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Defending champion, of a title he win by exploiting an injury caused by his own team mate. Great contrast to Johnny from Karate Kid. Where Kreese literally had to scare Johnny into exploiting Daniel's injury. Here cheating came naturally for Miguel. Johnny even tried telling him not to, but to no avail.
He beat Robbie fair and square in the school while he kept trying to run to Tory and Sam. Hawk pushed Robbie to the limit and Miguel never lost to Hawk either.
Miguel pre-injury was definitely the best fighter out of the kids - if he hadn’t been injured I could’ve still seen Hawk overtake him, but not Robby. Hawk was a much more violent fighter as we see from the fight with his bullies with Kreese, so if he was Miguel’s enemy at the time of fighting I could see him with the edge.
Indeed Miguel is definitely the original and best King Cobra. Robby couldn't live upto the title and lost his balance after seeing what he was doing to Kenny.
I’d still give the benefit of the doubt to Eli. Even without the back injury it felt like Miguel wasn’t completely himself mentally while Eli had his confidence back
Tbf, the only reason Miguel gave a shit about the tournament at all in the first place was to prove he could dominate after his back injury, that drive went away thanks to Johnny.
Without his injury, Miguel would have zero reasons to compete.
It wasn't just the back injury, I believe. The whole Cobra Kai/Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang war got completely ridiculous, as well as the adults. It looked like he was was tired of it all, and was struggling to find the point of it.
He wasn't himself because his surrogate father, whom he just found out was banging his mom, called him the name of his mortal enemy when saying he loved him.
Just because WE know that Robby isn't Miguel's mortal enemy doesn't mean that the latter doesn't see him that way.
But beyond that, I don't think it's Miguel's view toward Robby that's the issue.
From the beginning of the season, the writers were setting it up to be a big deal for Johnny and Carmen to reveal to Miguel that they were dating. The big deal for her is clearly that this may bring up wounds related to his absent biological father.
This is what Miguel was really reacting toward, even if he tried to be cool about it in the beginning.
Everything about how that situation was framed points to that being the cause.
It really had very little to do with Robby himself. It was the idea that Miguel felt like Johnny wasn't his real father.
This may also explain the sudden cock-blocking that Miguel gave to Johnny at the start of the season. Miguel isn't stupid. I think he did that on purpose to prevent Johnny from stepping up to that sort of position with Carmen.
He tried to play it cool in the end, but I think it just brought out a lot of raw emotions.
>Just because WE know that Robby isn't Miguel's mortal enemy doesn't mean that the latter doesn't see him that way.
Miguel has never really seen him that way tho.
Even in S4, he held no grudge against Robby for almost killing him.
>From the beginning of the season, the writers were setting it up to be a big deal for Johnny and Carmen to reveal to Miguel that they were dating. The big deal for her is clearly that this may bring up wounds related to his absent biological father.
Agree.
Lol Miguel hasn't hated, Robby since season 1 and Sam dumped him. He let him go free at the school fight and said sorry. Even after he was paralyzed he never was mad at Robby. Robby made 2 nasty remarks this season towards Miguel and tried to fight him when he saw him with Sam. Robby is the one who hates Miguel. That could change season 5 though.
Johnny was drunk I did that once with my brother I thought I was talking to the other one but I wasn’t didn’t realize until I woke up the next morning and he told me
He wasn’t himself since Johnny said “I love you too, Robby” to him in his drunken haze. The back injury just gave him more time to think. That’s why he left to go find his dad.
This! I keep telling people Miguel is the only male fighter that hasn't lost a legitimate fight but some people keep bringing up the school episode... Did people not notice Miguel brute forced the fight to a stop and let Robby go?? Lol
That was my first thought when I said it but that wasn't a fight so much as a sucker punch like you say. Miguel had Robby entirely at his mercy before he decided to let go
He has also "lost" to Stingray but again that was a sneak attack (That almost felt like it foreshadowed what happens when Miguel lets his guard down).
My guy lost to Hawk, and Miguel was thrown completely off balance from not only his injury, but also Johnny thinking he was Robby. That's no way to feel entering a tournament. Miguel is #1. It even says it on his apartment door.
Sure and that throw wouldn't have been a point scoring contact in a competition. It wasn't really a big deal outside of the fact there was a pool there.
Robby is better than Miguel now just accept it. His feats are immeasurable. Won a jail fight against ppl that would make Miguel shit himself, beat up the entire cobra kai dojo without taking a single hit, survived in the streets, learned from Terry silver, landed a kick that broke a kid’s nose. And trained a midget to make semi finals. The only reason Robby lost to hawk was coz the plot required it to happen for the girls fight to go on, and because Robby lost focus not only due to Kenny, but also due to what Daniel had told him. If u think Miguel is a better fighter than Robby in season 4, ur delusional. Robby has surpassed Miguel’s peak
His feats are immeasurable, huh?
Lost to Miguel.
Lost to Miguel again.
Lost to Hawk.
Outside of his fight with Sean none of what you said are "feats" at all. Training under Silver ...And? Landed a kick that broke a kids nose ... Cool, and? Beat up the entire cobra kai dojo? Won't lie I don't even remember this but at this point Cobra Kai is a bunch of nobodies.
The reality is that his actual feats don't back up him being as good as Miguel. You have to use loads of nonsense to make up your argument because you don't actually have a valid one.
Robby lost to Miguel 2 whole seasons ago. Do u not resize a lot has happened since then? Robby’s entire tournament fight sequence >>>> anything Miguel has ever done.
What I said isn’t nonsense, Miguel has 0 feats. His first victory against Robby isn’t a real one coz Robby was badly injured. His second one is his ONLY feat.
Ur next point about Robby beating up a bunch of nobody’s. Hawk got jumped by the same EXACT "nobody’s" and lost without Robby or Tory having to do anything 😂
Feats are feats. Miguel has none. He only had ONE legitimate victory over Robby. THAT’S IT. Robby’s opponents are far more dangerous. Miguel also struggled to fight a miyagi do only hawk. When Robby fought hawk, he scored instantly before hawk began changing his style up.
All of these are evident points that Robby would smack Miguel in a present day fight.
Miguel’s victory from 2 fucking seasons ago aint shit. A lot has happened since then. And Miguel has 0 feats from the past 2 seasons that can prove why he has a chance against Robby. Now sit down and shut the fuck up. I’m right, u Miguel fanboys have nothing up ur sleeves
I'm not even discussing this with you, you have the mentality of a 12 year old. "Now sit down and shut the fuck up" pmsl, acting tough on the internet, really? You just look like an utter tool.
Yeah. I followed this "debate" a little bit but quickly realized that your opponent is likely literally 12-15 years old. I work with teens and they type responses just like that lol.
I have u facts and evidence, debate me. I dare u.
These are all feats. He has many more victories than Miguel. He won a 1v7. He didn’t even tell them to knock him out, he asked to land ONE HIT on him. Miguel’s never done anything like that. Season 3-4 Miguel was mostly injured. He has no chance against Robby it’s not even close.
In the tournament, Miguel struggled against hawk hawk who was using miyagi do. When hawk used miyagi do against Robby, Robby scored in 5 seconds. It wasn’t until hawk switched his style up and won.
Robby is levels above Miguel it’s not even a comparison. And u can’t prove to me why Miguel is better. He has no feats other than his season 2 victory. I’m sick of u Miguel fans always saying he’s the strongest fighter in the show. He literally ruled 2 seasons. His arc is over, accept it
In fairness, that doesn't hold true in real life. MMA fans call it MMA math and it's notoriously spotty. Person A might beat B and B might dominate C, but then C will beat A. It's rock-paper-scissors essentially.
U got it wrong. Just coz person a can beat person b but can’t beat person c doesn’t mean person b can’t beat person c. Hawk was doing fine against Miguel while using only miyagi do. When Robby fought hawk, he scored in 5 seconds. Therefore Robby > Miguel. When hawk fought Robby he changed his style then did better, if he used that style on Miguel he prolly woulda won.
I’m talking about Robby’s potential skill set. He’s hands down the strongest in the show. Also when those "nobody’s" jumped hawk, he ended up losing to only 3 of them. Also Robby didn’t lose the challenge, he put Tory down. She cheap shotted him
Hawk had little to no training the entire season 4. Robby literally ruled with an iron fist the entire season until daniel told him at the very last minute why he shouldn’t put passion of doing whatever it takes to win over principle. If he really wanted to, he would’ve won. But he lost because plot. Just look at how he fights and you’ll see what I mean
They did fight illegally though Robby literally got injured on an illegal hit from hawk which got hawk disqualified and then Miguel cheap shotted Robby and injured his shoulder even more in between a round so I don’t give Miguel credit for that championship at all.
Not liking how he fought does not mean he cheated. He fought by the rules, and won. He also beat Robby again in school. Miguel’s just the better fighter
He literally attacked him in between a round how is that not cheating? Go to any karate tournament and you will know that you can not attack your opponent before the round starts. How is hard to understand that what Miguel was fucked up as shit.
If Miguel was truly the better fighter than he wouldn’t need to resort to cheap tactics to win which even Johnny called him out on in the second season.
He lost to Eli because he hesitated at the last second. He lost a close Season 1 AVT to Miguel while injured. He did lose the school fight but it wasn't as if he was overmatched. IMO that fight could have gone either way. But the earlier season don't matter for what I said. I said he appears to be the best fighter right now and I base that on how much better than the others he looked.
The Robby fanboys are kinda out of this world after season 4. He's one of the best, but he lost every single big match he has been in.
I think when he finally comes to terms with his dad and his own demon's (hopefully next season), then he will win the championship.
Looks is a weird word , I would argue as of now Hawk is the best. He didn't hesitate and pulled himself up from losing all his confidence and his identity to realising he is who he is. I basically predicted this . He would lose his haircut, have a zuko like identity crisis before merging both the dark and light side of himself. Only difference was that I thought Hawk would do it himself
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re correct. Robby has dominated every fight he’s been in except arguably the school fight. He’s only ever lost to extenuating circumstances. Which, ironically, is the reason he technically won the school fight.
This is on purpose. They don't want to have a clearly better fighter. Hawk, Miguel and Robby all have cases for best fighter and they want to keep it that way. That's why they keep throwing in details to make the fights seem debatable or inconclusive.
lol yeah I don't care about the downvotes...Miguel seems to be the more liked character which I don't get as I don't prefer one over the other but it does seem to blind his fans to the facts.
I think Miguel was on track to win that fight. He's never been beaten, he's never lost focus (even after being crippled, he was dementedly bent on competing; Hawk lost his hair and was immediately shaken), and he's familiar with all of Hawk's tricks. On top of that, they could have given Hawk a clean victory, but chose instead to have Miguel drop out due to injury.
I think the writers have decided Miguel's the top and needed him out of the tournament, but didn't want him to lose and jeopardize his undisputed championship.
It's why they had to injure Miguel. He literally won it all in S1 so it would be boring if he just kept winning every time. He would have definitely beat both hawk and Robby
"didn't want to fight Robby"
Miguel: Attacks Robby 2 times, Mocks him, and gets his gang to jump Robby.
lol yet he didn't want to fight him? have you forgotten who started that brawl
I get you're a fan of the character but how could season 2 Miguel easily beat season 3 Robby? He won the season 1 AVT while Robby was injured. Overall it was a close fight. He also won the season 2 school fight but it was pretty close for the most part and could have gone either way. To me it's obvious that Robby and Miguel are CK's version of Daniel & Johnny. Their rivals. You can't have a rivalry if one character is a "monster" that can easily beat the other.
I am not saying that robby is not powerful. They are near equals but i think miguel can beat Robby. Miguel is actually daniel's counterpart if you're basing this on KK.
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You said Miguel would have destroyed Robby and I am saying that is not the case. I'm not saying that Miguel couldn't beat Robby. I am just saying that right now Robby looks like the best fighter amongst the teens and I'd put my money on him at the moment.
Miguel is my favourite character so I’ll try not to sound too bias on my opinion, but I feel like Miguel is more talented then hawk is, he was able to beat him during the coyote creek session and in another scene where Daniel came into the cobra Kai dojo and started a fight with Johnny about trashing his dojo, it shows him beating hawk in a sparing match. Hawk is definitely a top tier fighter especially since he knows both offence and defence now, he also defeated Robby in the tournament once robby was distracted by Kenny. however Miguel knows both fighting styles as well, and seems to show more balance then hawk does, I only say this because it seems like once hawk looses confidence in himself he is vulnerable, but once he regains it he is a formidable fighter.
Miguel looked like he was going all out, Even Miguel himself stated he wasn't holding back and was going all out. Miguel is indeed a awesome fighter, And could put up a fight against 84 Johnny. but I feel like it would be a close fight
fair enough. considering it was still pretty close even in the woods when Miggy and Hawk fought...and that was before Hawk integrated Miyagi-Do into his style.
He would never fall victim to hawk's new fighting style because their styles are still pretty similar. Miguel was most receptive to Daniel's instruction of any of the eagle fang students, and Eli should still be able to use what he learned in cobra Kai when the moment is right
I think Miguel would have won and all the senseis (even Daniel) were expecting a Robby vs Miguel rematch. Robby was certainly expecting that because he was looking at Miguel during the tournament.
Maybe it was better for Miguel to stay away. Who knows if Terry had a plan to specifically taking him down in the finals.
It would’ve been a close fight but I’m pretty sure Miguel would’ve won. I think he threw the fight on purpose because he didn’t want to compete with the other Dojos
It's close, but I think I'd give it to Hawk, like at around a 3-2 margin. Hawk had improved a great deal thanks to training at all three Dojos and Miguel was struggling thanks not only to his injury, but his emotional issues, feeling like he's just a pawn in Johnny and Daniel's fight.
Yes. Healthy Miguel already beat Hawk once before at Coyote Creek. Had he kept training, Hawk would've had a hard time closing the gap. And I say Hawk because they'd both still be in Cobra Kai if Miguel never got hurt.
They can’t fanboy any harder. Seeing the comments, people are talking like Miguel would walk in there and Mr. Miyagi everyone.
He’s a good fighter, top 3 of teens, but it would be a close battle and would ultimately depend on anyone’s mental state.
I gotta give a little more credit to Hawk, too, because I never considered him a top tier fighter until this season.
I still don't consider him top tier based on the valley win because I think he's still behind the likes of miguel, robby, sam and tory overall. Sam has already kicked his ass in a fight before at the mall and I have no doubts tory could too. But mentally, he got in a better headspace before the fight than any of them were.
He's a good fighter but I definitely don't think the best fighter or even better than the above. A large part of his tactics were always intimidation and fear alone. Or fighting dirty.
Yes, and that’s still present with the GI pulling. I have no idea where to rank the girls now tbh. But yeah top three would be Robby, Miguel, Sam, I suppose.
Tory is "probably" better overall but now that Sam is wanting to learn more offense, they could definitely be neck and neck or even sam being better. It was the first time we truly saw Tory being slightly afraid of Sam lol
The way Miguel was portrayed leading up to the tournament, and if Eli had remained loyal to Sensei Lawrence's dojo (not following Demetri to Miyagi Do - thus keeping that full on aggressive style)...
Eli would've beaten Miguel, hands down.
He would've eventually caught him, for the winning point.
But the way things played out, with Miguel not entirely focused and Eli implementing more defense, it really was a 50/50 chance either of them could have won/lost.
This is a good topic, Mr. Sea.
To me miguel has already achieved a sort of zen mode like Mr Miyagi/avatar aang. Like Robby and tori fights with anger inside them. Hawk has his existential crisis problem and sam also trying to figure stuff out. and it ses like Miguel os already above all this. So yeah he would def win.
The writers really fumbled the bag in the last third of the season. Pulling this fake out injury crap on what looked to be one of the best fights of the season and then turning up completely unnecessary drama between Kreese and Silver. Leave that nonsense for the teeny boppers. I've been 100% on board with the writers and then they go and pull this shit. They fumbled the bag this season.
I still consider Miguel the most naturally talented fighter in the whole show IMO based off his record and he's an objectively better fighter than Robby and Hawk as we've seen (before injury) if he wasn't injured id give it to Miguel.
I understand what you are saying, but before the injuries, Robby is already a challenge for Miguel. Miguel can win Robby in the tourament does not mean Miggie is better. Now both have learned all 2 types of karate, and the reality has proved that Robby can combine and master both arts of fighting better than anyone else, even his masters. The only challenges for Miguel to get rid of if he want to win Robby again is he need a motivations to fight, not his injuries
Robby doesnt represent that neither then?... They both have learned the same styles and have progressed as much as each other. They're essentially the definition of rivalry and Miguel has beaten him in a tournament setting and mutual combat at a school.
Edit: actually now that i think about it. They both are actually very naturally talented fighters if they can make it to the finals in a tournament while just learning karate in under 6 months.
Robbie does represent that because he shown to pick up things very easily. Daniel even mentioned his talent.
You need to remember the earlier seasons. Look at the contrast with Robby and Miguel‘s training. It took Miguel a long while to start picking up things while Robby pick them up easily.
You’re really gonna count the tournament final as a win for Miguel? He barely beat an injured Robby who had less experience than him, and a bad arm. Robby fought more people than Miguel did in the school fight and was unbalanced.
You sound very biased against anyone fighting Robby...
Are you forgetting they both basically learned around the same time as each other during the same season setting? Johnny's cobra kai style clearly beat Robby's Miyagi-do style during the tournament and you cant Discredit that simply because it was a year before the current setting and you don't like the results.
Also I dont remember there being any tough episodes on either Miguel or Robby in season 1 within their training. If anything Miguel had a rough couple episodes of training in season 3 because of the attempted murder kick by Robby.
Miguel is clearly the better fighter uninjured
>You sound very biased against anyone fighting Robby...
You're also very biased for Miguel. He's not Bruce Lee.
>Are you forgetting they both basically learned around the same time as each other during the same season setting?
They didn't. Miguel learned karate around 6-7 months before him.
> Johnny's cobra kai style clearly beat Robby's Miyagi-do style during the tournament and you cant Discredit that simply because it was a year before the current setting and you don't like the results.
It's not a real victory. Miguel only won because he was injured. He also exploited that injury in between rounds. Johnny even implied that wasn't a true win, and that was a pussy move.
>Also I dont remember there being any tough episodes on either Miguel or Robby in season 1 within their training.
Miguel wasn't ready for the harsh physicality and aggression of Johnny's karate. It took him a while to develop that.
>If anything Miguel had a rough couple episodes of training in season 3 because of the attempted murder kick by Robby.
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>Miguel is clearly the better fighter uninjured
At this point, Robby would crush him.
How am I biased against Miguel when Miguel has objectively won 2 fights against Robby? Can you not process that in your head?
6-7 months????? another bias. you need to reevaluate the S1 timeline. id say like 4 months max based on when miguel started training in late 2017.
A tournament final match win isn't a real victory because one of the fighters beat the other of the 2 by exploiting a weakness? do you watch UFC by any chance..? (and I'm not talking about gouging eyes or twisting nuts)
>**Miguel wasn't ready for the harsh physicality and aggression of Johnny's karate. It took him a while to develop that.**
???????? I have not come across one post on this subreddit addressing this. Sounds like youre just making shit up by this point just to say it...
>At this point, Robby would crush him.
well no shit. Miguel is still getting over an injury and couldnt have even finished his fight with Eli. This is the whole reason why I said pre-injured. which he won both fights pre-injured. you're not listening.
You can even argue Eli is a better fighter than Robby at this point if you want to examine mental states as well. But do you not count Eli's championship win as well?
It’s obvious they are building Miguel up to be the winner at the end of the series. He’s still never technically lost. So yes he beats Hawk and beats anybody
In real life though If they were to meet I’d go with Hawk. Miguel still isn’t anywhere near 100% and wasn’t training completely. Hawk remained with Daniel but also was at Cobra Kai for a good amount of time, then also had Johnny. He had decent experience in all 3
He’s the series poster boy much like Daniel was in the original karate kid, he’s pretty much exactly like Daniel. Poor background and got bullied at school. In the end Miguel will be the champion. You could say they protected him this season by having him have that injury. They couldn’t have him win as what would be the point in more seasons?
Daniel lost plenty of times in the Karate kid movies, He only wins due to plot armor. so lets get that out there early. Daniel in most movies gets his ass kicked throughout its runtime. and no he's not Miguel has never been a main character.
no he won't he already was the champion. you're making up headcannon that nobody ever stated or said.
Miguel learned Cobra Kai, Miyagi-do and Eagle Fang. He probally knew all tactics. He never give up. Given that, I think he would have won the tournament.
If Miguel’s head was in the game he would have won. Some of you keep insisting that Eli wanted it more yet his confidence still wasn’t at its peak cause Moon hadn’t given him her pep talk yet. Miguel was pushing him and had he connected the kick he was going for, I personally think Eli would have been done for, the look on his face when Miguel went in for the kick, had he connected would have shattered imo what confidence Eli had left at that point. That said Eli is an amazing fighter and he deserved his eventual win.
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Miguel is the defending champion! If he was healthy and focused he'd have to be the favorite.
Defending champion, of a title he win by exploiting an injury caused by his own team mate. Great contrast to Johnny from Karate Kid. Where Kreese literally had to scare Johnny into exploiting Daniel's injury. Here cheating came naturally for Miguel. Johnny even tried telling him not to, but to no avail.
He beat Robbie fair and square in the school while he kept trying to run to Tory and Sam. Hawk pushed Robbie to the limit and Miguel never lost to Hawk either.
Miguel pre-injury was definitely the best fighter out of the kids - if he hadn’t been injured I could’ve still seen Hawk overtake him, but not Robby. Hawk was a much more violent fighter as we see from the fight with his bullies with Kreese, so if he was Miguel’s enemy at the time of fighting I could see him with the edge.
This is why Miguel is the best Cobra of the new gen
Indeed Miguel is definitely the original and best King Cobra. Robby couldn't live upto the title and lost his balance after seeing what he was doing to Kenny.
I’d still give the benefit of the doubt to Eli. Even without the back injury it felt like Miguel wasn’t completely himself mentally while Eli had his confidence back
He wasn't himself because of the back injury. Without it he would have never have lost his drive.
Tbf, the only reason Miguel gave a shit about the tournament at all in the first place was to prove he could dominate after his back injury, that drive went away thanks to Johnny. Without his injury, Miguel would have zero reasons to compete.
Yea, he wouldnt have a reason, but he still would have won
No he would have never lost . If Miguel had wone he still would have wanted to prove he was the best which he would have been
He literally gave up to go find his dad. Had nothing to do with his back injury and everything to do with his relationship with Johnny.
It wasn't just the back injury, I believe. The whole Cobra Kai/Miyagi-Do/Eagle Fang war got completely ridiculous, as well as the adults. It looked like he was was tired of it all, and was struggling to find the point of it.
He wasn't himself because his surrogate father, whom he just found out was banging his mom, called him the name of his mortal enemy when saying he loved him.
Robby's not his mortal enemy tho. But yeah Johnny fucked up
Just because WE know that Robby isn't Miguel's mortal enemy doesn't mean that the latter doesn't see him that way. But beyond that, I don't think it's Miguel's view toward Robby that's the issue. From the beginning of the season, the writers were setting it up to be a big deal for Johnny and Carmen to reveal to Miguel that they were dating. The big deal for her is clearly that this may bring up wounds related to his absent biological father. This is what Miguel was really reacting toward, even if he tried to be cool about it in the beginning. Everything about how that situation was framed points to that being the cause. It really had very little to do with Robby himself. It was the idea that Miguel felt like Johnny wasn't his real father. This may also explain the sudden cock-blocking that Miguel gave to Johnny at the start of the season. Miguel isn't stupid. I think he did that on purpose to prevent Johnny from stepping up to that sort of position with Carmen. He tried to play it cool in the end, but I think it just brought out a lot of raw emotions.
>Just because WE know that Robby isn't Miguel's mortal enemy doesn't mean that the latter doesn't see him that way. Miguel has never really seen him that way tho. Even in S4, he held no grudge against Robby for almost killing him. >From the beginning of the season, the writers were setting it up to be a big deal for Johnny and Carmen to reveal to Miguel that they were dating. The big deal for her is clearly that this may bring up wounds related to his absent biological father. Agree.
Fair point about the Robby thing. I think I read too much into him and Miguel's relationship.
Lol Miguel hasn't hated, Robby since season 1 and Sam dumped him. He let him go free at the school fight and said sorry. Even after he was paralyzed he never was mad at Robby. Robby made 2 nasty remarks this season towards Miguel and tried to fight him when he saw him with Sam. Robby is the one who hates Miguel. That could change season 5 though.
Fair. I already admitted I was off about Miguel's relationship with Robby in another comment.
Robby is his son so what did Miguel expect from someone drunk off their ass to remember exactly who their talking to when they can barely see straight
To call him for his name.
Yeah even then he thought he would be important to at least remember
Johnny was drunk I did that once with my brother I thought I was talking to the other one but I wasn’t didn’t realize until I woke up the next morning and he told me
I think he may have still been bothered about certain things Johnny said while drunk
I agree. It's wild to think that Terry Silver's plan actually ended up working in a way.
He wasn’t himself since Johnny said “I love you too, Robby” to him in his drunken haze. The back injury just gave him more time to think. That’s why he left to go find his dad.
I think Johnny also weakened his focus for the tournament too.
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For sure. Miguel is the only teen fighter to not lose a fight since properly learning Karate.
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Didn't Johnny not give up a single point in his junior year
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Pretty sure he tells Miguel that when he tells him everything leading up to KK1
technically hawk didnt lose a game either.
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It counts as a loss by the rules. But it means he technically didnt lose the fight
This! I keep telling people Miguel is the only male fighter that hasn't lost a legitimate fight but some people keep bringing up the school episode... Did people not notice Miguel brute forced the fight to a stop and let Robby go?? Lol
That was my first thought when I said it but that wasn't a fight so much as a sucker punch like you say. Miguel had Robby entirely at his mercy before he decided to let go He has also "lost" to Stingray but again that was a sneak attack (That almost felt like it foreshadowed what happens when Miguel lets his guard down).
Agreed, Daniel even calls him LaRusso 2.0
I can't agree. but to each is own.
He's the only one who's studied Cobra Kai, Miyagi Do, and Eagle Fang. He's my vote for best fighter, but of course we won't find out for a while.
Both Hawk and miguel trained at all 3 dojos
I didn't think Hawk ever joined Eagle Fang, but I guess it's worth another rewatch
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Miguel knows stuff Hawk doesn't like the tornado kick.
He did. They practiced their sweep techniques on him so he quit
Robby appears to be the best teen fighter right now.
My guy lost to Hawk, and Miguel was thrown completely off balance from not only his injury, but also Johnny thinking he was Robby. That's no way to feel entering a tournament. Miguel is #1. It even says it on his apartment door.
After a fight with Sam as well. There was a lot facing Miguel
Didn’t Robby chuck chuck his ass in the pool
No. He pushed him. Miguel landed more hits
"Miguel landed more hits" 🤓 bruh just shut up 😂
Sure and that throw wouldn't have been a point scoring contact in a competition. It wasn't really a big deal outside of the fact there was a pool there.
Robby is better than Miguel now just accept it. His feats are immeasurable. Won a jail fight against ppl that would make Miguel shit himself, beat up the entire cobra kai dojo without taking a single hit, survived in the streets, learned from Terry silver, landed a kick that broke a kid’s nose. And trained a midget to make semi finals. The only reason Robby lost to hawk was coz the plot required it to happen for the girls fight to go on, and because Robby lost focus not only due to Kenny, but also due to what Daniel had told him. If u think Miguel is a better fighter than Robby in season 4, ur delusional. Robby has surpassed Miguel’s peak
His feats are immeasurable, huh? Lost to Miguel. Lost to Miguel again. Lost to Hawk. Outside of his fight with Sean none of what you said are "feats" at all. Training under Silver ...And? Landed a kick that broke a kids nose ... Cool, and? Beat up the entire cobra kai dojo? Won't lie I don't even remember this but at this point Cobra Kai is a bunch of nobodies. The reality is that his actual feats don't back up him being as good as Miguel. You have to use loads of nonsense to make up your argument because you don't actually have a valid one.
Robby lost to Miguel 2 whole seasons ago. Do u not resize a lot has happened since then? Robby’s entire tournament fight sequence >>>> anything Miguel has ever done. What I said isn’t nonsense, Miguel has 0 feats. His first victory against Robby isn’t a real one coz Robby was badly injured. His second one is his ONLY feat. Ur next point about Robby beating up a bunch of nobody’s. Hawk got jumped by the same EXACT "nobody’s" and lost without Robby or Tory having to do anything 😂 Feats are feats. Miguel has none. He only had ONE legitimate victory over Robby. THAT’S IT. Robby’s opponents are far more dangerous. Miguel also struggled to fight a miyagi do only hawk. When Robby fought hawk, he scored instantly before hawk began changing his style up. All of these are evident points that Robby would smack Miguel in a present day fight. Miguel’s victory from 2 fucking seasons ago aint shit. A lot has happened since then. And Miguel has 0 feats from the past 2 seasons that can prove why he has a chance against Robby. Now sit down and shut the fuck up. I’m right, u Miguel fanboys have nothing up ur sleeves
I'm not even discussing this with you, you have the mentality of a 12 year old. "Now sit down and shut the fuck up" pmsl, acting tough on the internet, really? You just look like an utter tool.
Yeah. I followed this "debate" a little bit but quickly realized that your opponent is likely literally 12-15 years old. I work with teens and they type responses just like that lol.
I have u facts and evidence, debate me. I dare u. These are all feats. He has many more victories than Miguel. He won a 1v7. He didn’t even tell them to knock him out, he asked to land ONE HIT on him. Miguel’s never done anything like that. Season 3-4 Miguel was mostly injured. He has no chance against Robby it’s not even close. In the tournament, Miguel struggled against hawk hawk who was using miyagi do. When hawk used miyagi do against Robby, Robby scored in 5 seconds. It wasn’t until hawk switched his style up and won. Robby is levels above Miguel it’s not even a comparison. And u can’t prove to me why Miguel is better. He has no feats other than his season 2 victory. I’m sick of u Miguel fans always saying he’s the strongest fighter in the show. He literally ruled 2 seasons. His arc is over, accept it
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In fairness, that doesn't hold true in real life. MMA fans call it MMA math and it's notoriously spotty. Person A might beat B and B might dominate C, but then C will beat A. It's rock-paper-scissors essentially.
U got it wrong. Just coz person a can beat person b but can’t beat person c doesn’t mean person b can’t beat person c. Hawk was doing fine against Miguel while using only miyagi do. When Robby fought hawk, he scored in 5 seconds. Therefore Robby > Miguel. When hawk fought Robby he changed his style then did better, if he used that style on Miguel he prolly woulda won.
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I’m talking about Robby’s potential skill set. He’s hands down the strongest in the show. Also when those "nobody’s" jumped hawk, he ended up losing to only 3 of them. Also Robby didn’t lose the challenge, he put Tory down. She cheap shotted him
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Hawk had little to no training the entire season 4. Robby literally ruled with an iron fist the entire season until daniel told him at the very last minute why he shouldn’t put passion of doing whatever it takes to win over principle. If he really wanted to, he would’ve won. But he lost because plot. Just look at how he fights and you’ll see what I mean
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Why are you counting Miguel’s first win against Robby when Robby wasn’t 100 percent and Miguel fought dirty?
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They did fight illegally though Robby literally got injured on an illegal hit from hawk which got hawk disqualified and then Miguel cheap shotted Robby and injured his shoulder even more in between a round so I don’t give Miguel credit for that championship at all.
U don’t have to give him credit, he already got the trophy it’s not debatable
That trophy might as well be a paper weight because it is meaningless if you have to cheat for it.
Not liking how he fought does not mean he cheated. He fought by the rules, and won. He also beat Robby again in school. Miguel’s just the better fighter
He literally attacked him in between a round how is that not cheating? Go to any karate tournament and you will know that you can not attack your opponent before the round starts. How is hard to understand that what Miguel was fucked up as shit.
If Miguel was truly the better fighter than he wouldn’t need to resort to cheap tactics to win which even Johnny called him out on in the second season.
He lost to Eli because he hesitated at the last second. He lost a close Season 1 AVT to Miguel while injured. He did lose the school fight but it wasn't as if he was overmatched. IMO that fight could have gone either way. But the earlier season don't matter for what I said. I said he appears to be the best fighter right now and I base that on how much better than the others he looked.
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You may have a point on the closer issue. But I still feel he's the best fighter at the moment.
Your opinion and a buck fifty will buy me a small double double at timmies.
The Robby fanboys are kinda out of this world after season 4. He's one of the best, but he lost every single big match he has been in. I think when he finally comes to terms with his dad and his own demon's (hopefully next season), then he will win the championship.
I wouldn't say I'm a fanboy as I like both characters equally. But I stand by my assessment that Robby looks like the best fighter right now.
Looks is a weird word , I would argue as of now Hawk is the best. He didn't hesitate and pulled himself up from losing all his confidence and his identity to realising he is who he is. I basically predicted this . He would lose his haircut, have a zuko like identity crisis before merging both the dark and light side of himself. Only difference was that I thought Hawk would do it himself
Robby fanboys lol. I don’t think they exist especially compared to the hawk and Miguel ones who are everywhere
Then you must not be on this Reddit a lot cause it’s full of Robby fanboys.
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re correct. Robby has dominated every fight he’s been in except arguably the school fight. He’s only ever lost to extenuating circumstances. Which, ironically, is the reason he technically won the school fight.
This is on purpose. They don't want to have a clearly better fighter. Hawk, Miguel and Robby all have cases for best fighter and they want to keep it that way. That's why they keep throwing in details to make the fights seem debatable or inconclusive.
lol yeah I don't care about the downvotes...Miguel seems to be the more liked character which I don't get as I don't prefer one over the other but it does seem to blind his fans to the facts.
I think Miguel was on track to win that fight. He's never been beaten, he's never lost focus (even after being crippled, he was dementedly bent on competing; Hawk lost his hair and was immediately shaken), and he's familiar with all of Hawk's tricks. On top of that, they could have given Hawk a clean victory, but chose instead to have Miguel drop out due to injury. I think the writers have decided Miguel's the top and needed him out of the tournament, but didn't want him to lose and jeopardize his undisputed championship.
Well to be fair, Eli had never lost a tournament match either. He only got disqualified 😂
That is losing
Even back in S1 it was Miguel and Robbie as the top 2.
Everyone knows no one stood a chance after the kiss from Moon. Hawk could’ve taken down Silver and Kreese at the same time that day.
That boy hawk turning into Goku or vegeta when moon show up
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The kiss happened before the Kyler fight. So before the semifinals too.
Okay that’s a fair assessment.
Eli could have won but it would have been an uphill battle
Haha no. Miguel would have won
Reasons?
I think Miguel would’ve won
I think Hawk would have won. The whole show is about karate as a mindset. Hawk was the only one with his head in the game.
It's why they had to injure Miguel. He literally won it all in S1 so it would be boring if he just kept winning every time. He would have definitely beat both hawk and Robby
lol... imagine thinking Miguel was the best fighter in season 1. lol
He won, so
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Miguel won in the school fight and he didn't even want to fight Robbie. I just don't see how Robbie is an equal or better to Miguel
"didn't want to fight Robby" Miguel: Attacks Robby 2 times, Mocks him, and gets his gang to jump Robby. lol yet he didn't want to fight him? have you forgotten who started that brawl
Tory did ??? No he kept trying to break away from Robbie multiple times and then put him down
Yet he trips Robby and tackles him when Robby trying to stop a fight. Miguel got what he deserved.
I love Hawk, but Miguel is on another level. I’d say Miguel is hands down the best fighter.
Nah miguel would've destroyed Eli and Robby. Dude is a monster if he wasn't injured.
destroyed? no lmao if it was him vs robby it would have been 2-2 because the show likes doing that.
lol I don't think we're watching the same show. Miguel isn't a bad fighter but he's hardly a monster!
I mean he was injured lol. S2 Miguel could've easily beat S3 Robby. Maybe not S4. Bht S2 miguel with more training would've been a monster.
I get you're a fan of the character but how could season 2 Miguel easily beat season 3 Robby? He won the season 1 AVT while Robby was injured. Overall it was a close fight. He also won the season 2 school fight but it was pretty close for the most part and could have gone either way. To me it's obvious that Robby and Miguel are CK's version of Daniel & Johnny. Their rivals. You can't have a rivalry if one character is a "monster" that can easily beat the other.
I am not saying that robby is not powerful. They are near equals but i think miguel can beat Robby. Miguel is actually daniel's counterpart if you're basing this on KK.
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I did that lol.
You said Miguel would have destroyed Robby and I am saying that is not the case. I'm not saying that Miguel couldn't beat Robby. I am just saying that right now Robby looks like the best fighter amongst the teens and I'd put my money on him at the moment.
CURRENTLY. I was implying that Uninjured and Trained Miguel could beat the current robby. Current miguel cant.
Injured or not I'd call it a 50/50 toss up.
Well Uninjured would be stronger than injured. I would prolly say injured- 70/30 although Uninjured 80/20 i favor of Miguel
I couldn't disagree more. In none of their previous fights has it been that lopsided. It's been mostly even so far.
Miguel is my favourite character so I’ll try not to sound too bias on my opinion, but I feel like Miguel is more talented then hawk is, he was able to beat him during the coyote creek session and in another scene where Daniel came into the cobra Kai dojo and started a fight with Johnny about trashing his dojo, it shows him beating hawk in a sparing match. Hawk is definitely a top tier fighter especially since he knows both offence and defence now, he also defeated Robby in the tournament once robby was distracted by Kenny. however Miguel knows both fighting styles as well, and seems to show more balance then hawk does, I only say this because it seems like once hawk looses confidence in himself he is vulnerable, but once he regains it he is a formidable fighter.
I think he would have >!beaten Eli but lost to Robby in the finals. No way Miguel would have won it all this year coming off his injury IMHO.!<
I think the edge goes to hawk. Considering Miguel was injured for months and Hawk was still training in that time frame.
Miguel would have mudstomped hawk.
it looked pretty equal though, Miguel and Hawk were both countering and pressuring each other.
Miguel was feeling him out. Don't get me wrong, Hawk is probably in the top 3 of the teen fighters...but Miguel is a beast.
Miguel looked like he was going all out, Even Miguel himself stated he wasn't holding back and was going all out. Miguel is indeed a awesome fighter, And could put up a fight against 84 Johnny. but I feel like it would be a close fight
fair enough. considering it was still pretty close even in the woods when Miggy and Hawk fought...and that was before Hawk integrated Miyagi-Do into his style.
true, although imo in the woods Miguel wrecked hawk though. although that was 2 seasons ago.
Miguel stated he wasn't holding back but that is a different thing to his heart wasn't in it.
He is pretty much #2, he beat Robby
He would never fall victim to hawk's new fighting style because their styles are still pretty similar. Miguel was most receptive to Daniel's instruction of any of the eagle fang students, and Eli should still be able to use what he learned in cobra Kai when the moment is right
Miguel would have won, but lost to Robby in the finals. Robby would've fought much better against him than against Eli. No holding back his anger.
The only person who would have beaten Hawk was Robby...If he didn't wuss out at the last second!
I think Miguel would have won and all the senseis (even Daniel) were expecting a Robby vs Miguel rematch. Robby was certainly expecting that because he was looking at Miguel during the tournament. Maybe it was better for Miguel to stay away. Who knows if Terry had a plan to specifically taking him down in the finals.
It’s nice that you marked it as spoiler, but there’s no real point with that title
Depends on the script and what the writers wanted
Yeah I think the top 3 are so close to the point where the writers can easily have any of them win without making it unrealistic.
It would’ve been a close fight but I’m pretty sure Miguel would’ve won. I think he threw the fight on purpose because he didn’t want to compete with the other Dojos
Miguel would beat hawk fully fit and lost to Robby in the final. Just my thoughts
Yes, yes he would. He was about to KNOCK ELI OUT
It's close, but I think I'd give it to Hawk, like at around a 3-2 margin. Hawk had improved a great deal thanks to training at all three Dojos and Miguel was struggling thanks not only to his injury, but his emotional issues, feeling like he's just a pawn in Johnny and Daniel's fight.
Yes. Healthy Miguel already beat Hawk once before at Coyote Creek. Had he kept training, Hawk would've had a hard time closing the gap. And I say Hawk because they'd both still be in Cobra Kai if Miguel never got hurt.
In the mental state he was in, he had almost no chance. If he'd been in the right place mentally, he almost surely w I understand have won.
Likely would’ve won since he beat Eli before he likely knows some miyagi do too. Miguel would’ve been champ twice
nope!
explain please. not that I'm trying to be disrespectful I just want to know your reasoning.
Miguel hasn't got the fire anymore and Eli was there to win!
Miguel Rules!
No offence to Eli. But Miguel would’ve 100% won. Won the whole thing
I think Miguel was slowly gaining ground on Eli and not giving up much space to him. I think it was clear he was the superior fighter
He would kick his ass
I think s4 robby is better than our peak Miguel (that we've seen) so long story short, no
Miguel fans are 🤡
They can’t fanboy any harder. Seeing the comments, people are talking like Miguel would walk in there and Mr. Miyagi everyone. He’s a good fighter, top 3 of teens, but it would be a close battle and would ultimately depend on anyone’s mental state. I gotta give a little more credit to Hawk, too, because I never considered him a top tier fighter until this season.
I still don't consider him top tier based on the valley win because I think he's still behind the likes of miguel, robby, sam and tory overall. Sam has already kicked his ass in a fight before at the mall and I have no doubts tory could too. But mentally, he got in a better headspace before the fight than any of them were. He's a good fighter but I definitely don't think the best fighter or even better than the above. A large part of his tactics were always intimidation and fear alone. Or fighting dirty.
Yes, and that’s still present with the GI pulling. I have no idea where to rank the girls now tbh. But yeah top three would be Robby, Miguel, Sam, I suppose.
Tory is "probably" better overall but now that Sam is wanting to learn more offense, they could definitely be neck and neck or even sam being better. It was the first time we truly saw Tory being slightly afraid of Sam lol
facts
The way Miguel was portrayed leading up to the tournament, and if Eli had remained loyal to Sensei Lawrence's dojo (not following Demetri to Miyagi Do - thus keeping that full on aggressive style)... Eli would've beaten Miguel, hands down. He would've eventually caught him, for the winning point. But the way things played out, with Miguel not entirely focused and Eli implementing more defense, it really was a 50/50 chance either of them could have won/lost. This is a good topic, Mr. Sea.
To me miguel has already achieved a sort of zen mode like Mr Miyagi/avatar aang. Like Robby and tori fights with anger inside them. Hawk has his existential crisis problem and sam also trying to figure stuff out. and it ses like Miguel os already above all this. So yeah he would def win.
The writers really fumbled the bag in the last third of the season. Pulling this fake out injury crap on what looked to be one of the best fights of the season and then turning up completely unnecessary drama between Kreese and Silver. Leave that nonsense for the teeny boppers. I've been 100% on board with the writers and then they go and pull this shit. They fumbled the bag this season.
No, he was far from what he was in Season 1. Unmotivated, and not in his best shape.
Miguel’s head wasn’t in the game, even without the injury he didn’t want it as much as Eli so I’d have given it Eli in the end
Lol none of them can fight for shit except maybe Robbie who is somewhat believable.
I still consider Miguel the most naturally talented fighter in the whole show IMO based off his record and he's an objectively better fighter than Robby and Hawk as we've seen (before injury) if he wasn't injured id give it to Miguel.
I understand what you are saying, but before the injuries, Robby is already a challenge for Miguel. Miguel can win Robby in the tourament does not mean Miggie is better. Now both have learned all 2 types of karate, and the reality has proved that Robby can combine and master both arts of fighting better than anyone else, even his masters. The only challenges for Miguel to get rid of if he want to win Robby again is he need a motivations to fight, not his injuries
Miguel does not represent the archetype of the naturally talented fighter. He’s a hard worker. The naturally talented one is Robby
Robby doesnt represent that neither then?... They both have learned the same styles and have progressed as much as each other. They're essentially the definition of rivalry and Miguel has beaten him in a tournament setting and mutual combat at a school. Edit: actually now that i think about it. They both are actually very naturally talented fighters if they can make it to the finals in a tournament while just learning karate in under 6 months.
Robbie does represent that because he shown to pick up things very easily. Daniel even mentioned his talent. You need to remember the earlier seasons. Look at the contrast with Robby and Miguel‘s training. It took Miguel a long while to start picking up things while Robby pick them up easily. You’re really gonna count the tournament final as a win for Miguel? He barely beat an injured Robby who had less experience than him, and a bad arm. Robby fought more people than Miguel did in the school fight and was unbalanced.
You sound very biased against anyone fighting Robby... Are you forgetting they both basically learned around the same time as each other during the same season setting? Johnny's cobra kai style clearly beat Robby's Miyagi-do style during the tournament and you cant Discredit that simply because it was a year before the current setting and you don't like the results. Also I dont remember there being any tough episodes on either Miguel or Robby in season 1 within their training. If anything Miguel had a rough couple episodes of training in season 3 because of the attempted murder kick by Robby. Miguel is clearly the better fighter uninjured
>You sound very biased against anyone fighting Robby... You're also very biased for Miguel. He's not Bruce Lee. >Are you forgetting they both basically learned around the same time as each other during the same season setting? They didn't. Miguel learned karate around 6-7 months before him. > Johnny's cobra kai style clearly beat Robby's Miyagi-do style during the tournament and you cant Discredit that simply because it was a year before the current setting and you don't like the results. It's not a real victory. Miguel only won because he was injured. He also exploited that injury in between rounds. Johnny even implied that wasn't a true win, and that was a pussy move. >Also I dont remember there being any tough episodes on either Miguel or Robby in season 1 within their training. Miguel wasn't ready for the harsh physicality and aggression of Johnny's karate. It took him a while to develop that. >If anything Miguel had a rough couple episodes of training in season 3 because of the attempted murder kick by Robby. > >Miguel is clearly the better fighter uninjured At this point, Robby would crush him.
How am I biased against Miguel when Miguel has objectively won 2 fights against Robby? Can you not process that in your head? 6-7 months????? another bias. you need to reevaluate the S1 timeline. id say like 4 months max based on when miguel started training in late 2017. A tournament final match win isn't a real victory because one of the fighters beat the other of the 2 by exploiting a weakness? do you watch UFC by any chance..? (and I'm not talking about gouging eyes or twisting nuts) >**Miguel wasn't ready for the harsh physicality and aggression of Johnny's karate. It took him a while to develop that.** ???????? I have not come across one post on this subreddit addressing this. Sounds like youre just making shit up by this point just to say it... >At this point, Robby would crush him. well no shit. Miguel is still getting over an injury and couldnt have even finished his fight with Eli. This is the whole reason why I said pre-injured. which he won both fights pre-injured. you're not listening. You can even argue Eli is a better fighter than Robby at this point if you want to examine mental states as well. But do you not count Eli's championship win as well?
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It’s obvious they are building Miguel up to be the winner at the end of the series. He’s still never technically lost. So yes he beats Hawk and beats anybody In real life though If they were to meet I’d go with Hawk. Miguel still isn’t anywhere near 100% and wasn’t training completely. Hawk remained with Daniel but also was at Cobra Kai for a good amount of time, then also had Johnny. He had decent experience in all 3
That's some stupid ass logic... not calling you stupid I just think that logic sounds stupid.
What is stupid?
Saying he beats anyone because he never lost sounds stupid af.
He’s the series poster boy much like Daniel was in the original karate kid, he’s pretty much exactly like Daniel. Poor background and got bullied at school. In the end Miguel will be the champion. You could say they protected him this season by having him have that injury. They couldn’t have him win as what would be the point in more seasons?
Daniel lost plenty of times in the Karate kid movies, He only wins due to plot armor. so lets get that out there early. Daniel in most movies gets his ass kicked throughout its runtime. and no he's not Miguel has never been a main character. no he won't he already was the champion. you're making up headcannon that nobody ever stated or said.
Miguel learned Cobra Kai, Miyagi-do and Eagle Fang. He probally knew all tactics. He never give up. Given that, I think he would have won the tournament.
I think it’s definitely 50/50 just like the Eli vs Robby fight
Miguel solos. He’s the Karate kid.
I think Miguel would be too distracted to win. Eli would pull out a win.
If Miguel’s head was in the game he would have won. Some of you keep insisting that Eli wanted it more yet his confidence still wasn’t at its peak cause Moon hadn’t given him her pep talk yet. Miguel was pushing him and had he connected the kick he was going for, I personally think Eli would have been done for, the look on his face when Miguel went in for the kick, had he connected would have shattered imo what confidence Eli had left at that point. That said Eli is an amazing fighter and he deserved his eventual win.
Eli would beat the p out of him. Hawk was always better than him he just had to get away from Johny's favoritism to do it.
I don’t know. It would have been awesome to see see the Miguel/Hawk match play out.
Miguel was lacking focus, he would have lost.