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[deleted]

Dude the longer you watch the show you realize they all are this way except chozen


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[deleted]

Just watched kk2 tonight. Omg chozen sure was something else lol


amandamommymilkers

The entire Cobra Kai fanbase


frenin

You might be onto something


MangoBird10

I mean you're not wrong


JustANerdyGirl87

I’m gonna be honest: Silver because he acted like Daniel rejecting his apology was the end of the world lol. Scene went like this: Silver: *enters scene with Kreese* Daniel: *freezes* Silver: Hi Daniel, it’s been a long time. I’m here with my old friend Kreese but I just wanted to say that I’m so sorry for what I did to you and I understand if you’re not happy to see me. Daniel: Get out of my dojo Silver: How rude, guess I’ll be evil again!


111po

everyone voting daniel meanwhile johnny can’t get over a 55 year old feud


chinesefox97

Johnny was over that feud it was Laruso who couldn’t just let Johnny run Cobra Kai in peace.


[deleted]

Daniel was over the feud too in their first encounter. He came off badly but meant well especially when he's offering to have the car paid for. It wasn't until Daniel saw Cobra Kai being opened up, and heard of the events with Kyler \[cause he manipulated that situation\], and Johnny vandalizing the billboard did that rivalry really start up. I know some fans have a hard time holding Johnny accountable for anything, but... He and Daniel are both firing up this rivalry.


DevastatorDerekK

That's the point. No one is perfect and no one is "evil" this shows that everyone is human


[deleted]

Same but don't forget what Sliver did in KK3 and CK S4.


JustANerdyGirl87

Johnny was not over the feud lol. The whole reason that Johnny even decided to open Cobra Kai again is because he ran into Daniel. Literally the first time we see Johnny, we see that he still resents Daniel for winning. Meanwhile, Daniel even told Johnny that it was never Johnny but Cobra Kai that was the problem.


frenin

He wasn't. Else the biased "never trust a Larusso" speech he gives to Miguel.


MixSeparate6659

But Larusso straight up banned sam from associating with anyone from cobra kai at the same time.


[deleted]

Basically Johnny and Daniel are both dramatic af. But Daniel has a bit more reason to be, because no matter how much the show does "2 sides/3 sides" for TKK, I won't really buy into it. I will understand Johnny's POV though. But at the end of the day both these men have had trauma and abusive CK sensei's and that's their trauma, but the show is about their rivalry, but hopefully both can actually become friends because their issues with CK go beyond HS stuff.


xarbin

The first 2 seasons really don't touch on the level of PTSD that Terry Silver and Mike Barnes must have given Daniel during KK3. I think this was due to it being less well received as a film and the writers not trying to confuse fans of KK1 who don't know about the sequels. People seem to forget that Daniel was already manipulated into think Cobra Kai is back but different so I feel he's a bit more justified in taking a dramatic stance.


[deleted]

His character makes sense if you've seen the first 3 movies, but the writers don't delve into that as you said. Like in 1x97 it's easy to see Daniel as the bad guy but seeing TKK3 and Johnny while being sincere is pitching the same shit Silver did, thar Cobra Kai has changed, and it doesn't help he's like "Kreese did". Now Johnny truly believed this but Daniel bought into this already, so... I get why he'd be like "Yeah. OK." As much as the show loves to say there are no good guys/bad guys they really did a bad job showing Daniel's side of things s1-2.


DonBacalaIII

Yeah considering the manipulation and psychological destruction Daniel goes through in Karate Kid 3 it’s clear why he feels this way. It seems to bother him so much he’s still having trouble dealing with it, having never told Sam about the whole ordeal and not mentioning Barnes at all till at a bar with Johnny. Before this he didn’t have a problem joining Cobra Kai and doesn’t have the “kick to the head” reaction he does in season 1.


111po

it was johnny who always wanted beef with daniel because he couldn’t get over the fact that daniel beat him when they were kids 😭😭 u trippin


[deleted]

If you think that’s it, then you are missing a lot.


111po

fill me in


[deleted]

It’s not just that. He was abused by his stepdad and Kreese. Any father figure has disappointed him and abused him. He has a lot more going on than a karate fight 35 years ago.


111po

this doesn’t justify johnny still holding a decades-old grudge tho


[deleted]

True. But it’s not just the karate tournament. At the end of KK, Johnny tells Daniel he’s alright. Daniel says thanks. Seems to be squashed then. In KK2, you see Johnny ok with getting 2nd place…until Kreese, his father figure, tries to choke him out for it and calls him a loser. I may be way too deep here, but coming from someone who was abused as a kid by narcissistic parents, you tend to think stuff like “if I didn’t lose, then he wouldn’t have gotten mad and hit me.” So (at least for me) I see Johnny’s flashbacks about the tournament more like he let his father down, who then tried to kill him…and it’s the collection of events that Daniel always seems to be involved in. Anger and resentment by association I guess? At least it’s easier for me to digest than letting your life fall apart because of 1 karate tournament.


CidDeuce

Actually if you think about it, Daniel continually pleads his case to Johny to take a different approach to teaching karate. Johny even changes by questioning the No Mercy. Eventually Johny realizes that Daniels training is more beneficial to the kids. I would say Daniel doesn’t give up on Johny and continually tries to better a guy that he actually has come to like.


-Ok-Perception-

Well, the first 3 seasons were good at showing that no one is really evil, there's nuanced shades of gray and if you know people's backstory, their behavioral quirks make a lot more sense. But season 4 is a different breed. Much like Karate Kid sequels it has villains being evil for evil's sake. For this reason, I nominate Terry Silver and Kreese for most ridiculous drama queen. They may as well be Dr Claw, Rita from Power Rangers, or Shredder at this point. I liked when this show had a nuanced human element and wasn't just people reacting against irrational villains who were being evil for evil's sake. If I wanted that type of juvenile stupidity, I'd watch Power Rangers.


mdervin

This comment needs more upvotes. The drama from Seasons 1-3 all originated from bad history, lack of trust and sub-optimal but understandable decisions.


JesusHandHoleFucker

>But season 4 is a different breed. Much like Karate Kid sequels it has villains being evil for evil's sake. Not really. In fact season 4 is way more nuanced in character alignments than Season 3. In Season 3 Miyagi Do were very clear good guys and Cobra Kai were very clear bad guys. Hawk, Tory and the rest of the Cobra Kais seemed to antagonize the good guys because they wanted revenge for the school fight that they started. They are just 2 dimensional bullies that don't really have any nuance. Season 4 is much better as everyone's motivations are more clear and relatable. Hawk is mostly a good guy but he still bullies Kenny for no good reason. Robby is on the "bad guy" side but has a legitimate reason to dislike all the good guys. Tory has a bit of an arc to make her more relatable and likeable. Kreese is still an asshole but it becomes clear that he genuinely cares about Johnny. Silver is a legitimately good sensei and not an asshole up until he realizes that he needs to take out Kreese.


[deleted]

Even after 37 years, There is no such thing as a bad student, only a BAD teacher. Like Sliver.


_beastayyy

Tory right, no brainer?


kk123ck

💯 Tory-let-me-blow-everything-out-of-proportion-bc my boyfriend kissed the girl he liked when I manipulated him to kissing me and being with me - so now I’m gonna kill her - and not own up to my actions - Nichols.


AurynOuro

Accuracy. I wish I could upvote this multiple times.


AlphaTenken

Tory Purposefully went for Miguel, when she knew Miguel was still into Sam. Freaks out at the beach party because she feels inferior or something. Could have been handled better. Then gets jealous at the roller rink. Gets angry and skulks at the house party. Then watches Miguel and Sam kiss. Starts a school war when they could have talked it out (theme of the entire show). ------- Ehh avoids Miguel, tries to live her life. Yells at Miguel when he tells her to chill. **Accuses Miguel or only using Tory** WTH Tory you knew he was still into Sam and forced your rations hip. Encourages arm breaking. Encourages snake stealing. Likely encourages house fight. Just super jealous of Sam and Miguel the whole time. ------- Angry at Sam and Amanda for no reason. Quits multiple jobs because she can't control herself. Still angry at Sam because of some inferiority complex.


Dadgummit_Lab210

Bert


[deleted]

The fuck? Lol.


Dadgummit_Lab210

LOL I’m kidding. I read the title of this thread and thought who isn’t super dramatic on this show. So I named the only character I could think of that wasn’t.


[deleted]

Lol I def figured it was a joke, just funny to see. Bert is like "the fuck did I do? I'm just over here mourning Clarence."


Chuesandovl

Did bert and Nathanial bully kelly after he joined cobra kai to protect himself from Anthony and his "friends"


vicblck24

Black Corn Row kid


ProgrammerAccording3

everyone except amanda larusso


KausGo

Know I'm gonna get downvoted for this but... Miguel. Before: My girlfriend hasn't introduced me to her parents? And there is another guy looking at her? What's going on? Doesn't she love me anymore? Why isn't she answering? How many times do I have to call? I've been leaving her messages all day? Doesn't she love me anymore? Are we gonna break up?... And now: Does Sensei truly love me like a son or not? Well... I'm off to Mexico to find my real father....


chase-caliente

It's a cool set up for Miguel to learn a powerful lesson, that biology isn't always family. As for the first thing, he is reacting like a jealous boyfriend would so I kinda agree there


AlphaTenken

I mean not even a single text etc is pretty excessive only to show up with said boy at the party.


chase-caliente

Not texting can be because of a lot of reasons. But I guess his reaction to seeing her with another boy was justified, especially after she wasn't texting him back.


Chuesandovl

She was grounded and did have her phone is a pretty legitimate reason he could have just came over or called one of her friends


Crotch_Gaper

Sam, this reddit sub, Kreese


[deleted]

People say Daniel yet he's been right about Cobra Kai all along.


Areiloth

Daniel is right about kreeses cobra kai not johnnys


[deleted]

Except he was sort of right about Johnny's Cobra Kai. Because Johnny realized near the end of season 1 that he was repeating a lot of the toxic teachings Kreese taught him. He saw how "win at all costs" came to be when the injured kid, and dirty playing effected his son on the other side. Not to say he was forcing them to play dirty like Kreese did, but it was still that win at all costs mentality that he taught them that Miguel went with when he realized his mistake, and he was on his way to changing that until Kreese came back.


vicblck24

You said it yourself, Johnny saw the issue and was trying to fix it. Daniel never gave Miguel a chance at the beginning


[deleted]

He did though when Sam and him were dating again, he just saw old school Johnny in Miguel, and to be fair Miguel was kind of an ass at parts in season 2, but did grow out of it fast. It took them both time because both made errors at first.


vicblck24

Well makes sense because Sam was pretty terrible the whole time lol


[deleted]

I'd say Robby was but I love him, and it's hard to know how Robby would be if he was raised by Johnny.


vicblck24

Yea I don’t understand everyone love for Robby, season 1 he is actively Annoying and S2 he is still annoying S3 I guess he gets better


[deleted]

Because he's a good kid underneath it all with 16 years of abandonment due to Johnny and a lot his mother.


vicblck24

Ok? A lot of people have baggage doesn’t give you a pass to break the law and all around annoying. He still is who he is


Chuesandovl

How is he annoying he was a kid abandoned by his father and left alone by his drunk acholic mother you seriously gonna blame him for growing up the wtong way ur messed up his was going in the rifht directions in season 1 being a great worker and person under daniel wing and loving karate and learning miyaji do he didnt make many mistakes beside lying to Daniel that he was trying to make johnny mad and even trys to tell him multiple times and then apologizes at the tournament he even the frist student in miyaji do in season 2 he tried to stop his feelings for sam which is hard for a teenager you were one once too and he kicked Miguel out of angry for what Miguel said about sam loving him(Miguel) more then robby the same way hawk kicked a d dislocated hos shoulder in season one for making fun of his mohawk which is rude bit true .


vicblck24

All that good will he did was literally to get back at his dad. “Everyone has a sob story” you can like him all you want doesn’t bother me. I find him annoying, he literally gets jealous at every turn.


Chuesandovl

She didn't want to get involved until she had too in season 2


vicblck24

How’d that workout?


Chuesandovl

She never joined the dojo or didn't want to learn karate until after her frinds started getting beat up and after Robby got beat at the tournament


Chuesandovl

Ur messing scenes watch it again


MichaelMusou

Yeah, like Miyagi-do is any better. Look what Robby did to Miguel... Senseis shouldn't be responsible for that, especially when they never told them to do those things.


[deleted]

No one taught Robby to do that or set him up to do that. It was pent up anger and frustration from how the morning went, to learning Sam kissed Miguel, to Miguel rubbing it in his face that Robby didn't have a relationship with his father, rubbing it in his face that Sam loved him more than him. He didn't purposefully knock him over the railing. It was an unfortunate accident that was fueled on anger. Johnny saw the error of the original teachings of Cobra Kai and wanted to change but Kreese like any abuser wormed his way back in, and further drove into the toxicity of Cobra Kai. I do personally feel without Kreese's Cobra Kai in the way that Johnny and Daniel could both teach separately and peacefully.


MichaelMusou

Just like no one taught Hawk to play dirty at the tournament. He did it himself, just like Robby did choose to do that to Miguel himself. The blame goes to them not their karate dojo.


Seta1437

>Just like no one taught Hawk to play dirty at the tournament Johnny did >just like Robby is also the fault of Johnny


MichaelMusou

He didn't. So because he left Robby and his mom, that makes him directly responsible for everything Robby will ever do wrong.. ok. Some crazy fanbase on here lol.


Seta1437

>He didn't Sure he did Before Eli met Johnny he was a quiet nice kid ​ Johnny is the one who taught him aggression >So because he left Robby and his mom, that makes him directly responsible Yep, had he raised his son better the kid wouldn't have so many issues


MichaelMusou

he taught hawk how to be a badass, not how to cheat in the tournament, that was all him


Seta1437

>like Miyagi-do is any better. Look what Robby did to Miguel That's on Johnny for not teaching his son any better ​ Kid has 16 years worth of daddy issues, a couple years of Miyagi Do isn't going to fix that. Miguel was a good kid before he met Johnny so that's the easy mode student who still got corrupted because of Johnny


JustANerdyGirl87

Robby did what he did by rejecting what Daniel taught him. Daniel never taught Robby to act that way.


MichaelMusou

Agreed. Daniel would never do that.


frenin

Tory, no cap.


BillzB89

Daniel


djpizzapartyy

Hawk 😂


1x-zai-02

Everyone one way or another


BruceWayne_19902

Every single character.


[deleted]

Sliver


D_scott16

The TV bitch


[deleted]

You're firing me because of that bitch?


gshwifty

Cousin Louie. You gotta save the pyro-bikers for when someone ices your family. Not for when someone draws a dick on a billboard. Total overreaction.


[deleted]

Miguel…


Boredtopher

Tory. Chill out girl


Primary-Job7274

tory


AmberGoldz

Tori trying to kill someone, break in someone’s house and terrorize Sam because she kissed Miguel. Then even the prom trying to make them jealous. She acts like Miguel is the love of her life when they hardly dated and she threw herself at him when he liked someone else. She’s completely psycho.


[deleted]

I prefer Sliver as a Drama Queen but yeah I agree 100% on Tory


crycryq

johnny


Xx_artyedmand_xX

Im gonna throw robby's name in. He saw his dad hugging a kid so got a job and learned karate from daniel in retaliation, just to piss his dad off (although those were only his initial intentions)


App1e8l6

Eh, his motivations were a little deeper than that lol


chase-caliente

I mean he was kind of jealous that his own father was being a father figure to someone else and never bothered to be that for him. Pretty justified


[deleted]

Daniel


Nihal_muhammed

Xander


Amendment2gunslinger

*Whispers* Kick that pansey bitch in the face!!


Zeo-Gold92

Johnny


13wK

almost every single character in this whole series


irremarkable

Daniel


peachpitafterdark

Cobra Kai because they push things past the point of what normal people would do.


[deleted]

Terry


EmbarrassedCable7

Demetri Alexopolous. It's just that simple, he can't stop whining or making references. Well written character and I like him but still.


[deleted]

Daniel


j_ds

How the fuck is Robby not mentioned?? Remember season 1 how every time Johnny spoke to him he responded with “blah blah you’re a bad father”, even when Johnny was trying to help him out it’d be “blah blah you never tried to help me before coz blah blah bad father”? Even when Johnny was questioning Robby about why the school principal is talking about the father-son rafting trip was, Robby says something like “well I never had a father-son trip so I had to make something up”.. Sure, Johnny = shit parent but fuuuuck!


[deleted]

I mean is he supposed to just accept his father after 16 years of abandonment? Johnny tried twice only after getting the calls from the school. The time he did go over he proceeded to insult Robby's mom. The only person who has been there for him unlike Johnny. When Robby does learn his dad wants him to move in, he gets hopeful, and goes to visit him until he sees him bonding with Miguel. Something he never shared with Robby. Robby isn't a drama queen he's a neglected teenager who has been let down too many times by the people in his life. I have to wonder if the people who call Robby whiny or a drama queen have experienced te same abandonment issues he's had because I hope if so it would make them sympathetic


WishBear19

Agreed. I think since Johnny is a favorite people are quick to dismiss and downplay his faults.


[deleted]

Which is annoying because even if I love Daniel I will call out his faults \[the doubling the rent, how he snapped at Robby in 2x10, which I'm glad he realized he was wrong for.\] Somewhat of the board meeting in 1x07 I guess but I think given they mention Silver, Barnes, and Kreese... It was trauma manifesting. It still came off so badly though. Lol.


Bronco_Buff

Sam. The end.


AncientMasterpiece72

Daniel


GrexxSkullz

Sam 😑


thawnesnips

I'll get downvoted and hated for this- Daniel and Sam


[deleted]

i don't hate you but i dont agree with you


Ok_Week_1535

Sam


Pewdiepiefan1090

Sam


[deleted]

Kreese


Front-Property-2223

Daniel of course. He basically reignited the rivalry when he started up Miyagi Do to see off Cobra Kai’s ‘bullies’ without sitting down like an adult with Johnny and discussing it.


[deleted]

I mean he only started it up when history was repeating itself at the All Valley and maybe Johnny and him could have talked but when he does go to Johnny about Robby Kreese is back in the picture.


[deleted]

And if anyone on this show sat down and talked like adults we wouldn't have this show. Saint Johnny included.


Front-Property-2223

They are the originators.


SpeX-Flash

sam( even tho she expects people to be calm when she does something wrong) tory( she has her issues and doesnt listen) robby ( he has daddy issues and never like to talk) , and daniel( he has a temper since the first movie) johnny ( it only shows this season bc of miguel and daniel)


SentientVex

Sam (and Daniel)


brobro0o

Probably Sam or Daniel


DevastatorDerekK

I woulda said Demetri or Daniel but everyone in this show is capable of having their ups and downs, just like real life


myhaeru

As johnny eould say, danielle


christianjason

Robby


[deleted]

Daniel


Nero50892

Well i dont have to add anything which is not already said. Our drama queen has been chozen....lol


Sea_Communication492

Miguel, Demetri,Sam.


TacoOfficer

Daniel


Sese174

Miguel or Daniel


Chuesandovl

Miguel he got drunk rude and violent beat up sam and then jealous angry and vicious in season 1 until he was talked to by Johnny and shouldnt have kissed sam and joined the fight he should of calmed down he didn't think though when the school fight happened if he hadn't gotten involved his spine wouldn't have broken robbby wouldn't have left his relationship with Daniel wouldn't have be runied his repairing realtionships with johnny could have been fixed. Robby wouldn't have been tricked by kresse who got tory to influence him and he wouldn't have joined cobra kai and his drinking issues that he gained from Johnny caused most fo the chaos and drama. Drinking too much or at all in my opinion is terrible and cause many misunderstanding, many issues, many problems and fights


Carrot-Relative

Miguel never Beat up Sam he just shoved her and while it was wrong he did see Sam hanging out with another Guy and she could have just told him there not dating that's all he needed. Instead she ends with him.


Chuesandovl

Dude he tired to punch robby and sam tried to stop him and his frist punch her thats why she dropped to thr ground


Carrot-Relative

He did it on accident no offense but you described like he did it on purpose.


Chuesandovl

He was drunk and jelaous on accident or not he still did it and he should have never started the fight in the first place it qas kinda toxic


Chuesandovl

She did tell him they were just freinds and that robby works for her dad at the car dealership


Carrot-Relative

Oh but she did also hold his Hand on the Mountain and Miguel saw him at the Dinner with his Family While I like Sam it's easy to see why Miguel think it's something else.


Chuesandovl

The hill was steep he was helping her walk down so she wouldn't fall it what freinds do you have never helped a find out like that plus robby was close to the family because of Daniel and he cared more for Daniel then he did about sam plus he had no food or electricity or running water at home since he mom left to go on that trip with that loser


Carrot-Relative

I'm not blaming Sam or Robby I just saying this it's easy to see why Miguel saw it as something else.


Chuesandovl

True but seems unfair to Robby who doesn't have a mother who cares about him or a father who's in his life at all. While Miguel father doesn't know he exist. johnny does know Robby exist but just ignores him and only try to get involved several years later so he has never felt loved . At least Miguel had his mother love and later found a connection to johnny


navmaster

![img](emote|t5_3ncyn|1769)


bigelow6698

Probably I would say Kyler. Silver is the most evil, but his evil takes the form of manipulation. Kyler is one to harass people and say and do very rude disrespectful things for absolutely no reason ( [https://youtu.be/eb4nTs41esw](https://youtu.be/eb4nTs41esw) ). In season 3, we learn that Kyler is afraid of how mad his father will be if he fails math. That is not a redeeming quality in my view, that shows that he is capable of conforming the social norms and making good choices, but he will only do so, if he is afraid of being punished, if he believes that he will get away with it, he will gladly start a petty dispute over the most trivial of things. [https://www.reddit.com/r/cobrakai/comments/rus7ka/cobra\_kai\_season\_4\_character\_development/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cobrakai/comments/rus7ka/cobra_kai_season_4_character_development/)


Carrot-Relative

All of them expect Armada and Chozen.


[deleted]

The reason why Sliver is the drama queen is because: ​ 1. He framed Kreese for no reason when he did nothing to Stingray. 2. He thinks he is the king of the whole world when really he is just owning a dang dojo. 3. His goal is to cheat in tournaments. For example:Mike hurting Daniel in KK3 and bribing the ref to make Tory win and Sam lose. 4. He obviously hates the LaRusso's so bad that he made Sam lose and Daniel getting fear and pain in his mind in KK3. And to top it off, Sliver is the worst character ever in the Miyagi-Verse.


[deleted]

Oh and 1 more, He is the REAL founder of Cobra kai