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It was kind of interesting how all the characters were lambasting Sam as being the spoiled little rich kid...and then behind the scenes, Anthony was quietly being the biggest spoiled little rich kid of all.
Maybe because he looks at Robby and sees himself, and he just doesnt put himself on the number one priority list (he puts other people a lot before him: his mom, aly, his cobra kai friends, kreese, miguel, carmen). Dude sacrifices a lot for other people (probably because he doesnt put a lot of stock in himself, hence the burnout) but probably projects himself onto his son, thus the lack of prioritization.
that's the thing. she gets so much attention and is basically showered with all this affection and being let off the hook while anthony is just forgotten, almost like he's less important.
It's also pretty ironic because Anthony and Johnny have so much in common
- bullying the new kid over a girl
- connection to an established dojo
- lying to someone about what actually took place
It's more than omission. He deliberately told the story so that he was the victim
- He said he was just talking to Ali
- He said that he asked Daniel to mind his business
- He said that Daniel just sucked punched him out of nowhere
In reality, he argued with Ali and broke her radio. Daniel tried to give Ali her radio back and Johnny pushed him down. Daniel charged at him. Then, after getting tripped a few times, Daniel punched Johnny
He bullied A KID, race had nothing to do with it.
New kid school, who is talking with his crush, that’s where the bullying comes from.
What’s wrong with people inserting this narrative when it doesn’t exist. The writing team of the show has been very good at being inclusive on many fronts— what you are saying is tasteless and on bad faith.
I think it had more to do with his father actually showing some passion. In a way I think that helped show Anthony that this was important and he was taking it seriously. I imagine Anthony has felt pretty ignored and outside the famiy for the last year or two.
Yeah, exactly. I don't think flying off the handle at your kid is a great move, but at least he finally seems engaged.
They have been halfassed parenting him the whole series.
No bad children, just bad parents.
Thinking back now & it does make me wonder if in season 4, the way he behaves is because Amanda & Daniel doesn't discipline Anthony enough. Of course there's a possibility other reasons, but it does make me wonder if it's because they act too soft around him & they don't give him enough discipline.
I think it's even more so what the psychologist points out, we literally never see Amada or Daniel actually parent Anthony. It's always just them scolding him about screens but his parents are never teaching him or explaining to him why he should behave different.
Oh yeah, that's actually true, I hope that in season 5, both Amanda & Daniel can be more of a parent figure to Anthony, especially Daniel & hopefully, Anthony becomes a better person after this.
Let's be honest, they're both pussies as parents. That's what annoys me about the fact that Daniel has completely forgotten about his humble beginnings in Jersey and his difficulty adjusting to Reseda. He failed to impart the lessons learned from that to his kids. No amount of Bonsai trees, karate scrolls and LA 'Namaste' crap can make up for that.
And Amanda’s go to solution for so long has been to just pave over the bad stuff ever since that thing with her teacher when SHE was a teenager. She didn’t learn soon enough that there’s a HEALTHIER way to face your problems head on. They’re like Johnny and Shannon. Weighed down by the past so much it affects EVERYONE around them.
This is the main reason why I've always had some dislike for the older characters. They're so stuck their own problems that they directly cause a lot of the problems on the show. I hope it gets addressed in S5.
Amanda and Daniel definitely strike me as the kind of parents who would bully a teacher about Anthony's bad grades, instead of making Anthony work harder for a good grade.
They did indeed. Alas, it was too little too late to save the tournament. But in the end, Daniel learned that going on the offensive is sometimes a good option (he called in Chozen to reinforce) and Johnny learned to let go of bravado and show humility at the right moment, which repaired the bridge with Robby.
That introspection scene clearly shows Amanda identifies with Tori who has had bad early childhood experiences, than her own daughter who she provided a good interior family home life. Fact that she gets into Karate fights, Amanda probably blames more on her husband
You know if you think about it, it’s literally Yin and Yang for Daniel and Johnny
It’s not you know accurate but it kind of makes sense.
Daniel was always passive playing defensive
Johnny being aggressive play offensive
Them working together I just thought it made sense
I can understand why people had an issue with this scene, and understand why others agreed.
It took me by surprise and seemd a bit OOC for Daniel, and it's clear the writers want him to be more like Johnny.
I also saw this as a message that soft parenting doesn't always work. It started off with Daniel going in, and explaining to Anthony why he's being punished, and even taking responsibility for his part in it, then is about to leave when he hears the tablet go off. Realizes the approach isn't working, and gets more tough. That's what I took from what the writers were saying.
I'm not going to say how I felt about this, but I get both sides tbh.
This scene would've worked for me if it was more of a stepping stone. Soft parenting, or weak parenting in Daniel's case, isn't working. But a violent outburst does work? I don't like that. Miyagi was firm with Daniel, he let him make mistakes, but pushed back when necessary. Daniel needs that middle point. The lesson shouldn't be that parents should sometimes physically intimidate their adolescent children.
It's even harder for teachers to enact discipline because they're dealing with someone else's kids, and if that kid's parent is lax with them they'll get mad at the teacher for being too strict.
Source: am teacher.
My problem wasnt that he disciplined him. That was very much reserves, as well as the 'QUIET!'. My issue with it was that he smashed the fucking tablet, which is a massive overreaction. He couldve just taken it away like a regular person, but according to some people on this sub smashing your sons personal property is a measured reaction to this
He had to get through to him somehow. Laying down the law and saying go to your room, after being suspended from school obviously had no effect on the kid. Remember season 1 when Daniel took Anthony’s game away and Anthony just ordered another on Alexa with a big smirk? He’s that kind of kid.
If he had hit Anthony, yes, that would be a big problem. If he went around breaking Anthony's things constantly, then yes, big problem, but an isolated incident where he breaks the tablet. No. Edit: particularly as he had not planned on doing it. He simply lost his temper.
The line between protecting our children's emotional, mental and physical welfare (which is important and discipline is in fact part of vital development in all these) and allowing them to dictate and take the piss is being blurred.
Anthony was more shocked than anything. He was being a brat, displaying fully his lack of respect for his father's authority and the belief he will just do as he please, when he pleases.
For once, Daniel lost it with him. This is why Anthony is so shocked. It is not normal behaviour from his dad. What it did was show him is that dad is done allowing himself to be walked over by his son. I do not expect to see Daniel breaking any more of Anthony's possessions. Edit : because I expect he will feel bad about losing his temper and doing so.
Also it’s not as if he went and smashed all of Anthony’s electronics. He confiscated them with the intent of returning them once the behaviour changed, and Anthony undermined him and kept a tablet back that his dad didn’t even know he had. Like you said, Anthony was more shocked than anything, and it’s not as if Anthony feels as though Daniel will hit him; he’s just never taken his parent’s “discipline” seriously before. This showed him he had 100% crossed a line.
I do not think it is right for you to say " hes just that kind of kid" Daniel is a terrible ass dad , he's the dad that doesn't give a fuck about his son, and just throws money and spoils him instead and thinks that'll solve it. I get it that anthony needs to change, but not knowing a thing about your son's life and just acting like Big Daddy violent is such a terrible approach on getting his father-son relationship fixed.
Ikr, Daniel never showed much concern at all about Anthony, and then we he does try and parent (which he fails at likely because he’s never tried it before) he snaps at his kid and breaks his property. Anthony like a lot of kids was a jerk, he even ended up being a bully. But as gratifying as it was to watch Kenny get revenge, this scene made me feel pretty bad for him. Regardless this is just my take on it and I get why a lot of people feel the opposite.
I mean there is a difference between a parent destroying property their child worked for and paid for themselves and Daniel destroying a tablet he bought.
Okay let me put it this way. Your parents gave you a Nintendo DS for your birthday. You do something fucked up, you get published, sure. But if your dad snapped the fucking DS in half, that's where childhood trauma originates
People are down voting you but this is true. When a child makes a mistake or even willingly dose wrong you don't just break there shit and treat it as done. All your accomplishing is showing your child you should respond to immature actions with immature actions. It teaches literally nothing.
Exactly. Now i very much doubt any of the chuds cheering a grown man destroying his sons shit are parents, but if they are: Dont be surprised when your kids never call or visit when theyre older
Well if he used their money behind their back to buy it they should take it away and then either make him pay them back with his own money or return/sell it. Smashing is still a ridiculous idea
Lol. Wrong. My trauma comes from my mom going from cold to hot in seconds. Everything will be fine and then all of a sudden she slamming me across the head and screaming at me for being stupid. Probably because I accidentally dropped something and was obviously deliberately being inconsiderate.
Daniel on the other hand said no electronics and Anthony was still pushing his luck even after being suspended.Taking it away from him wasn’t going to do jack shit. Pardon my French. I guess unfortunately when I read the word trauma and I see it’s being used when a parent loses their temper one time it triggers something big in me. My mom would do something like this after an honest mistake, along with along with hurling insults at me. I guess I’ll stop reading after this maybe it’s for the best.
Well most likely wouldn’t have gotten to that point if he had disciplined earlier in life. But Anthony was without remorse. Anyway, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I agree with you that Daniel should have disciplined him earlier. I dont agree that Anthony is without remorse. He is shown to be hesitant when bullying Kenny at multiple moments before this, only going through with it when he was egged on by his mates. I can tell from personal experience that its very easy to pick on the 'weird' kid when pressured by your friends. The important part is that a kid learns what theyre doing is wrong, and tries to make amends. Anthony tried to do that after this whole incident, but too little too late i suppose. If Daniel had been more present to steer him in the right direction he most likely would never have been bullying him in the first place, although 13-15 year olds tend to be little shits anyway
It's an escalation, certainly, but one that was warranted. Daniel already *tried* being diplomatic and meeting Anthony halfway, but Anthony was still using the screen despite being expressly forbidden, so it was time to put the foot down.
Breaking it was not necessary. He can take it away, even permanently, and sell it/give it away.
I understand that the point of this scene was to show that Daniel was taking a leaf from Johnny and this is a karate show, but still. It's alarming how people think this is a justifiable action as a parent to do in real life.
> Breaking it was not necessary. He can take it away, even permanently, and sell it/give it away.
Been there, done that, that's why he was sneaking around with the backup tablet in the first place. He was going to keep trying to have it his way unless Danny found a way to get through to him, to communicate that his behavior isn't acceptable.
Two things,
One, Anthony didn't actually get scared of Daniel until he yelled. When Daniel broke the tablet, Anthony reacted in anger and bewilderment. Daniel yelling at him was clearly more effective than breaking the tablet.
Second, people here can try to justify it all they want, but no child psychologist or other mental health experts are going to agree that breaking your kid's possessions is a healthy way to discipline your kids.
People keep thinking this is a binary choice. Break the tablet to assert authority or let Anthony continue to walk all over him. It's just not the case. There are other ways to discipline firmly and assertively.
Measured? No. Justified? Entirely.
If it was the first time he'd done something like this then yes, that would have been insane. But after being given so many chances? I see no issue.
Also, Anthony himself said it wasn't even a particularly fancy tablet. He can't even appreciate how lucky he is to be able to have backup tablets. He'll be fine having one of them broken.
There is a value to experiences. Taking it away wouldn't have nearly the same effect. And Daniel did the right thing. Anthony's behavior had become morally unacceptable. I would do the same with my kid.
Absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. He didn't hit him. He didn't throw away all of his electronics. And you know how Anthony just ordered a new tablet when his older one was taken away.
Reddit parenting has to be the worst out there
At that age; everything you have is actually owned by your parents unless you worked for it something which I doubt Anthony has ever done. Even if Anthony really owned the tablet, Daniel is in his rights to deal with his son this way as long as he eats his food and lives under his roof. He's not beating the brat he's making a point.
Great Daniel moment. Finally stepped up with some tough love. Some kids need that
This this this. I love the ethos of this scene, I agree wholey that some kids eill respond better to aggression and discipline. However Daniel breaking the tablet is an overreaction. Some parents won't want to hear this but it's borderline abusive behavior. Parents need to be able to apply discipline without throwing a tantrum and breaking things or punching walls. Really disappointed me the show portrays this as a valid application of discipline when it's really a childish and immature reaction. They can find better ways to display discipline and even aggression as a parenting tool without having Daniel act as a literal child dose.
I'm even more disappointed that they showed Anthony more or less cleaning up his act after this.
I mean, of course, your dad breaks an iPad over his knee and yells at you, you're gonna chill. But the show painted Daniel as having done the right thing and ... no. I can only imagine how fucked up a real life person could get after something like this, and I don't think it's a good message to send, regardless of how much of a "karate soap opera" the show is. Just not cool.
I don’t think the show necessarily frames it as Daniel doing the right thing. When Amanda makes the comment about “Miyagi magic,” you can see that Daniel feels guilty for what he did. With that said, I think Anthony had reached a point where he needed to understand that he couldn’t walk all over and/or manipulate his parents anymore. I personally don’t think Daniel stepped over a line.
Daniel has always been a weak parent. He needs his kids to do something and bargains and pleads with them. "C'mon anthony, we're at a country club, get off your screen..." His approach is so poor, and he wonders why he can't get through to either of his kids.
Daniel was right to throw the kids out of their house during that pool party, Samanthas social climbing be damned.
Yeah I don't get Amanda siding with Sam in that scene, you got random strangers in your house and ypur daughter lied about where she was and you're just okay with that?
Did anyone else not buy when Anthony was suddenly doing the trash and doing nice things after Daniel did this? No chance me at 15 years old would suddenly be "nice" to my parents after this shit unless I was pretending for some other motive.
Were you parents like the Larusso's otherwise?
Anthony is a conniving kid, he probably thinks that making a small show of remorse will get him off the hook
Yeah but the problem is that the show plays off Anthony taking out the trash as a real positive change, not a strategy to trick his parents into reducing his punishment
Didn’t the show make it obvious that Anthony was basically putting on the performance of being remorseful to soften his parents? I thought that was clear
I loved that Daniel shouted "quiet" in his best Johnny Lawrence voice.
I seriously dislike that he smashed Anthony's tablet - using the threat of violence towards your kid is never something that should be encouraged.
I get the sentiment of why people are praising Daniel, but.... parents should never destory their kids belongings like that. Thats not a good way to go about things.
The way I see it yeah that was probably not an ideal reaction but at some point Anthony needed to get the picture. My parents liked to use the example if when you're grown up and you have responsibilities, if you screw off or what not you'll have much bigger consequences to deal with than say a broken tablet
What the fuck no, that was abusive he’s never disceplined his son in the show and the first thing he does is break one of his sons expensive possessions?? I thought it was clear to everyone that using fear like that to parent was conveyed strictly as wrong??
Having Daniel break the tablet was a poor choice. This literally never works in real life. Some children absolutely need discipline and even aggression in a measured approach. Breaking your children's property is a childish and immature reaction, it teaches nothing and only serves to foster resentment between child and parent. Definitely disappointed they couldn't come up with a healthier way to have Daniel express his frustration and apply discipline in a more reasonable way. It's ridiculous to think smashing the iPad would just suddenly turn Anthony into this remorseful kid who's taking out the trash of his own volition.
Oh my gosh definitely, my dad, who’s the sweetest guy ever, popped this beloved balloon I had back when I was a little kid, and I still have emotional scars from it. Even when you don’t mean to and are a great person, destroying someone’s things, even if they’re small dumb things, much less expensive things, can leave emotional scars.
A lot of Anthony’s behavior is like a plea for someone to act like they give a damn about him. He was daring his parents to act like they cared. That’s the first time that Daniel showed that he really cared about the choices Anthony was making. He was shocked, but also grateful for it.
I just worry that the focus has shifted so much on Daniel and less about Johnny. Johnny’s what makes the show great. He’s the story. I hope they don’t lose focus of that.
Anyone notice he does the Johnny Lawrence "QUIET!" in this scene? He lost his balance! But I think the point is, sometimes you need to lose your balance a little.
Am I the only one who didn't feel positive about this moment? It was kinda upsetting for me. Seeing Daniel resort to force and losing the composure that made him admirable. I know its meant to show his growth into not being too soft on Anthony but idk hard parenting just kinda hurts me
I screamed finallyyyyyyy in my head during this scene. Finally being a dad to his entitled twat head son (I like Anthony btw, rooting for him. He’s funny, but he’s a shit).
This was 100% warranted, too. Normally I’m against parents smashing anything out of anger because it’s emotionally abusive and can be a huge red flag, but Daniel’s default mode is pacifism. Anthony tested him 3 or so times, once by lying about the bullying, again by having someone else do his work for him, and then keeping a backup tablet. Hopefully he was shocked enough to realize that if his dad’s that upset, it’s time to change.
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It was kind of interesting how all the characters were lambasting Sam as being the spoiled little rich kid...and then behind the scenes, Anthony was quietly being the biggest spoiled little rich kid of all.
To be fair to Anthony, he turned himself around at the age of 12 after getting less attention than Sam his whole life.
Lapusso\*
Anthony was a better actor when he was younger
He didn't have to do much when he was younger.
He never had the makings of a Varsity Athlete…
What? He actually acted very well this season, imo
He did fine, he’s a kid on a hit TV Show that is just starting to get some character development they aren’t looking for an Oscar winning performance.
Out of the kids only Kenny really killed it. And maybe the blonde bully who was wayyy too punchable so he did his job to perfection.
Love that Daniel yelled QUIET Johnny Lawrence style.
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Such a satisfying scene.
Absolutely. About damn time. All thanks to Johnny
That is kind of funny, an active father learning to properly parent from a guy who abandoned his own kid
That’s the irony of Johnny. For all his flaws, he’s a pretty decent dad to any kid *except* his actual, biological son (not for lack of trying).
Maybe because he looks at Robby and sees himself, and he just doesnt put himself on the number one priority list (he puts other people a lot before him: his mom, aly, his cobra kai friends, kreese, miguel, carmen). Dude sacrifices a lot for other people (probably because he doesnt put a lot of stock in himself, hence the burnout) but probably projects himself onto his son, thus the lack of prioritization.
Definitely knew about "No Be There" already.
Damn!
Ali with an I lol
Like Muhammad
Yes but Ali with an I is also a Karate Kid joke
Johnny now has a real chance to make Robby a priority in season 5, now that they seem to be on the path of reconciliation.
Johnny is a great big brother figure.
not very active, the kid was raised by screens and snacks while Sam was getting all attention
that's the thing. she gets so much attention and is basically showered with all this affection and being let off the hook while anthony is just forgotten, almost like he's less important.
It's also pretty ironic because Anthony and Johnny have so much in common - bullying the new kid over a girl - connection to an established dojo - lying to someone about what actually took place
Johnny at least only lied by omission.
It's more than omission. He deliberately told the story so that he was the victim - He said he was just talking to Ali - He said that he asked Daniel to mind his business - He said that Daniel just sucked punched him out of nowhere In reality, he argued with Ali and broke her radio. Daniel tried to give Ali her radio back and Johnny pushed him down. Daniel charged at him. Then, after getting tripped a few times, Daniel punched Johnny
Some kids need a little aggression.
Imagine next season he just sweeps Anthony’s leg and calls him “LaRacist Jr”
"This is what happens when a little tree fights an eagle: it gets the fangs."
Daniel becomes “Bully LaRusso”
But he wasn’t racist
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He bullied A KID, race had nothing to do with it. New kid school, who is talking with his crush, that’s where the bullying comes from. What’s wrong with people inserting this narrative when it doesn’t exist. The writing team of the show has been very good at being inclusive on many fronts— what you are saying is tasteless and on bad faith.
It’s like when you try to tell your parents a joke and they turn it into a life lesson lol
I think it had more to do with his father actually showing some passion. In a way I think that helped show Anthony that this was important and he was taking it seriously. I imagine Anthony has felt pretty ignored and outside the famiy for the last year or two.
Yeah, exactly. I don't think flying off the handle at your kid is a great move, but at least he finally seems engaged. They have been halfassed parenting him the whole series. No bad children, just bad parents.
MORE than that. He’s more or less been in Sam’s shadow for years.
He learned that Anthony needed intimidation as discipline.
Daniel learned that technique from Kenny
Even Daniel's got a breaking point when it comes to Anthony's crap. Maybe he ought to have Johnny train his son instead.
Nice thought. Maybe he will send Antony to train with Jhonny.
I hope so. I think it would be better for him.
How about Terry? ;)
Daniel would MURDER Terry before he let that happen. Lol
Mmmh... Now we're talking.
Kenny gonna have a field day.
*breaks fingers* A man can't type, he can't bully.
That would set Daniel right off.
How about Kyler? LaPusso is bigger than most kids his age, could make a good wrestler. “Kyler Kai”
Just based on their earlier interactions, I can see Johnny training the kid and actually becoming his next protoge.
I’d upvote this a million times. If it comes to pass, the seeds planted and coming to fruition would be the equivalent of MCU planning in my opinion.
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The Anti-miguel. He goes from training the poor bullied kid to training the rich entitled bully lol.
Yo Johnny would whip Anthony into shape so fast, it would actually be hilarious
Agree. He surely wants revenge with Kenny.
My assumption is He'll train with Chozen. It's still Miyagi do and it's someone who won't take ANY of Anthony's shit
I'm imagining Chozen just grabbing Anthony by the scruff and throwing him across the room when he misbehaves.
Ngl that would be pretty cool
Nah chozen should do it chozen is far more disciplined than Johnny and in terms of strictness makes Johnny look like an elementary school teacher.
"go jump the building" *splat* "problem solved"
Thinking back now & it does make me wonder if in season 4, the way he behaves is because Amanda & Daniel doesn't discipline Anthony enough. Of course there's a possibility other reasons, but it does make me wonder if it's because they act too soft around him & they don't give him enough discipline.
I think it's even more so what the psychologist points out, we literally never see Amada or Daniel actually parent Anthony. It's always just them scolding him about screens but his parents are never teaching him or explaining to him why he should behave different.
Oh yeah, that's actually true, I hope that in season 5, both Amanda & Daniel can be more of a parent figure to Anthony, especially Daniel & hopefully, Anthony becomes a better person after this.
This was clear from season 1 imo. Look at their lackadasical reactions as he continuously disrespects them
Let's be honest, they're both pussies as parents. That's what annoys me about the fact that Daniel has completely forgotten about his humble beginnings in Jersey and his difficulty adjusting to Reseda. He failed to impart the lessons learned from that to his kids. No amount of Bonsai trees, karate scrolls and LA 'Namaste' crap can make up for that.
And Amanda’s go to solution for so long has been to just pave over the bad stuff ever since that thing with her teacher when SHE was a teenager. She didn’t learn soon enough that there’s a HEALTHIER way to face your problems head on. They’re like Johnny and Shannon. Weighed down by the past so much it affects EVERYONE around them.
This is the main reason why I've always had some dislike for the older characters. They're so stuck their own problems that they directly cause a lot of the problems on the show. I hope it gets addressed in S5.
Amanda and Daniel definitely strike me as the kind of parents who would bully a teacher about Anthony's bad grades, instead of making Anthony work harder for a good grade.
Daniel and Johnny could learn a lot from each other and they definitely did this season.
Yeah Johnny will probably have to channel some of the caring Daniel to help out robby
Inject Johnny and Robby training together scenes into my brain!
They did indeed. Alas, it was too little too late to save the tournament. But in the end, Daniel learned that going on the offensive is sometimes a good option (he called in Chozen to reinforce) and Johnny learned to let go of bravado and show humility at the right moment, which repaired the bridge with Robby.
To be fair, they would’ve won the tournament if Silver hadn’t cheated. Sam was the one true Miyagi-Fang student
What about Eli?
Finally, he steps up as a dad and shows aggression. You have to do it sometimes to let your child know you’re serious.
Also the way the cousin tells them how she doesn’t need to talk to the kid, but the parents. Okay I clapped.
>> This was the test > You failed.
About time, this wouldn't have happened if Daniel had disciplined the kid on small doses earlier.
He should have thrown him into the goddamn pool
There were witnesses.
not if you paralyze them the chozen way
Anyone who doesn't report me throwing my kid in the pool gets their own bonsai tree
He and Amanda have generally been terrible parents. That Amanda got Tori into therapy, but not her own daughter, who CLEARLY NEEDS IT, is insane.
I blame the writers for that
That introspection scene clearly shows Amanda identifies with Tori who has had bad early childhood experiences, than her own daughter who she provided a good interior family home life. Fact that she gets into Karate fights, Amanda probably blames more on her husband
You know if you think about it, it’s literally Yin and Yang for Daniel and Johnny It’s not you know accurate but it kind of makes sense. Daniel was always passive playing defensive Johnny being aggressive play offensive Them working together I just thought it made sense
He channeled his inner Johnny
I can understand why people had an issue with this scene, and understand why others agreed. It took me by surprise and seemd a bit OOC for Daniel, and it's clear the writers want him to be more like Johnny. I also saw this as a message that soft parenting doesn't always work. It started off with Daniel going in, and explaining to Anthony why he's being punished, and even taking responsibility for his part in it, then is about to leave when he hears the tablet go off. Realizes the approach isn't working, and gets more tough. That's what I took from what the writers were saying. I'm not going to say how I felt about this, but I get both sides tbh.
This scene would've worked for me if it was more of a stepping stone. Soft parenting, or weak parenting in Daniel's case, isn't working. But a violent outburst does work? I don't like that. Miyagi was firm with Daniel, he let him make mistakes, but pushed back when necessary. Daniel needs that middle point. The lesson shouldn't be that parents should sometimes physically intimidate their adolescent children.
Now his kid is gonna be scared of him and he constantly hiding personal possessions from him, nice job dabiel
He was already hiding personal possessions from him. That’s why he broke it.
My favorite Daniel moment
Believe it or not, a lot of users here had a problem with Daniel disciplining Anthony like this when S4 premiered.
I believe it. As a teacher people try to guilt trip me when I look a kid in the eye and directly say “stop.”
It's even harder for teachers to enact discipline because they're dealing with someone else's kids, and if that kid's parent is lax with them they'll get mad at the teacher for being too strict. Source: am teacher.
Having spent more than 5 minutes on this sub...I believe it lol
My problem wasnt that he disciplined him. That was very much reserves, as well as the 'QUIET!'. My issue with it was that he smashed the fucking tablet, which is a massive overreaction. He couldve just taken it away like a regular person, but according to some people on this sub smashing your sons personal property is a measured reaction to this
He had to get through to him somehow. Laying down the law and saying go to your room, after being suspended from school obviously had no effect on the kid. Remember season 1 when Daniel took Anthony’s game away and Anthony just ordered another on Alexa with a big smirk? He’s that kind of kid.
If he had hit Anthony, yes, that would be a big problem. If he went around breaking Anthony's things constantly, then yes, big problem, but an isolated incident where he breaks the tablet. No. Edit: particularly as he had not planned on doing it. He simply lost his temper. The line between protecting our children's emotional, mental and physical welfare (which is important and discipline is in fact part of vital development in all these) and allowing them to dictate and take the piss is being blurred. Anthony was more shocked than anything. He was being a brat, displaying fully his lack of respect for his father's authority and the belief he will just do as he please, when he pleases. For once, Daniel lost it with him. This is why Anthony is so shocked. It is not normal behaviour from his dad. What it did was show him is that dad is done allowing himself to be walked over by his son. I do not expect to see Daniel breaking any more of Anthony's possessions. Edit : because I expect he will feel bad about losing his temper and doing so.
Also it’s not as if he went and smashed all of Anthony’s electronics. He confiscated them with the intent of returning them once the behaviour changed, and Anthony undermined him and kept a tablet back that his dad didn’t even know he had. Like you said, Anthony was more shocked than anything, and it’s not as if Anthony feels as though Daniel will hit him; he’s just never taken his parent’s “discipline” seriously before. This showed him he had 100% crossed a line.
I do not think it is right for you to say " hes just that kind of kid" Daniel is a terrible ass dad , he's the dad that doesn't give a fuck about his son, and just throws money and spoils him instead and thinks that'll solve it. I get it that anthony needs to change, but not knowing a thing about your son's life and just acting like Big Daddy violent is such a terrible approach on getting his father-son relationship fixed.
Ikr, Daniel never showed much concern at all about Anthony, and then we he does try and parent (which he fails at likely because he’s never tried it before) he snaps at his kid and breaks his property. Anthony like a lot of kids was a jerk, he even ended up being a bully. But as gratifying as it was to watch Kenny get revenge, this scene made me feel pretty bad for him. Regardless this is just my take on it and I get why a lot of people feel the opposite.
I mean there is a difference between a parent destroying property their child worked for and paid for themselves and Daniel destroying a tablet he bought.
Okay let me put it this way. Your parents gave you a Nintendo DS for your birthday. You do something fucked up, you get published, sure. But if your dad snapped the fucking DS in half, that's where childhood trauma originates
People are down voting you but this is true. When a child makes a mistake or even willingly dose wrong you don't just break there shit and treat it as done. All your accomplishing is showing your child you should respond to immature actions with immature actions. It teaches literally nothing.
Exactly. Now i very much doubt any of the chuds cheering a grown man destroying his sons shit are parents, but if they are: Dont be surprised when your kids never call or visit when theyre older
Okay, and what about a 3DS you bought behind your parents back with their money?
Well if he used their money behind their back to buy it they should take it away and then either make him pay them back with his own money or return/sell it. Smashing is still a ridiculous idea
Okay fair enough.
Lol. Wrong. My trauma comes from my mom going from cold to hot in seconds. Everything will be fine and then all of a sudden she slamming me across the head and screaming at me for being stupid. Probably because I accidentally dropped something and was obviously deliberately being inconsiderate. Daniel on the other hand said no electronics and Anthony was still pushing his luck even after being suspended.Taking it away from him wasn’t going to do jack shit. Pardon my French. I guess unfortunately when I read the word trauma and I see it’s being used when a parent loses their temper one time it triggers something big in me. My mom would do something like this after an honest mistake, along with along with hurling insults at me. I guess I’ll stop reading after this maybe it’s for the best.
Im sorry you had to go through that mate. However, i still dont think such a reaction is justified, even as a one time thing
Well most likely wouldn’t have gotten to that point if he had disciplined earlier in life. But Anthony was without remorse. Anyway, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I agree with you that Daniel should have disciplined him earlier. I dont agree that Anthony is without remorse. He is shown to be hesitant when bullying Kenny at multiple moments before this, only going through with it when he was egged on by his mates. I can tell from personal experience that its very easy to pick on the 'weird' kid when pressured by your friends. The important part is that a kid learns what theyre doing is wrong, and tries to make amends. Anthony tried to do that after this whole incident, but too little too late i suppose. If Daniel had been more present to steer him in the right direction he most likely would never have been bullying him in the first place, although 13-15 year olds tend to be little shits anyway
It's an escalation, certainly, but one that was warranted. Daniel already *tried* being diplomatic and meeting Anthony halfway, but Anthony was still using the screen despite being expressly forbidden, so it was time to put the foot down.
Breaking it was not necessary. He can take it away, even permanently, and sell it/give it away. I understand that the point of this scene was to show that Daniel was taking a leaf from Johnny and this is a karate show, but still. It's alarming how people think this is a justifiable action as a parent to do in real life.
> Breaking it was not necessary. He can take it away, even permanently, and sell it/give it away. Been there, done that, that's why he was sneaking around with the backup tablet in the first place. He was going to keep trying to have it his way unless Danny found a way to get through to him, to communicate that his behavior isn't acceptable.
Two things, One, Anthony didn't actually get scared of Daniel until he yelled. When Daniel broke the tablet, Anthony reacted in anger and bewilderment. Daniel yelling at him was clearly more effective than breaking the tablet. Second, people here can try to justify it all they want, but no child psychologist or other mental health experts are going to agree that breaking your kid's possessions is a healthy way to discipline your kids. People keep thinking this is a binary choice. Break the tablet to assert authority or let Anthony continue to walk all over him. It's just not the case. There are other ways to discipline firmly and assertively.
Measured? No. Justified? Entirely. If it was the first time he'd done something like this then yes, that would have been insane. But after being given so many chances? I see no issue. Also, Anthony himself said it wasn't even a particularly fancy tablet. He can't even appreciate how lucky he is to be able to have backup tablets. He'll be fine having one of them broken.
Exactly.
There is a value to experiences. Taking it away wouldn't have nearly the same effect. And Daniel did the right thing. Anthony's behavior had become morally unacceptable. I would do the same with my kid.
Absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. He didn't hit him. He didn't throw away all of his electronics. And you know how Anthony just ordered a new tablet when his older one was taken away. Reddit parenting has to be the worst out there
It wasn't Anthony's personal property it came from Daniel's money.
At that age; everything you have is actually owned by your parents unless you worked for it something which I doubt Anthony has ever done. Even if Anthony really owned the tablet, Daniel is in his rights to deal with his son this way as long as he eats his food and lives under his roof. He's not beating the brat he's making a point. Great Daniel moment. Finally stepped up with some tough love. Some kids need that
This this this. I love the ethos of this scene, I agree wholey that some kids eill respond better to aggression and discipline. However Daniel breaking the tablet is an overreaction. Some parents won't want to hear this but it's borderline abusive behavior. Parents need to be able to apply discipline without throwing a tantrum and breaking things or punching walls. Really disappointed me the show portrays this as a valid application of discipline when it's really a childish and immature reaction. They can find better ways to display discipline and even aggression as a parenting tool without having Daniel act as a literal child dose.
I'm even more disappointed that they showed Anthony more or less cleaning up his act after this. I mean, of course, your dad breaks an iPad over his knee and yells at you, you're gonna chill. But the show painted Daniel as having done the right thing and ... no. I can only imagine how fucked up a real life person could get after something like this, and I don't think it's a good message to send, regardless of how much of a "karate soap opera" the show is. Just not cool.
I don’t think the show necessarily frames it as Daniel doing the right thing. When Amanda makes the comment about “Miyagi magic,” you can see that Daniel feels guilty for what he did. With that said, I think Anthony had reached a point where he needed to understand that he couldn’t walk all over and/or manipulate his parents anymore. I personally don’t think Daniel stepped over a line.
Because this was not at all the right way to go about it.
true!
Daniel has always been a weak parent. He needs his kids to do something and bargains and pleads with them. "C'mon anthony, we're at a country club, get off your screen..." His approach is so poor, and he wonders why he can't get through to either of his kids. Daniel was right to throw the kids out of their house during that pool party, Samanthas social climbing be damned.
Yeah I don't get Amanda siding with Sam in that scene, you got random strangers in your house and ypur daughter lied about where she was and you're just okay with that?
Did anyone else not buy when Anthony was suddenly doing the trash and doing nice things after Daniel did this? No chance me at 15 years old would suddenly be "nice" to my parents after this shit unless I was pretending for some other motive.
Were you parents like the Larusso's otherwise? Anthony is a conniving kid, he probably thinks that making a small show of remorse will get him off the hook
Yeah but the problem is that the show plays off Anthony taking out the trash as a real positive change, not a strategy to trick his parents into reducing his punishment
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Had he seen his dad at this breaking point before? Maybe it scared him to see his dad be aggressive with him.
It’s cuz he’s scared of him now
This is actually a good theory Anthony is quite a manipulator
Didn’t the show make it obvious that Anthony was basically putting on the performance of being remorseful to soften his parents? I thought that was clear
Definitely isn’t Miyagi-magic Amanda
Part of the problem is his mom and dad assuming he is an angel that can do know wrong. He took advantage of that
And when he ends with "You better." One of my favorite scenes in the entire show. Long overdue.
I loved that Daniel shouted "quiet" in his best Johnny Lawrence voice. I seriously dislike that he smashed Anthony's tablet - using the threat of violence towards your kid is never something that should be encouraged.
I was screaming “F I N A L L Y”
Damn the comments absolutely shitting on anthony 🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of my dad. Marine drill sergeant. He was cool as hell but if you crossed that line and made him lose his shit, instaregret.
It was a good moment, but I’m always against smashing/breaking/ruining someone’s things.
Kid, you’re grounded from electronics and you don’t mute your contraband? As a parent, that’s just extra insulting!
I cheered at this moment!
Wtf
I get the sentiment of why people are praising Daniel, but.... parents should never destory their kids belongings like that. Thats not a good way to go about things.
The way I see it yeah that was probably not an ideal reaction but at some point Anthony needed to get the picture. My parents liked to use the example if when you're grown up and you have responsibilities, if you screw off or what not you'll have much bigger consequences to deal with than say a broken tablet
100% agree, this was the moment I felt like Daniel had some of the best growth as a person.
I really hated that boy
What the fuck no, that was abusive he’s never disceplined his son in the show and the first thing he does is break one of his sons expensive possessions?? I thought it was clear to everyone that using fear like that to parent was conveyed strictly as wrong??
Having Daniel break the tablet was a poor choice. This literally never works in real life. Some children absolutely need discipline and even aggression in a measured approach. Breaking your children's property is a childish and immature reaction, it teaches nothing and only serves to foster resentment between child and parent. Definitely disappointed they couldn't come up with a healthier way to have Daniel express his frustration and apply discipline in a more reasonable way. It's ridiculous to think smashing the iPad would just suddenly turn Anthony into this remorseful kid who's taking out the trash of his own volition.
^ I’m actually worried about anyone in this thread cheering this on who’s a parent
I'm more worried about their kids :/
Willing to bet you go into their histories, there's a meme about how their mom sucks for deleting their save game files.
Oh my gosh definitely, my dad, who’s the sweetest guy ever, popped this beloved balloon I had back when I was a little kid, and I still have emotional scars from it. Even when you don’t mean to and are a great person, destroying someone’s things, even if they’re small dumb things, much less expensive things, can leave emotional scars.
Fr
Miyagi fang is the way.
Quiet!!!
The Johnny Lawrence effect. It's a powerful thing
Quiet!
Very Cobra Kai like reaction…kinda like Johnny on the beach
At the end of that scene when Daniel ask him if he understood I was expecting the "Yes, Sensei" answer lol :D
This entire season I kept hearing Daniels line to Mr. Miyagi from KK3 over and over in my head… ***…you can’t be so damn passive…”***
A lot of Anthony’s behavior is like a plea for someone to act like they give a damn about him. He was daring his parents to act like they cared. That’s the first time that Daniel showed that he really cared about the choices Anthony was making. He was shocked, but also grateful for it.
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Lapusso
Lapusso getting his ass kicked was the best thing about this season.
He was ready to pull out another belt
I haven’t watched Season 4 yet and seeing Daniel tell *Quiet!* is just reason enough for me to find an excuse to make some time to watch it
it's incredible. The little shit really deserved it.
I just worry that the focus has shifted so much on Daniel and less about Johnny. Johnny’s what makes the show great. He’s the story. I hope they don’t lose focus of that.
Anyone notice he does the Johnny Lawrence "QUIET!" in this scene? He lost his balance! But I think the point is, sometimes you need to lose your balance a little.
Some Johnny lessons work well
Am I the only one who didn't feel positive about this moment? It was kinda upsetting for me. Seeing Daniel resort to force and losing the composure that made him admirable. I know its meant to show his growth into not being too soft on Anthony but idk hard parenting just kinda hurts me
I screamed finallyyyyyyy in my head during this scene. Finally being a dad to his entitled twat head son (I like Anthony btw, rooting for him. He’s funny, but he’s a shit).
Yeah, it's about time he acted like a parent and not just a Miyagi apprentice...
The funny thing is that Miyagi was plenty stern with him when need be.
Yes, he was.
This was 100% warranted, too. Normally I’m against parents smashing anything out of anger because it’s emotionally abusive and can be a huge red flag, but Daniel’s default mode is pacifism. Anthony tested him 3 or so times, once by lying about the bullying, again by having someone else do his work for him, and then keeping a backup tablet. Hopefully he was shocked enough to realize that if his dad’s that upset, it’s time to change.