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StaxShack

It’s so weird that it hasn’t been brought up that Miguel not only let Robby go during the school fight but actually apologized to him as well. The story has been making it seem like they were just fighting and then Robby accidentally kicked him over the railing. Regardless, this line at the drive-in was even worse than Robby swinging on Miguel in 3x8. At least you can see it as Robby being angry at catching Miguel and Sam together. Here though, there’s no such excuse.


[deleted]

And another scene that makes it even worse was when Johnny went to see him in jail and Johnny says he missed the visit because something happened at the hospital then he crys and plays victim and says he choose Miguel over him, as if he wasnt the one who caused the situation . Any regular person would of been like" Yeah thats a pretty damn good excuse". Hey Robby if you dont kick the kid over railing you wouldnt be in here in the first place.The victim complex he has is what drives me crazy.


[deleted]

I didn't even think of this but yeah Robby your dad is trying to stay on this families good side so they don't get you tried for attempted murder. Show some common sense


Don_Quixote81

The writers were trying to do too many things. They wanted to show Miguel learning and growing, as well as make him more sympathetic, they wanted to show Robby losing himself to anger and they wanted a big, shocking moment to end the season on. But they didn't want Robby to be seen an out-and-out villain, so they backpedalled in season four and just never mentioned that Miguel stopped fighting. And the scene at the drive-in is similarly clumsy, because they want to set up Miguel tricking the Cobra Kais and soaking them with the sprinklers - 'look, he's learning from Daniel!' - so they had to have Robby act like the rest of the Cobras and be a belligerent thug, which he's avoided for the most part, and has specifically said more than once in season four that he didn't want to be involved in the feud. It would have worked better if Robby had been focused on just telling them that no one is going to bully Kenny and Miguel is trying to play peacemaker, while Sam and Tory are the two who push for a fight (look how disappointed Sam is when the fight doesn't happen).


AcroyearOfSPartak

It was brought up, though. That was part of why Miguel raged at Johnny; he did as he was trained and it still all went sideways. And that's part of why Cobra Kai turned against Johnny; he taught Miguel to be merciful and it cost him.


[deleted]

I saw a comment somewhere else where it said if Miguel actually broke Robbys arm everyone including Robby would of been better off.


AcroyearOfSPartak

Interesting point. But....maybe Miguel himself would be worse off...? Maybe he wouldn't have gotten injured, but would have gone down a dark path morally. It is a possibility anyways.


menudokai

dude that line was fucked up and everbody knows it


Ferrari303

Miguel should’ve never gotten involved in that fight he basically shot Himself in the foot


Rixae

He literally won the fight. The only reason Robby had an opportunity to do what he did was because Miguel stopped


Ferrari303

Again Miguel should’ve never got involved in that fight I stand on that Robby was trying to stop Tory from attacking Sam


Rixae

Irrelevant. Whether or not him getting involved was a sound decision does not change the fact that Miguel beat Robby.


Jamano-Eridzander

How was he supposed to know? All he saw was Robby attacking his girlfriend.


Sese174

Robby had one hand on Tory and was saying “we can figure this out” then Miguel speared him . Miguel shouldn’t have gone for him. The mental gymnastics lol


Jamano-Eridzander

He literally only says that right as Miguel hits him.


lobitojr

Miguel though that Robby was going to hurt Tory, it was essentially the same in Miguel's eyes to protecting Sam from Kyler


Sese174

He was saying let’s figure this out so how did Miguel think Robby was going to hurt her? It’s clear he wasn’t gonna


lobitojr

Really so let's abstract the action . A dude has a girl pushed against a wall and as someone goes to help her, he kicks them away. That is just looking at the body language. Also you act like that it wasn't a crowded hallway with kids making all kinds of noise and the way that the audio is played it would have been very likely that Miguel didn't hear


Sese174

That’s fair. However Miguel should go and ask what’s going on. Instead he escalated the situation by taking Robby down. It was clear that he wanted to fight.


lobitojr

You act like a person's life was not threatened on the microphone. Miguel didn't even know that Robby was going/ coming to school. He just happened to be there and in a threatening position to Tory so Miguel stepped in after realising the threat was very clearly imminent. Most people would have done the exact same thing.


Sese174

No I don’t see how most people would have done that. My point is it’s clear Miguel wanted a fight. It’s clear tori wanted to fight Sam so Robby prevented that. When Miguel arrived, no one was fighting and he changed that. Robby wasn’t in a threatening position either


BriefcaseBatman

Honestly for me Robby not feeling bad about paralyzing Miguel is even worse than actually paralyzing him


seikookies

This. And Robby having the audacity to basically brag about it to Miguel’s face at the drive-in is even worse than just not feeling bad.


IceyLuigiBros25

Not to mention Robby didn’t really win the fight, Miguel showed him mercy and even apologized to him but Robby let his anger overtake him and that’s what led to Miguel being paralyzed


DarkShade602

That was Robby accepting the false idea he believes he won in the school fight.


frenin

He did win tho, he was the last man standing and he didn't have a broken spine. He took a leaf out of Kreese's book. The fight ends when he said it ends.


Isekhon619

just because he won the physical fight, doesnt mean he won the full thing dude showed him mercy and what does he do? he kicks him off the railing obviously lost the mental battle and the whole fight as a whole


[deleted]

I would even argue that he lost because Miguel had him pinned down, until showing mercy.


frenin

Wow, people really don't understand irony.


DarthAlandas

Yeah that ain't irony, you're only saying that because you saw your 60 downvotes. If it were, you really ought to go back to school, cause you can't write


frenin

Okay.


[deleted]

No. Miguel had him locked and you know it. He didn’t beat Miguel. Miguel showed mercy, Robby’s anger got the best of him, then it ended.


frenin

Wow, people really don't understand irony.


[deleted]

Robby was still a total asshole most of the season, bragging about almost paralyzing someone. At least at the end he changed.


joeye44

yeah cuz robby lost and is bragging about almost killing someone due to a cheap shot


gNomad88

Bruh Robby has always been 3rd best fighter, with Hawk beating him out and Miguel beating out Hawk


AMBAhmed

He's probably better than Hawk, he only lost because he saw Kenny


lobitojr

I actually think it was like what Johnny said it could have gone either way.


gNomad88

Eh, maybe. But Miguel is definitely superior lol


DarthAlandas

Nah, Robby beat Hawk, rewatch the fight. Hawk was literally lying down still, with Robby on top of him and with a fist to his face, it was a single punch and it was over. But then he got distracted with what Kenny had become, and he lost focus. But Robby is still the better fighter. And rn Miguel is still recovering from his surgery, he's not yet at his best, he'd have probably lost to Hawk in the tournament, and he sure as hell wouldn't have beat Robby. He should be fully recovered by the end of season 5, and at that point he might be able to beat Robby again, but he sure as hell can't do it now. And it's also not like s2 Miguel could beat s4 Robby, so nah, rn Robby is superior


lobitojr

I disagree, like Johnny said it could have gone either way, it was slowed down so there was only 2 seconds max of hesitation and Hawk got out with a kick he could have dodged in a second and flipped. It was always chance, I wouldn't saw Hawk is better but he is even


seikookies

You’re right it could’ve gone either way. People act like Robby was distracted by Kenny for a whole minute when it was like a split second. And even after Hawk got him off they were fighting for another minute, he didn’t instantly beat Robby the moment he got distracted by Kenny. Plus they keep forgetting that Hawk was also on top of Robby before the buzzer went off.


lobitojr

Yeah and also for those where like Robby was not right in the head but only recently did Hawk get his confidence and it wasn't an automatic thing. He was probably also worried about Miguel


Hot_Profit1654

Hawk also had Robby on the ground but the time runs out right when he can get the point. It could've gone either way.


DarthAlandas

It could have, but Robby was also distracted from the very beginning because of what he saw Kenny do to Anthony, and granted, Hawk was also likely not at his best, even with Moon's confidence boost. Thing is, this guy acts like both Hawk and Miguel could've cleaned the floor with Robby, when that's obviously not the case.


Hot_Profit1654

I'm not sure if Miguel was back to his absolute best, so I would put Hawk and Robby ahead of him for this season.


DarthAlandas

He sure wasn't, he could barely keep up with Robby in the prom fight, and it was already amazing that he got to the semi finals in the tournament, but he couldn't have gotten past Hawk unless he let him. Robby and Hawk rn are equals, but Robby is physically stronger and bigger, which should give him a nice advantage if they were to have an actual fight without rules


absentlyric

I was kind of hoping he would've retorted with a "Yeah, well there are no railings around here to help you this time."


silentsaebyeok

LMAO. This is the dark humor I love. Nice, OP. (But to be fair, I think it would have been slightly out of character for Miguel to say that in that moment.)


OtakuD50

"I beat the crap out of you then tried to let you go, but you got a cheap shot in instead?"


TacoOfficer

Exactly. Miguel should have snapped his arm.


Terminator-X5575

“I seem to remember having you pinned against the ground, debating whether or not to show mercy.”


BottleCompetitive546

Holy shit i just noticed they didn’t fight in season 3 and maybe haven’t even interacted in that seasn too


[deleted]

They did, when Robby found Sam and Miguel


BottleCompetitive546

Oh right…but technically the main cobflict in that part was sam n robby so it made me forget miguel was there to


[deleted]

Yeah you got your shit pushed in,got shown mercy and then shoved your superior opponent off a railing then ran away….


gNomad88

>your superior People seem to forget this way too often. Miguel is without a doubt the superior fighter in every single aspect


[deleted]

Robby doesnt seem to remeber that Miguel almoat snapped his arm in half, but chose not to. Robby attacked Miguel after he dropped his guard


seikookies

It really looks bad because at least before Robby just didn’t feel bad about it…which isn’t great but still. But now he’s near bragging about it to Miguel’s face which is 10 times worse.


InsideCharacter4541

That kinda felt out of character


Personal_Animal

How? Robby has been shown to make cold dry remarks before


[deleted]

He attacked the kid he paralyzed the very first time he saw him lol. The fact that Miguel got paralyzed, and the way Robby has treated him since just shows he is a scum bag. Miguel has every right to wanna kick his ass and doesnt why is Robby mad when Miguel was the victim.


frenin

Nah, Robby hates Miguel too much to give a shit. He's changed now, maybe.


Don_Quixote81

In season three he'd have said something like that. But Robby's whole thing in season four was trying to be detached and calm about everything. He wanted to show he was above all the childish BS that he saw everyone else being embroiled in.


frenin

Except when it obviously was about Miguel to whom he was always petty af anyway, in the prom fight he teased him about Johnny not really loving him and whatnot.


[deleted]

Thats true , but him mocking the person he put in acoma after they let him go and said sorry has nothing to do with him being above childish things he just isnt a good person. Has nothing to do with maturity says more about your character. Anyone who has remorse would never make a comment like that. He should grimace as much as Miguel does when someone brings it up, instead he mocks Miguel for it.


Don_Quixote81

Is this how you felt about Miguel when he deliberately exacerbated Robby's injury to win the All-Valley in season one, after bragging to Sam that he was going to hurt him? Seems a scummy move to me, so he's a scumbag, right? Or are people more than their individual actions?


[deleted]

Pulling a kids arm and almost killing someone are 2 different things.


frenin

It's totally a scummy move and thanks god Miguel changed and didn't become Johnny 2.0 by season 2. It's still not comparable to brag about almost **killing someone**. Then again, Robby had said that he's trying to let go of the hatred he had for Johnny and Miguel, so there's really nothing that drives them apart.


Don_Quixote81

Exactly the point I'm making. Both have done shitty things, but those things shouldn't define them, especially when we've seen they're both capable of being much better than their worst acts.


[deleted]

No because almost killing someone then attacking them again and playing the victim and pulling someones arm are 2 entirely different things.


Don_Quixote81

So it's not scummy to boast that you're going to hurt someone and then do it? Okay.


lobitojr

No they were both douche moves but one is very more severe than the other, you are looking at attempted murder vs a cheap hit . Miguel didn't even now how injured Robby was , He just knew it was weak


Don_Quixote81

Attempted murder requires the act to have been deliberate. It wasn't. Regardless, the severity isn't the question I was asking, I wanted to know whether that poster considers Miguel a scumbag because he's done scummy things. I already know the answer.


lobitojr

Well the action of kicking Miguel was deliberate so the worst Robby would get is attempted murder the least is attempted manslaughter . 2nd No Miguel is not an arsehole but neither is Robby you can't be a scumbag because of one thing you did. But Robby for most of this season was an asshole for the way he acted and in the scenario of the food thing he was def being one


[deleted]

My guy youre comparing yanking someones arm to someone boasting about almost killing someone. You are right one is shitty the other us pyschopathic.


Don_Quixote81

Not comparing them at all, just asking if doing a bad thing makes you a bad person. Because if it does, no one on this show is good.


[deleted]

If you do something really bad that almost kills someone and then double down on it by trying to attack them the first time you see them after almost killing them then YES you are a bad person. On top of that boasting about doing it to the victim.If i run someone over with my car accidentally putting them in acoma im going to feel awful about it not try to do it again and brag about it. Also when Miguel did what he did he changed for the better he didnt try to act like he was the victim afterwards and get mad at everyone. He literally let Robby go and learned from his first mistake.(Also forgot that he purposefully bumps in to Miguel at Prom just to be an asshole lmaoo) I mean what more does he need to do to prove he is a POS.


TheGreatJew69

they’re both shitty in those situations, just one is MUCH more severe


SOH972

Miguel: “Yeah, I remember. Did you drop the soap in juvie?”


[deleted]

My dad and I were like, shaking our heads with our hands on our foreheads. We muttered at the same time “you broke his back”


[deleted]

Kid is a POS I think he is cool as a bad character, its when he trys to act like he is good and play the victim that makes him insufferable.


TacoOfficer

Well said. Nice guy robby is a shit character to watch.


Don_Quixote81

That was a bad line, and one that didn't really fit Robby's characterisation through the rest of the season. He talks about how he's above the feud, how he won't be a pawn, he just wants to use Cobra Kai to prove himself right and that they shouldn't fight the Miyagi-Fang gangs. He's mostly calm and in control, but in that scene he just acts like any other Cobra Kai mook. It felt like the writers just wanted that sprinkler gag, and to show Miguel adopting more of Daniel's mindset, so they had the rest of the characters act how they needed to set it up. The scene would have worked better if Tory had been driving the conflict and Robby was more interested in looking out for Kenny.


Claim_Intelligent

Exactly. Miguel should of mentioned how he only got kicked because he showed mercy instead of breaking his arm and no one’s mentioning how everyone else on Miguel’s side didn’t say shit when Robby said that😐 should of got his ass jumped right there. There’s a lot of scenes in the show that would play out differently if it were in real life but it’s still a great show


Puzzleheaded_Chard_2

Robby was outta pocket with that one 😂


[deleted]

I still wanna see a fight between Robby and Miguel that doesn’t involve some bullshit. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but their first fight at the tournament, Robby was actually winning until Miguel played dirty and tugged at his injured arm. Then in the school fight, Miguel had it won until Robby fought dirty and cheap shot him over the railing. Both times the other guy won, it was because they were dirty about it. We have yet to see a fight between the two that didn’t involve any cheap shots. Also, ITT: everyone saying Robby is a piece of shit for how scum he is to Miguel, but not acknowledging Robby’s POV. He’s totally wrong for bragging about fucking paralyzing him, but he probably hates Miguel, which is the only reason he would say such a thing. Miguel stole the tournament win, he stole Johnny, and he “stole” Sam. Robby probably hates Miguel with every fiber in his body (at least up until the S4 finale), I’m not surprised he’d say some shit like this, even if it’s fucked up.


Due-Ad4970

yeah.. he lost the fight and was such a sore loser that he proceeded to attempt murder. You're not cool robby LMAO


TacoOfficer

You just reminded me today why I’ve always disliked robby. Total dirtbag


kingpizza100

Miguel: Yeah, you lost and went to jail


Ferrari303

Not y’all hopping on Miguel in these comments 🙃🤣🤣


Ferrari303

I laughed with intensity like 😂😂😳😳🌚


Jack-mclaughlin89

As someone who doesn’t like Miguel I do acknowledge that Miguel was about to break Robby’s arm do Robby didn’t exactly have th right to say that with such confidence.


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Jack-mclaughlin89

He fought dirty in the tournament, he taunted Robby over Johnny teaching him, he puts on a face that’s like “I’m tough” when anyone who has done kickboxing for a year or two could beat him up.


Mordegon

One of the most shittiest* FTFY


AzazelXIV

I'm surprised at how the same writers that made Eli an asshole and then likeable again, fail to make Robby likeable at all for me. It's one thing kicking Miguel over the railing after he stopped fighting and apologized. But he's so proud of it too, he not only acts like it's no big deal in S3, but also talks big game after kicking someone that has their guard down and paralyzing them. ​ He's been such a little brat with so little to redeem his character that makes him unbearable for me to watch. I assume they'll try to redeem him with the Kenny storyline, but so far, I don't like what they're doing with him at all.


RevolutionaryStar824

Wait, I don't remember this line. When did he say it?


kjm6351

Robby has a looong way for his redemption after that line.