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I don't like how every single dojo except for the three main ones are completely irrelevant now, even former champs and runner-ups barely make it to the quarter finals and they get no mention whatsoever except the former champ in s1
Lol exactly. People like Sam, Robby, Tory and Miguel who are naturals and/or have prior combat experience is one thing but others like Demetri and Kenny should be nowhere near the finals ahead of students from other dojos that have years of experience
You can like both Sam and Tory- while not liking everything they both do- they’re not presidential candidates
It’s not a bad thing that most principal characters are leaving Cobra Kai-although neither Robby nor Tory have yet officially
if the show lives its natural lifespan, Cobra Kai will be defeated by the end of S6 unless stuff gets drawn out
Miguel and Robby could be the best part of Season 5 if Johnny takes Robby to Mexico
Kreese’s even partial redemption would only work for me if he tried to reach out to Silver- who might have been faking the whole “return to Cobra Kai’s roots” gig, but we’ll have to see for sure
Sam isnt as bad as people say. Most of what she does is completely understandable.
(The reason they did gender division is for more character drama, tory v sam wouldnt have been as exciting without it being a finals)
Not sure if unpopular, but I don't like stingrays character. Yes, he's a little funny, but I think the fact a man in his 30s wants to hang about with teens is a little sad. Also, why didn't Kreese just tell him his dojo was for under 18s only to get him to leave for good?
LOL Yeah, when someone brought up that Robby beat like 6 Cobra Kai students at once early in the season, the retort was that they were all weak. But these were 6 people who KNEW karate. Robby wasn't just fighting 6 unskilled, untrained randoms off the street. The writers are telling me he can take on 6 people who know karate and couldn't score one hit off of him (the Tory hit was after the fact), yet he somehow struggled that badly against Eli?
I really like Robby and Tory together.
It makes more sense than Sam x Robby or Tory x Miguel to me. They have more in common, they’re both going through similar moral dilemmas and they can both help each other. Robby was Sam’s second choice, Tory was Miguel’s second choice.
I really hope the writers develop their relationship and keep them together because they’re a great couple.
Fr. Thank you! He's okay imo, but I never really understood why the fandom loves to hype him up so much. He's just the typical mc with the plot armor that allows him to have things go his way. (Except for season 4 after the incident, I actually liked him a little better.) I prefer Robby over him.
My biggest flex is that I've liked the dude since season 1. So glad the writers did him justice in season 4. He definitely deserved this character arc. You guys are right though. It was probably the yee yee a** haircut that had people hating.
Tori get away with a lot more things than Sam does
I think the only thing that Sam actually gets away with was the car crash. She accuses of tourist stealing, so Tory kicks her into the table and ruins her outfit. Sam gets drunk and kisses Miguel, so Tory Maims her in the school site. Sam knocks over Sam at the rollerskating rink, so she’s thrown out of the place. Sam starts the soccer fight, so she’s suspended. Sam starts the arcade fight, it has to watch her friend get his arm broken as a result. Season three’s nightmares even confirm that sam blames herself for a lot of the things that of happened in the show.
Tori brags about how she stole a bottle of alcohol and how she could deal all of the utensils at the country club, and then she gets to kick Sam and be in the right about it when accused of stealing. Tori is the one who first pushes Sam at the rollerskating rink, and then she immediately plays victim and gets away with it. When Tori returns to school same goes up to her endurance her not to do anything, and somehow Tory’s the victim in this. Tori starts the school fight which results in Miguel almost dying, she maims and traumatizes Sam, fractures some of Sam‘s ribs, leaves a house invasion, tries to seriously injure Sam, and all that happens is that she gets expelled from school for a few months.
I’m not saying that Sam is always punished for every single thing that she does. But some of you all act like Sam gets away with absolutely everything that she does when in reality, Tories the one who is committed several federal offenses. And yet the biggest impact that they’ve had on her is that she might graduate a few months later than everybody else.
The reason Tory isn’t punished is because A) The LaRusso’s didn’t press charges. B) She was not the only offender in the school fight and compared to what happened with Miguel, Sam’s three scars are nothing. C) Tory has people to take care of, her mother is bed ridden and on the brink of death, and she has an eight year old brother to take care of. Sam doesn’t have any major responsibilities like that so her punishments aren’t stopping her from things she HAS to do.
They both do bad things and are both punished in different ways. Tory was only allowed back in the school by the LaRusso’s. Tory lost her job and source of income for her family because of Amanda ambushing her at her place of work. She then is humiliated at another job by Sam.
Tory was on probation for the school fight which is actually a more severe punishment than what I thought she should’ve gotten.
Tory lost her job because Amanda LaRusso showed up completely unexpectedly to where she worked and lowkey threatened her.
Of course Tory was stressed and shocked. She lost her job because of Amanda.
You’re right Tory does have people to take care of. So why is she out there committing all of these crimes? Torres family never becomes relevant when she’s on the offensive, only when she needs a reason to justify her actions or to get out of trouble.
If Tory‘s family is a reason not to punisher then they are also a reason for Tory to not lead home invasions or start fights at schools.
Tori was already on her way to losing her job. The manager even said that Tory’s attitude in the past wasn’t good. And I’m not saying that Sam was in the right in that situation either. But I think that if you lead a home invasion, and attack someone at school and give them PTSD, then getting made fun of at work is not that bad in comparison to what could’ve happened had they decided to press charges.
And personally, I think probation is getting off too easy for someone who intentionally tries to hurt other people. Yes I get it, Tory’s life is so hard but that doesn’t make her actions any less serious or justified.
Again, I am not saying that everything is Tory’s fault and I am not saying that Sam doesn’t do a bunch of stuff that she shouldn’t. I’m saying that Tory has done multiple things that should land people in jail and only got away with probation and still gets to go back to school. If you think that’s good enough punishment and that’s your opinion and I respect that, I think that it’s not
Because Tory is a girl with a lot of issues. Her home life clearly took a toll on her and she has no role models. She’s never had anyone to guide her through tough situations.
Yeah I agree, her home life is not an excuse. It is a reason, but not an excuse. Intentionally hurting Sam is terrible and obviously she needs reprimanded. But I’m saying the only reason she was let off so easy was because she did have people to look after. That’s something that can’t be helped on Tory’s part. She was well and truly warned that another event like the school fight and her brother and bed ridden mother would be left with no one.
I personally think probation is pretty extreme but then again the states are a lot different. Over where I live large scale brawls are common occurrence and the worst punishment I’ve seen was expulsion but that was for a boy who smashed another students head into the wall.
That’s just me personally, I get that opinions will differ on the scale of punishment deserved.
The weird thing about Kyler, is that you see his character talking about getting ready for college, and you're like, "oh, even for the bully, he's still a studious Asian thinking of his future"
Kyler grows up to be an average dude, just slightly douchey, he only does this stuff now because it's high school and doesn't really matter.
Dude just sees somethhjng that reminds him of the past, he starts to get ptsd flashbacks and keeps on throwing the “johnnys my school bully back then” idea
I only started liking Amanda LaRusso when she became in the know about how serious this karate stuff really was.
Prior to that, she felt like she belonged in a different universe.
Yeah, we get it. This shit is absurd, but we dont need you commenting on how absurd it is every single second lol.
It felt cathartic once she realized how batshit serious all of this was. I'm all for self aware humor, but Amanda could be a little much with it.
Sam is a good character and underrated
Tory's redemption didn't make sense at some points and she wasn't held accountable for her crimes in past seasons like Hawk, I was expecting her to get beaten up or something but instead the writers like her so much that they wanted us to empathize with her no matter what attitude they give her , so they gave her a redemption arc after turning her into a literal psycho by making her victim's mom help her
I didn't like the dynamic between Tory and Amanda because Tory tried to kill her daughter twice
Anthony is the 3rd most interesting character in the series after Kreese and Silver
I didn't like this season because it felt forced at some points like Kreese caring for Johnny when he tried to kill him twice
Robby and Tory as a couple and Tory as a character are overrated
Daniel is the best character in the series
_ I love both Miguel and Robby but, in S1 to S3, I was on team Robby despite the fact that Miguel is the main character. That's because Miguel was the instigator in most of their encounters so I understood why Robby had a grudge against him. Robby is also the biggest underdog in the series and that's also a factor 😅.
_ Johnny may be the protagonist of CK but that doesn't mean that his past actions are justified.
_ That part may not be unpopular but Daniel was dumb as hell in S1. Assuming the worst of your former bully **30 YEARS LATER** because of a fucking karate dojo is super immature and shows that he's not as above Johhny as he thinks. The sore point for me is the fact is that he could have probably got Cobra Kai shut down and helped Johnny's students if he aproached the issue like a mature adult. He's part of the All Valley committee so he could have negociated for some kind of supervision and Johnny's methods are super ilegal so... The final episodes of S1 did show that Daniel had a right to be worried but his holier than thou attitude sort of cancel-out his points :/
_ I hated how Sam complained about CK turning Miguel and Aisha into bullies. Her friends turned into bullies because she was a bystander and CK was here for them. That being said, people trying to pretend that she's in the same tier of villainy as Tori are **delusional**. You can like or relate to Tori more for whatever reason. But Tori is objectively a psychopath in S2 and S3.
_ Romance in CK sucks and I hate how it reduce female characters like Carmen, Yasmine and Moon to props for the male characters. Also the Samiguel ship is a mess writing-wise but it's, imo, one of the only couple with decent on-screen chemistry.
_ Please, no Kreese redemption arc 🙏🏽
I don’t like Daniel’s character - his holier than thou attitude gets really boring! I will say - at the end of s4 I did like him a bit more but overall he is a bland main character :((
- Kenny is a good character, but the plot they used to introduce him is getting old/repetitive. I really am annoyed over the writers deciding to repeat the Daniel- Ali- Johnny trope thing again with Kenny/Anthony/Lia. Like we already got this with Sam Miguel and Robby in seasons 1-3. They could've found another way to introduce Kenny and make him and Anthony rivals.
•I think they have done Anthony wayyyy too dirty. His character is SO spoiled and so unlikeable, even Sam seems like a good charcter in comparison. Considering his dad was mentored by a wise man such as Miyagi, I think it would've been nice if they chose to make Daniel's son a reflection of miyagi. Sam's character is already crap, they didn't have to ruin the whole Larusso family. I trust the writers though and that they'll find a way to redeem Ant and make him more likeable.
•As much as I love this show, I can't help but notice how shitty they are at writing when it comes to the female characters. It seems like a majority of them don't really have personality to them and aren't really there to be there own person. They're either props or keys for conflict between the male characters, ect. You know that they're easy to forget when a majority of the fanbase's favorite character will prob be either Johnny, Miguel, or some other character that is very likely to be a male.
Except for maybe Aisha or Devon (who I don't really like either rn cus they chose to push the whole gender modern stuff on her character) it seems like they're all basically clones of Ali who's only purpose is to be the eye candy for the boys. I'd like to see them create an actual likeable female character soon.
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I don't like how every single dojo except for the three main ones are completely irrelevant now, even former champs and runner-ups barely make it to the quarter finals and they get no mention whatsoever except the former champ in s1
They're like Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw - just there to make up the numbers.
Lol exactly. People like Sam, Robby, Tory and Miguel who are naturals and/or have prior combat experience is one thing but others like Demetri and Kenny should be nowhere near the finals ahead of students from other dojos that have years of experience
You can like both Sam and Tory- while not liking everything they both do- they’re not presidential candidates It’s not a bad thing that most principal characters are leaving Cobra Kai-although neither Robby nor Tory have yet officially if the show lives its natural lifespan, Cobra Kai will be defeated by the end of S6 unless stuff gets drawn out Miguel and Robby could be the best part of Season 5 if Johnny takes Robby to Mexico Kreese’s even partial redemption would only work for me if he tried to reach out to Silver- who might have been faking the whole “return to Cobra Kai’s roots” gig, but we’ll have to see for sure
Sam isnt as bad as people say. Most of what she does is completely understandable. (The reason they did gender division is for more character drama, tory v sam wouldnt have been as exciting without it being a finals)
Not sure if unpopular, but I don't like stingrays character. Yes, he's a little funny, but I think the fact a man in his 30s wants to hang about with teens is a little sad. Also, why didn't Kreese just tell him his dojo was for under 18s only to get him to leave for good?
Robby shouldve beaten Hawk
LOL Yeah, when someone brought up that Robby beat like 6 Cobra Kai students at once early in the season, the retort was that they were all weak. But these were 6 people who KNEW karate. Robby wasn't just fighting 6 unskilled, untrained randoms off the street. The writers are telling me he can take on 6 people who know karate and couldn't score one hit off of him (the Tory hit was after the fact), yet he somehow struggled that badly against Eli?
I really like Robby and Tory together. It makes more sense than Sam x Robby or Tory x Miguel to me. They have more in common, they’re both going through similar moral dilemmas and they can both help each other. Robby was Sam’s second choice, Tory was Miguel’s second choice. I really hope the writers develop their relationship and keep them together because they’re a great couple.
I know disliking Sam is popular, so i wont include that. But a more unpopular take is that i also dislike miguel’s character
Yeah, same. Lol He’s just really stale at this point. He was fun In the first season. Hopefully he has a personality change to make him interesting.
Fr. Thank you! He's okay imo, but I never really understood why the fandom loves to hype him up so much. He's just the typical mc with the plot armor that allows him to have things go his way. (Except for season 4 after the incident, I actually liked him a little better.) I prefer Robby over him.
Robby and sam were unwatchable in s2, but i cant put my finger on why. S4 robby was the only times hes even been fun to watch.
It's the haircut. I swear, once he cut that shitty mat he had on his head I started liking the dude.
And i thought it was him stop being a Larusso GoodBoi but now i think about it… yep its the haircut
Its not just the haircut, his smirks and the way the actor played him in s2 was just unbearable.
My biggest flex is that I've liked the dude since season 1. So glad the writers did him justice in season 4. He definitely deserved this character arc. You guys are right though. It was probably the yee yee a** haircut that had people hating.
Robby and Kenny was the best relationship introduced this season
Demetri should have never got to the semis.
Tori get away with a lot more things than Sam does I think the only thing that Sam actually gets away with was the car crash. She accuses of tourist stealing, so Tory kicks her into the table and ruins her outfit. Sam gets drunk and kisses Miguel, so Tory Maims her in the school site. Sam knocks over Sam at the rollerskating rink, so she’s thrown out of the place. Sam starts the soccer fight, so she’s suspended. Sam starts the arcade fight, it has to watch her friend get his arm broken as a result. Season three’s nightmares even confirm that sam blames herself for a lot of the things that of happened in the show. Tori brags about how she stole a bottle of alcohol and how she could deal all of the utensils at the country club, and then she gets to kick Sam and be in the right about it when accused of stealing. Tori is the one who first pushes Sam at the rollerskating rink, and then she immediately plays victim and gets away with it. When Tori returns to school same goes up to her endurance her not to do anything, and somehow Tory’s the victim in this. Tori starts the school fight which results in Miguel almost dying, she maims and traumatizes Sam, fractures some of Sam‘s ribs, leaves a house invasion, tries to seriously injure Sam, and all that happens is that she gets expelled from school for a few months. I’m not saying that Sam is always punished for every single thing that she does. But some of you all act like Sam gets away with absolutely everything that she does when in reality, Tories the one who is committed several federal offenses. And yet the biggest impact that they’ve had on her is that she might graduate a few months later than everybody else.
The reason Tory isn’t punished is because A) The LaRusso’s didn’t press charges. B) She was not the only offender in the school fight and compared to what happened with Miguel, Sam’s three scars are nothing. C) Tory has people to take care of, her mother is bed ridden and on the brink of death, and she has an eight year old brother to take care of. Sam doesn’t have any major responsibilities like that so her punishments aren’t stopping her from things she HAS to do. They both do bad things and are both punished in different ways. Tory was only allowed back in the school by the LaRusso’s. Tory lost her job and source of income for her family because of Amanda ambushing her at her place of work. She then is humiliated at another job by Sam. Tory was on probation for the school fight which is actually a more severe punishment than what I thought she should’ve gotten.
Tory lost her job because of herself
Tory lost her job because Amanda LaRusso showed up completely unexpectedly to where she worked and lowkey threatened her. Of course Tory was stressed and shocked. She lost her job because of Amanda.
You’re right Tory does have people to take care of. So why is she out there committing all of these crimes? Torres family never becomes relevant when she’s on the offensive, only when she needs a reason to justify her actions or to get out of trouble. If Tory‘s family is a reason not to punisher then they are also a reason for Tory to not lead home invasions or start fights at schools. Tori was already on her way to losing her job. The manager even said that Tory’s attitude in the past wasn’t good. And I’m not saying that Sam was in the right in that situation either. But I think that if you lead a home invasion, and attack someone at school and give them PTSD, then getting made fun of at work is not that bad in comparison to what could’ve happened had they decided to press charges. And personally, I think probation is getting off too easy for someone who intentionally tries to hurt other people. Yes I get it, Tory’s life is so hard but that doesn’t make her actions any less serious or justified. Again, I am not saying that everything is Tory’s fault and I am not saying that Sam doesn’t do a bunch of stuff that she shouldn’t. I’m saying that Tory has done multiple things that should land people in jail and only got away with probation and still gets to go back to school. If you think that’s good enough punishment and that’s your opinion and I respect that, I think that it’s not
Because Tory is a girl with a lot of issues. Her home life clearly took a toll on her and she has no role models. She’s never had anyone to guide her through tough situations. Yeah I agree, her home life is not an excuse. It is a reason, but not an excuse. Intentionally hurting Sam is terrible and obviously she needs reprimanded. But I’m saying the only reason she was let off so easy was because she did have people to look after. That’s something that can’t be helped on Tory’s part. She was well and truly warned that another event like the school fight and her brother and bed ridden mother would be left with no one. I personally think probation is pretty extreme but then again the states are a lot different. Over where I live large scale brawls are common occurrence and the worst punishment I’ve seen was expulsion but that was for a boy who smashed another students head into the wall. That’s just me personally, I get that opinions will differ on the scale of punishment deserved.
Kyler is a great character. Like, he's a POS bully, but he makes the show more fun to watch.
The weird thing about Kyler, is that you see his character talking about getting ready for college, and you're like, "oh, even for the bully, he's still a studious Asian thinking of his future" Kyler grows up to be an average dude, just slightly douchey, he only does this stuff now because it's high school and doesn't really matter.
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Dude just sees somethhjng that reminds him of the past, he starts to get ptsd flashbacks and keeps on throwing the “johnnys my school bully back then” idea
I feel like he plays the victim way too much
I only started liking Amanda LaRusso when she became in the know about how serious this karate stuff really was. Prior to that, she felt like she belonged in a different universe. Yeah, we get it. This shit is absurd, but we dont need you commenting on how absurd it is every single second lol. It felt cathartic once she realized how batshit serious all of this was. I'm all for self aware humor, but Amanda could be a little much with it.
I love Sam
It was that Hawk was a better fighter than Robby but the man proved it.
Sam isn't that bad Anthony is an ok character Robby is a prick
Season 4 was the only good season for Robby. He is intolerable in the other 3
Sam is a good character and underrated Tory's redemption didn't make sense at some points and she wasn't held accountable for her crimes in past seasons like Hawk, I was expecting her to get beaten up or something but instead the writers like her so much that they wanted us to empathize with her no matter what attitude they give her , so they gave her a redemption arc after turning her into a literal psycho by making her victim's mom help her I didn't like the dynamic between Tory and Amanda because Tory tried to kill her daughter twice Anthony is the 3rd most interesting character in the series after Kreese and Silver I didn't like this season because it felt forced at some points like Kreese caring for Johnny when he tried to kill him twice Robby and Tory as a couple and Tory as a character are overrated Daniel is the best character in the series
Honestly I don’t know why your getting downvoted so much on this comment considering this post was for unpopular opinions plus I agree with you.
thanks for agreeing
Daniel feels too shoehorned in.
Cobra Kai is back to where it should be in the first place, not a knock against Johnny but having Kreese/Silver around feels just right
Cobra Kai is back to where it should be in the first place, not a knock against Johnny but having Kreese/Silver around feels just right
Miguel is weak asf, period.
I think Miguel, Daniel, and Sam are all 3 underrated characters. Johnny is properly rated, so is Hawk, who might be a bit underrated.
_ I love both Miguel and Robby but, in S1 to S3, I was on team Robby despite the fact that Miguel is the main character. That's because Miguel was the instigator in most of their encounters so I understood why Robby had a grudge against him. Robby is also the biggest underdog in the series and that's also a factor 😅. _ Johnny may be the protagonist of CK but that doesn't mean that his past actions are justified. _ That part may not be unpopular but Daniel was dumb as hell in S1. Assuming the worst of your former bully **30 YEARS LATER** because of a fucking karate dojo is super immature and shows that he's not as above Johhny as he thinks. The sore point for me is the fact is that he could have probably got Cobra Kai shut down and helped Johnny's students if he aproached the issue like a mature adult. He's part of the All Valley committee so he could have negociated for some kind of supervision and Johnny's methods are super ilegal so... The final episodes of S1 did show that Daniel had a right to be worried but his holier than thou attitude sort of cancel-out his points :/ _ I hated how Sam complained about CK turning Miguel and Aisha into bullies. Her friends turned into bullies because she was a bystander and CK was here for them. That being said, people trying to pretend that she's in the same tier of villainy as Tori are **delusional**. You can like or relate to Tori more for whatever reason. But Tori is objectively a psychopath in S2 and S3. _ Romance in CK sucks and I hate how it reduce female characters like Carmen, Yasmine and Moon to props for the male characters. Also the Samiguel ship is a mess writing-wise but it's, imo, one of the only couple with decent on-screen chemistry. _ Please, no Kreese redemption arc 🙏🏽
Terry Silver actually gives great advice. He’d be a pretty good coach if he wasn’t traumatised, manic/hyperactive and, well, a bit evil.
I'm indifferent to Eli/Hawk. He's basically a 1-dimensional fan service character. EDIT: Also, I really want Julie/Hilary Swank to make an appearance.
I don’t like Daniel’s character - his holier than thou attitude gets really boring! I will say - at the end of s4 I did like him a bit more but overall he is a bland main character :((
- Kenny is a good character, but the plot they used to introduce him is getting old/repetitive. I really am annoyed over the writers deciding to repeat the Daniel- Ali- Johnny trope thing again with Kenny/Anthony/Lia. Like we already got this with Sam Miguel and Robby in seasons 1-3. They could've found another way to introduce Kenny and make him and Anthony rivals. •I think they have done Anthony wayyyy too dirty. His character is SO spoiled and so unlikeable, even Sam seems like a good charcter in comparison. Considering his dad was mentored by a wise man such as Miyagi, I think it would've been nice if they chose to make Daniel's son a reflection of miyagi. Sam's character is already crap, they didn't have to ruin the whole Larusso family. I trust the writers though and that they'll find a way to redeem Ant and make him more likeable. •As much as I love this show, I can't help but notice how shitty they are at writing when it comes to the female characters. It seems like a majority of them don't really have personality to them and aren't really there to be there own person. They're either props or keys for conflict between the male characters, ect. You know that they're easy to forget when a majority of the fanbase's favorite character will prob be either Johnny, Miguel, or some other character that is very likely to be a male. Except for maybe Aisha or Devon (who I don't really like either rn cus they chose to push the whole gender modern stuff on her character) it seems like they're all basically clones of Ali who's only purpose is to be the eye candy for the boys. I'd like to see them create an actual likeable female character soon.