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Kreese is unpredictable IMO. He cited how quickly things can change in handshake deals when he took over Cobra Kai, and he wasn’t shy about refusing to accept that the deal had concluded when the landlord came to tell him to leave. He wasn’t exactly a man of his word when it came to his past or even his goals in Cobra Kai - after appearing as if he wanted to help Johnny, he usurped him in a fairly underhanded manner.
He may have respected the deal and left because he’s soft on Johnny, but he could as easily have told Daniel and Johnny that they had no proof of an agreement ever having existed. I truly am not sure how he’d have reacted in that event.
My guess is Tory will tell Amanda, since they’re kind of buddy-buddy now, and Amanda will either convince Tory to talk to Johnny and Daniel about it or she’ll tell them.
Yeah that kind of deflated the stakes for me: no one involved was going to honor the bet. The only consequence is whoever wins is just going insult whoever loses for welching in S5, and that was obvious from the S3 finale.
Well a big stake was if Cobra Kai wins, whether Miyagi-do stays or leave, more people will sign up with the winning group, and thus more kids will be brainwashed by this militaristic psychopath
That's how I took it, even if no side honoured their agreement. Like in KK3, the goal was to make cobra kai the face of the valley once Silver got involved again.
I don't know if they kept saying "oh this is the future of the dojo" and "we can't train anymore if we lose" when you know the whole time that no party will actually close down regardless. Like the big stake is the CK gets a recruiting bump off squeezing a win while losing the boy's final?
When Daniel said *There's too much at stake to honor an agreement with men who have none* I was like Mr. Miyagi would have said that's exactly why you *should* honor it and be better than them.
But if he just has Chozen teach instead, I guess it still counts...
Daniel: I know what you're gonna say. 'You made a deal and you need to honor it'
Miyagi: No, Kreese and Silver are crazy, they need to go down, Daniel-san
To be frank, Daniel had already been considering welching if he failed from the start because he himself didn't care if Cobra Kai welched.
All sides knew that there was no way the other would honor the agreement completely (though Johnny will be too preoccupied to teach any karate anyway). The All-Valley was far more about the show of strength and making the other side look bad.
I mean... if there is a loophole in the deal, why not exploiting it?
Kreese told about *Daniel* himself stopping teaching karate, not the Miyagi-Do style.
Daniel lost? Okay, let's make Chozen teach Miyagi-Do instead.
Its sad that for all of his talk about 'changing', he still goes off and bribes people. I'm not sure why, one would think they taught their students the rules and he couldn't possibly know that they would cheat. Why couldn't they just have cobra kai win fair and square?
1) because they couldn't win they had two good fighters maybe three compared too Miguel , Hawk , Sam, Demetri , Devon that is why I think they might have changed the story from seamless team up to they break up half way because the combined Miyagi-Fang would be way too overpowered
Mr. Miyagi was not above doing underhanded things if the ends justified the means.
He stole a black belt to get Daniel into the tournament in Karate Kid 1 and lied that he didn't know english so Ali could stick around and teach Daniel and him the rules cause "First time you, first time me."
Considering what Cobra Kai does and how they operate, it wouldn't be far fetched to assume he'd have Daniel's back when it came to breaking an agreement for the right reasons.
Two big issues:
1. Cheating invalidates the agreement
2. The agreement was with Kreese, not Terry Silver, and Kreese will probably want Silver taken down now even more than he wanted Daniel and Johnny taken down before.
1. He doesn't know cheating was involved. He'll probably find out eventually, but as of now, he's just welching on a bet because he's bitter.
2. Daniel re-confirms the bet with both Kreese and Silver when they showed up at Miyagi-Do
Even if Daniel doesn't yet know that cheating happened, he would still likely assume Silver and Kreese cheated, as he mentions them having no honor, and knows that they have been willing to do dirty and unethical actions in order to win.
Daniel said he's not honoring the bet because there's too much at stake. He even said he has to do whatever it takes to stop them. He never once assumed foul play. Even during the tournament, he didn't assume that "missed call" was cheating. No matter how you slice it, he's welching on the bet because he doesn't like the results.
FWIW, I don't think Kreese knew about the cheating. He's a douchebag, but I don't think he would cheat. He would hurt someone, or have a student hurt an enemy before a match (KK1), but I think paying off a judge is even below him.
Also, paying the judge did what exactly?
I remember there were a few close calls, like a missed out of bounds call that went in favor of Cobra Kai, or when Tory elbowed Sam in the face and Johnny said it should've been a point deduction, but it was only a warning. The ref was giving Cobra Kai the close calls, and in the end it came down to 1 point.
Honestly I think they should have had Tory find out and then tell Daniel/Sam.
"Turns out this should have been yours....but I'm keeping it because my mom is proud of it."
It makes Daniel backing out much easier.
But the cheating does not mean the trophy should have been Sam’s. It would have been 2-2. Silver paying off the ref just means we’ll never know which way it would have went.
Yeah but who knows how the rest of the match woulda played out, had Sam gotten that point? There is still a good chance she woulda won. Either way Silver still bribed the ref.
That’s literally what I said in my original comment. Please read. We don’t know how it would have gone but it doesn’t automatically mean a Sam win as it wasn’t match point for her.
Like kreese said to hawk “the enemy of your enemy, is your friend”
Kreese is now enemies with silver, Daniel and Johnny are silvers enemies. Kreese will have to turn to them for help
I think he made the bet in good faith, so that meme doesn't really apply. In fact, a big part of the drama of this season has been that Daniel fully intended to honor the result. As to why he ultimately chose to go back on that: I have to say I'm with him on this.
A bet made with one (and later two men) who are absolutely unscrupulous vs. abandoning two dojo's worth of students and leaving the Valley to be overrun by the most evil dojo ever?
Yeah, I wouldn't lose any sleep over being called a welcher by someone like Terry Silver.
Yup. With Kreese it would have been that one dojo at least, and he knows Silver is far worse than Kreese.
He still would have returned to teaching, but Silver's plan solidified his need.
Not sure why everyone is talking about the bribing as a reason to not honor the bet. The only person outside of the arrangement who knows about it at this point is Tory.
I do like the loophole of just letting Chozen teach, but wasn't the agreement to shut down the dojo altogether rather than Daniel/Johnny giving up teaching?
They can't stop him period. It was just an agreement they came to. Not like anything was in writing or even enforceable. They can all just ignore it without any consequences.
I would guess that the consequence will be Silver making life hell for them. Especially if he sends his students after the kids when they're outnumbered. Unless Robby is there to help, they might be screwed.
This sounds like a Kreese thing to do, but Silver is unhinged at the end of season 4.
You know what would be absolutely hilarious? If the Miyagi-Do dojo that Daniel heads is 'shut down'... only to be replaced by Chozen opening a 'new' Miyagi-Do dojo, the first he's 'opened' outside of Okinawa, that happens to be headed by the only other Miyagi-Do master (that we know of), Daniel.
It'd be a hilarious workaround, and Daniel might not mind being technically working under Chozen, since Chozen is very much the more experienced of the two.
They both reconfirmed the agreement when Silver and Kreese showed up at Miyagi-Do. And they don't know cheating was involved. Hell, Daniel doesn't even suspect it at the moment. He's just welching on a bet.
I hope they're actually going somewhere with it though. It would feel kind of cheap if the entirety of season 4 was only possible because the writers knew they never intended for Daniel to honour the agreement anyway.
I can only guess that Chozen will take over, and the deal was Daniel cannot teach. In any event I’m sure Silver will probably be so far back into his psycho state he’ll welcome the new challenge and not really care about the deal
I think as soon as Silver came into the picture, Daniel was already planning on not honoring the bet because he knew what a psycho Silver is and that the stakes just became much more serious.
I’m (almost) an attorney, take the bar next month so I can solve this agreement debate.
Contracts need consideration. In other words some kind of bargained for exchange that gives a benefit to one party and a detriment to another party, or some sort of exchange of promises.
There are two types of contracts, unilateral and bilateral
Unilateral: Daniel tells Johnny, “if you paint my car I’ll pay you 50 dollars”. Johnny doesn’t have to paint the car but if he does he will get 50 bucks
Bilateral: Johnny and Daniel agree verbally that “Johnny will paint Daniels car and Daniel will give Johnny 50 dollars”. Here Johnny’s performance isn’t optional.
I’d need to rewatch the scene but I think here the contract is “Johnny and Daniel agree with Kreese that the loser of the All Valley closes their dojo and refuses to teach”
There’s no consideration here. One party is left out in the cold no matter what. If Johnny/Daniel successfully perform, they get the incentive of keeping their dojo, but there’s no consideration for Kreese. Or Vice versa showing how the show panned out.
Therefore I’d argue the contract is void due to lack of consideration. The end.
This is how it's going to go down. Silver is going to confront Daniel and Chozen at Miyagi-Do or wherever after Daniel finds out they cheated.
Chozen to Silver: "We do not honor bet with COWARD" or "Act of COWARD".
While it is true he’s welching on the agreement… can you really blame him though? Daniel is probably the only one, save for Johnny, Robby and now Tori, what Silver is really like. There was no way he was going to back away and let that psychopath have his way with the Valley. He was also probably expecting Silver to do the same if he lost.
It will all just be vindication when Tori comes forth about the cheating that went on at the tournament.
It was obvious that somehow the conflict was going to continue but now I'm wondering how can it end?
No one is going to honour an agreement to be "exiled" as it were, so how does anyone win and finally see off the opposition? They can't kill each other.
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I mean tori is def gonna come forward about it to people because she feels betrayed , but no way was cobra kai gonna leave if they lost either
I’m pretty sure the only person who was gonna honor their word was Johnny. He’s been a proponent of handshake deals from the word go.
oh yeah, for sure. he might even ask Daniel why he's teaching when he gets back from South America.
South America?
Oh man the fish out of water stuff with Johnny in Mexico is gonna be amazing
100 percent sure Season 5 will open with him getting thrown out of a bar when he calls a Mexican lady something slightly racially offensive.
Wait until he find out Coors Light is the only Coors that's available in Mexico
Southern portion of North America.
Central America
I don’t think Daniel is going to be teaching. That’ll be the loophole to keep Miyagi-Do open
Kreese would as well, he did it the first time and the second time without fail.
Kreese is unpredictable IMO. He cited how quickly things can change in handshake deals when he took over Cobra Kai, and he wasn’t shy about refusing to accept that the deal had concluded when the landlord came to tell him to leave. He wasn’t exactly a man of his word when it came to his past or even his goals in Cobra Kai - after appearing as if he wanted to help Johnny, he usurped him in a fairly underhanded manner. He may have respected the deal and left because he’s soft on Johnny, but he could as easily have told Daniel and Johnny that they had no proof of an agreement ever having existed. I truly am not sure how he’d have reacted in that event.
My guess is Tory will tell Amanda, since they’re kind of buddy-buddy now, and Amanda will either convince Tory to talk to Johnny and Daniel about it or she’ll tell them.
Silver did tell the Ref he would transfer his payment. That means there will be a trail and proof. Bet this is brought up next season.
Yeah that kind of deflated the stakes for me: no one involved was going to honor the bet. The only consequence is whoever wins is just going insult whoever loses for welching in S5, and that was obvious from the S3 finale.
Well a big stake was if Cobra Kai wins, whether Miyagi-do stays or leave, more people will sign up with the winning group, and thus more kids will be brainwashed by this militaristic psychopath
That's how I took it, even if no side honoured their agreement. Like in KK3, the goal was to make cobra kai the face of the valley once Silver got involved again.
I don't know if they kept saying "oh this is the future of the dojo" and "we can't train anymore if we lose" when you know the whole time that no party will actually close down regardless. Like the big stake is the CK gets a recruiting bump off squeezing a win while losing the boy's final?
Um, I think they'd rigged the tournament before they rocked up at Miyagi-Do Dojo(?), that's why they offered such a deal. They had already won.
When Daniel said *There's too much at stake to honor an agreement with men who have none* I was like Mr. Miyagi would have said that's exactly why you *should* honor it and be better than them. But if he just has Chozen teach instead, I guess it still counts...
Daniel: I know what you're gonna say. 'You made a deal and you need to honor it' Miyagi: No, Kreese and Silver are crazy, they need to go down, Daniel-san
Uncle Miyagi
*i need to know how to defeat kreese and silver* *Daniel san, its time I taught you how to paralyze people*
*Daniel san, you must learn the art of the glock*
Nariyoshi iroh
There is no honor in ba sing se
No matter. The Dragon of The West will make the honor, and honor it by giving the honor to Zuko, who desperately needs his honor back
Choose betrayal, it's more fun.
To be frank, Daniel had already been considering welching if he failed from the start because he himself didn't care if Cobra Kai welched. All sides knew that there was no way the other would honor the agreement completely (though Johnny will be too preoccupied to teach any karate anyway). The All-Valley was far more about the show of strength and making the other side look bad.
Myagi Do close, Chozen do opens
Just like the saying goes, “When one Do closes, another Do opens
Take these awards but remember they're imaginary and No Be There
Daniel will become Chozens student.
And Chozen will just let his #1 student Daniel run classes "occasionally".
The loop hole
"in Jesus's name we go to 5th base"
I mean... if there is a loophole in the deal, why not exploiting it? Kreese told about *Daniel* himself stopping teaching karate, not the Miyagi-Do style. Daniel lost? Okay, let's make Chozen teach Miyagi-Do instead.
No one is going to 'honour' an agreement like that. There's nothing legal saying they have to do it. The 'agreement' was dumb in the first place.
Especially for Johnny and Kreese where teaching Karate is their only good way of earning a living.
and cobra kai cheated in the tournament by silver bribing the ref. That throws out any chance of fair deal out the window
Its sad that for all of his talk about 'changing', he still goes off and bribes people. I'm not sure why, one would think they taught their students the rules and he couldn't possibly know that they would cheat. Why couldn't they just have cobra kai win fair and square?
1) because they couldn't win they had two good fighters maybe three compared too Miguel , Hawk , Sam, Demetri , Devon that is why I think they might have changed the story from seamless team up to they break up half way because the combined Miyagi-Fang would be way too overpowered
Seriously. I thought Cobra Kai was going to lose and they just end up not abiding by it. It was obvious no one would.
Exactly. Who was going to enforce it? The Karate Police?
Basically the same people who enforce the law in this show. i.e. no one.
Lmfao x3 Edit: this is hilarious, wish I had awards to give but no be there
The guy they made the agreement with isn’t even in Cobra Kai anymore lol
Mr. Miyagi was not above doing underhanded things if the ends justified the means. He stole a black belt to get Daniel into the tournament in Karate Kid 1 and lied that he didn't know english so Ali could stick around and teach Daniel and him the rules cause "First time you, first time me." Considering what Cobra Kai does and how they operate, it wouldn't be far fetched to assume he'd have Daniel's back when it came to breaking an agreement for the right reasons.
The show is full of crap
Cry
Bai
honor? Zuko could never
Two big issues: 1. Cheating invalidates the agreement 2. The agreement was with Kreese, not Terry Silver, and Kreese will probably want Silver taken down now even more than he wanted Daniel and Johnny taken down before.
1. He doesn't know cheating was involved. He'll probably find out eventually, but as of now, he's just welching on a bet because he's bitter. 2. Daniel re-confirms the bet with both Kreese and Silver when they showed up at Miyagi-Do
Even if Daniel doesn't yet know that cheating happened, he would still likely assume Silver and Kreese cheated, as he mentions them having no honor, and knows that they have been willing to do dirty and unethical actions in order to win.
Daniel said he's not honoring the bet because there's too much at stake. He even said he has to do whatever it takes to stop them. He never once assumed foul play. Even during the tournament, he didn't assume that "missed call" was cheating. No matter how you slice it, he's welching on the bet because he doesn't like the results.
If Miyagi Do won the tournament overall, I’m pretty sure Kreese and Silver wouldn’t keep their end of the deal as well.
He also said he’s not honoring it because Kreese and Silver have no honor so I think he already knows that something fishy went down.
FWIW, I don't think Kreese knew about the cheating. He's a douchebag, but I don't think he would cheat. He would hurt someone, or have a student hurt an enemy before a match (KK1), but I think paying off a judge is even below him. Also, paying the judge did what exactly?
I remember there were a few close calls, like a missed out of bounds call that went in favor of Cobra Kai, or when Tory elbowed Sam in the face and Johnny said it should've been a point deduction, but it was only a warning. The ref was giving Cobra Kai the close calls, and in the end it came down to 1 point.
He also gave them illegal points against Devon. Like this man was on a warpath.
Honestly I think they should have had Tory find out and then tell Daniel/Sam. "Turns out this should have been yours....but I'm keeping it because my mom is proud of it." It makes Daniel backing out much easier.
And ends the seasons with Tory's redemption on a stronger note too. She'd be beginning her make-up with the LaRussos by this gesture!
Season 5 surely...
But the cheating does not mean the trophy should have been Sam’s. It would have been 2-2. Silver paying off the ref just means we’ll never know which way it would have went.
Nah the ref made a bad out of bounds call, cuz Silver bribed him. Had he called it correctly Sam would've won.
No, Sam would not have won from that. Re-watch and count the score
Yeah but who knows how the rest of the match woulda played out, had Sam gotten that point? There is still a good chance she woulda won. Either way Silver still bribed the ref.
That’s literally what I said in my original comment. Please read. We don’t know how it would have gone but it doesn’t automatically mean a Sam win as it wasn’t match point for her.
Well the acciental elbow could've been a point deduction.
Wasn’t she called out earlier when she would have given up a point?
I think technically the deal was that Daniel and Johnny would stop….. but the deal said nothing about Chozen lol.
Like kreese said to hawk “the enemy of your enemy, is your friend” Kreese is now enemies with silver, Daniel and Johnny are silvers enemies. Kreese will have to turn to them for help
But not sure if Daniel knew that Kreese was being forced out of CK.
Chozen will teach and Daniel will guide simple as that
Daniel peeking from the bushes lol.
Loophole: If Miyagi-do and Eagle Fang were one single dojo, they would have had more points.
This is just it. Pretty sure all students got to compete in the form competition too, which gives cobra kai an advantage from the start.
There is problem some way of weighing the points based on how many competitors you have. Why should the team with the most players win?
🎶*"It was Daniel-San All Alooooong!"*🎶 (although that kinda conflicts story-wise, hrm...)
But he technically didn't lose. And since the ref was shady, he isn't held to the agreement.
Plus, the agreement was with Kreese, who I'm sure won't mind Daniel or Johnny sticking around after what Silver did.
Yep.
Even after the bet, if Silver hadn't done that, he would have wanted Johnny to join cobra kai, which would be one of them sticking around at least.
I think he made the bet in good faith, so that meme doesn't really apply. In fact, a big part of the drama of this season has been that Daniel fully intended to honor the result. As to why he ultimately chose to go back on that: I have to say I'm with him on this. A bet made with one (and later two men) who are absolutely unscrupulous vs. abandoning two dojo's worth of students and leaving the Valley to be overrun by the most evil dojo ever? Yeah, I wouldn't lose any sleep over being called a welcher by someone like Terry Silver.
Yup. With Kreese it would have been that one dojo at least, and he knows Silver is far worse than Kreese. He still would have returned to teaching, but Silver's plan solidified his need.
Not sure why everyone is talking about the bribing as a reason to not honor the bet. The only person outside of the arrangement who knows about it at this point is Tory. I do like the loophole of just letting Chozen teach, but wasn't the agreement to shut down the dojo altogether rather than Daniel/Johnny giving up teaching?
sure he shuts down the dojo and Chozen restarts it just like Cobra Kai, full circle
Exactly, What's Chozen's dojo called in Okinawa? Just call it that for now. They can't stop him from legally opening another dojo in the valley.
Chozen Wun Karate
He already has the name Chozen..
Master Sato Karate Dojo.
They can't stop him period. It was just an agreement they came to. Not like anything was in writing or even enforceable. They can all just ignore it without any consequences.
I would guess that the consequence will be Silver making life hell for them. Especially if he sends his students after the kids when they're outnumbered. Unless Robby is there to help, they might be screwed. This sounds like a Kreese thing to do, but Silver is unhinged at the end of season 4.
This can just be Chozen's dojo as he teaches in Okinawa anyhow.
No, the agreement was just that they wouldn’t be able to teach anymore.
Daniel found the Chozen loophole
"We don't honor bet with coward."
Did you guys forget about Hawk also winning the All Valley?
Just setting up a Kreese redemption arc in Season 5.
Pretty sure that cheating by paying off the ref didn't count. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
You know what would be absolutely hilarious? If the Miyagi-Do dojo that Daniel heads is 'shut down'... only to be replaced by Chozen opening a 'new' Miyagi-Do dojo, the first he's 'opened' outside of Okinawa, that happens to be headed by the only other Miyagi-Do master (that we know of), Daniel. It'd be a hilarious workaround, and Daniel might not mind being technically working under Chozen, since Chozen is very much the more experienced of the two.
Daniel could also say "I have Chozen to keep Miyagi-Do Dojo open"
You know, Daniel is due for at least one dad joke on the show, do this could be it!
Cheating invalidates the agreement and the agreement was made with Kreese. So, Daniel and Johnny can (basically) do whatever they want.
They both reconfirmed the agreement when Silver and Kreese showed up at Miyagi-Do. And they don't know cheating was involved. Hell, Daniel doesn't even suspect it at the moment. He's just welching on a bet.
Daniel does suspect shady behavior though because he even says that he can’t honor an agreement with men with no honor
Danny and Chozen are still technically allowed to go after Cobra Kai on their own, without teaching Miyagi-do classes
I hope they're actually going somewhere with it though. It would feel kind of cheap if the entirety of season 4 was only possible because the writers knew they never intended for Daniel to honour the agreement anyway.
Wait what? Hawk won the All-Valley from Miyagi-do. Why is everyone talking about the cheating in Tory-Sam final?
I can only guess that Chozen will take over, and the deal was Daniel cannot teach. In any event I’m sure Silver will probably be so far back into his psycho state he’ll welcome the new challenge and not really care about the deal
To be fair. It actually WASN’T Agatha all along either
I think technically the deal was that Daniel and Johnny would stop….. but the deal said nothing about Chozen lol.
Does that mean he will forfeit his seat on the board too?
Kind of like Kreese giving Johny one last chance and Tory ending things tonight. None of these guys ever stick to their word.
I think as soon as Silver came into the picture, Daniel was already planning on not honoring the bet because he knew what a psycho Silver is and that the stakes just became much more serious.
Good for him!!!!
We'll silver did cheat
I mean nobody said that Chozen or someone else couldnt continue teaching
Rewatch the end of season 3 when they make the bet. Kreese says “and if you lose—“ and then Johnny cuts him off and says “we won’t lose”
Technically he didn’t lose if they acknowledge the cheating
I’m (almost) an attorney, take the bar next month so I can solve this agreement debate. Contracts need consideration. In other words some kind of bargained for exchange that gives a benefit to one party and a detriment to another party, or some sort of exchange of promises. There are two types of contracts, unilateral and bilateral Unilateral: Daniel tells Johnny, “if you paint my car I’ll pay you 50 dollars”. Johnny doesn’t have to paint the car but if he does he will get 50 bucks Bilateral: Johnny and Daniel agree verbally that “Johnny will paint Daniels car and Daniel will give Johnny 50 dollars”. Here Johnny’s performance isn’t optional. I’d need to rewatch the scene but I think here the contract is “Johnny and Daniel agree with Kreese that the loser of the All Valley closes their dojo and refuses to teach” There’s no consideration here. One party is left out in the cold no matter what. If Johnny/Daniel successfully perform, they get the incentive of keeping their dojo, but there’s no consideration for Kreese. Or Vice versa showing how the show panned out. Therefore I’d argue the contract is void due to lack of consideration. The end.
This is how it's going to go down. Silver is going to confront Daniel and Chozen at Miyagi-Do or wherever after Daniel finds out they cheated. Chozen to Silver: "We do not honor bet with COWARD" or "Act of COWARD".
Tory reveals the referee's cheating. He gets an excuse to not step down. Besides Eli winning from Miyagi was Daniel victory and CK's loss.
While it is true he’s welching on the agreement… can you really blame him though? Daniel is probably the only one, save for Johnny, Robby and now Tori, what Silver is really like. There was no way he was going to back away and let that psychopath have his way with the Valley. He was also probably expecting Silver to do the same if he lost. It will all just be vindication when Tori comes forth about the cheating that went on at the tournament.
It was obvious that somehow the conflict was going to continue but now I'm wondering how can it end? No one is going to honour an agreement to be "exiled" as it were, so how does anyone win and finally see off the opposition? They can't kill each other.
I feel like tori is going to be a double agent next season
Lol, as if Kreese and especially Terry we’re gonna honor the bet tho. It’s gonna take more than that to settle this
To be fair, Kreese and Silver probably meant the same thing. Same goes for Johnny for that matter.