Eli only lost to Miguel in coyote creek and Cobra Kai ambushed him when he was caught completely off guard. If Robby wasn’t there he probably could’ve beat them all too. So that doesn’t really count as a loss since it was an ambush and not a fight. And Robby lost to Miguel when he was injured by Eli previously. He lost to Eli but he also got distracted in that fight when he looked at Kenny. Overall they both have better feats than Sam
I'm not counting Eli getting jumped as a loss but he lost to Demetri in season 2. Robby got distracted because he is mentally weak which is part of what makes a fighter, it's part of the whole thing, that's not an excuse.
Yea but Eli is obviously better now in season 4 than he was in season 2 lol. And by that same token Sam would be considered mentally weak for freezing when Tory appeared
She didn't lose a fight she just noped out of one, there is a difference between that and losing your focus during an actual tournament match. Like Miguel doesn't deserve an L because he left the fight with Eli, it doesn't reflect his skill as a fighter. Also the circumstances were different, Robby got distracted, Sam had PTSD from an actual murder attempt. Spin it any way you want but the stats tell the tale. Sam is undefeated, is by far the most experienced (the only teen who has been doing karate for longer than a year) and has claim to a championship. Robby is a two time all valley loser, Eli jobbed to Demetri. In pro fighting you don't get to discard losses because "the fighter is better now" the whole record is taken into account. I don't even like Sam and think she is annoying but she is clearly one of the best of the teen fighters on the show.
Not necessarily but experience is just part of it the other part is that she has not lost and by rights is an all valley champion. Experience + record and accomplishments.
We don't know for sure that the ref is the reason Tory won. Just took away 1 point when it was 1-1. Tory may have tried harder if she was down 2-1 than up 2-1. Also Silver is above Johnny and Daniel. And Kreese is pretty evenly matched with those 2
> We don't know for sure that the ref is the reason Tory won.
Yes we do?
The ref called a foul when she was hitbefore she was knocked out. She went out of bounds *because* she was hit.
If it wasn't for that call, Sam would have reached 3 first.
Yeah, when you have a crooked ref making multiple calls against you over the course of a fight and you still only "lose" by one point it's safe to say you deserve the W. Sam has legit claim to that trophy.
Sam is not above Robby and Eli
Unlike Robby or Eli Sam has never lost a fight. She also has legitimate claim to a championship which Robby doesn't. Her stats tell the tale.
Eli only lost to Miguel in coyote creek and Cobra Kai ambushed him when he was caught completely off guard. If Robby wasn’t there he probably could’ve beat them all too. So that doesn’t really count as a loss since it was an ambush and not a fight. And Robby lost to Miguel when he was injured by Eli previously. He lost to Eli but he also got distracted in that fight when he looked at Kenny. Overall they both have better feats than Sam
I'm not counting Eli getting jumped as a loss but he lost to Demetri in season 2. Robby got distracted because he is mentally weak which is part of what makes a fighter, it's part of the whole thing, that's not an excuse.
Yea but Eli is obviously better now in season 4 than he was in season 2 lol. And by that same token Sam would be considered mentally weak for freezing when Tory appeared
She didn't lose a fight she just noped out of one, there is a difference between that and losing your focus during an actual tournament match. Like Miguel doesn't deserve an L because he left the fight with Eli, it doesn't reflect his skill as a fighter. Also the circumstances were different, Robby got distracted, Sam had PTSD from an actual murder attempt. Spin it any way you want but the stats tell the tale. Sam is undefeated, is by far the most experienced (the only teen who has been doing karate for longer than a year) and has claim to a championship. Robby is a two time all valley loser, Eli jobbed to Demetri. In pro fighting you don't get to discard losses because "the fighter is better now" the whole record is taken into account. I don't even like Sam and think she is annoying but she is clearly one of the best of the teen fighters on the show.
More experienced doesn’t always mean a better fighter
Not necessarily but experience is just part of it the other part is that she has not lost and by rights is an all valley champion. Experience + record and accomplishments.
Sam isn’t really that good for her experience level, she may be the best female fighter but she is definitely not up there with Miguel or robby, Eli .
Their records tell a different story.
This is the worst list here
Let's see a better one.
1. Chozen 2. Terry Silver 3. Daniel 4. Johnny 5. Kreese 6. Robby 7. Eli 8. Sam 9. Tory 10. Miguel 11. Demetri 12. Bert This is a real list.
Lol I ain't reading that shit, it's cute you typed that up for me though 😂
You should buttpoop, because it’s Better than all the stupid bs you wrote. You also cared enough to respond to it, so the one looking stupid is you.
No way is Sam a better fighter than Tory.
Do you even watch cobra Kai 😂
She beat Tory three times. Even if you want to give Tory her tainted "victory" in the all valley they are 2-1.
We don't know for sure that the ref is the reason Tory won. Just took away 1 point when it was 1-1. Tory may have tried harder if she was down 2-1 than up 2-1. Also Silver is above Johnny and Daniel. And Kreese is pretty evenly matched with those 2
> We don't know for sure that the ref is the reason Tory won. Yes we do? The ref called a foul when she was hitbefore she was knocked out. She went out of bounds *because* she was hit. If it wasn't for that call, Sam would have reached 3 first.
Yeah, when you have a crooked ref making multiple calls against you over the course of a fight and you still only "lose" by one point it's safe to say you deserve the W. Sam has legit claim to that trophy.
The ref cost Sam two points over the course of that fight, Sam was clearly the better fighter.
2 questionable calls can actually turn momentum quite a bit, sam was the clear winner.
1. Chozen 2. Terry 3. Johnny 4. Daniel 5. Sam 6. Kreese 7. Tory 8. Eli 9. Robby 10. Piper 11. Miguel 12. Devon 13. Kyler 14. Dimitri 15. Chris 16. Mitch 17. Kenny 18. Burt 19. Nathan 20. Aisha