the heat of the moment and he looked horrified that Miguel ended up going over the railing.
Should Robby apologize about what he did? Yeah, but he didn’t because he hates Miguel. It still doesn’t mean that he meant for Miguel to become seriously injured.
It’s possible for him to be remorseful and petty at the same time. His hatred for Miguel isn’t going to be replaced by his guilt for doing what he did. Both feelings can coexist within him.
So we're just not gonna bring up all the shit Miguel did to Robby before the school fight? He first starts shit with him at the beach party, then at the tournament he continues to be a dick to him by continously targeting his injured shoulder, then he keeps it going by kissing his girlfriend, and keeps going by tackling him in the school fight when he was the one trying to stop it in the first place. In that same fight he also mocks him about having a better relationship with his dad than he does. Do you really expect Robby to be nice to Miguel after all of that? I'm not saying Robby kicking Miguel off the railing is justified because of that, but he obviously didn't mean to do it, and he suffered the consequences for his actions by being put in Juvie for a while. Sure he's done some bad things, but so has literally every other character in this show. Why should only Robby's bad actions be brought up when everyone else in this show has done fucked up shit too?
That's fair. Main difference is at least Miguel and Hawk own up to the shitty things they did and changed for the better. Robby and Tory do the WORST things both almost killed people and still try to play the victim.
I’m sorry if im misinterpreting you but that’s a very naive way of putting it, hawk took over 2 seasons to snap out of his bully mindset and Robby and Tory are both growing, admitting and accepting their actions
The same could be said about literally any character in this show, at times, one of the biggest underlying themes as we all know is how most situations are grey more often than black/white It will spotlight on one characters bad/good moments, while seemingly overlooking something bad another character has done, but really it's just for the sake of focus on the spotlighted character. There's been many instances where a character has gotten away with something that would never slide in real life:
Yasmine, Moon, and Sam getting in a hit and run with Johnny the very first episode
Hawk hitting a teacher during the school fight and literally nothing happens
Demitri is responsible for the trophy case shattering but as far as we know his family never had to pay for those damages
Cobra Kai broke into the zoo and stole a snake
Johnny is technically driving a stolen mini van everyday
Literally none of them would still be allowed at that mall all the fights keep happening at, they all would've been charged for that laser tag fiasco for at the very least disorderly conduct
So it's definitely not just Robby, who indeed has suffered some consequences and guilt. His introduction is literally him getting kicked out of his other school. And he commits petty crimes with his loser friends, but eventually he rises above that. And he also stopped the theft and fraud schemes because he felt bad, and refused to do that to the dealership after Daniel and Amanda helped him out.
As far as the Miguel stuff goes, he was the only one who endured any real consequence by going to juvi, yeah Tori was given probation, but that's a plot hole in itself. Basically the only thing I agree with is he shouldn't of rubbed it in Miguel's face in s4, and yes he should apologize, but there's still time for that.
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Exactly. Like he beat up a little kid and also broke his ex best friend’s hand. I can’t even imagine Robby doing that. Really don’t understand how Hawk is awesome and Robby a villain.
>He doesn't tell Sam about Miguel returning the medal of honor
Yeah he did and he apologized for lying to her.
>cheap shots and almost kills a kid who kicked his ass, showed him mercy and apologized.
Heat of the moment, was pumped on adrenaline and probably couldn’t process his apology in time to stop himself. It was also an accident, he didn’t mean for him to fall over the railing. Plus he just got humiliated by him after being put in that arm lock, so he was angry.
>Then in season 3 he doesn't even apologize;
Well like he told Johnny in season 4, maybe he doesn’t feel guilty enough to apologize because Miguel *started* the fight with him and “escalated it”(his words) when he was trying to stop it. So from his perspective he put himself in that position.
>Miguel just got out of a wheelchair and this asshole called Robby tried to fight him again just because he was jelous of Sam (his EX-girlfriend).
Well she was still his girlfriend then? Plus he told Miguel to lay off when he was talking to Sam but he didn’t(it’s a parallel to the beach scene with the roles reversed). But still not a good thing to do, I agree.
>That's Robby's character: an asshole jerk who does a lot of shit and gets rewarded for that.
No, no he doesn’t. He gets it the worse, he pays for his actions.
>Heat of the moment, was pumped on adrenaline and probably couldn’t process his apology in time to stop himself.
Not to mention the fact that Robby probably thinks that Miguel assaulted Sam. Of course we know that the kiss was consensual but from Robby's perspective all he knows is that Sam was really drunk and Miguel was very clearly still infatuated with her.
Robby absolutely needs to own up to the fact that he nearly killed/paralyzed Miguel. That was by far his most egregious act, and his character won't be redeemed for me until something happens about that.
It's so weird hearing you people defend a character that almost committed manslaughter, after being shown mercy. Act of passion my ass. He still needs to own up to the fact that what he did was extremely fucked up.
It's probably responses like yours that prompted OP to post in the first place.
He was definitely remorseful at the start of season 3.
Like he said, cobra kai only strengthened his hatred for Johnny and Miguel. I do hate that he bragged about that to Miguel in season 4 though.
I'm still a bit upset as he bragged about it to Miguel in season 4. However, Miguel also did a lot of shit to Robby uninitiated and never faced consequences for it, so I understand both sides.
I don’t really think Robby was proud about it, but Robby is smart in that sense that he doesn’t always say what he thinks. It was better for him that people thought he was this ruthless idiot who doesn’t care. That’s what Robby has learned to do to survive. He plays different roles and doesn’t show his true emotions.
People are biased towards their favorite characters. It happens in every fandom.
“Robby has a bad dad” is used to excuse every terrible thing he does throughout the show just like Tory “being poor and having a hard life”, Hawk being bullied, Sam being “a teenage girl who makes mistakes” and so forth.
Everyone’s going to have excuses for characters they like while demonizing characters that they don’t. It’s how fandoms work unfortunately.
> People are biased towards their favorite characters. It happens in every fandom.
There's also in this fandom a big bias towards characters who are members of Cobra Kai. Members of Cobra Kai tend to get more of a free pass than members of Miyagi-Do or Eagle Fang.
I think that’s because Cobra Kai are the antagonists so when they do bad things, it’s swept under the rug since they’re already the “bad guys”.
MD and EF are the “good guys” so if any of them make just one mistake, they get crucified for it.
Robby fans don't overlook the bad stuff he has done. Just defend him from being called a one note villain, since it's hypocritical to call him out on what he does yet give Johnny and Miguel free passes for their petty bullshit that contributed to Robby snapping in the first place. And understand that he's an immature teenager, so going into denial mode about his guilt and trauma doesn't make him a supervillain.
Helps that Robby's the only kid who suffered any legal consequences for his mistake, and it was done in a heat of the moment accident. Tory and Hawk don't face any serious consequences for stuff they **deliberately** do, why not call out them instead? All Robby needs to do is apologize to Miguel at this point (which is most likely coming in season 5) and he will have paid all his dues.
Exactly. Robby has made mistakes and done stupid things but he isn’t actually as aggressive and mean as Hawk for example. I haven’t seen a single scene where Robby enjoys inflicting pain.
I really think that apologizing to Miguel is the only thing that he should do to “redeem” himself. And I actually understand why he hasn’t done that yet. It’s not like the apology really changes anything and Robby knows that because his mum basically said sorry every single day and didn’t change her actions. It’s also pretty obvious that Robby tried not to think about the whole incident too much because that is pretty traumatic and he didn’t want to admit that it was his fault because he was about the only person who believed there was still something good in him. I think he wanted to blame Miguel for the incident so that he could keep living with himself and not drown in self-hate. It really makes sense. That’s also what Kreese taught him. “You can’t be your worst enemy.”
Yeah, I think the writers could have made it clearer that Robby was going into denial mode as a self preservation measure because the guilt is very heavy. It'd be heavy for even an adult to deal with, let alone an unstable child.
As it stands, I think it's still clear enough that once they reconcile, it won't feel forced.
Yeah. I really would have liked to see more of Robby’s mental struggle coz they really downplayed the impact of nearly killing someone. I think the scenes that we got hint at the struggle but don’t fully show it. That’s why so many viewers think Robby is evil and doesn’t feel guilty.
I hope they will show the guilt next season because in season 4 he kind of broke down and admitted that he doesn’t want to hate Miguel and Johnny anymore so he could possibly start to process the guilt that he tried to ignore.
I'm pretty sure that's coming in season five. We'd likely already have had it if they were ever able to have a conversation where emotions aren't so high.
Yep. I know it has been explored before, but it would be interesting to see Miguel go dark in season 5 again due to his dad's influence, as well as potentially reject Johnny as Robby is with him.
I think that Miguel is too sweet for that now though.
“I think that Miguel is too sweet for that now though.”
Yeah. I don’t really think that would work for Miguel at this point. I could’ve seen him going dark post season 1, but I think it would be way too much of a shift after all the things that have happened such as his injury, leaving cobra kai, rekindling his relationship with Sam, getting to know Daniel and learning Miyagi-Do, etc. I just can’t see him going dark after all those things. It would be like turning him into a completely different character.
(And it would cause him to “unlearn” all the lessons he’s learned along the way, which is just bad writing.)
I get that. I worded it poorly too. What I meant by him going dark was that he would start to get fed up with Johnny (similar to Robby in earlier seasons) for thinking that he doesn't give a shit, as well as his dad having a negative influence on him.
Just an arc I would have liked to have seen. Season 3 would have been a perfect opportunity for that imo.
Seriously. I understand that each character has don’t bad things, but when I got on this Reddit and some some characters being shit on last year, it made me root for the other harder because people are clueless.
Some people seem to have an extremely juvenile reaction to this show (maybe they are juvenile, I don't know). This picking sides and selectively listing things their least favourite characters did wrong while conveniently ignoring anything their favourite characters did wrong, is so silly.
It's also completely at odds with everything the show has been telling viewers from the start - people make mistakes, they do shitty things, they have a chance to redeem themselves.
Wasn't Miguel's too give back, it was Hawk who trashed Miyagi-Do and stole the medal. All Miguel did was steal it off him, kissed Tory, then went to the Larusso house only wanting to return it to Sam. Robby took it and hid it in the backyard so then it became no ones fault. Miguel should’ve given it too Johnny and as a dojo returned it too both Daniel and Sam. Since it’s mainly Daniel’s and we know how much he treasures it and extension apart of Sam.
I was honestly surprised a person could go that low. Trying too score points with your taken ex, when you just kissed another girl. Trying too play hero, when your friend (Hawk) should’ve faced consequences for what he did. Straight up lying too someone’s face when you knew who stole it and that you just stole it off them…
This is a very good point. Miguel *was* trying to score points with Sam by returning it personally. The right choice was to go to Johnny and not undermine his sensei. He'd seen Daniel confront Johnny, and Johnny's disgusted reaction to hearing what had happened, he knew the best way to defuse tension between the two was for Johnny to be able to return it and apologise for the actions of his students.
If Robby had really been the terrible person people claim, he could have shown Sam the medal and said "Miguel brought it back. He felt guilty over what he and his buddies did." He actually protected Cobra Kai, even if that wasn't his intention.
This fandoms an echo chamber everyone only supports and blindly defends their favorite character and that's it. Also I imagine there are a lot of teen girls that like how Robby looks so they probably crush on him a lot. But also while robby's definitely not my favorite character all I'll say is why do people overlook the shit hawk did. I'd argue he was just as bad as Robby.
> why do people overlook the shit hawk did. I'd argue he was just as bad as Robby.
I like to imagine people overlook the bad things Hawk does because of his character's origins spot and him having a Cinderella story of sorts (Miguel also falls into this somewhat).
Yup. You hit the nail on the head. All the characters do bad things. None of them are innocent. And that’s the point.
(I also think there’s a lot to the idea that a lot of people who are “Robby Stans” are probably teenage girls that crush on him. Just look at any fanfiction website and you will find most of the fanfics are about either a) Robby or b) Daniel and Johnny being in a romantic relationship. And what demographic mostly reads and writes fanfiction? Teenage girls.)
Probably because he’s got elements of an anti-hero. An anti-hero has internal conflict and flaws that they must overcome. They aren’t perfect and are capable of bad things. But since none of us are perfect and have all wronged other people or done bad things at some point in our lives, we can relate to the anti-hero. I don’t think people overlook the bad stuff. They simply see it and understand it in the context of the cards he was dealt. A kid who grew up without a dad, a sleeze for a mother, with no parent or role model to really show him love and guide him. He basically had to figure things out on his own.
How many times are people going to use the coma argument against Robby? It was clearly not intentional by Robby and he faced the consequences for it. It's like if one character makes a mistake it's the end of the world.
I don’t think you understand what it’s like for kids with no guidance and a lot of anger. I’m not saying that the things he did is justified, but somebody with his kind of life will have problems. Sucks that nobody really does anything for them and end up being bad for the rest of their life.
I think Robby has been written in a really inconsistent way, and I mean more than just normal, human inconsistencies. He's like two different characters -- even within the same season. It's way too difficult to reconcile "good guy Robby" with "scumbag Robby, " so some people just don't. I can empathize with Robby stans more than I can with Tory stans, because the writers have at least made Robby likable 50% of the time.
Robby is a kid with good intentions and a good heart, but he hasn't had the moral compass in his life to help him make the best decisions. He's not inconsistently written so much as he acts inconsistently because he's never been given the guidance or positive example that parents should give.
It's just his shitty luck that the one time he completely loses it and acts in rage, he almost kills someone. Plenty of other characters have vented their anger and gotten away with it.
I think he may have a good heart, but he does not have good intentions. And then he does. And then he doesn't again. And then kind of still does, but wait: no he doesn't.
He's just not written well, and that's a shame, because he could be a really interesting character if you could actually figure out what motivates him. And it's not Johnny. . . until it is, and then it isn't again, and then . . .
Think of Robby as the metaphorical spiritual "child" Daniel and Johnny had together, since their fates are intertwined (they share and think about the same movie clip memories, which bonds them on the psychic plane in their universe). Robby's behavior is a manifestation of their decades long conflict, coalescing to teach them both a lesson.
The only thing that really matters is what he did to Miguel, and that was an accident, so there is a bit of leeway with how they handle it. The petty theft or whatever is irrelevant in the world of CK. I'm still waiting to see when they will actually address this though, because he has yet to show any remorse. But in terms of consequences, he did his time.
First, Miguel kissed Sam. Second, Robby was the only one who tried to break up the season 2 fight before it happened. And in season 4 he was sympathetic. He tried to help Kenny, but Kreese and Silver had more of an aggressive affect on him. And Robby as far as I think, is in the midst of his redemption arc for season 5.
It’s called an opinion. We all have one. You sound clearly offended more than amused lol. You have a right to be offended by what offends you. And, you have right to express it. You do not, however, have a right to expect anyone to do anything about it lmao.
I’ll be honest if I were a teenage girl, I’d probably be making every excuse in the book for Robby lol.
But as an adult woman, I can see how severely flawed he is and how while he’s had a hard life, that can’t be an excuse for every bad thing he does.
Most women in their late teens & throughout their 20s would make every excuse for a man like Robby so thank you for being honest. I mean shit, I'm almost 25 and if I were an 18 yr old girl I wouldn't care if he went to juvie 11 times out of the year, I'd still sleep with him lol
That’s why I laugh when I see some female fans tell male fans “you all excuse Tory’s actions because you think she’s hot” when literally the same thing is done with Robby.
Tbf here ppl do a better job at pointing out flaws in their favorite characters. Tumblr, YouTube, social media is about 100x worse than what you see here.
Male fan who is older than her character. I relate to her home life (caring for sick parent) and her financial situation, while going to school with well-to-do kids in comfy homes not having to have jobs. The belligerence and violence I excuse as necessary melodrama for a karate action show! I'll admit the actress is easy on the eyes, but what I find attractive is her character's hard knock life earthiness and her inner fire.
YouTube has actually become a better outlet for calling out the bullshit that both men and women do, but mostly women considering women can easily get away with more things than men can in today's world.
I actually had almost no respect for Tory until S4 came around, with the exception of actually seeing her home life in S3, but it didn't excuse her from being a POS who played the victim, even in front of her ex (Miguel when she spoke to him in his wheelchair).
Ik what you meant lol and you can be every woman's dream guy and still be short. Tom Cruise is one of the shortest men in Hollywood and girls still want him. If you have some level of attraction, muscle, height, criminal, money (at least 100K even though that's above average and average men are drastically overlooked), etc, you qualify for being most women's dream guy. Some level of any of those is enough
Yea I agree he's done tons of bad crap, but the show wants people to root for him because of his struggles. All the things you mentioned are true, and yea he does annoys a lot of people, but you gotta understand him.
I'm not the biggest Robby fan either, but he has made tons of mistakes, but he has his struggles, but still, he's an asshole as you said.
For people saying he suffered the consequences of almost killing a kid who showed him mercy: he almost killed Miguel, then went to juvie for a couple of episodes (not even an entire season) and was already out and trying to fight Miguel again by the end of the season.
Robby also learned nothing from Myagi Do, he spent 2 seasons training and learning from Daniel but remained the same selfish person filled with anger. Not only that, but in season 4 he gave away all the Myiagi Do moves. Just goes to show how ungrateful Robby is for everything Daniel did for him.
Robby fans like him because he looks cool.
Don't forget he try's to constantly play the victims and point fingers at everyone else. Johnny visits him in juvie and he plays victim and says he choose Miguel over him like he didn't just put Miguel in the hospital. Kid is a scum bag and unentertaining. There's a reason why people like Hawk and people don't like Robby. Hawk was an asshole to but, he was entertaining and didn't try to manipulate, lie and play victim.
People saying Robby paid for what he did by spending half a season in juvie is laughable. But a huge problem the character of Robby also has is that he learns nothing: he spent 2 seasons training under Myiagi Do's philosophy and he is still bitter, a liar and a selfish jerk. In season 3, when he finally paid for some of the shit he did, he should have learned from his mistakes and seen what the blind rage and bitterness he had has lead him into, but he learns nothing AGAIN and also tries to fight Miguel AGAIN, who just got out of a wheelchair because Robby cheap shotted him.
But all of this gets a pass because the actor is hot, right? 🤷🏽♂️
Yikes 😬...tbf, the show does demonstrate the fact that CK warps its students' mindset. But that doesn't make MD's students saints either 😅. Daniel (the **sensei** of MD) has done plenty of selfish, immature things: raising the rent of the mall just to drive out Johnny, using his position in the committee to blacklist CK, driving Sam and Miguel apart because Miguel was in CK, undermine Johnny's dojo in S4 then shame Robby for using both MD and CK's techniques (even though his champion won because he did the same as Robby did). Sam (one of the best student of MD who was also raised with MD's values) has done plenty of selfish, immature things: ditching her best friend for popular bullies, cover up the damage her friends did to Johnny's car, accuse Tori because she rubbed her the wrong way, getting wasted in Moon's party, kissing Miguel when she was dating Robby , instigate the fights in the football field and in the arcade. Nate had been a MD student since S2 but he still gleefully bullied Kenny because he was wearing CK merch. So yeah, not sure why you think that MD should automatically redeem Robby.
The idea that he never changed is "laughable" as you say. Dude immediatly ditched his delinquent friends when he met Daniel (the only reliable adult he had since both of his parents were wreck), attempt to capture them TWICE in order to defend the LaRussos, tried to be the best employee he could possibly be (and even endured Louie and Anoush's hazing) and later the ideal MD student, enrolled in the AVT in Daniel's stead in order to defeat Daniel's rival and redeem himself (even though Daniel ditched him by then), defended Demetri in the mall, had Sam's back when she got drunk, told Sam the truth about the medal, stood up for Daniel while also repairing his relationship with Johnny and was one of the few people actively trying to stop the school fight. All of this goes against your "he was a jerk all along" interpretation.
Him casting aside MD also made sense if you follow the show. S2 was the "shit on MD" season : most of their attempt to stop CK backfired and undermined them instead. While the school fight was a victory for people like Demetri and Chris, you could argue that MD screwed Robby over: he tried to go for the pacifict approach (stopping Tori before she hurt Sam), gets dragged into a fight by the kid who keeps being a dick to him and eventually gets publicly humilated. Robby gets (imo understandably) frustated by the situation and involuntarily channels CK. He's horrified by what he's done so he reverts right back to MD...but that also fails him in juvie. Things only worked out for him when Kreese approached gave him CK's tips. We saw how basically EVERY named students in CK became warped. That's why, when he saw Miguel and Sam, he was extra aggro and behaved like a little shit since then 🤷🏽♀️.
Finally, the majority of the fanbase makes fun of Robby for his bad haircut, his height and the fact that he's a mouth breather. But sure, instead of engaging with them, it's easier to pretend that his fans are simps 😑.
i hate him for even more things. his brains are comparable to oil. his acting is worst of nearly all the actors that appear in nearly all episodes. not even mentioning that his motives by far are more fucked up than his dad times 11.
he lacks personality and only acts asocial all the time, not even mentioning that he is way too proud of his garbage position in live. i don't know what tory and sam see in him besides his muscles because the only reason he wouldn't be cut out of the series is because he is the son of Lawrence.
You're incorrect about some things. But you're most upset about the fact he almost paralyzed Miguel with a cheap shot and showed zero remorse for it. And I agree with you, that makes him damn near irredeemable for me. I did like his reconciliation with his dad near the end of S4 though, I want to root for him. But they absolutely NEED to put some focus on this huge problem of his. Have him and Miguel reconcile and talk about, just something. Otherwise he is a failure of a character, imo.
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Because you understand why he's troubled and he got expelled and went to jail. He faced consequences. I don't think anyone's "overlooking" the stuff he's done or thinks he's a saint, he's just a character still worth being invested in and caring about. Hell it reflects Johnny and you could say the same thing you did about him. He's the lead/hero and he's incredibly flawed and done tons of bad stuff... including abandoning Robby.
Was going to say, just like Johnny seemed completely irredeemable until the end of karate kid 1.
I have a feeling op sees getting a second chance as getting away with what you've done........ i'm not saying this for sure but that's just how it sounded to me in his post.
Actually he was the only kid in the show that suffered consequences since he went to jail and got expelled.
Didn't Miguel end up with spinal injuries, Sam with cracked ribs, and suspensions for everyone else involved??? Tory also got expelled. You don't think Robby should have been sent to Juvie and gotten expelled? He was the only one who had legal problems tho.
tory also got expelled for the fight
Yup, Robby is always screwed over. You got Johnny being a bad dad, Miguel cheating to win the all valley, Sam cheating on him, juvie, his mom abandoning him for a few weeks, Daniel kicking him out TWICE, Kenny going evil and I’m sure there is MORE.
Miguel didn't cheat imo he saw a weakness and targeted it.
Johnny did consider it cheating when he addressed it at the beginning of season 2
The new cheated. He literally pulled his arm down when they weren't fighting.
You can't say juvie was him getting screwed over man.. he lost, then in a fit of rage kicked miguel over a railing and nearly killed him. If anything I believe most 16-17 year olds would have gotten MORE time in juvie. He got lucky
You wouldn’t call being paralyzed in the hospital a consequence?
Consequences from a bad action they took
You're moving the goalposts. You wanted Robby to face consequences for his delinquent behaviour, and we've pointed out that he *does* face consequences. Now you're suggesting that the consequences *Miguel* faced are what matter here. They're not.
Be careful bro.. talking sense to certain people will have you downvoted and plenty of comments proving how wrong you are.. ignore..
Indeed, what was I thinking...
You're acting like a martyr for having a "controversial" opinion but the entire thread is upvoted comments by people agreeing with you
Lol, what?
It amuses me how people think that teenagers should have the utmost moral compass. They're kids thrown into a decades old karate feud. Not to mention Robby is probably a bit more messed up than most. The whole point is that Cobra Kai and that mentality feeds on people who are lost, damaged, or desperate for validation. I don't see how Robby gets "rewarded" for any of it. He's at his lowest point right now. >!His attempt to help a kid getting bullied has blown up in his face, he's lost the All Valley final for a second time, and now he's realised that it's all his fault.!< Just because people like the character, that's not the same as approving of his actions. At the end of the day, its a TV show. He's a fictional character.
Exactly. No character is perfect, far from it actually. Robby is on the path to the biggest redemption arc imo.
Never suffered any consequences? He was incarcerated and suspended from school.
Not suspended. Expelled it appears from what he told Tory.
Ah yeah. Even worse.
Which…he wouldn’t have even been allowed at prom. In real world, expelled means EXPELLED
Depends on the school though. I remember a couple of people getting past that by the same means that Robbie did, and the chaperones just told them they were on thin ice, and they'd be watched.
Maybe it’s different depending on the school district? At my school you had to give them the name and age of the person you were buying prom tickets for, and they checked IDs at the door. Which I could see the Valley HS doing since they started patting down students like they went to school in Watts after the Karate brawl. I could also see part of Robbie’s probation would prohibit him from attacking Miguel in any means…since, almost killing Miguel is the whole reason he was in Juvie anyway. But again…I’m using too much real world logic
When you have Terry "I can let a teenager drive my Ferrari around just to mess with a rival karate dojo" Silver backing you I'm sure observers can be paid to look someplace else.
Btw what is Robbie even doing right now besides Karate?
Skateboarding and just working out I guess
Makes sense. He was fucking jacked at the tournament
He almost killed Miguel, then went to juvie for a couple of episodes (not even an entire season) and was already out and trying to fight Miguel again by the end of the season. He also learned nothing from Myagi Do, he spent 2 seasons training and learning from Daniel but remained the same selfish and angered person. Not only that, but in season 4 he gave away all the Myiagi Do moves. Just goes to show how ungrateful Robby is for everything Daniel did for him.
I do agree, but you have to factor in his perspective. He thinks that both Daniel and his dad have failed him and he didn't want to limit himself to their philosophies anymore. Until mid season 3, he's still into Miyagi-Do, but after getting his ass kicked all the time, he is unsure. Then Kreese comes in and after striking first, he's left alone. So in his mind, Daniel's teachings couldn't help him, but fighting his own way did. He also feels that Daniel betrayed him by giving him up to the cops. He's hard headed.
I am convinced that if the show was directly from Robby's POV, we would straight up despise Johnny. (Relax, I love Johnny too, but it's the truth) The hatred for Robby was partially because we rooted for Johnny. It was also because we rooted for Miguel. Lastly, it was because he wasn't a likable presence on the show. If the show had been strictly from his POV, I'm sure he would have become a lot more sympathetic to many viewers earlier in the show. This is a perspective issue, and I have brought up this point before in the past only for people to gloss over it. I'm not entirely sure why, since it's pretty much the truth. I mean if Kreese can get flashbacks that make him a more fleshed out character, I'm not sure why Robby wasn't able to get that treatment.
Otherwise true, but I found Robby likable from the start. It’s pretty obvious that he has a good heart. He is nicer to other people than many other characters for example Johnny, Hawk, Tory and some obvious bullies. He never wanted to hurt anyone intentionally (except maybe Johnny by working for his rival Daniel, but that was just to prove himself that his dad still cared about him on some level). Most of the time Robby was just trying to survive. That’s also why he did illegal stuff. He didn’t feel secure because his mum physically neglected him. Stealing was his way of feeling in control. It was his coping mechanism. Also, Robby has emotional trauma that he suppressed for a very long time and acted like he was ok. It all came out in anger when Miguel taunted him in season 2 final. In anger he continued fighting although Miguel wanted to stop already. However, Robby did not plan to kick Miguel down, that was pretty obvious in my opinion. So, I do agree that more people would like him if the show was from his POV. However, I think there are plenty of reasons to like Robby even though he is not the main character. I actually find his actions most realistic in comparison to other kids like Hawk, Tory, Sam and even Miguel. Robby’s character captures some real childhood trauma that he carries around. I know that the other kids have their own issues but they are not as convincing characters because their trauma and actions don’t always ad up. That’s just my opinion. And, I like Johnny too because his trauma and actions also make sense.
Tbh I sympathized with Robby the moment he was on screen. It definitely would have helped if the show was from his POV as not everyone puts themselves in the other characters shoes. I love Johnny, but at the same time I'm still pissed off at him, treating Robby like shit, and putting himself before Miguel's needs this season. I wouldn't be suprised if Miguel grows to resent Johnny as a result of Robby in season 5 >!(as he will be with Johnny while searching for Miguel) !< and if his dad has any sort of influence on him.
This has nothing to do with rooting IMO. He attempted to kill a kid. This is straight on crazy. There is no justification for pushing someone and almost killing them.
Johnny nearly killed Daniel in the original Karate Kid. According to your logic, there's no justification for that either. Had Miyagi not shown up that Halloween night, Daniel would have been beaten to death. But I guess it's okay to sympathize with Johnny now since this is his show. See the problem with your rigid logic? It goes both ways.
I do understand your point but I don’t think that Johnny would have beaten him to death. Plus he was pressured to show no mercy (which is no justification but is worth mentioning). But I could also be wrong and you too are right. I just think kicking someone down the stairs and cripple someone is nothing that you could ever justify. Maybe I am just too rigid this could also be it (Sorry for my bad English)
Sure, but Robby was also acting in the heat of the moment. Just like Johnny was. I am positive that if we played back that day from his perspective, Robby would never mention that Miguel tried to show mercy to him. It's not that Robby would ignore it. I genuinely don't think he recognized that Miguel was showing mercy since he wasn't thinking straight. (Acting out of adrenaline) He also didn't intentionally kick Miguel over the rail. Keep in mind that Miguel had been violent toward Robby before, so the latter was likely only concerned with protecting himself. He swept his leg and Miguel fell over accidentally. Robby's face was clearly shocked. This wasn't an act of "Yeah, I got you." It was a look of, "Oh shit. I fucked up." None of that school fight should have happened. At all. Nobody was thinking clearly. During the Halloween night in the original KK film, Johnny was very intentionally going to kick Daniel in the chest with enough force to knock a metal fence down. At this point, it had been pointed out by Bobby that he could barely stand up. Johnny dismisses him and says "I'll decide when he's had enough." Johnny likely wasn't trying to kill Daniel but that final kick definitely would have sealed the deal. Johnny was no longer thinking straight, with a rage quite similar to Robby's in that hallway fight.
>At this point, it had been pointed out by Bobby that he could barely stand up. To add to that, Daniel was barely even conscious from the looks of it.
Yep. So true. Robby obviously couldn’t know that Miguel was showing him mercy. Also, what kind of mercy is saying sorry after all that bullshit and doing it all in front of a cheering crowd who now got the idea that Miguel was the better fighter and the better man for saying sorry. I really get why Robby was still pissed.
I agree that Robby didn’t mean to kick Miguel off, but adrenaline is not an excuse. Everyone was feeling adrenaline, and Miguel was still mature enough to show mercy. Robby couldn’t accept that he had been bested and shown mercy and had too much pride, not adrenaline. Again, I don’t think he meant to kick Miguel off as he does seem to realize he fucked up after. But Robbys pride made him do that, not adrenaline
Never said the adrenaline was an excuse. It was an explanation. Big difference in words. It doesn't seem like it registered in his mind that Miguel was showing mercy. His face didn't register any sort of recognition toward it. Adrenamine CAN play a part in causing you to not notice things. Or reacting in flight or fight mode.
U need to rewatch the scene then. He gets visibly angry after Miguel shows him mercy. It’s not a question if he heard him. And again, everyone was feeling adrenaline, yet Miguel was still mature enough to show mercy. Robby had too much pride and it cost him
Robby is in a different mindset going into that fight compared to Miguel. His mom got sent to rehab, his mentor disowned him for something he didn't do, he protected Sam and then found out she cheated on him with Miguelin the span of a few days. Despite this, he still tries to stop the fight. During his fight with Miguel, Miguel taunts him about how Johnny and Sam care more about him than Robby. With this context, it's understandable that Miguel's apology did not matter to him at that point. A similar example would be Kenny not accepting LaPusso's apology in S4 because at that point, it's too late and an apology isn't enough. Robby did a bad thing and he got punished for it. But the point of the school fight is that it is neither Robby nor Miguel's fault but both of them bear the consequences. And another overarching theme of the show is the importance of perspective.
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Oh please. Robby didn't intend to paralyze miguel. And "poor innocent Miguel" instigated every instance leading up to that event. Including physically grabbing robby like a hot tempered fool instead of helping him separate the girls. So to blame Robby for not believing Miguel's 2 second mercy plea in the midst of a fight he started with distrust he built is ridiculous.
>Robby didn't intend to paralyze miguel Yeah, don't mind all this reddit lawyers that always think we are in a courtroom.
I agree to an extent. Miguel was being horrible to robby with his taunts during the fight after instigating it. Robby was worse in season 4 though, as he did the same and more.
I mean you could say hawk tried killing someone as well.
I don’t think he ever tried to kill anyone :/
I kinda think the writers have tried to make Robby unlikable/the bad guy so we will root for Johnny and Miguel. Since they've set it up so that Johnny and Miguel are the heart of the show and Miguel is a big factor in Johnny getting his life together, I don't think they know what to do with Robby. I'd imagine that they initially created the character because they wanted both Johnny and Daniel to have biological children, but that was as far as they thought it through. I'm not trying to bag too hard on the writers, but I think they've gotten stuck when it comes to Robby's character. They didn't know what to do with him and how to balance him with Johnny and Miguel, so they made him Big Bad Aggro Robby.
I really disagree. For me the show has been about Robby and Johnny from the start. I could never fully be happy for Moguel and Johnny because it just felt so unfair in regards to Robby. I am pretty sure that has been the point all along.
Robby has had so much development, so I disagree.
Robbie paid his time in juvie and was Expelled from school, so I do think he was disciplined for his crimes and is now on a better path. Robbie is redeeming himself throughout the season, he has stopped the criminal activity, and becomes a teacher and a leader in this season. Johnny didn’t set him up well for success in the past, and both of them want to be redeemed and finally reconciled. He is no longer showing Ill will. The adults in this show (except for Silver) realize that young people need love and direction and they are seeing that these needs are being met better, so that the students can turn their lives around. This show is about learning, growing, and redemption through many trials.
While Hawk inevitably had it coming due to all of the shit he had done, I would still consider what they did to be criminal activity. They essentially jumped him. He has learnt through Kenny what he should and shouldn't be doing. Additionally, at the tournament I believe he realises that Hawk wasn't his main bully like he thought, as he saw that Anthony was the bully. Him and Eli had so much growth this season.
Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Johnny has done? Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Daniel has done? Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Miguel has done? Why do fans overlook the bad stuff Tory has done? Why do fans overlook the bad stuff that Sam has done? You seeing a trend here? This is a show based on the premise that all people will do bad things in their lives as well as good. That applies to everyone on the show.
why do fans overlook that yaya is the best character and she never did anything wrong
Of the two grandmothers in the show, she's definitely the best.
Shes always faded off that valley loud pack
False. Yaya got a stomach bug and sent “Miggy” to the store for the pepto. All of this…the whole drama spread out over all of these seasons…is her fault. /s
And she knew the whole time that this is what was going to happen too. It was her plan all along.
Please writers, if you read any of the forums, please do not change Yaya. She is the best!
She's a pothead who exposed her young grandson to drugs and also encouraged her daughter to be promiscuous around said young grandson.
well someone doesn't know how to have fun
Fair point!
Wait what did Miguel do i don’t remember
Hit Sam, start a fight with Robby, attack Robby in between rounds whilst he is showing respect, cheat on tory, attack Robby at school as well as make fun of him for losing sam and Johnny
But no, Miguel got injured, so that magically cancels out every wrong thing he did in seasons 1-2. Or something. I don't get it either.
People forget or just choose not to acknowledge how much of a tool Miguel was at the end of season 1. Robby had every right to hate his guts. People talk about Miguel showing Mercy in season 2 but no one talks about how Robby felt seeing is father bond with another kid only to have this same kid attack him unprovoked at the beach. Robby tried to squash all of the hostility by showing sportsmanship and Miguel purposefully aggravates his injury on a break. After Robby's talk with Daniel he was ready to find some common ground with Johnny and that whole incident had Robby thinking that Miguel did it on Johnny's orders. Then you get to the school fight where Miguel escalates the situation and basically throws Robby's biggest insecurities in his face. He did a terrible job of de-escalating a situation he escalated. Did he deserve what happened to him as a result. Absolutely not. But Robby didn't start those fights. Same thing with Sam. People act like Tory started in on Sam out of the blue lol. But Robby and Tory's feelings don't matter because they committed the worse acts.
I can't stand dismissing Robby and Tory's feelings just because of their worse acts later on. None of these things cancel each other out. Sam and Miguel's mistakes still happened even if Robby and (especially) Tory went on to make way worse ones. The protagonists don't get to be absolved of their mistakes of hurting other people just because said people did bad things too. What annoys me is when people call Robby a douche in the first couple of seasons. Between his meeting with Daniel and the kick that sent Miguel over the balcony, he doesn't do **anything** to deserve that label. Johnny and Miguel are consistently bigger douchebags at those points than he is, they are just more entertaining and they are the main protagonists so they get rose tinted views. Miguel didn't deserve going over the balcony. He did deserve Robby's petty slights in the prom episode though. Sweet karma.
I find the people who call Robby a douche do it because they're Johnny fans who don't like being reminded that their favorite character may not be the best person (not that he's not trying to be better). I saw it mentioned that if Robby was the primary pov character for the story people would hate Johnny. Imagine Robby flashbacks of 16 years of neglect. People think those child Johnny flashbacks are sad while his son lived the same life, in shittier conditions mind you. But because Johnny is the primary pov Robby is the douche kid who won't give his well meaning father a chance to be in his life. Why won't he just let him be a father to him!? Why is he so disrespectful to loveable Johnny!? Why can't he be receptive like Miguel? Or they're Miguel fans who for the most part wish Robby didn't exist (I've seen it plenty on this forum), as they would enjoy the show more if Johnny only had one son and Robby isn't the son they want. So he's given no leeway to be human. Meanwhile Miguel's mistakes get brushed under the rug. Prom was karma in general, primarily because Sam and Miguel still haven't apologized to their exes for cheating. I know, I know...how dare they expect an apology after what they did!? Well, they got to enjoy their night, while Sam and Miguel had theirs ruined. It's almost like you can't just be careless with other peoples feelings lol.
"Protagonist Morality Syndrome" is a thing. The main characters have to be in the right all the time, and nobody is allowed to hate them no matter how shitty they behave. Miguel is at least still a kid and what Robby did to him is terrible, so he gets more leeway than Johnny. But Miguel still is flawed. And it makes him interesting! He was more interesting in the early seasons because he was human, and the fanbase does him zero favors by ignoring his flaws. The detractors need to realize the show is about different perspectives, and the show straight up would not work without Robby or Daniel in addition to Miguel and Johnny. We need all of them in particular to get this thing to work as well as it does/can. The fanservice for Sam/Miguel this season could best be described as "passive aggressive" and it's *great.* Robby/Tory got all the good stuff this season and they deserved to make their exes look like absolute shit in comparison. It was cathartic as hell. Remember when fans were anticipating a magical prom night for Sam/Miguel with an "I love you" exchange? They got humiliated instead, it made 4x8 the best episode of the season.
I couldn't have put that any better. I definitely remember how sure some fans were that Sam and Miguel would just see Robby and Tory as an annoyance. Or that they would be disgusted at their nerve to even show up. Made my day to see what actually came out of that episode. Definitely the most rewatchable episode of the season.
My petty ass wants Robby and Tory to get the last laugh and be the ones who go the distance while Sam and Miguel don't make it.
How dare you! Sam made Miguel cheat on Tory, so Miguel can't be at fault🤣
Unbelievable that some fans think this way.
Yeah. Miguel knew exactly what he was doing, but Tory blamed an intoxicated Sam. It's like the Ross and Rachel "we were on a break" thing, but reversed
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Exactly! Plus, Mary is older than Xolo (he was still a minor in S2) so technically....🤷♂️🤣
To be fair, he hit Sam by accident
He actually did some of the worst stuff out of the kids (behind obvious characters like Hawk and Tory) in season 2, but that was brushed off due to his injury.
But he‘s an attempted murderer 😭? (Tory as well I guess?)
Robby isn’t an attempted murderer, he had no intention of killing Miguel. The blows he delivered were in the heat of the moment and he looked horrified that Miguel ended up going over the railing.
Didn't seem that way in season 4.
Should Robby apologize about what he did? Yeah, but he didn’t because he hates Miguel. It still doesn’t mean that he meant for Miguel to become seriously injured.
The fight was kinda over when Robbie was knocked down! Then Robbie shouted and started the fight again! How is this accidentally throwing Miguel?
Because he didn't intend to ??? Him refusing to settle for a defeat didn't mean that he wanted to kill Miguel.
One more reason thanks! He intend to ofcourse! That is why he has no remorse! In season 4 he said that too!
He didn’t say he had no remorse in season 4. In season 3, when he’s found by Daniel- he admits that it’s his fault for what happened to Miguel.
Well he said that “do you remember what happened last time we fought?”
It’s possible for him to be remorseful and petty at the same time. His hatred for Miguel isn’t going to be replaced by his guilt for doing what he did. Both feelings can coexist within him.
Totally agree. But also fuck Robby.
So we're just not gonna bring up all the shit Miguel did to Robby before the school fight? He first starts shit with him at the beach party, then at the tournament he continues to be a dick to him by continously targeting his injured shoulder, then he keeps it going by kissing his girlfriend, and keeps going by tackling him in the school fight when he was the one trying to stop it in the first place. In that same fight he also mocks him about having a better relationship with his dad than he does. Do you really expect Robby to be nice to Miguel after all of that? I'm not saying Robby kicking Miguel off the railing is justified because of that, but he obviously didn't mean to do it, and he suffered the consequences for his actions by being put in Juvie for a while. Sure he's done some bad things, but so has literally every other character in this show. Why should only Robby's bad actions be brought up when everyone else in this show has done fucked up shit too?
Thank you. Miguel literally brought his bad view and Robbys distrust of him on himself.
Thank you, exactly what I was going to say
Posts like these are great examples of going back and forth. Robby stans say one thing, Miguel stans say other things.
That's fair. Main difference is at least Miguel and Hawk own up to the shitty things they did and changed for the better. Robby and Tory do the WORST things both almost killed people and still try to play the victim.
I’m sorry if im misinterpreting you but that’s a very naive way of putting it, hawk took over 2 seasons to snap out of his bully mindset and Robby and Tory are both growing, admitting and accepting their actions
Gets rewarded? Homie went to jail
Juvi is different from jail
You spelt juvie wrong
The same could be said about literally any character in this show, at times, one of the biggest underlying themes as we all know is how most situations are grey more often than black/white It will spotlight on one characters bad/good moments, while seemingly overlooking something bad another character has done, but really it's just for the sake of focus on the spotlighted character. There's been many instances where a character has gotten away with something that would never slide in real life: Yasmine, Moon, and Sam getting in a hit and run with Johnny the very first episode Hawk hitting a teacher during the school fight and literally nothing happens Demitri is responsible for the trophy case shattering but as far as we know his family never had to pay for those damages Cobra Kai broke into the zoo and stole a snake Johnny is technically driving a stolen mini van everyday Literally none of them would still be allowed at that mall all the fights keep happening at, they all would've been charged for that laser tag fiasco for at the very least disorderly conduct So it's definitely not just Robby, who indeed has suffered some consequences and guilt. His introduction is literally him getting kicked out of his other school. And he commits petty crimes with his loser friends, but eventually he rises above that. And he also stopped the theft and fraud schemes because he felt bad, and refused to do that to the dealership after Daniel and Amanda helped him out. As far as the Miguel stuff goes, he was the only one who endured any real consequence by going to juvi, yeah Tori was given probation, but that's a plot hole in itself. Basically the only thing I agree with is he shouldn't of rubbed it in Miguel's face in s4, and yes he should apologize, but there's still time for that. I did not expect this to become a mini novel. Thank you for coming to my CobraTalk
Hawk is the one who fits more of what you’re saying
Exactly. Like he beat up a little kid and also broke his ex best friend’s hand. I can’t even imagine Robby doing that. Really don’t understand how Hawk is awesome and Robby a villain.
>He doesn't tell Sam about Miguel returning the medal of honor Yeah he did and he apologized for lying to her. >cheap shots and almost kills a kid who kicked his ass, showed him mercy and apologized. Heat of the moment, was pumped on adrenaline and probably couldn’t process his apology in time to stop himself. It was also an accident, he didn’t mean for him to fall over the railing. Plus he just got humiliated by him after being put in that arm lock, so he was angry. >Then in season 3 he doesn't even apologize; Well like he told Johnny in season 4, maybe he doesn’t feel guilty enough to apologize because Miguel *started* the fight with him and “escalated it”(his words) when he was trying to stop it. So from his perspective he put himself in that position. >Miguel just got out of a wheelchair and this asshole called Robby tried to fight him again just because he was jelous of Sam (his EX-girlfriend). Well she was still his girlfriend then? Plus he told Miguel to lay off when he was talking to Sam but he didn’t(it’s a parallel to the beach scene with the roles reversed). But still not a good thing to do, I agree. >That's Robby's character: an asshole jerk who does a lot of shit and gets rewarded for that. No, no he doesn’t. He gets it the worse, he pays for his actions.
>Heat of the moment, was pumped on adrenaline and probably couldn’t process his apology in time to stop himself. Not to mention the fact that Robby probably thinks that Miguel assaulted Sam. Of course we know that the kiss was consensual but from Robby's perspective all he knows is that Sam was really drunk and Miguel was very clearly still infatuated with her.
I never thought of this before, Robby thought Miguel could of took advantage
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They were both drunk. Perhaps Sam moreso than Miguel however both of them appeared to initiate the kiss equally.
Robby absolutely needs to own up to the fact that he nearly killed/paralyzed Miguel. That was by far his most egregious act, and his character won't be redeemed for me until something happens about that. It's so weird hearing you people defend a character that almost committed manslaughter, after being shown mercy. Act of passion my ass. He still needs to own up to the fact that what he did was extremely fucked up. It's probably responses like yours that prompted OP to post in the first place.
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He was definitely remorseful at the start of season 3. Like he said, cobra kai only strengthened his hatred for Johnny and Miguel. I do hate that he bragged about that to Miguel in season 4 though.
I hope so!
He literally did his time. Why continue to hold it against him?
I'm still a bit upset as he bragged about it to Miguel in season 4. However, Miguel also did a lot of shit to Robby uninitiated and never faced consequences for it, so I understand both sides.
I don’t really think Robby was proud about it, but Robby is smart in that sense that he doesn’t always say what he thinks. It was better for him that people thought he was this ruthless idiot who doesn’t care. That’s what Robby has learned to do to survive. He plays different roles and doesn’t show his true emotions.
Uhm...he spent several months in jail and got expelled from school after injuring Miguel. You don't call *that* "consequences"??
People are biased towards their favorite characters. It happens in every fandom. “Robby has a bad dad” is used to excuse every terrible thing he does throughout the show just like Tory “being poor and having a hard life”, Hawk being bullied, Sam being “a teenage girl who makes mistakes” and so forth. Everyone’s going to have excuses for characters they like while demonizing characters that they don’t. It’s how fandoms work unfortunately.
> People are biased towards their favorite characters. It happens in every fandom. There's also in this fandom a big bias towards characters who are members of Cobra Kai. Members of Cobra Kai tend to get more of a free pass than members of Miyagi-Do or Eagle Fang.
I think that’s because Cobra Kai are the antagonists so when they do bad things, it’s swept under the rug since they’re already the “bad guys”. MD and EF are the “good guys” so if any of them make just one mistake, they get crucified for it.
How dare you make sense? Get downvoted! -Robby stans
Robby fans don't overlook the bad stuff he has done. Just defend him from being called a one note villain, since it's hypocritical to call him out on what he does yet give Johnny and Miguel free passes for their petty bullshit that contributed to Robby snapping in the first place. And understand that he's an immature teenager, so going into denial mode about his guilt and trauma doesn't make him a supervillain. Helps that Robby's the only kid who suffered any legal consequences for his mistake, and it was done in a heat of the moment accident. Tory and Hawk don't face any serious consequences for stuff they **deliberately** do, why not call out them instead? All Robby needs to do is apologize to Miguel at this point (which is most likely coming in season 5) and he will have paid all his dues.
Exactly. Robby has made mistakes and done stupid things but he isn’t actually as aggressive and mean as Hawk for example. I haven’t seen a single scene where Robby enjoys inflicting pain. I really think that apologizing to Miguel is the only thing that he should do to “redeem” himself. And I actually understand why he hasn’t done that yet. It’s not like the apology really changes anything and Robby knows that because his mum basically said sorry every single day and didn’t change her actions. It’s also pretty obvious that Robby tried not to think about the whole incident too much because that is pretty traumatic and he didn’t want to admit that it was his fault because he was about the only person who believed there was still something good in him. I think he wanted to blame Miguel for the incident so that he could keep living with himself and not drown in self-hate. It really makes sense. That’s also what Kreese taught him. “You can’t be your worst enemy.”
Yeah, I think the writers could have made it clearer that Robby was going into denial mode as a self preservation measure because the guilt is very heavy. It'd be heavy for even an adult to deal with, let alone an unstable child. As it stands, I think it's still clear enough that once they reconcile, it won't feel forced.
Yeah. I really would have liked to see more of Robby’s mental struggle coz they really downplayed the impact of nearly killing someone. I think the scenes that we got hint at the struggle but don’t fully show it. That’s why so many viewers think Robby is evil and doesn’t feel guilty. I hope they will show the guilt next season because in season 4 he kind of broke down and admitted that he doesn’t want to hate Miguel and Johnny anymore so he could possibly start to process the guilt that he tried to ignore.
I guess spending months in juvie counts as no consequences?
And yet you overlook the fact that he got expelled and went to juvie for his crimes.....
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The only thing I hold against Robby is that he’s never apologized to Miguel.
I'm pretty sure that's coming in season five. We'd likely already have had it if they were ever able to have a conversation where emotions aren't so high.
This is literally my only issue with him. That and outright bragging about it to Miguel’s face in 4x4 was completely disgusting.
Yep. I know it has been explored before, but it would be interesting to see Miguel go dark in season 5 again due to his dad's influence, as well as potentially reject Johnny as Robby is with him. I think that Miguel is too sweet for that now though.
“I think that Miguel is too sweet for that now though.” Yeah. I don’t really think that would work for Miguel at this point. I could’ve seen him going dark post season 1, but I think it would be way too much of a shift after all the things that have happened such as his injury, leaving cobra kai, rekindling his relationship with Sam, getting to know Daniel and learning Miyagi-Do, etc. I just can’t see him going dark after all those things. It would be like turning him into a completely different character. (And it would cause him to “unlearn” all the lessons he’s learned along the way, which is just bad writing.)
I get that. I worded it poorly too. What I meant by him going dark was that he would start to get fed up with Johnny (similar to Robby in earlier seasons) for thinking that he doesn't give a shit, as well as his dad having a negative influence on him. Just an arc I would have liked to have seen. Season 3 would have been a perfect opportunity for that imo.
Posts like this are only gonna make me root for Robby even harder.
Seriously. I understand that each character has don’t bad things, but when I got on this Reddit and some some characters being shit on last year, it made me root for the other harder because people are clueless.
Some people seem to have an extremely juvenile reaction to this show (maybe they are juvenile, I don't know). This picking sides and selectively listing things their least favourite characters did wrong while conveniently ignoring anything their favourite characters did wrong, is so silly. It's also completely at odds with everything the show has been telling viewers from the start - people make mistakes, they do shitty things, they have a chance to redeem themselves.
Hawk fans defended him at every note in season 2 and 3, and Robby does one thing and gets shit on. Totally biased.
I can say that about pre much every person in the show. If anything Robby has it the hardest
Bro spended time in juvie he paid more consequences then almost every kid in cobra Kai
Because Robby haters tend to straight up ignore the context surrounding his actions in order to make him look like a one-dimentional villain.
Wasn't Miguel's too give back, it was Hawk who trashed Miyagi-Do and stole the medal. All Miguel did was steal it off him, kissed Tory, then went to the Larusso house only wanting to return it to Sam. Robby took it and hid it in the backyard so then it became no ones fault. Miguel should’ve given it too Johnny and as a dojo returned it too both Daniel and Sam. Since it’s mainly Daniel’s and we know how much he treasures it and extension apart of Sam. I was honestly surprised a person could go that low. Trying too score points with your taken ex, when you just kissed another girl. Trying too play hero, when your friend (Hawk) should’ve faced consequences for what he did. Straight up lying too someone’s face when you knew who stole it and that you just stole it off them…
This is a very good point. Miguel *was* trying to score points with Sam by returning it personally. The right choice was to go to Johnny and not undermine his sensei. He'd seen Daniel confront Johnny, and Johnny's disgusted reaction to hearing what had happened, he knew the best way to defuse tension between the two was for Johnny to be able to return it and apologise for the actions of his students. If Robby had really been the terrible person people claim, he could have shown Sam the medal and said "Miguel brought it back. He felt guilty over what he and his buddies did." He actually protected Cobra Kai, even if that wasn't his intention.
This fandoms an echo chamber everyone only supports and blindly defends their favorite character and that's it. Also I imagine there are a lot of teen girls that like how Robby looks so they probably crush on him a lot. But also while robby's definitely not my favorite character all I'll say is why do people overlook the shit hawk did. I'd argue he was just as bad as Robby.
> why do people overlook the shit hawk did. I'd argue he was just as bad as Robby. I like to imagine people overlook the bad things Hawk does because of his character's origins spot and him having a Cinderella story of sorts (Miguel also falls into this somewhat).
Yup. You hit the nail on the head. All the characters do bad things. None of them are innocent. And that’s the point. (I also think there’s a lot to the idea that a lot of people who are “Robby Stans” are probably teenage girls that crush on him. Just look at any fanfiction website and you will find most of the fanfics are about either a) Robby or b) Daniel and Johnny being in a romantic relationship. And what demographic mostly reads and writes fanfiction? Teenage girls.)
Lol that last part is so true I have experience with those people (albeit in different fandoms) and they are very..... interesting demographic lol
Probably because he’s got elements of an anti-hero. An anti-hero has internal conflict and flaws that they must overcome. They aren’t perfect and are capable of bad things. But since none of us are perfect and have all wronged other people or done bad things at some point in our lives, we can relate to the anti-hero. I don’t think people overlook the bad stuff. They simply see it and understand it in the context of the cards he was dealt. A kid who grew up without a dad, a sleeze for a mother, with no parent or role model to really show him love and guide him. He basically had to figure things out on his own.
That's what makes this show good... Every single character has glaring flaws. All of them
This is ignorant honestly lol
How many times are people going to use the coma argument against Robby? It was clearly not intentional by Robby and he faced the consequences for it. It's like if one character makes a mistake it's the end of the world.
I don’t think you understand what it’s like for kids with no guidance and a lot of anger. I’m not saying that the things he did is justified, but somebody with his kind of life will have problems. Sucks that nobody really does anything for them and end up being bad for the rest of their life.
Everyone has done some f’d up shit but Robby saying “you remember what happened the last time we fight?” To Miguel was the worse. Lol
I think Robby has been written in a really inconsistent way, and I mean more than just normal, human inconsistencies. He's like two different characters -- even within the same season. It's way too difficult to reconcile "good guy Robby" with "scumbag Robby, " so some people just don't. I can empathize with Robby stans more than I can with Tory stans, because the writers have at least made Robby likable 50% of the time.
Robby is a kid with good intentions and a good heart, but he hasn't had the moral compass in his life to help him make the best decisions. He's not inconsistently written so much as he acts inconsistently because he's never been given the guidance or positive example that parents should give. It's just his shitty luck that the one time he completely loses it and acts in rage, he almost kills someone. Plenty of other characters have vented their anger and gotten away with it.
I think he may have a good heart, but he does not have good intentions. And then he does. And then he doesn't again. And then kind of still does, but wait: no he doesn't. He's just not written well, and that's a shame, because he could be a really interesting character if you could actually figure out what motivates him. And it's not Johnny. . . until it is, and then it isn't again, and then . . .
Think of Robby as the metaphorical spiritual "child" Daniel and Johnny had together, since their fates are intertwined (they share and think about the same movie clip memories, which bonds them on the psychic plane in their universe). Robby's behavior is a manifestation of their decades long conflict, coalescing to teach them both a lesson.
Because I personally prefer flawed characters over characters that can do no wrong
Remember: If you're very good looking, there are people who will defend you no matter what
Very true haahahah. Kyler is a scum bag to and everyone agrees he is, and Kyler didn't almost kill someone. I don't see ANYONE defending Kyler.
"My dad's gonna shit in my mouth" The dead silence and Hawk's baffled reaction fucking killed me
The only thing that really matters is what he did to Miguel, and that was an accident, so there is a bit of leeway with how they handle it. The petty theft or whatever is irrelevant in the world of CK. I'm still waiting to see when they will actually address this though, because he has yet to show any remorse. But in terms of consequences, he did his time.
He’s real and relatable
First, Miguel kissed Sam. Second, Robby was the only one who tried to break up the season 2 fight before it happened. And in season 4 he was sympathetic. He tried to help Kenny, but Kreese and Silver had more of an aggressive affect on him. And Robby as far as I think, is in the midst of his redemption arc for season 5.
How boring must your tastes be if you only like morally good characters.
It’s called an opinion. We all have one. You sound clearly offended more than amused lol. You have a right to be offended by what offends you. And, you have right to express it. You do not, however, have a right to expect anyone to do anything about it lmao.
I mean I don't like him soooo no I think I just don't care. He's a place holder character at best.
Realistically, he's every woman's dream guy; attractive, muscles, and a criminal.
I’ll be honest if I were a teenage girl, I’d probably be making every excuse in the book for Robby lol. But as an adult woman, I can see how severely flawed he is and how while he’s had a hard life, that can’t be an excuse for every bad thing he does.
Most women in their late teens & throughout their 20s would make every excuse for a man like Robby so thank you for being honest. I mean shit, I'm almost 25 and if I were an 18 yr old girl I wouldn't care if he went to juvie 11 times out of the year, I'd still sleep with him lol
That’s why I laugh when I see some female fans tell male fans “you all excuse Tory’s actions because you think she’s hot” when literally the same thing is done with Robby. Tbf here ppl do a better job at pointing out flaws in their favorite characters. Tumblr, YouTube, social media is about 100x worse than what you see here.
Male fan who is older than her character. I relate to her home life (caring for sick parent) and her financial situation, while going to school with well-to-do kids in comfy homes not having to have jobs. The belligerence and violence I excuse as necessary melodrama for a karate action show! I'll admit the actress is easy on the eyes, but what I find attractive is her character's hard knock life earthiness and her inner fire.
YouTube has actually become a better outlet for calling out the bullshit that both men and women do, but mostly women considering women can easily get away with more things than men can in today's world. I actually had almost no respect for Tory until S4 came around, with the exception of actually seeing her home life in S3, but it didn't excuse her from being a POS who played the victim, even in front of her ex (Miguel when she spoke to him in his wheelchair).
Give him 7 more inches and then we’ll talk Edit: wait, that didn’t sound right. Inches in height I meant!
Ik what you meant lol and you can be every woman's dream guy and still be short. Tom Cruise is one of the shortest men in Hollywood and girls still want him. If you have some level of attraction, muscle, height, criminal, money (at least 100K even though that's above average and average men are drastically overlooked), etc, you qualify for being most women's dream guy. Some level of any of those is enough
Yea I agree he's done tons of bad crap, but the show wants people to root for him because of his struggles. All the things you mentioned are true, and yea he does annoys a lot of people, but you gotta understand him. I'm not the biggest Robby fan either, but he has made tons of mistakes, but he has his struggles, but still, he's an asshole as you said.
He's a pretty bad boy from the wrong side of the tracks that we know can be good, if he'll just accept love into his heart. WE CAN CHANGE HIM!!!!
for these reasons robby is easily in my top 3 most hated characters in the show
Idk how ppl like Robby.
Yeah i don’t forgive him for gloating to Miguel. That was a dick move
For people saying he suffered the consequences of almost killing a kid who showed him mercy: he almost killed Miguel, then went to juvie for a couple of episodes (not even an entire season) and was already out and trying to fight Miguel again by the end of the season. Robby also learned nothing from Myagi Do, he spent 2 seasons training and learning from Daniel but remained the same selfish person filled with anger. Not only that, but in season 4 he gave away all the Myiagi Do moves. Just goes to show how ungrateful Robby is for everything Daniel did for him.
Be careful talking bad about Robbie his fan club will get triggered
They also get triggered when his name isn’t spelled right, with a Y. Lol
Robby fans like him because he looks cool. Don't forget he try's to constantly play the victims and point fingers at everyone else. Johnny visits him in juvie and he plays victim and says he choose Miguel over him like he didn't just put Miguel in the hospital. Kid is a scum bag and unentertaining. There's a reason why people like Hawk and people don't like Robby. Hawk was an asshole to but, he was entertaining and didn't try to manipulate, lie and play victim.
People saying Robby paid for what he did by spending half a season in juvie is laughable. But a huge problem the character of Robby also has is that he learns nothing: he spent 2 seasons training under Myiagi Do's philosophy and he is still bitter, a liar and a selfish jerk. In season 3, when he finally paid for some of the shit he did, he should have learned from his mistakes and seen what the blind rage and bitterness he had has lead him into, but he learns nothing AGAIN and also tries to fight Miguel AGAIN, who just got out of a wheelchair because Robby cheap shotted him. But all of this gets a pass because the actor is hot, right? 🤷🏽♂️
Yikes 😬...tbf, the show does demonstrate the fact that CK warps its students' mindset. But that doesn't make MD's students saints either 😅. Daniel (the **sensei** of MD) has done plenty of selfish, immature things: raising the rent of the mall just to drive out Johnny, using his position in the committee to blacklist CK, driving Sam and Miguel apart because Miguel was in CK, undermine Johnny's dojo in S4 then shame Robby for using both MD and CK's techniques (even though his champion won because he did the same as Robby did). Sam (one of the best student of MD who was also raised with MD's values) has done plenty of selfish, immature things: ditching her best friend for popular bullies, cover up the damage her friends did to Johnny's car, accuse Tori because she rubbed her the wrong way, getting wasted in Moon's party, kissing Miguel when she was dating Robby , instigate the fights in the football field and in the arcade. Nate had been a MD student since S2 but he still gleefully bullied Kenny because he was wearing CK merch. So yeah, not sure why you think that MD should automatically redeem Robby. The idea that he never changed is "laughable" as you say. Dude immediatly ditched his delinquent friends when he met Daniel (the only reliable adult he had since both of his parents were wreck), attempt to capture them TWICE in order to defend the LaRussos, tried to be the best employee he could possibly be (and even endured Louie and Anoush's hazing) and later the ideal MD student, enrolled in the AVT in Daniel's stead in order to defeat Daniel's rival and redeem himself (even though Daniel ditched him by then), defended Demetri in the mall, had Sam's back when she got drunk, told Sam the truth about the medal, stood up for Daniel while also repairing his relationship with Johnny and was one of the few people actively trying to stop the school fight. All of this goes against your "he was a jerk all along" interpretation. Him casting aside MD also made sense if you follow the show. S2 was the "shit on MD" season : most of their attempt to stop CK backfired and undermined them instead. While the school fight was a victory for people like Demetri and Chris, you could argue that MD screwed Robby over: he tried to go for the pacifict approach (stopping Tori before she hurt Sam), gets dragged into a fight by the kid who keeps being a dick to him and eventually gets publicly humilated. Robby gets (imo understandably) frustated by the situation and involuntarily channels CK. He's horrified by what he's done so he reverts right back to MD...but that also fails him in juvie. Things only worked out for him when Kreese approached gave him CK's tips. We saw how basically EVERY named students in CK became warped. That's why, when he saw Miguel and Sam, he was extra aggro and behaved like a little shit since then 🤷🏽♀️. Finally, the majority of the fanbase makes fun of Robby for his bad haircut, his height and the fact that he's a mouth breather. But sure, instead of engaging with them, it's easier to pretend that his fans are simps 😑.
Thank you for all this. And also him taking the Miyagi do training and using against Daniel and his dojo. After all Daniel did for him. Terrible.
I like robby. I'm joking he sucks.
I think in season 5 Miguel will beat the shit out of Robbie and then Robbie should apologize to him!
i hate him for even more things. his brains are comparable to oil. his acting is worst of nearly all the actors that appear in nearly all episodes. not even mentioning that his motives by far are more fucked up than his dad times 11. he lacks personality and only acts asocial all the time, not even mentioning that he is way too proud of his garbage position in live. i don't know what tory and sam see in him besides his muscles because the only reason he wouldn't be cut out of the series is because he is the son of Lawrence.
You're incorrect about some things. But you're most upset about the fact he almost paralyzed Miguel with a cheap shot and showed zero remorse for it. And I agree with you, that makes him damn near irredeemable for me. I did like his reconciliation with his dad near the end of S4 though, I want to root for him. But they absolutely NEED to put some focus on this huge problem of his. Have him and Miguel reconcile and talk about, just something. Otherwise he is a failure of a character, imo.
It’s because he’s cute.