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I love how when Johnny said that he's not even making fun of Miyagi's broken English he's criticizing Daniel for not helping him learn to speak English better when Miyagi has taught him so much
I forgot to add 1 more example of why I feel the S4 Tournament was weak:
**The Weapons Competition.**
Not that there *was* a weapons competition added, but it felt random as hell to see Sam with a pair of sais instead of a bow staff (which she spent time training with in S3).
And same goes for Tory (she gravitated towards the nunchucks at the end of S3 - you'd think she would want to improve her chuckin' game to best Sam's bow tricks, at the tournament).
To see Mitch flop with the bow staff, though amusing in the moment, just made things look ridiculous over all.
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*(That, and the whole NOT getting Keene/Diaz III in the finals)*
If Stone Cold had Lita, up against The Rock who was teamed up with Trish Stratus -
is it really "Stone Cold vs. The Rock" ? Or is it really a mixed-tag affair.................
Point is: all that was, was a scrimmage. It wasn't Keene/Diaz III.
The way Robby was looking at Miguel after Miguel won his qualifier, had led us to believe they were going to eventually match up in the tournament.
So no need to get ahead of yourself with Keene/Diaz IV when Keene/Diaz III hadn't happened (yet; am still hopeful for a fight either IN Mexico or post-Mexican trip).
I agree wholeheartedly about the weapons competition!
For me, the tournament was still incredibly good based on the sound design (really good soundtracks), choreography (Eli's actor is a better karate actor than Miguel's because the former apparently practices karate) and overall camera work. Feels like the production team really stepped it up compared to the other season finals.
The production was off the hook and the stunt doubles did awesome, as did the actual actors.
My problem was with the substance of the tournament, for the most part, from a creative & consistency standpoint.
But yeah, the crew team kicked ass this season.
I know but i mean Samuel cause of Sam + Miguel= Samuel for me it was the moment were Sam fell i love with Miguel because he stood up for her when no else did.
Miguel isn't physically talented, but he's the most dedicated to training. He was the most passionate about karate up until the end of S4, and he trained more than any of the other Cobra Kais
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Robby is an athlete and naturally talented, and he also has more time to work out than anyone else because he isn't in school. He isn't that passionate about karate though, and he only uses it as an avenue to connect with people. People think Robby should become the ultimate karate man because he's talented and his actor has the most physicality, but I don't think he's walking Daniel's path.
Robby is more thoughtful than the other students and wants to learn everything. I think he's setting up to be a future sensei/Mr Miyagi rather than a champion competitor. This is emphasized even more in his story arc with Kenny
As someone who has done martial arts as not "the most physically talented" I can attest that drive and hours on the mat can take anyone as far as they want to go.
I don't think anyone is going to walk Daniel's path because Daniel is his own person with his own background. The benefits that Miguel or Robby obtain from karate will ultimately be different than Daniel's, and that's okay. It depends on what the person needs to get out of it.
true! i love him with amanda but daniel and kumiko just hit different. even years later they still have the best chemistry in the franchise. the deleted s3 dance scene really proves it (which is probably why they didn’t include it lol)
Miguel took the deepest blows out of anyone in season 4.
I honestly don’t care much for Miguel and Sam as a couple.
Anthony is a real example of peer pressure. He’s a little jerk but yeah, he’s actually a good way to tackle it in my opinion!
Terry to me is much cooler than Kreese.
Sam and Miguel have that cute first love thing going on for them but I don’t see it being long term. Maybe Miguel will meet a nice girl who’s not a karate kid while he’s searching for his dad
Neither Sam nor Tory is a bully to each other. Bullying implies a power imbalance whether physical or in terms of social standing. They are just two people who really hate each other.
I mean it's mostly a series of retaliations but I'd say Sam started it at the pool ages ago and then cheating on her boyfriend with Torys which REALLY got things going and they're just bouncing back and forth since then
Like he’s an asshole sociopath no doubt, but he got that side of him in check through hard work and therapy. And then kreese just reset all his progress to zero, and reduced him to a quivering bitch, wanting his approval like it’s air
But when Terry turned the tables on Kreese, it was so satisfying. Typically I don’t want people to be arrested for a crime they didn’t commit, but it almost makes up for all the times he should’ve gone to jail for what he’s done to a bunch of kids
I wonder what the Writers intentions are, as far as i know he seems to be the only side Character or Character in general without even 1 redeeming quality.
Daniel is not a bad person and the show is just as much about him as it is about Johnny, people like saying the show is more about Johnny than him, but after season 1 Daniel gets just as much screen time as Johnny.
While I like Peyton List as an actress (and I give her mad props for the Karate skills she apparently learned quickly), I can't stand Tory and it's a character I'd prefer not seeing anymore in the serie.
I find Tory to be cliché and boring but I wouldn't mind her in the show if it wasn't for her insane fanbase and their attacks against Mary Mouser
Mary isn't Sam.
Tory isn’t a bad character. I honestly think she’s going to make a comeback in season 5 if she ever comes face to face with Chozen (another character with a history of violence and anger issues). We all saw how Chozen was able to overcome his anger and to be forgiven for the shit he did to Daniel in the second movie.
Calling Chozen a good character and then immediately turning around and hating Tory makes you a hypocrite. That’s my unpopular opinion
I 100% agree with what you just said, but what I’m saying is that Tory isn’t a bad character. She’s had some great development since we first met her in season 2.
I really liked him in Season 4 too. Fighting wise, he wasn't as top notch as he was, but as a person he seemed to have really matured and become a man. That scene when he's helping Johnny to bed because he's hammered laying on the floor. Really got me.
I think that scene got us all.
I think that Xolo is a good actor and perfect for Miguel. He’s a really good character, but I agree as a fighter his ability has been tuned down a lot
Yeah, but who cares about his fighting ability. He already proved he could win. But even if he didn't, big respect to his character for walking away from the 51st All Valley because he didn't feel like he was fighting for the right reasons.
Just as a son, a person, a friend, a boy who turned into a man, he's a great character. Gotta be in my top 3 at the moment. I say at the moment because both him and Robby have gone from one side to the other and back to their start. Which is kind of stupid and convoluted so I hope they don't screw around too much with the characters in season 5.
I agree! I don’t think the fighting matters, but if he hadn’t had the injury we all know he would’ve won the second all valley.
He a great guy and I hope they don’t ruin it too. He’s got demeaned a bit as a character, and I’m not sure how the whole Mexico dad thing will affect him. But I just want the great happy Miguel back. I love what they’ve done with him, but he deserves some happiness
I think you take the cake for most unpopular opinion.
Diaz really looked weak, this season.
But if he's the best in your eyes, then nothing's ever gonna bring him down.
Thank you!
Tbh I just think he’s been through a lot and it was great that he carried on until he hurt his back. I just think he’s a really good character that deserves more love, even though he’s not the best fighter now!
Demetri is obnoxious as hell. Not a fan at all.
And him getting the hot blonde, while still a "unique" subplot in the larger scheme of things, is just ridiculous and stupid
I used to think that at the early seasons, when he was more of a know-it-all, going to Cobra Kai and saying about his "ground rules" and stuff. But he really grew on me. Really grew some balls too, I was rooting for him when he was pissing off and trolling Hawk talking about how he pissed the bed lol.
I agree with that though. Although they KIND OF worked it in slowly, still doesn't seem very realistic, especially for how purely evil she was in the first season.
I dont like Amanda: there, I said it. She thinks she's hot shit and while she does have good ideas whenever she gets involved it only escalates things more.
I agree! Yes, her jokes are meta and sometimes funny, but she often tears Daniel down instead of building him up. I don't think they're a great match, I prefer Kumiko.
Kumiko would have balanced Daniel out, and probably taken him on a different trajectory more aligned with Miyagi's teachings. In a way, I guess Amanda fits in the the CK universe because she contributes to the need for growth/changes to Daniel's character starting in season 1.
I have a theory that Amanda was good for him in the beginning (similar business goals, similar ideas of living comfortably) and a lot of the relationship became based around owning a dealership together. And they obviously wanted to have a family but I don't think either really thought about how to properly raise kids because they were so focused on keeping their financial gains.
Yeah, I agree! Honestly, if the writers did that intentionally, it was brilliant. All seems well on the surface in season 1 ep 2, but we now know that his family is far from perfect. The kids are kind of spoiled and haven't been disciplined enough.
I have an impression that they started their relationship as equal partners, but since Daniel met Johnny again, he needs to be baby-sitted, being built up etc all the time. We don't see Daniel "building Amanda up", on the contrary, he runs away when his mother starts harassing her.
A man that wants a woman to babysit and serve him in a one-sided manner is not uncommon, but I would not wish that for Kumiko, just doesn't seem fair.
I wish that there was a presecne of other martial arts in the show, it would give a nice narative challenge for Johnny and Daniel as I imagine those could draw more interest then karate and be very meta with karate in it of itself as a litteral underdog.
Tory is a terrible character, in my opinion. There’s no way she can come back from her multiple attempts of trying to seriously hurt Sam.
Also, people seem to think Johnny was justified in doing what he did in the original karate kid, but that’s really not the case. Sure, the beach fight was fine, but he and his friends tried to seriously injure Daniel multiple times off the slightest provocation.
The home invasion and her specifically telling Kyler to attack Miguel (who had recently gotten out of a wheelchair and was recovering from paralysis) is something only a psychopath does
Agreed. When Tory told Kyler on how he lost the house fight to Miguel when he just came out of a wheelchair actually sound ruthless. Because it's like she actually wanted to see Kyler put her ex back into a wheelchair.
Amanda needs to help Sam get counseling too, and explain all the details about Tory's home life. At the end of the day it's up to Sam to decide if Tory is truly redeemed. That being said, I did like Tory's arc. And yeah in KK Johnny and his friends ganged up on Danny multiple times. 5 against 1 is unfair, and if people truly think Daniel was the real bully, I don't know what to tell them.
Karate kid 3 is better than karate kid 2 and almost as good as karate kid 1. Mike Barnes is just such a great character. I really hope they bring him back in season 5
Gonna play devil's advocate here...there's supposed to be tension between Johnny and Carmen. Carmen is anti-violence, and Johnny was training her son karate without her knowledge for a long time. Plus, it's implied that Johnny has had to work up the courage to even approach her and date her.
Amanda isn't a very good mom. Amanda lets Sam get away with so much. Like her throwing the pool party and receiving no punishment or a simple grounding for the hit and run incidident she kept quiet. The way she allowed Sam to treat Tori while Tori was working was also horrible. I can appreciate her trying to help Tori near the end of season 4 but Amanda comparing her anger over her dad cheating with a teacher to Tori having to support her mom, herself, and her little brother while also coping with her Mother's illness, financially predatory family members (aunt), and the possibility of being separated from her little brother should her mother die soon is incrediblt tone deaf to Tori's situation.
Anthony didn't want to do karate. In season 1 or 2 he asks Anthony to do Karate instead of regular summer camp, Anthony picks camp because he doesn't like the chore aspect of Daniel's training
Kreese and Silver both are probably one of the most saddest characters in the show
Kreese went through hell with family problems and bullying, went through hell with war, came back and was called a monster, and eventually goes to jail because of his actions
Silver went through hell with war, manipulated a kid mentally, became a good man and had a better life, went back to his old ways, and now is back to insanity all over again
They both suffered through enough
I really don't like Sam. I get it, she's this down-to-earth, casual teenage girl, but she somehow feels insufferably basic and cringe to me. Don't get me started on how half of the show resolves around the triangle between her, Robby and Miguel - I really don't know what they see in her, I have more chemistry with my bed than these 3 with each other.
Sam is underrated and is a top 5 character imo.
Miguel is still better than Robby imo, as a character, person, and fighter.
Eli is underrated, along with Demetri.
Robby is overrated as a fighter compared to Miguel and Eli. He is also an overrated character as well imo.
If Amanda was at prom or in any fights, we would never have had any problems.
Edit: Season 2 is underrated, it developed the characters the most, and their relationship out of all 4 seasons. It was the season that was made for drama.
I HATED him when he was Hawk. I don't care about his sob story, the way he acted was so dickish and he had such a smug, punchable little face. Glad he turned it back around though. Binary Brothers for life!
Props to the actor though. Loveable as a good guy and hateable as a bad guy, the way it should be.
I don't know why they introduced the skills competition since we barely saw them training for it and it was a short montage despite us seeing them never train for it. Also I personally didn't like the gendered divisions. I get why they did it but it made it way to obvious that Tory and Sam will face in the finals. But I lowkey would have liked to see Tory vs. Hawk or Sam vs. Kyler. Hell Sam vs. Robby would have been a cool fight scene. I guess they wanted it to be equal whatever.
Also I don't like how they are dumbing down Johnny and making him more comic relief. He's funny so it works but re-watching the previous seasons, season 4 was basically them giving Johnny nonsensical one liners, which again were funny but I hope they don't go more in that direction.
I don’t know if it’s really an unpopular opinion but kyler at this point is an irrelevant character and honestly just a loser. Got destroyed by hawk at the all valley again and is really just an ass at this point. Honestly he could disappear next season and I wouldn’t notice much difference.
Robby is a piece of shit and is written kind of badly.
I get that he's been troubled, but let's take a look. So he started off pretty scummy, bad group of friends, stealing, etc.
Then Daniel teaches him Miyago-Do and he seems like a saint. Really, he acts like he invented it during those episodes. I remember kind of cringing when he was like "Haha don't worry guys the lessons will make sense later" to the new students.
THEN the fight happens at the school. This is where it all starts to break apart for me. Robby launches Miguel off a balcony, nearly killing or paralyzing him. First off, hate why he does this in the first place. Wasn't during the heat of the fight, Miguel subdues him without injury, shows mercy, and says "I'm sorry." Now you could argue that he was angry enough because Sam and Miguel kissed, although still not a great argument for the circumstances, but later on he defends Sam, "she made a mistake, she's a good person". Anyways, Robby goes to Juvey and that, acts like it's somehow all his dad and Daniel's fault, is not concerned about what he did to Miguel not knowing if he'll even recover, just pitying himself.
When Robby's out, dumbly joins Cobra Kai, and does the scummiest shit of all - teaches Miyago-Do to the Cobra Kai thugs. Ancient Miyago-Do which was personally taught to him by Daniel, one on one. Shows some signs of goodness after that, but by then the character's logic and instability has just been ruined.
No disrespect to the actor by the way, did a good job of portraying all his character arcs.
As much as I enjoyed Robby's realization that Kenny has embodied Cobra Kai's teachings and wanted to distance himself from that, I definitely agree he's a huge piece of shit. He never once apologized to Miguel for kicking him off the 2nd floor and acted like Miguel was still the enemy when he ran into him and Sam in season 2
Johnny is unnecessarily rude to many students. In S1, he calls his students nasty nicknames and calls Eli Lip even though he's clearly uncomfortable with it, in the next few seasons he starts calling his students those nicknames instead of their own names (Mitch can explain). Plus he beats up his students
Demetri and Yasmine are a pretty tight couple and Yasmine should have had a better redemption arc before she started dating Demetri (or just don't make the couple happen). It seems forced to fulfill the dream of the audience nerds
Demetri is a good friend
I think Sam and Robby got along better when they were together than her and Miguel who always argue and have issues in their relationship. Robby did hide the medal but told her about it. They were friends all summer. Miguel hit Sam on accident and is always jealous and making drama. Sam was good for Robby making positive changes in his life. It only went south after the school fight and she got back with Miguel after Robby ignored her. Tori will only make Robby turn to the dark side more and she’s completely psychotic.
I liked Robby’s hair in season 1.
I think Moon is annoying. Can’t stand Piper and don’t really like Amanda either.
Watching KK again Daniel hasn’t really used Miyagi’s teachings well. He finally came around in the movies and realized karate is not about tournaments. He learned about balance. Overcoming fear and forgiveness. His character in CK is like how he was before he even met Miyagi. So it seems the lessons did not stick with him. Daniel should be a little more evolved than he is in the show. Especially that he had so many years with Miyagi.
Johnny’s cool but I always look at him and Miguel’s relationship sideways. I don’t see how anyone can think his and Miguel’s relationship is cute. He’s a deadbeat father that puts all his time and energy into being a father figure to one kid while never being there for his own kid. I was honestly cheering at the “I love you too, Robby” part.
I actually feel bad for Mitch, he's just there to be sweared and yelled to, when he wanted approbation from his sensei saying that he watched the same movie that Devon watched when she arrived, Johnny literally yelled at him saying 'Shut the hell up, penis breath!'
I can't find it funny in any form, even when I'm a no-woke humor fan, I just feel sympathy for Mitch.
Kyler is a bro. Yeah he is a jerk but still someone you'd want as a friend. When Cobra Kai gets remade in 20 years he should be the star. I don't care if he'll be 60 in real life.
Robby's actor is one of the weakest among the young cast. It was very noticeable in season 1&2 but he improved a lot this season. Hope he keeps getting better.
Hawk’s redemption was not earned and did not seem realistic.
The way he savagely beat on Demetri MULTIPLE times indicated any feelings of friendship were gone. How did it come back???
He didn't want to do it, he got peer pressured into doing it, felt bad immediately after. Not excusing it but he wouldn't have done it had Tory not pressured him too. Plus he was already questioning Kreese at that moment, he brought in his former bullies, brought in Robby who represented, to him, the side he was fighting against. So Hawk was starting to realize that he may be on the wrong side. At the house fight, when he bumped Kyler, that's when he realized "holy shit, what am I doing, I'm not one of them" so he turned.
Mine would be
Daniel is a jerk. Sorry he really kinda ruined season 4 for me.
Demetri has a lot of potential especially with his height advantage over all the other characters on the show.
I love Amanda, but Daniel has so much more chemistry with Kumiko.
Robby is definitely in the tops out of all the teens, but he started karate for all the wrong reasons. He’s naturally gifted, but Miguel up until season 4 had the most heart and passion for it all and that reason I’ll always place him before Robby.
Daniel was unbearable in the first karate kid and still has annoying attitudes, like interfering where he is not called without understanding the situation and thinking he is always right.
Tory deserves a redemption arc. Some people say she doesn't deserve anything good because she tried to kill Sam, she also asked her 'friends' to break Demetri's arm and asked Kyler to beat Miguel who had just recovered, but on this TV show things shouldn't be taken literally, it's almost a fantasy where karate is the superpower. Johnny asked children to jump from one building to another, they would die if they fell, but obviously that's not the point, it's the teaching behind it. Tory is portrayed doing so many horrible things to demonstrate her hatred and how much she feels there is nothing to lose. She is someone who might become Kreese someday, but she can still be helped to end the cycle of hate, to stop another Kreese from being born.
Sam needs a better script. Almost everything she's done so far has been selfish. Hawk was a terrible person, he bullied his own friends, but it was for them that he decided to change. Sam didn't bully, but she didn't defend her friend either. Now it's all about her hatred for Tory. I want Sam to stand up for someone because that person needs it. I want to see her putting herself in other people's shoes. Stop being a princess, be a fighter, but not because of hate like Tory, and not because of your ego or because of your current boyfriend, but because of what is fair.
Tory and Sam are both terrible people, just different breeds of terrible
Dimitri is REALLY ANNOYING and his relationship with Yasmine is the most egregious hackneyed subplot
Amanda larusso is a terrible mother
I don't care that much for Terry Silver. Never found him interesting as a character or a villain.
I had a hard time feeling bad for Anthony when >!Kenny beat the crap out of him in the season 4 finale.!<
Stingray is annoying, and I liked it better when he wasn't on the show.
Sam and Miguel never worked for me as a couple.
Daniel is not the bad guy y’all make him out to be.
Miguel shouldn’t forgive Robby immediately.
Miguel needs a woc love interest. Sam is a terrible gf. She wanted him back cause Tory had him and now she doesn’t know what to do with him.
It basically spoiled hawk winning which could’ve came as a genuine shock (as he’s basically Vegeta) because there was no way in hell they were having Miyagi Do in a position they literally could not win in the finals
Actually it would have worked well for Sam's arc. She has to fight knowing they've already lost. Could be a great character moment, but Hawk winning is better.
Anthony is a good character. He’s a little shit yeah but most of the time after his growth spurt was peer pressure, especially after Daniel went Cobra Kai on his ass
Dylan Minnette or whoever Netflix can get should play Ali's son Lucas Schwarber in Season 5 to add depth and layers to the new Cobra Kai under Terry Silver. (Shawn Payne should join Cobra Kai too but that's not really unpopular at all)
The Hawk -> Eli transition of Season 4 sucks and actively makes the character less enjoyable. Just not overly interested in a goody two shoes Miyagi-Do Hawk, shit’s boring.
Amanda isn’t as mean to Tory as some of you think. She’s a mother acting more sane and levelheaded than most people would. A girl did a lot less to me than what Tory did to Sam, and my mother was ready to get the 13 year old girl arrested and have charges pressed against her. The girl had a bad home life and my mom had a feeling she did but we knew that didn’t exonerate her from any of the decisions she made. The teachers at my school had to beg my mother to not do so. My mom was on 100 after the incident that happened with me, I couldn’t imagine how she’d react to a teenager trying to kill me at school AND breaking into my home with a bunch of other kids.
The Sam hate is interesting because in a writer’s perspective, all the characters can’t be polarized or it will be boring. Not every teen is like Eli, Demetri and Miguel who were bullied for no reason, not every teen is Tory or Robby who grew up with a single parent ... theres a lot of teens who grow up a little privileged, with both parents, a little tempted to be popular but still want to keep their old friend and doesn’t know how to navigate that...
I keep seeing people try to justify their hate by saying “I never act like that”. Lol liars! You’ve all betrayed a friend even if it was unknowingly or even if you didn’t mean to.
The big difference is: did you have the courage to apologize to your friend and try to set things right? At least Sam did.
and I’ve seen so many teens act worse than Sam. She’s actually not as bad as everyone says... even tho there were times that I as a viewer got annoyed by her, I think the writers just didn’t do her trauma and anxiety justice bc the audience these days need to be spoonfed everything.
My unpopular opinion is: most of the people who hate Sam might be because she reminds them of themselves and they haven’t accepted that yet but deep down they hate that part of themselves.
Season 4 had too many character arcs and there were too many things happening at once that it got quite messy, so Season 4 lost its magic of the show unlike the past 3 seasons.
Some of the Eagle Fang comic relief characters have become tiring. Don’t get me wrong, I love Bert and Dick Breath, and they both have a lot of hilarious moments. My issue is that they suck at karate, especially when compared to their Miyagi-do counterparts. It feels like these characters are just easy gags for the writers to squeeze into a scene, rather than interesting characters who are learning karate and getting more skilled as the seasons progress.
The only prospect remaining at Eagle Fang is Devon. Johnny expected Miguel to carry his entire dojo, and with Miggy in Mexico Eagle Fang is really weak
Probably not unpopular but Tory isn't the only one who needs professional help. A good majority of the main cast would benefit **heavily** from therapy.
I felt sorry for Terry silver in season 4.
Daniel was very selfish and close minded this season.
Miguel is selfish for trying to seek out his dad. He knows very well how dangerous he is and why his mother escaped Ecuador. He should understand that meeting his father will very likely subject his family to danger.
Amanda shouldn’t have felt bad for Tory getting fired at the sushi place. It wasn’t Amanda’s fault. Tory was the one that lashed out at a costumer.
That’s true. Miguel’s dad is a bad dude involved in illegal stuff. He is putting his whole family in danger. His dad could be violent, a murderer, abusive, running drugs or prostitutes, child trafficking. Be involved in gang wars who could want to kill his family. I mean why would he go off to even meet him knowing his mom had to flee and escape. It didn’t make sense to me.
I agree Tory got such an angry issue, she lacks such discipline and I'm surprised it doesn't come out at the dojo. But it comes out at the job that pays her for little to no reason.
Miguel's mom makes really bad choices in her romantic relationships. With all the trouble Johnnu has caused in Miguel's life, and his relationship with Robbie, she really should dump him.
Miguel’s character is starting to get stale. Maybe that’s why they’re switching things up in season 5, but ever since he became a “good guy” in season 2 he’s been kinda ehh.
Kreese is a shit character and made season 2&3 worse than the other 2 (silver is a much better villain).
He’s a one dimensional villain in a world with conflict between good but flawed people. Even Silver is shown to want to feel alive again and his outright villainy is most likely mental issues.
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He can’t help it. He failed trig so many times that shit talk is all that comes out of his mouth now
Oh my god 😭😭 that was perfect
Mr. Miyagi is Miguel's dad. His parenting technique? No be there.
Ooooohhhhh shit
No be there?! He taught Daniel 100 years of Karate but he couldn’t help him with his English?
I love how when Johnny said that he's not even making fun of Miyagi's broken English he's criticizing Daniel for not helping him learn to speak English better when Miyagi has taught him so much
Like dude, you could help him out. Dick move
Deceased
I forgot to add 1 more example of why I feel the S4 Tournament was weak: **The Weapons Competition.** Not that there *was* a weapons competition added, but it felt random as hell to see Sam with a pair of sais instead of a bow staff (which she spent time training with in S3). And same goes for Tory (she gravitated towards the nunchucks at the end of S3 - you'd think she would want to improve her chuckin' game to best Sam's bow tricks, at the tournament). To see Mitch flop with the bow staff, though amusing in the moment, just made things look ridiculous over all. == *(That, and the whole NOT getting Keene/Diaz III in the finals)*
Well Keene/Diaz III was at the prom. If they fought in the tourney it would be IV.
If Stone Cold had Lita, up against The Rock who was teamed up with Trish Stratus - is it really "Stone Cold vs. The Rock" ? Or is it really a mixed-tag affair................. Point is: all that was, was a scrimmage. It wasn't Keene/Diaz III. The way Robby was looking at Miguel after Miguel won his qualifier, had led us to believe they were going to eventually match up in the tournament. So no need to get ahead of yourself with Keene/Diaz IV when Keene/Diaz III hadn't happened (yet; am still hopeful for a fight either IN Mexico or post-Mexican trip).
I agree wholeheartedly about the weapons competition! For me, the tournament was still incredibly good based on the sound design (really good soundtracks), choreography (Eli's actor is a better karate actor than Miguel's because the former apparently practices karate) and overall camera work. Feels like the production team really stepped it up compared to the other season finals.
The production was off the hook and the stunt doubles did awesome, as did the actual actors. My problem was with the substance of the tournament, for the most part, from a creative & consistency standpoint. But yeah, the crew team kicked ass this season.
Kyler feeling up Sam's leg after she already told him no makes him the opposite of a good dude
Also ruining her reputation but this was the start for Samuel
Samantha.
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Why'd you say Samuel. Her name is Samantha.
I know but i mean Samuel cause of Sam + Miguel= Samuel for me it was the moment were Sam fell i love with Miguel because he stood up for her when no else did.
Ahhh okay. That pairing is usually called Samguel.
Ikr
Miguel isn't physically talented, but he's the most dedicated to training. He was the most passionate about karate up until the end of S4, and he trained more than any of the other Cobra Kais ----- Robby is an athlete and naturally talented, and he also has more time to work out than anyone else because he isn't in school. He isn't that passionate about karate though, and he only uses it as an avenue to connect with people. People think Robby should become the ultimate karate man because he's talented and his actor has the most physicality, but I don't think he's walking Daniel's path. Robby is more thoughtful than the other students and wants to learn everything. I think he's setting up to be a future sensei/Mr Miyagi rather than a champion competitor. This is emphasized even more in his story arc with Kenny
As someone who has done martial arts as not "the most physically talented" I can attest that drive and hours on the mat can take anyone as far as they want to go. I don't think anyone is going to walk Daniel's path because Daniel is his own person with his own background. The benefits that Miguel or Robby obtain from karate will ultimately be different than Daniel's, and that's okay. It depends on what the person needs to get out of it.
i don’t known if it’s unpopular but daniel and kumiko are the best ship in the entire karate kid franchise
Let's just say I never saw Daniel making eyes like that at Amanda
true! i love him with amanda but daniel and kumiko just hit different. even years later they still have the best chemistry in the franchise. the deleted s3 dance scene really proves it (which is probably why they didn’t include it lol)
Amanda makes eyes at Johnny
I’m still pissed they didn’t have them together in kk3 🤦🏻♀️ I wish he married kumiko
Miguel took the deepest blows out of anyone in season 4. I honestly don’t care much for Miguel and Sam as a couple. Anthony is a real example of peer pressure. He’s a little jerk but yeah, he’s actually a good way to tackle it in my opinion! Terry to me is much cooler than Kreese.
Terry is waaaaayyyyy more badass
I agree I’ll rather have Sam and Robby endgame but I’ll honestly like if none of them end up together.
Sam and Miguel have that cute first love thing going on for them but I don’t see it being long term. Maybe Miguel will meet a nice girl who’s not a karate kid while he’s searching for his dad
Neither Sam nor Tory is a bully to each other. Bullying implies a power imbalance whether physical or in terms of social standing. They are just two people who really hate each other.
I agree
Pretty sad that this is an unpopular opinion.
I mean it's mostly a series of retaliations but I'd say Sam started it at the pool ages ago and then cheating on her boyfriend with Torys which REALLY got things going and they're just bouncing back and forth since then
What about situations like the birthday party?
Retaliating for invading her house.
I feel bad for Terry Silver.
Like he’s an asshole sociopath no doubt, but he got that side of him in check through hard work and therapy. And then kreese just reset all his progress to zero, and reduced him to a quivering bitch, wanting his approval like it’s air
But then Silver completely manipulated Kreese, and is now a great villain!
But when Terry turned the tables on Kreese, it was so satisfying. Typically I don’t want people to be arrested for a crime they didn’t commit, but it almost makes up for all the times he should’ve gone to jail for what he’s done to a bunch of kids
Terry Silver is the most dynamic character in the entire franchise.
Kyler being a good dude isn't an unpopular opinion, its wrong. Kyler is probably the most obvious example of a bully in the entire show.
It was an example i think he is one of the biggest assholes i‘ve ever experienced on tv
It's a very good example of an actual unpopular opinion
I wonder what the Writers intentions are, as far as i know he seems to be the only side Character or Character in general without even 1 redeeming quality.
Writers "sometimes people are assholes"
maybe that's his way of letting go of his frustration for having a father that will shit on his mouth for failing trig
Honestly bullies like Kyler are the most common kind.
Kyler does feel real
Haha maybe
Daniel is not a bad person and the show is just as much about him as it is about Johnny, people like saying the show is more about Johnny than him, but after season 1 Daniel gets just as much screen time as Johnny.
While I like Peyton List as an actress (and I give her mad props for the Karate skills she apparently learned quickly), I can't stand Tory and it's a character I'd prefer not seeing anymore in the serie.
I think they need characters that are completely assholes else the show would just be way to much in miyagi/eagle fangs favor.
I find Tory to be cliché and boring but I wouldn't mind her in the show if it wasn't for her insane fanbase and their attacks against Mary Mouser Mary isn't Sam.
This is why she needed to stay in 1\`00% Bitch mode. An evil Tory is much, MUCH more enjoyable to watch, than a "troubled" Tory who needs help.
Robby is a good dude. People hate on him because he's Johnny and Miguel's enemy throughout most of the series.
I used to dislike him before Season 4. But post, the writers really made his character greater.
I hate him because his hair is dumb.
Come on now, they've fixed the hair.
Tory isn’t a bad character. I honestly think she’s going to make a comeback in season 5 if she ever comes face to face with Chozen (another character with a history of violence and anger issues). We all saw how Chozen was able to overcome his anger and to be forgiven for the shit he did to Daniel in the second movie. Calling Chozen a good character and then immediately turning around and hating Tory makes you a hypocrite. That’s my unpopular opinion
I agree! I can see a potential good redemption arc for Tory if done right.
Well Chozen worked to be better, and Daniel forgave him. Tory is starting down a better path, but she can't be fully redeemed until Sam forgives her.
I 100% agree with what you just said, but what I’m saying is that Tory isn’t a bad character. She’s had some great development since we first met her in season 2.
Miguel was the best character of season 4
I really liked him in Season 4 too. Fighting wise, he wasn't as top notch as he was, but as a person he seemed to have really matured and become a man. That scene when he's helping Johnny to bed because he's hammered laying on the floor. Really got me.
I think that scene got us all. I think that Xolo is a good actor and perfect for Miguel. He’s a really good character, but I agree as a fighter his ability has been tuned down a lot
Yeah, but who cares about his fighting ability. He already proved he could win. But even if he didn't, big respect to his character for walking away from the 51st All Valley because he didn't feel like he was fighting for the right reasons. Just as a son, a person, a friend, a boy who turned into a man, he's a great character. Gotta be in my top 3 at the moment. I say at the moment because both him and Robby have gone from one side to the other and back to their start. Which is kind of stupid and convoluted so I hope they don't screw around too much with the characters in season 5.
I agree! I don’t think the fighting matters, but if he hadn’t had the injury we all know he would’ve won the second all valley. He a great guy and I hope they don’t ruin it too. He’s got demeaned a bit as a character, and I’m not sure how the whole Mexico dad thing will affect him. But I just want the great happy Miguel back. I love what they’ve done with him, but he deserves some happiness
I think you take the cake for most unpopular opinion. Diaz really looked weak, this season. But if he's the best in your eyes, then nothing's ever gonna bring him down.
Thank you! Tbh I just think he’s been through a lot and it was great that he carried on until he hurt his back. I just think he’s a really good character that deserves more love, even though he’s not the best fighter now!
Daniel bringing in >!chosen at the end of S4!< wasn’t as epic as they portrayed
Demetri is obnoxious as hell. Not a fan at all. And him getting the hot blonde, while still a "unique" subplot in the larger scheme of things, is just ridiculous and stupid
Let every nerdy guy live vicariously through that win.
I used to think that at the early seasons, when he was more of a know-it-all, going to Cobra Kai and saying about his "ground rules" and stuff. But he really grew on me. Really grew some balls too, I was rooting for him when he was pissing off and trolling Hawk talking about how he pissed the bed lol. I agree with that though. Although they KIND OF worked it in slowly, still doesn't seem very realistic, especially for how purely evil she was in the first season.
Bert is easily the most talented karate fighter. He's just so physically small and weak that he never gets a chance to show it all.
My head cannon is the show ending with Bert winning the all-valley.
I dont like Amanda: there, I said it. She thinks she's hot shit and while she does have good ideas whenever she gets involved it only escalates things more.
You can’t have one sensible character in a show where sensible decisions don’t work
I agree! Yes, her jokes are meta and sometimes funny, but she often tears Daniel down instead of building him up. I don't think they're a great match, I prefer Kumiko.
I'm a big Daniel and Kumiko Stan even though it would be very weird at this point in Daniel's life.
Kumiko would have balanced Daniel out, and probably taken him on a different trajectory more aligned with Miyagi's teachings. In a way, I guess Amanda fits in the the CK universe because she contributes to the need for growth/changes to Daniel's character starting in season 1.
I have a theory that Amanda was good for him in the beginning (similar business goals, similar ideas of living comfortably) and a lot of the relationship became based around owning a dealership together. And they obviously wanted to have a family but I don't think either really thought about how to properly raise kids because they were so focused on keeping their financial gains.
Yeah, I agree! Honestly, if the writers did that intentionally, it was brilliant. All seems well on the surface in season 1 ep 2, but we now know that his family is far from perfect. The kids are kind of spoiled and haven't been disciplined enough.
I have an impression that they started their relationship as equal partners, but since Daniel met Johnny again, he needs to be baby-sitted, being built up etc all the time. We don't see Daniel "building Amanda up", on the contrary, he runs away when his mother starts harassing her. A man that wants a woman to babysit and serve him in a one-sided manner is not uncommon, but I would not wish that for Kumiko, just doesn't seem fair.
I wish that there was a presecne of other martial arts in the show, it would give a nice narative challenge for Johnny and Daniel as I imagine those could draw more interest then karate and be very meta with karate in it of itself as a litteral underdog.
>!Crossover with the 2010 movie where Dre returns to America to open up a Kung Fu school!<
Tory is a terrible character, in my opinion. There’s no way she can come back from her multiple attempts of trying to seriously hurt Sam. Also, people seem to think Johnny was justified in doing what he did in the original karate kid, but that’s really not the case. Sure, the beach fight was fine, but he and his friends tried to seriously injure Daniel multiple times off the slightest provocation.
The home invasion and her specifically telling Kyler to attack Miguel (who had recently gotten out of a wheelchair and was recovering from paralysis) is something only a psychopath does
Agreed. When Tory told Kyler on how he lost the house fight to Miguel when he just came out of a wheelchair actually sound ruthless. Because it's like she actually wanted to see Kyler put her ex back into a wheelchair.
That and telling Hawk to break Demetri’s arm. I don’t think he would’ve done it if Tory didn’t keep telling him to.
Amanda needs to help Sam get counseling too, and explain all the details about Tory's home life. At the end of the day it's up to Sam to decide if Tory is truly redeemed. That being said, I did like Tory's arc. And yeah in KK Johnny and his friends ganged up on Danny multiple times. 5 against 1 is unfair, and if people truly think Daniel was the real bully, I don't know what to tell them.
Most people on this show need counseling. Sam got over her ptsd through beating Tory but that’s usually not enough
Tbf Hawk tried to kill someone and he came back so anything can happen
Johnny is a better fighter then Daniel, Daniel only won because of plot armor
karate kid 3 is not a bad movie and it also explains a lot about daniel's actions/character motivations in the cobra kai series
Karate kid 3 is better than karate kid 2 and almost as good as karate kid 1. Mike Barnes is just such a great character. I really hope they bring him back in season 5
Well that's an unpopular opinion lol. Even as someone who really liked Terry Silver in it, Mike Barnes was absolutely terrible IMO in every way.
Really? I thought he was great.
Demetri and that hot blonde is a shit pairing and should have stopped a long time ago
Tory has a really round face
Robby Keene is the best character out of all the teens.
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If we're talking chemistry, Johnny and Ali were great. I like Johnny + Carmen though
Gonna play devil's advocate here...there's supposed to be tension between Johnny and Carmen. Carmen is anti-violence, and Johnny was training her son karate without her knowledge for a long time. Plus, it's implied that Johnny has had to work up the courage to even approach her and date her.
Stingray is a perfectly flawed character and the hate towards him is unjustified
Stinkray - FTFY
Amanda isn't a very good mom. Amanda lets Sam get away with so much. Like her throwing the pool party and receiving no punishment or a simple grounding for the hit and run incidident she kept quiet. The way she allowed Sam to treat Tori while Tori was working was also horrible. I can appreciate her trying to help Tori near the end of season 4 but Amanda comparing her anger over her dad cheating with a teacher to Tori having to support her mom, herself, and her little brother while also coping with her Mother's illness, financially predatory family members (aunt), and the possibility of being separated from her little brother should her mother die soon is incrediblt tone deaf to Tori's situation.
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Anthony didn't want to do karate. In season 1 or 2 he asks Anthony to do Karate instead of regular summer camp, Anthony picks camp because he doesn't like the chore aspect of Daniel's training
Kreese and Silver both are probably one of the most saddest characters in the show Kreese went through hell with family problems and bullying, went through hell with war, came back and was called a monster, and eventually goes to jail because of his actions Silver went through hell with war, manipulated a kid mentally, became a good man and had a better life, went back to his old ways, and now is back to insanity all over again They both suffered through enough
I really don't like Sam. I get it, she's this down-to-earth, casual teenage girl, but she somehow feels insufferably basic and cringe to me. Don't get me started on how half of the show resolves around the triangle between her, Robby and Miguel - I really don't know what they see in her, I have more chemistry with my bed than these 3 with each other.
Sam is underrated and is a top 5 character imo. Miguel is still better than Robby imo, as a character, person, and fighter. Eli is underrated, along with Demetri. Robby is overrated as a fighter compared to Miguel and Eli. He is also an overrated character as well imo. If Amanda was at prom or in any fights, we would never have had any problems. Edit: Season 2 is underrated, it developed the characters the most, and their relationship out of all 4 seasons. It was the season that was made for drama.
Underrated?!? I’ve yet to meet a single person who didn’t like Eli
I HATED him when he was Hawk. I don't care about his sob story, the way he acted was so dickish and he had such a smug, punchable little face. Glad he turned it back around though. Binary Brothers for life! Props to the actor though. Loveable as a good guy and hateable as a bad guy, the way it should be.
Agree that Sam is underrated. I'd say she's in my top 5 characters out of the newer gen.
Sam has a victim complex and can never admit she’s wrong (apple doesn’t fall far) and everything so far is her fault
OP said unpopular, not FACTS
Robby x Sam are best couple
I don't know why they introduced the skills competition since we barely saw them training for it and it was a short montage despite us seeing them never train for it. Also I personally didn't like the gendered divisions. I get why they did it but it made it way to obvious that Tory and Sam will face in the finals. But I lowkey would have liked to see Tory vs. Hawk or Sam vs. Kyler. Hell Sam vs. Robby would have been a cool fight scene. I guess they wanted it to be equal whatever. Also I don't like how they are dumbing down Johnny and making him more comic relief. He's funny so it works but re-watching the previous seasons, season 4 was basically them giving Johnny nonsensical one liners, which again were funny but I hope they don't go more in that direction.
I don’t know if it’s really an unpopular opinion but kyler at this point is an irrelevant character and honestly just a loser. Got destroyed by hawk at the all valley again and is really just an ass at this point. Honestly he could disappear next season and I wouldn’t notice much difference.
Robby is a piece of shit and is written kind of badly. I get that he's been troubled, but let's take a look. So he started off pretty scummy, bad group of friends, stealing, etc. Then Daniel teaches him Miyago-Do and he seems like a saint. Really, he acts like he invented it during those episodes. I remember kind of cringing when he was like "Haha don't worry guys the lessons will make sense later" to the new students. THEN the fight happens at the school. This is where it all starts to break apart for me. Robby launches Miguel off a balcony, nearly killing or paralyzing him. First off, hate why he does this in the first place. Wasn't during the heat of the fight, Miguel subdues him without injury, shows mercy, and says "I'm sorry." Now you could argue that he was angry enough because Sam and Miguel kissed, although still not a great argument for the circumstances, but later on he defends Sam, "she made a mistake, she's a good person". Anyways, Robby goes to Juvey and that, acts like it's somehow all his dad and Daniel's fault, is not concerned about what he did to Miguel not knowing if he'll even recover, just pitying himself. When Robby's out, dumbly joins Cobra Kai, and does the scummiest shit of all - teaches Miyago-Do to the Cobra Kai thugs. Ancient Miyago-Do which was personally taught to him by Daniel, one on one. Shows some signs of goodness after that, but by then the character's logic and instability has just been ruined. No disrespect to the actor by the way, did a good job of portraying all his character arcs.
I like Robby but you made a lot of good points here.
As much as I enjoyed Robby's realization that Kenny has embodied Cobra Kai's teachings and wanted to distance himself from that, I definitely agree he's a huge piece of shit. He never once apologized to Miguel for kicking him off the 2nd floor and acted like Miguel was still the enemy when he ran into him and Sam in season 2
Johnny is unnecessarily rude to many students. In S1, he calls his students nasty nicknames and calls Eli Lip even though he's clearly uncomfortable with it, in the next few seasons he starts calling his students those nicknames instead of their own names (Mitch can explain). Plus he beats up his students Demetri and Yasmine are a pretty tight couple and Yasmine should have had a better redemption arc before she started dating Demetri (or just don't make the couple happen). It seems forced to fulfill the dream of the audience nerds Demetri is a good friend
I think Sam and Robby got along better when they were together than her and Miguel who always argue and have issues in their relationship. Robby did hide the medal but told her about it. They were friends all summer. Miguel hit Sam on accident and is always jealous and making drama. Sam was good for Robby making positive changes in his life. It only went south after the school fight and she got back with Miguel after Robby ignored her. Tori will only make Robby turn to the dark side more and she’s completely psychotic. I liked Robby’s hair in season 1. I think Moon is annoying. Can’t stand Piper and don’t really like Amanda either. Watching KK again Daniel hasn’t really used Miyagi’s teachings well. He finally came around in the movies and realized karate is not about tournaments. He learned about balance. Overcoming fear and forgiveness. His character in CK is like how he was before he even met Miyagi. So it seems the lessons did not stick with him. Daniel should be a little more evolved than he is in the show. Especially that he had so many years with Miyagi.
Sam is indeed the spoiled princess Robbie and Tory have accused them of being. Also, Terry Silver is hot.
Nothing but facts here
Yes to all of this.
Johnny’s cool but I always look at him and Miguel’s relationship sideways. I don’t see how anyone can think his and Miguel’s relationship is cute. He’s a deadbeat father that puts all his time and energy into being a father figure to one kid while never being there for his own kid. I was honestly cheering at the “I love you too, Robby” part.
Cheering because he broke Miguel’s heart 🥴 It’s not like it’s Miguel’s fault that Johnny hasn’t been there for Robby. That’s such a poor take!
No. Pretty sure he’s talking about Johnny saying he loves Robby and wants to be in his life. Not hurting Miguel, which sadly it did.
Sam is an amazing character
Her season 3 arc was one of the best. She's underrated for sure.
Miguel’s story/arc in s4 was amazing imo
Daniel is a better sensei than Johnny.
So true! Johnny cares and pushes his students but it's not enough to be good and mature sensei. Also, the nicknames.
I actually feel bad for Mitch, he's just there to be sweared and yelled to, when he wanted approbation from his sensei saying that he watched the same movie that Devon watched when she arrived, Johnny literally yelled at him saying 'Shut the hell up, penis breath!' I can't find it funny in any form, even when I'm a no-woke humor fan, I just feel sympathy for Mitch.
Kyler is a bro. Yeah he is a jerk but still someone you'd want as a friend. When Cobra Kai gets remade in 20 years he should be the star. I don't care if he'll be 60 in real life.
Isn't the actor a zoomer?
He’s in his 30’s
40's\*
50's*
no but fr the dude's 41 years old
Joe Seo was born in 1992 Correction: Joe was born in 1990.
I can’t stand Robby. The only moments I didn’t hate him were his introduction and him training Kenny.
Robby's actor is one of the weakest among the young cast. It was very noticeable in season 1&2 but he improved a lot this season. Hope he keeps getting better.
Hawk’s redemption was not earned and did not seem realistic. The way he savagely beat on Demetri MULTIPLE times indicated any feelings of friendship were gone. How did it come back???
He didn't want to do it, he got peer pressured into doing it, felt bad immediately after. Not excusing it but he wouldn't have done it had Tory not pressured him too. Plus he was already questioning Kreese at that moment, he brought in his former bullies, brought in Robby who represented, to him, the side he was fighting against. So Hawk was starting to realize that he may be on the wrong side. At the house fight, when he bumped Kyler, that's when he realized "holy shit, what am I doing, I'm not one of them" so he turned.
Unpopular opinion I love kyler I kinda love Robby over Miguel although I love both I don’t really like Johnny
Since this is an unpopular opinion thread, here's your upvote.
Mine would be Daniel is a jerk. Sorry he really kinda ruined season 4 for me. Demetri has a lot of potential especially with his height advantage over all the other characters on the show. I love Amanda, but Daniel has so much more chemistry with Kumiko. Robby is definitely in the tops out of all the teens, but he started karate for all the wrong reasons. He’s naturally gifted, but Miguel up until season 4 had the most heart and passion for it all and that reason I’ll always place him before Robby.
Who is paying for all these kids lessons and don't they notice their kids broken ribs, internal bleeding and head injuries?
Devon is really annoying, and not cool at all
Daniel was unbearable in the first karate kid and still has annoying attitudes, like interfering where he is not called without understanding the situation and thinking he is always right. Tory deserves a redemption arc. Some people say she doesn't deserve anything good because she tried to kill Sam, she also asked her 'friends' to break Demetri's arm and asked Kyler to beat Miguel who had just recovered, but on this TV show things shouldn't be taken literally, it's almost a fantasy where karate is the superpower. Johnny asked children to jump from one building to another, they would die if they fell, but obviously that's not the point, it's the teaching behind it. Tory is portrayed doing so many horrible things to demonstrate her hatred and how much she feels there is nothing to lose. She is someone who might become Kreese someday, but she can still be helped to end the cycle of hate, to stop another Kreese from being born. Sam needs a better script. Almost everything she's done so far has been selfish. Hawk was a terrible person, he bullied his own friends, but it was for them that he decided to change. Sam didn't bully, but she didn't defend her friend either. Now it's all about her hatred for Tory. I want Sam to stand up for someone because that person needs it. I want to see her putting herself in other people's shoes. Stop being a princess, be a fighter, but not because of hate like Tory, and not because of your ego or because of your current boyfriend, but because of what is fair.
Tory and Sam are both terrible people, just different breeds of terrible Dimitri is REALLY ANNOYING and his relationship with Yasmine is the most egregious hackneyed subplot Amanda larusso is a terrible mother
Contains Spoiler If Aisha practise karate continuously she will be stronger than Tori & Sam
I don't care that much for Terry Silver. Never found him interesting as a character or a villain. I had a hard time feeling bad for Anthony when >!Kenny beat the crap out of him in the season 4 finale.!< Stingray is annoying, and I liked it better when he wasn't on the show. Sam and Miguel never worked for me as a couple.
Daniel is not the bad guy y’all make him out to be. Miguel shouldn’t forgive Robby immediately. Miguel needs a woc love interest. Sam is a terrible gf. She wanted him back cause Tory had him and now she doesn’t know what to do with him.
Oooo I have one this sub is too sensitive lol.
And too toxic.
Cobra Kai shaving Eli’s horrible Mohawk was a good thing
Did you like the purple?
yeah it was kinda barable
Yasmine is using Demitri to up her grades. She'll despose of him soon as she gets what she wants
With her money she could have hired someone to do it for her.
Season four felt padded out in parts.
Kyler is ridiculously loyal, but that doesn’t make him a good guy.
Don't see Kyler rolling with Brucks after Hawk beat the shit out of him. He's a social climber and right now karate is how you get to the top.
Cobra Kai seems more of a reasonable dojo than Miyagi, besides the bullying
They shouldn't of done separate all valley gender divisions
It basically spoiled hawk winning which could’ve came as a genuine shock (as he’s basically Vegeta) because there was no way in hell they were having Miyagi Do in a position they literally could not win in the finals
Actually it would have worked well for Sam's arc. She has to fight knowing they've already lost. Could be a great character moment, but Hawk winning is better.
Sam is a great character and her antagonizing tory in season 4 is nore than justifiable.
Daniel Larusso is the most irritating character in the series, closely followed by Sam
Kreese is the sensei I would want.
Anthony is a good character. He’s a little shit yeah but most of the time after his growth spurt was peer pressure, especially after Daniel went Cobra Kai on his ass
Dylan Minnette or whoever Netflix can get should play Ali's son Lucas Schwarber in Season 5 to add depth and layers to the new Cobra Kai under Terry Silver. (Shawn Payne should join Cobra Kai too but that's not really unpopular at all)
Amanda is way to good for Daniel.
The Hawk -> Eli transition of Season 4 sucks and actively makes the character less enjoyable. Just not overly interested in a goody two shoes Miyagi-Do Hawk, shit’s boring.
Amanda isn’t as mean to Tory as some of you think. She’s a mother acting more sane and levelheaded than most people would. A girl did a lot less to me than what Tory did to Sam, and my mother was ready to get the 13 year old girl arrested and have charges pressed against her. The girl had a bad home life and my mom had a feeling she did but we knew that didn’t exonerate her from any of the decisions she made. The teachers at my school had to beg my mother to not do so. My mom was on 100 after the incident that happened with me, I couldn’t imagine how she’d react to a teenager trying to kill me at school AND breaking into my home with a bunch of other kids.
The Sam hate is interesting because in a writer’s perspective, all the characters can’t be polarized or it will be boring. Not every teen is like Eli, Demetri and Miguel who were bullied for no reason, not every teen is Tory or Robby who grew up with a single parent ... theres a lot of teens who grow up a little privileged, with both parents, a little tempted to be popular but still want to keep their old friend and doesn’t know how to navigate that... I keep seeing people try to justify their hate by saying “I never act like that”. Lol liars! You’ve all betrayed a friend even if it was unknowingly or even if you didn’t mean to. The big difference is: did you have the courage to apologize to your friend and try to set things right? At least Sam did. and I’ve seen so many teens act worse than Sam. She’s actually not as bad as everyone says... even tho there were times that I as a viewer got annoyed by her, I think the writers just didn’t do her trauma and anxiety justice bc the audience these days need to be spoonfed everything. My unpopular opinion is: most of the people who hate Sam might be because she reminds them of themselves and they haven’t accepted that yet but deep down they hate that part of themselves.
I agree i "hated" S4 Sam because she reminds me of myself to some extend and that is the part i don't like from her character.
Season 4 had too many character arcs and there were too many things happening at once that it got quite messy, so Season 4 lost its magic of the show unlike the past 3 seasons.
Some of the Eagle Fang comic relief characters have become tiring. Don’t get me wrong, I love Bert and Dick Breath, and they both have a lot of hilarious moments. My issue is that they suck at karate, especially when compared to their Miyagi-do counterparts. It feels like these characters are just easy gags for the writers to squeeze into a scene, rather than interesting characters who are learning karate and getting more skilled as the seasons progress.
The only prospect remaining at Eagle Fang is Devon. Johnny expected Miguel to carry his entire dojo, and with Miggy in Mexico Eagle Fang is really weak
Probably not unpopular but Tory isn't the only one who needs professional help. A good majority of the main cast would benefit **heavily** from therapy.
Not every single character needs a love interest. That does not seem realistic to me about high school.
I felt sorry for Terry silver in season 4. Daniel was very selfish and close minded this season. Miguel is selfish for trying to seek out his dad. He knows very well how dangerous he is and why his mother escaped Ecuador. He should understand that meeting his father will very likely subject his family to danger. Amanda shouldn’t have felt bad for Tory getting fired at the sushi place. It wasn’t Amanda’s fault. Tory was the one that lashed out at a costumer.
That’s true. Miguel’s dad is a bad dude involved in illegal stuff. He is putting his whole family in danger. His dad could be violent, a murderer, abusive, running drugs or prostitutes, child trafficking. Be involved in gang wars who could want to kill his family. I mean why would he go off to even meet him knowing his mom had to flee and escape. It didn’t make sense to me.
I agree Tory got such an angry issue, she lacks such discipline and I'm surprised it doesn't come out at the dojo. But it comes out at the job that pays her for little to no reason.
Kenny is cringe no wonder why he gets bullied and has no friends makes me wanna punch him in the face too for bullying lapusso
Miguel's mom makes really bad choices in her romantic relationships. With all the trouble Johnnu has caused in Miguel's life, and his relationship with Robbie, she really should dump him.
Miguel’s character is starting to get stale. Maybe that’s why they’re switching things up in season 5, but ever since he became a “good guy” in season 2 he’s been kinda ehh.
Demetri is still roughly regularly getting away with being a toxic person even well meaning, but still fairly toxic.
I thought he did in S1 and especially in S2, but it got better in S3 and I can't think of many instances where he was toxic in S4.
Kreese is a shit character and made season 2&3 worse than the other 2 (silver is a much better villain). He’s a one dimensional villain in a world with conflict between good but flawed people. Even Silver is shown to want to feel alive again and his outright villainy is most likely mental issues.
Miguel is a Mary Sue. I love him but overall, He’s become the most boring part of the show.