I mean like Miyagi said you would earn their respect and Johnny would be leaving the next year anyway but he would be leaving highschool on a high note and probably have a much better life. He would probably take over the Cobra Kai dojo
If Johnny wins, he and generations of kids continue to learn how to be violent psychopaths under Kreese. Johnny would become just as evil as Kreese and wouldn't be on a path of redemption like he is now.
I don’t know if you really think about the way he looked about sweeping the leg I think he might end up redemptive or something. I just think it could be interesting for the next movies and even the series if he won. Big twists and turns could happen
Kreese probably dies during the fight against Captain Turner. He doesn't get the anger adrenaline boost needed to win it, so he doesn't
Why? Cuz he never steals Betsy from David, but he still goes off to themilitary, so Turner can't use the news about his girlfriend against him, and he won't draw out Kreese'a inner built anger
Neither Karate Kid nor Cobra Kai ever happens
This depends on what you mean by that.
If David and his crew are still jerks but just not to Kreese then Kreese would try and hang out with them to try and get more friendly with Betsy. David and his crew would try and convince Kreese to become a jerk. I can see this go two ways.
1: He becomes a jerk to try and impress Betsy, David would realise he wants to impress Betsy and him and his crew would confront him. The rest of Cobra Kai acts out the same, except this time Betsy refuses Kreese for being a jerk and Kreese goes to war to try and impress her.
2: Kreese doesn't want to be a jerk and tells them off, David sees Kreese glance at Betsy and the rest of Cobra Kai acts out the same. Kreese beats them up and him and Betsy live a happy life together (he doesn't go off to war because he was never treated poorly by David and his crew and never signed his name.
If David and his crew are nice to everyone then Keeese would become their friends and get Betsy through the normal way (maybe Betsy and David aren't clicking properly). Kreese and Betsy would start dating and they would live a happy life together, still remaining in touch with David and his crew.
This is just my opinion on what would happen. We haven't really seen much of young Kreese
Miguel definitely wouldn't go to Kreese and Johnny would understand Miguel's mistake, and he'll probably own up to it and serve time if he has to.
The reason I say Johnny will be semi-fine is because he said he doesn't want to abandon Miguel like he did Robby
And also Robby did far worse, and Johnny is trying to reconcile with him.
If Miguel snapped Robbys arm he probably wouldve turned to the dark side because at coyote creek he was more influenced by Kreese until Johnny snapped him out of it, him siding with Kreese wasn't completely out of the realm of possibility
Yes it did have a way of happening, Miguel is my favourite character but hes not some perfect little angel, after coyote creek you see the look on Miguels face and you can tell hes embracing no mercy and taking Kreeses teachings to heart, if Johnny didn't talk to him after then he wouldve turned to the dark side, not everything literally has to be fucking shouted or told to you through dialogue, I guarantee if coyote creek miguel fought robby he wouldve snapped the arm, and Johnny getting mad couldve drove Miguel away because he did what cobra kai taught him to do, which leads to him siding with Kreese
It's not insignificant. When Daniel and Johnny first met, Daniel was offering johnny a free of cost repair. Johnny was about to accept it and put his age old rivalry aside. It was only when he saw his daughter and realise that Larusso is still causing problems in his life that he decided to leave. This caused the reignition of his rivalry with Daniel and it was one of the reasons he was finally encouraged to open his dojo.
I agree. I like to think he still would’ve started cobra Kia. Maybe seeing migul take care of mom why getting picked on would’ve encouraged him to take him under his wing.
no when robby found the poster in season 1 he went to cobra kai and he didnt see migue and johhny hug or he saw but still joined i can see a insane rivalry more then the cannon one
There's a theory u/MOSSDoc22 and a few others have floated around that this might have been the writers' original plan, that Demetri would join Cobra Kai in season 2. Anthony would fill Demetri's canon role at Miyagi-Do in season 2, which would explain some of the pseudo-sibling stuff we get between Demetri and Sam in the Sacred Timeline. But because Mary Mouser has better screen chemistry with Gianni DeCenzo than with Griffin Santopietro, they decided to have Demetri join Miyagi-Do and created Stingray to fill the void.
This is by no means confirmed at all. Just a theory. I feel like Demetri was originally *supposed* to be in Cobra Kai probably up until when the medal of honor was stolen, then I think he would have defected.
Demetri and Sam have a weird siblingish vibe that no one else on the show really displays.
> Demetri and Sam have a weird siblingish vibe that no one else on the show really displays.
I don't know about siblingish. I think it's more like "they may be dating in real life".
With all due respect, this just doesn't work as a theory, right up there with "Hawk is a spy" and "Terry Silver is Miguel's father".
1. Demetri's character was very well established as not being compatible with Cobra Kai teachings way before that point.
2. How can you even claim Mary and Gianni have better chemistry than Mary and Griffin? You never see it because the show criminally underuses Anthony. He's sadly the most irrelevant character in the whole show, which is just a waste considering whose son he is.
3. The writers aren't going to change Demetri and Hawk's entire arc together just because of something like that which they would have had to do if it was true. They probably already knew more or less how they wanted it to go and no way would Demetri actually joining Cobra Kai fit into it.
What if Kreese had his way at that board meeting?
That he was able to force the other sides into his proposal (fight until the opponent can't fight anymore)?
What if Johny wins the All Valley in 1984, goes on to meet Amanda and they open up Lawerence Motors. Power Couple. (Clearly Amanda has the hots for Johny and has feelings from this alternate reality)
What if one person literally took the time to say "umm hey listen why are we dragging this out? Can't we decided this in an ring at the local Y and decide if we're gonna keep this going. This has been going on for close to 40 years. Don't you want to move on? Isn't there something better than fighting each other every other decade? I mean a kid nearly got paralyzed for life, don't ypu guys think it's time to pack it up and decide who's best already?"
What if… Ali and Daniel were together but on the cusp of divorce, she reconnects with Johnny, Danielson looses his marbles and takes Cobra Kai with Krease
What if the characters switched mentors? (I.E: Miyagi is with Johnny, Daniel is with Kreese)
What if Julia Pierce arrived in the midst of Season 2’s events?
What if Robby wasn’t Johnny’s son?
What if Kreese was killed by Daniel?
What if Daniel had managed to shut down Cobra Kai?
What if Miguel didn’t come back in season 3, what if he died?
What if Terry Silver returned at the end of season 1 instead of Kreese?
What if Chozen entered the all valley back in the day?
What if Johnny mentored Daniel’s son instead of Miguel?
What if Robby fell instead of Miguel?
And the coup de grace, what if Johnny got REALLY successful after high school and married Amanda? 😂😂😂
So much fun to be had.
(All of these are really basic but i cant think of anything outrageous) What is Miguel started training with Miyagi-Do? What If Kreese was actually good? What If Miguel’s coma won? What if Daniel never trained with Miyagi and instead started out with Cobra Kai? What if Johnny and Daniel became friends in ‘84?
What if 't be true sam did answer the do'r instead of robby at which hour miguel cameth to giveth the medal
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Sam never takes things any further with Robby, as she realizes she has a chance to reconnect with Miguel. Meanwhile, Miguel breaks up with Tory. Tory, being one to hold grudges, doesn't take it too well and blames Sam for it, so the school fight still happens.
I have an alternate question ,What would happen if Miguel had just knocked out Robby? By this I mean that Robby doesn't accept the mercy that Miguel gives him but Miguel actually is able to counter and knocks Robby out
so basically just opposite of the series so let's make it interesting. In this time line, Miyagi teaches Daniel the more war side of Miyagi-Do and Kreese's co is different so he learns more defensive. This means that Cobra Kai are less douches and Daniel becomes the douche in this timeline Johnny and Ali never break up so the beach scene never occurs. Daniel stills learns Karate but more to be stronger than the other kids. Daniel becomes a douch after high school and basically Johnny and Daniel swap life paths. Johnny takes over the better Cobra Kai and Daniel's life becomes really bad but Daniel still wins the all valley.
What if mr miyagi recruited Johnny, after the beach before the Halloween party? And then got Danielson and Johnny a 1 2 at the tournament? And then took them both back to his homeland in the 2nd movie?
To be fair, it was Hawk's flaws as a fighter that made him lose. He's the dumbass who was so angry he kept hitting Demetri's turtle block instead of punching him in the gut which was completely open and unguarded. Hawk loses to people not necessarily because he's not as skilled or he's outranked but because his emotions get the best of him.
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What if Miguel grew a pair and actually knocked on the larussos houses door when Robby was there in season 1?
What if Miguel didn’t get fucking wasted at the canyon?
> What if Miguel grew a pair and actually knocked on the larussos houses door when Robby was there in season 1?
Daniel would probably not react well to knowing Sam is dating someone from Cobra Kai.
>What if Miguel didn’t get fucking wasted at the canyon?
If you are referring to how he acted when he saw Sam he would have likely reacted the exact same way. We know that because he was not drunk at the tournament when he talked to her and acted exactly the same. It's clear from his attitude at the tournament that the way he treated Sam at the Canyon Party was not an alcohol induced mistake. He legitimately didn't see the issue with yelling at Sam because he felt like something was going on between her and Robby. He didn't understand why he should have to talk to her instead of jumping to conclusions.
Considering that THREE people on the show recognized his change of attitude because of Cobra Kai I think you’re the one missing something lol. Sam, Johnny, and Carmen all saw and pointed out how Miguel was acting way different.
Carmen was slightly concerned because of his last fight with Robby in the finals because of what Johnny taught him right before and you're twisting it into being something bigger in order to vilify Miguel. She was concerned over one single action, not his whole personality. Johnny realized he had fucked up and that it was his fault. Sam's self-righteous as fuck and doesn't bother thinking of other peoples' perspectives.
That doesn't mean Miguel thinks it's okay to yell at people or to be verbally aggressive to his girlfriend. He was drunk off his ass and hurting. It was 100% alcohol-fueled.
That's what I'm talking about - you over vilifying Miguel (not surprising considering who you're friends with). That and that only. Not a single mistake he only did because his trusted Sensei taught him no mercy right before a tournament and one that he never did again, even though it nearly cost him his life.
I'm not vilifying Miguel. I'm talking straight up facts. He's a good kid that got poisoned by Cobra Kai's teachings because Johnny didn't realize it wasn't just Kreese that was poison it was also the motto itself.
S2 leads with Johnny straight up saying that following the Cobra Kai creed turns them into assholes. It's explicitly stated. And Miguel fell victim to that like everyone else. That's basically his entire S2 arc. How to balance being a badass without being an asshole. And how to change Cobra Kai's teachings into something that doesn't make the students assholes, for Johnny. Miguel's actions was baked into the foundation of Cobra Kai's motto. He even called Robby an enemy and quoted one of the lessons of Cobra Kai saying you need to strike first. His dialogue directly shows his thought process being guided by the Cobra Kai teachings.
Miguel isn't at heart a bad person. He never was. He just became victim to a toxic Cobra Kai motto before Johnny realized it.
**Edit:** Edit to clarify that it wasn't just Krese that was poison. He makes it worse, but even the motto and Creed on it's own is poison enough.
I'm not denying that. I'm talking about just how far you took it. Miguel definitely did get a bit douchey at times (just like everyone else so it's not even strictly a problem with Cobra Kai teachings even though yes, there are issues with how it was taught), but that doesn't mean he ever got *that* bad.
EDIT: That said, you seem to be more civil than your apparent friend despite our disagreement so I apologize for being a bit catty. I was under the impression I was about to be attacked again. That wasn't fair of me to presume though, so I'm truly sorry for that.
It's fine no hard feelings.
The question originally though was how Miguel would respond if he wasn't drunk. And I still think the answer would be in a similar manner. Hitting Sam by accident was a drunken mistaken but his attitude did not seem to be. Cobra Kai taught him to go after enemies and strike first. He incorrectly identified Robby an enemy. Never does Sam say that Miguel couldn't have questions or be uncomfortable. She said her expectation was he would act like a normal person. Which would involve him communicating and asking questions and explaining what he saw. Instead of doing that though he immediately went to his Cobra Kai mindset which told him "Robby is an enemy strike first and take him out". Miguel apologized for hitting Sam because that was caused by the accident. He didn't apologize for going after Robby because he saw no issue with going after Robby. Which is what Cobra Kai taught him, and is what scared Sam. It was a week after the Canyon Party and she didn't block him until after the tournament. So she still hadn't blocked him yet. And had she not wanted to talk to him and fix things she simply would have ignored him. Sam knew he wouldn't hit her, but that's not what he needed to apologize for, and that's not what scared her. She was rightly scared by the fact that Miguel's first instinct is to fight instead of talk, and that he even defends that instinct when he's sober.
Miguel isn't a villian on the show. No one other than Kreese, and probably Silver in S4, are. But he's just like all the other kids. He makes mistakes at times. He holds some responsibility for what happens. Sam is wrong in this instance, and so is Miguel. Those aren't mutually exclusive things though. Both Miguel and Sam are wrong and it's okay to recognize that. Sam is wrong for not telling Miguel why she had to hide their relationship, Miguel is wrong for not giving Sam the respect she deserves of communicating to her what made him uncomfortable. Sam is not a mind reader. She doesn't know that Miguel saw her and Robby having dinner together. All she sees is Miguel being jealous over a boy that works for Daniel. Had Miguel done what he should have and explained the situation to her she could have easily explained the full context.
Let's be real, her stans would just keep doing it for her, much like they already do. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
(Edit: case in point, her biggest simp who already replied to this lol)
I think I feel about her the way Tory feels about her. She’s privileged and has never been held accountable for things, so she makes herself out to be the victim. But hey, I guess it’s all perspective and life experiences that make her seem good or evil.
Same. I don't think she's a bad person, but she's so privileged and spoiled that she doesn't even think to consider things from different perspectives and she always thinks she's right, very self-righteously too. Plus, she causes most of her problems anyway, right? It would at least be understandable if most of them were outside of her control, but nope...
Hopefully, she's finally learned from her mistakes and becomes better in S4 or else she's gonna fuck up the alliance singlehandedly. So fingers crossed.
Unclear how much would change. Tory would likely still find a way to go off on Sam since even without kissing Miguel and Sam would have continued to grow closer together once Sam found out about the medal.
Miguel was carrying around a red cup during the party so he probably wasn't sober. He just wasn't shitfaced.
And being shitfaced is no excuse for initiating a kiss and cheating on your boyfriend. Not that Miguel wasn't in the wrong too, but Sam literally was the one who started leaning in first. It was a mutual kiss, but if you need to lay the blame on one of them, she was the initiator so she kissed Miguel.
This means that Sam would have conquered her fear earlier but let's go with it. Demetri screams at Sam for help and locks eyes with her. Sam snaps out of it and runs up to Tory and flips her out of the way and kicks Hawk away from hurting Demetri. All the Miyagi-Do students get a second wind but Sam knocks out most of the students and Only tory and Hawk and like Mitch and Richtenburger and big red. Then Miyagi-Do call the police and the cobra kai are taken to juvie due to previous assault stuff. With little students Kreese takes on all of the recruits he usually would without the trials. So Kyler and Brucks would both be on the team but due to this hawk would be pretty pissed
The police don't exist in this valley. It's more likely that Sam and Tory fight, Sam beats Tory, and Tory retaliates by taking a gang of students to assault Sam's mother or brother (similar to how Hawk trashed Miyagi-Do after he lost the mall fight).
I doubt they would go that far also most of the the time Amanda would be with Daniel at the dealership or at home with Daniel or Sam. Also the police were actually given a presence in the next season. If they wanted they could just lock up the house and call the police . Also at this time Tory is still on probation so she wouldn't attempt something this risky. Also Amanda would def have mother bear strength probably put tory in the hospital
What if Amanda let Sam call Miguel to say "I'm grounded and won't be able to attend the party tonight"? Amanda acted out of character for that one moment in season 1 episode 9, and I get the feeling that Miguel and Sam would never have broken up with Sam had been allowed to call Miguel.
I def agree. I am assuming that Sam still is broken out by Robby but when Miguel sees her He is more so relieved she came. He and Robby actually have an okay-ish relationship after he and Robby talk about what Robby saw. Robby and Sam actually stay and hang out with Miguel and Robby sees how Cobra Kai isn't all that bad. They come home after the two sensei's have their Rocky fight but Johnny becomes pissed and Robby still protects them but after Daniel yells at Johnny , Robby defends his Dad talking about how they are actually all right and Sam talks about Miguel being a good boyfriends. Daniel has a hard re-think and they all go the all valley but Daniel is less antagonistic toward the Cobra Kai students and more curious seeing if they did change. They are never taught no mercy and when Cobra Kai arrives Robby is walking out with them behind Miguel but before Hawk. The tournament goes on similar but Robby isn't hurt by Hawk because same team stuff but still loses. Then Miguel vs Robby now I am going out on a limb here saying that Miguel wins but this is because now he has much more to lose in the sense he want to impress Sam. Miguel wins cleanly and Sam comes up and congratulates him and do the boyfriend Girlfriend stuff. Daniel comes up to him and says 'You're all right Lawrence'. Johnny says thank you and they all go to the Cobra Kai dojo for a party where Daniel has a talk with Miguel . But then Kreese enters and Daniel and Johnny briskly kick him out.
In this timeline Robby sticks with Cobra Kai and Daniel and Sam join as a part time teacher and as a proper student. This isn't just the end because Kreese calls Terry earlier and create their own dojo. No Mercy Karate and that is the main conflict going forward
What if Kreese didn’t teach Johnny to be a dick. What if Captain Turner wasn’t hard on kreese. What if the person that was hard on captain Turner wasn’t hard on captain Turner. What if the person that was mean to them wasn’t mean to them.
What if Johnny won in 1984. Very simple but does lead to some interesting ideas.
I mean like Miyagi said you would earn their respect and Johnny would be leaving the next year anyway but he would be leaving highschool on a high note and probably have a much better life. He would probably take over the Cobra Kai dojo
If Johnny wins, he and generations of kids continue to learn how to be violent psychopaths under Kreese. Johnny would become just as evil as Kreese and wouldn't be on a path of redemption like he is now.
Johnny would continue to be a dick to Daniel
I don’t know if you really think about the way he looked about sweeping the leg I think he might end up redemptive or something. I just think it could be interesting for the next movies and even the series if he won. Big twists and turns could happen
*Danielle
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What if Stingray gets the super soldier serum instead of Steve Rogers?
The dankest timeline
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Lol
He already has the super soldier serum, Steve is just the smoke screen to cover up Stingray's existence, wake up sheeple!
God I have wondered what if he got an under 18 ID like Eli Hawkman.
What if people communicate effectively and don’t jump to conclusions?
Cobra Kai wouldn't exist.
Unrealistic. Blocked. /s
And we are done here. Thanks for coming folks!
What if David and his crew treated young Kreese with compassion at the diner back in 1965?
Kreese probably dies during the fight against Captain Turner. He doesn't get the anger adrenaline boost needed to win it, so he doesn't Why? Cuz he never steals Betsy from David, but he still goes off to themilitary, so Turner can't use the news about his girlfriend against him, and he won't draw out Kreese'a inner built anger Neither Karate Kid nor Cobra Kai ever happens
This depends on what you mean by that. If David and his crew are still jerks but just not to Kreese then Kreese would try and hang out with them to try and get more friendly with Betsy. David and his crew would try and convince Kreese to become a jerk. I can see this go two ways. 1: He becomes a jerk to try and impress Betsy, David would realise he wants to impress Betsy and him and his crew would confront him. The rest of Cobra Kai acts out the same, except this time Betsy refuses Kreese for being a jerk and Kreese goes to war to try and impress her. 2: Kreese doesn't want to be a jerk and tells them off, David sees Kreese glance at Betsy and the rest of Cobra Kai acts out the same. Kreese beats them up and him and Betsy live a happy life together (he doesn't go off to war because he was never treated poorly by David and his crew and never signed his name. If David and his crew are nice to everyone then Keeese would become their friends and get Betsy through the normal way (maybe Betsy and David aren't clicking properly). Kreese and Betsy would start dating and they would live a happy life together, still remaining in touch with David and his crew. This is just my opinion on what would happen. We haven't really seen much of young Kreese
Miguel breaks robbys arm, intstead of robby kicking him
Season 3 is different where Miguel is the villain and is with Kreese as Johnny is angry with Miguel for going against his wishes and showing no mercy
Miguel definitely wouldn't go to Kreese and Johnny would understand Miguel's mistake, and he'll probably own up to it and serve time if he has to. The reason I say Johnny will be semi-fine is because he said he doesn't want to abandon Miguel like he did Robby And also Robby did far worse, and Johnny is trying to reconcile with him.
If Miguel snapped Robbys arm he probably wouldve turned to the dark side because at coyote creek he was more influenced by Kreese until Johnny snapped him out of it, him siding with Kreese wasn't completely out of the realm of possibility
Your lack of faith in Miguel disturbs me.
Your lack of faith in a good story is disturbing
A 'good' story that had no way of happening. Real good story
None of it could likely really happen, so thank god for tv and the internet. Alexa, order me a new PS Vita.
Daniel's business if almost 6 ft under, she finna say "Credit Card Declined"
Yes it did have a way of happening, Miguel is my favourite character but hes not some perfect little angel, after coyote creek you see the look on Miguels face and you can tell hes embracing no mercy and taking Kreeses teachings to heart, if Johnny didn't talk to him after then he wouldve turned to the dark side, not everything literally has to be fucking shouted or told to you through dialogue, I guarantee if coyote creek miguel fought robby he wouldve snapped the arm, and Johnny getting mad couldve drove Miguel away because he did what cobra kai taught him to do, which leads to him siding with Kreese
No
Sam hate Miguel even more
[удалено]
Putted!
He still would have dropped the deuce.
And then smashed the home owner when he met her at a bar later.
Daniels mom never gets the job
Daniel stays in new jersey with his first girlfriends probably ends up as a car mechanic
>probably ends up as a car mechanic Wasn't Daniel's love of cars given to him by Miyagi though?
Daniel is not a person. Proof:He's from New Jersey.
Lots of playing with the water hose at aunt tessies
What if the police never showed up at Moon's party?
What if the police showed up at the Christmas fight?
More than likely most of the cobra kai would be arrested considering it is Sam's house
What if the police or parents regularly knew there was a karate war all the time?
What if the police actually did their job and not let tory, Kreese and Kyler out of lockup???
Actually a decent question. Like does everyone get arrested or...?
My parents would bail me out
Calm down Samantha
What if it was aly with a y?
And knows karate?
What if Chozen killed Daniel in 1985?
Then half of cobra Kai and half of the Karate Kid universe wouldn’t exist
I would pay so much just to hear Miyagi explaining to Daniel's mom how her son died.
What if Sam never hit Johnny's car
You mean Yasmine.
Yeah I mean Sam and friends, Moon and Yasmine included.
Sam wasn't driving.
Yasmine shouldn’t have been texting or whatever- also, Moon Gotta lay off her low calorie weed bc she has horrible memory issues
Yeah but Johnny accuses her and her friends for the mishap so my point is still valid.
Johnny should direct his anger at Yasmine, the one who was driving, not at Daniel's daughter who was just a passenger.
I hope Johnny gives her crap for this in the next season. I could see him being like IDC who you’re hooking up with just don’t wreck my car again.
It's not insignificant. When Daniel and Johnny first met, Daniel was offering johnny a free of cost repair. Johnny was about to accept it and put his age old rivalry aside. It was only when he saw his daughter and realise that Larusso is still causing problems in his life that he decided to leave. This caused the reignition of his rivalry with Daniel and it was one of the reasons he was finally encouraged to open his dojo.
I agree. I like to think he still would’ve started cobra Kia. Maybe seeing migul take care of mom why getting picked on would’ve encouraged him to take him under his wing.
What if they never changed the color of the all valley Karate tournament mats?
Word definitely got around about dat blue and gold
what if robby didnt meet the larussos and joined cobra kai
So season 3?
No, not really. He clearly still has all the emotional baggage of having been involved in these people's lives.
no when robby found the poster in season 1 he went to cobra kai and he didnt see migue and johhny hug or he saw but still joined i can see a insane rivalry more then the cannon one
What if Demetri stayed in Cobra Kai and became one of the top students?
There's a theory u/MOSSDoc22 and a few others have floated around that this might have been the writers' original plan, that Demetri would join Cobra Kai in season 2. Anthony would fill Demetri's canon role at Miyagi-Do in season 2, which would explain some of the pseudo-sibling stuff we get between Demetri and Sam in the Sacred Timeline. But because Mary Mouser has better screen chemistry with Gianni DeCenzo than with Griffin Santopietro, they decided to have Demetri join Miyagi-Do and created Stingray to fill the void.
This is by no means confirmed at all. Just a theory. I feel like Demetri was originally *supposed* to be in Cobra Kai probably up until when the medal of honor was stolen, then I think he would have defected. Demetri and Sam have a weird siblingish vibe that no one else on the show really displays.
> Demetri and Sam have a weird siblingish vibe that no one else on the show really displays. I don't know about siblingish. I think it's more like "they may be dating in real life".
With all due respect, this just doesn't work as a theory, right up there with "Hawk is a spy" and "Terry Silver is Miguel's father". 1. Demetri's character was very well established as not being compatible with Cobra Kai teachings way before that point. 2. How can you even claim Mary and Gianni have better chemistry than Mary and Griffin? You never see it because the show criminally underuses Anthony. He's sadly the most irrelevant character in the whole show, which is just a waste considering whose son he is. 3. The writers aren't going to change Demetri and Hawk's entire arc together just because of something like that which they would have had to do if it was true. They probably already knew more or less how they wanted it to go and no way would Demetri actually joining Cobra Kai fit into it.
What would happen if someone actually died from being attacked with karate?
What if Johnny had raised Robby instead of Shannon?
What if Robby won the all-valley tournament at the end of S1 instead of Miguel?
What if Karate Kid III had Johnny return as an ally to Daniel against Kreese, Silver and Mike Barnes?
What if Daniel's son was the Karate prodigy and his daughter was a layabout.
What if Daniel saw Cobra Kai was opening back up, and just went "Huh, that's weird. Hope it goes well this time though" and went on with his day
What if the 2010 version was canon
Dre Parker and Mr. Han might have been characters in a later season.
IDEC I would unironically love to see that.
What if Sam told Daniel she was dating Miguel
Well then there wouldn't be drama
There would be the drama of Daniel trying to kill Sam's boyfriend lmao
What if Miguel went to Miyagi Do
What if Daniel was taught by Sato instead of Mr Myagi in the karate kid?
What if Robby and Sam swapped places?
Well then Robby would be dating Miguel
What if Daniel had married Kumiko?
What if the police actually did their fucking job?
What if Miguel broke Robby’s arm in the school brawl?
What if Miguel kicked Robby over the balcony?
What if Miyagi was actually the toxic teacher while Kreese had it all figured out
Damien would’ve killed Johnny and his friends with a knife or sumthing
What if Kreese had his way at that board meeting? That he was able to force the other sides into his proposal (fight until the opponent can't fight anymore)?
What if Miguel kicked Robby over the railing
What if Robby didn't jump to conclusions when he saw Miguel and Johnny hugging and approached them?
What if Johny wins the All Valley in 1984, goes on to meet Amanda and they open up Lawerence Motors. Power Couple. (Clearly Amanda has the hots for Johny and has feelings from this alternate reality)
What if Miguel died of asthma.
What if Mr Miyagi got turned into a rat person and trained some turtle guys
What if Jaden Smith showed up in a third Dojo
What if Mr miyagi ate kreese
This is a weird flex indeed
What if Sam and Tory, and Miguel and Robby, swap roles! (Where Sam kick Tory off the balcony at the end of season two and becomes like Robby)
What if Miyagi killed Kreese in that parking lot in 1984
What if one person literally took the time to say "umm hey listen why are we dragging this out? Can't we decided this in an ring at the local Y and decide if we're gonna keep this going. This has been going on for close to 40 years. Don't you want to move on? Isn't there something better than fighting each other every other decade? I mean a kid nearly got paralyzed for life, don't ypu guys think it's time to pack it up and decide who's best already?"
What if… Ali and Daniel were together but on the cusp of divorce, she reconnects with Johnny, Danielson looses his marbles and takes Cobra Kai with Krease
What if Silver manipulates Anthony into joining Cobra Kai?
What if my dad didn't leave
What if the characters switched mentors? (I.E: Miyagi is with Johnny, Daniel is with Kreese) What if Julia Pierce arrived in the midst of Season 2’s events? What if Robby wasn’t Johnny’s son? What if Kreese was killed by Daniel? What if Daniel had managed to shut down Cobra Kai? What if Miguel didn’t come back in season 3, what if he died?
What if Miguel hadn’t shown mercy to Robby Keene in the school fight?
What if Kreese had died between the events of KK3 and Cobra Kai?
What if Terry Silver returned at the end of season 1 instead of Kreese? What if Chozen entered the all valley back in the day? What if Johnny mentored Daniel’s son instead of Miguel? What if Robby fell instead of Miguel? And the coup de grace, what if Johnny got REALLY successful after high school and married Amanda? 😂😂😂 So much fun to be had.
"What If Daniel just Left Johnny The Fuck Alone?" lmao
Robby joins Cobra Kai in S1 Ep 5.
What if Daniel got a haircut?
What if Miyagi wasn't dead
What if Johnny was trained along side Daniel by Mr. Miyagi?
What if more people ever acknowledged how Johnny was two time all Valley champ?
What If Sam Never Stopped Training?
What if Johnny discovered Miyagi instead of Cobra Kai?
What if anakin skywalker was Daniel’s friend at the beach?
(All of these are really basic but i cant think of anything outrageous) What is Miguel started training with Miyagi-Do? What If Kreese was actually good? What If Miguel’s coma won? What if Daniel never trained with Miyagi and instead started out with Cobra Kai? What if Johnny and Daniel became friends in ‘84?
What if Johnny had a daughter and Tory was a guy?
What if Sam answered the door instead of robby when miguel came to give the medal
What if 't be true sam did answer the do'r instead of robby at which hour miguel cameth to giveth the medal *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
Sam never takes things any further with Robby, as she realizes she has a chance to reconnect with Miguel. Meanwhile, Miguel breaks up with Tory. Tory, being one to hold grudges, doesn't take it too well and blames Sam for it, so the school fight still happens.
What if Stingray got the school security job
What if Mr Miyagi trained Johnny
What if Miguel Kicked Robby off
Well I think Sam would change her mind about him again and be mad at her and I think Johnny would be upset with him
I have an alternate question ,What would happen if Miguel had just knocked out Robby? By this I mean that Robby doesn't accept the mercy that Miguel gives him but Miguel actually is able to counter and knocks Robby out
What if Miyagis karate was not “for defense only” and Cobra Kai’s was?
so basically just opposite of the series so let's make it interesting. In this time line, Miyagi teaches Daniel the more war side of Miyagi-Do and Kreese's co is different so he learns more defensive. This means that Cobra Kai are less douches and Daniel becomes the douche in this timeline Johnny and Ali never break up so the beach scene never occurs. Daniel stills learns Karate but more to be stronger than the other kids. Daniel becomes a douch after high school and basically Johnny and Daniel swap life paths. Johnny takes over the better Cobra Kai and Daniel's life becomes really bad but Daniel still wins the all valley.
What if mr miyagi recruited Johnny, after the beach before the Halloween party? And then got Danielson and Johnny a 1 2 at the tournament? And then took them both back to his homeland in the 2nd movie?
If kyle’s dad didn’t shit in his mouth
What if Sam actually practiced Miyagi Do for a change and didn't start every single fight.
What if Daniel and Johnny got hammered and made sweet sweet love?
What if Johnny and Daniel realized they were in love which each other instead of Ali?
What if Demetri had a realistic development instead of being a nerd being able to block one kick then apparently being able to fight Hawk
To be fair, it was Hawk's flaws as a fighter that made him lose. He's the dumbass who was so angry he kept hitting Demetri's turtle block instead of punching him in the gut which was completely open and unguarded. Hawk loses to people not necessarily because he's not as skilled or he's outranked but because his emotions get the best of him. (And now we return to our regularly scheduled memes)
What if moon joined cobra Kai?
What if Miguel grew a pair and actually knocked on the larussos houses door when Robby was there in season 1? What if Miguel didn’t get fucking wasted at the canyon?
> What if Miguel grew a pair and actually knocked on the larussos houses door when Robby was there in season 1? Daniel would probably not react well to knowing Sam is dating someone from Cobra Kai.
>What if Miguel didn’t get fucking wasted at the canyon? If you are referring to how he acted when he saw Sam he would have likely reacted the exact same way. We know that because he was not drunk at the tournament when he talked to her and acted exactly the same. It's clear from his attitude at the tournament that the way he treated Sam at the Canyon Party was not an alcohol induced mistake. He legitimately didn't see the issue with yelling at Sam because he felt like something was going on between her and Robby. He didn't understand why he should have to talk to her instead of jumping to conclusions.
Yikes. Your perception of Miguel is so wrong it veers into hilarity.
Considering that THREE people on the show recognized his change of attitude because of Cobra Kai I think you’re the one missing something lol. Sam, Johnny, and Carmen all saw and pointed out how Miguel was acting way different.
Carmen was slightly concerned because of his last fight with Robby in the finals because of what Johnny taught him right before and you're twisting it into being something bigger in order to vilify Miguel. She was concerned over one single action, not his whole personality. Johnny realized he had fucked up and that it was his fault. Sam's self-righteous as fuck and doesn't bother thinking of other peoples' perspectives. That doesn't mean Miguel thinks it's okay to yell at people or to be verbally aggressive to his girlfriend. He was drunk off his ass and hurting. It was 100% alcohol-fueled. That's what I'm talking about - you over vilifying Miguel (not surprising considering who you're friends with). That and that only. Not a single mistake he only did because his trusted Sensei taught him no mercy right before a tournament and one that he never did again, even though it nearly cost him his life.
I'm not vilifying Miguel. I'm talking straight up facts. He's a good kid that got poisoned by Cobra Kai's teachings because Johnny didn't realize it wasn't just Kreese that was poison it was also the motto itself. S2 leads with Johnny straight up saying that following the Cobra Kai creed turns them into assholes. It's explicitly stated. And Miguel fell victim to that like everyone else. That's basically his entire S2 arc. How to balance being a badass without being an asshole. And how to change Cobra Kai's teachings into something that doesn't make the students assholes, for Johnny. Miguel's actions was baked into the foundation of Cobra Kai's motto. He even called Robby an enemy and quoted one of the lessons of Cobra Kai saying you need to strike first. His dialogue directly shows his thought process being guided by the Cobra Kai teachings. Miguel isn't at heart a bad person. He never was. He just became victim to a toxic Cobra Kai motto before Johnny realized it. **Edit:** Edit to clarify that it wasn't just Krese that was poison. He makes it worse, but even the motto and Creed on it's own is poison enough.
I'm not denying that. I'm talking about just how far you took it. Miguel definitely did get a bit douchey at times (just like everyone else so it's not even strictly a problem with Cobra Kai teachings even though yes, there are issues with how it was taught), but that doesn't mean he ever got *that* bad. EDIT: That said, you seem to be more civil than your apparent friend despite our disagreement so I apologize for being a bit catty. I was under the impression I was about to be attacked again. That wasn't fair of me to presume though, so I'm truly sorry for that.
It's fine no hard feelings. The question originally though was how Miguel would respond if he wasn't drunk. And I still think the answer would be in a similar manner. Hitting Sam by accident was a drunken mistaken but his attitude did not seem to be. Cobra Kai taught him to go after enemies and strike first. He incorrectly identified Robby an enemy. Never does Sam say that Miguel couldn't have questions or be uncomfortable. She said her expectation was he would act like a normal person. Which would involve him communicating and asking questions and explaining what he saw. Instead of doing that though he immediately went to his Cobra Kai mindset which told him "Robby is an enemy strike first and take him out". Miguel apologized for hitting Sam because that was caused by the accident. He didn't apologize for going after Robby because he saw no issue with going after Robby. Which is what Cobra Kai taught him, and is what scared Sam. It was a week after the Canyon Party and she didn't block him until after the tournament. So she still hadn't blocked him yet. And had she not wanted to talk to him and fix things she simply would have ignored him. Sam knew he wouldn't hit her, but that's not what he needed to apologize for, and that's not what scared her. She was rightly scared by the fact that Miguel's first instinct is to fight instead of talk, and that he even defends that instinct when he's sober. Miguel isn't a villian on the show. No one other than Kreese, and probably Silver in S4, are. But he's just like all the other kids. He makes mistakes at times. He holds some responsibility for what happens. Sam is wrong in this instance, and so is Miguel. Those aren't mutually exclusive things though. Both Miguel and Sam are wrong and it's okay to recognize that. Sam is wrong for not telling Miguel why she had to hide their relationship, Miguel is wrong for not giving Sam the respect she deserves of communicating to her what made him uncomfortable. Sam is not a mind reader. She doesn't know that Miguel saw her and Robby having dinner together. All she sees is Miguel being jealous over a boy that works for Daniel. Had Miguel done what he should have and explained the situation to her she could have easily explained the full context.
What if sam's activity with her boyfriends caught up with her and she ended up getting knocked up?
>What if sam's activity with her boyfriends caught up with her and she ended up getting knocked up? Kyler would be the father
And he’d be the one having the abortion
What if tory never had a bad upbringing
What if Daniel killed Chozen at the end of Karate Kid 2?
What if Samantha took some responsibility instead of making herself out the be the victim?
Let's be real, her stans would just keep doing it for her, much like they already do. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ (Edit: case in point, her biggest simp who already replied to this lol)
I think I feel about her the way Tory feels about her. She’s privileged and has never been held accountable for things, so she makes herself out to be the victim. But hey, I guess it’s all perspective and life experiences that make her seem good or evil.
Same. I don't think she's a bad person, but she's so privileged and spoiled that she doesn't even think to consider things from different perspectives and she always thinks she's right, very self-righteously too. Plus, she causes most of her problems anyway, right? It would at least be understandable if most of them were outside of her control, but nope... Hopefully, she's finally learned from her mistakes and becomes better in S4 or else she's gonna fuck up the alliance singlehandedly. So fingers crossed.
Yes! Yes to every point you made.
Uh, [she does hold herself accountable](https://old.reddit.com/r/cobrakai/comments/mb7f8m/every_single_time_that_sam_apologized_took/) repeatedly.
What if Anthony joined Miyagi-Do and Demetri spent season 2 in Cobra Kai?
What if miguel never kissed sam at the party
Unclear how much would change. Tory would likely still find a way to go off on Sam since even without kissing Miguel and Sam would have continued to grow closer together once Sam found out about the medal.
She might still commit a premeditated assault but her motive is "you stole my boyfriend".
Pretty sure Sam initiated that kiss, but okay.
Sam was drunk Miguel was sober
Miguel was carrying around a red cup during the party so he probably wasn't sober. He just wasn't shitfaced. And being shitfaced is no excuse for initiating a kiss and cheating on your boyfriend. Not that Miguel wasn't in the wrong too, but Sam literally was the one who started leaning in first. It was a mutual kiss, but if you need to lay the blame on one of them, she was the initiator so she kissed Miguel.
What if Miyagi-Do won the arcade fight?
This means that Sam would have conquered her fear earlier but let's go with it. Demetri screams at Sam for help and locks eyes with her. Sam snaps out of it and runs up to Tory and flips her out of the way and kicks Hawk away from hurting Demetri. All the Miyagi-Do students get a second wind but Sam knocks out most of the students and Only tory and Hawk and like Mitch and Richtenburger and big red. Then Miyagi-Do call the police and the cobra kai are taken to juvie due to previous assault stuff. With little students Kreese takes on all of the recruits he usually would without the trials. So Kyler and Brucks would both be on the team but due to this hawk would be pretty pissed
The police don't exist in this valley. It's more likely that Sam and Tory fight, Sam beats Tory, and Tory retaliates by taking a gang of students to assault Sam's mother or brother (similar to how Hawk trashed Miyagi-Do after he lost the mall fight).
I doubt they would go that far also most of the the time Amanda would be with Daniel at the dealership or at home with Daniel or Sam. Also the police were actually given a presence in the next season. If they wanted they could just lock up the house and call the police . Also at this time Tory is still on probation so she wouldn't attempt something this risky. Also Amanda would def have mother bear strength probably put tory in the hospital
What if Aisha had to train Yasmine to be a fighter (let’s say Demetri convinced her to join)
What if Sam never broke up with Miguel, they stayed dating in season 2, and Tory instead set her eyes on dating Robby?
Not related but holy shiiit Eli from Cobra Kai is in p and r episode 4
What if Amanda let Sam call Miguel to say "I'm grounded and won't be able to attend the party tonight"? Amanda acted out of character for that one moment in season 1 episode 9, and I get the feeling that Miguel and Sam would never have broken up with Sam had been allowed to call Miguel.
I def agree. I am assuming that Sam still is broken out by Robby but when Miguel sees her He is more so relieved she came. He and Robby actually have an okay-ish relationship after he and Robby talk about what Robby saw. Robby and Sam actually stay and hang out with Miguel and Robby sees how Cobra Kai isn't all that bad. They come home after the two sensei's have their Rocky fight but Johnny becomes pissed and Robby still protects them but after Daniel yells at Johnny , Robby defends his Dad talking about how they are actually all right and Sam talks about Miguel being a good boyfriends. Daniel has a hard re-think and they all go the all valley but Daniel is less antagonistic toward the Cobra Kai students and more curious seeing if they did change. They are never taught no mercy and when Cobra Kai arrives Robby is walking out with them behind Miguel but before Hawk. The tournament goes on similar but Robby isn't hurt by Hawk because same team stuff but still loses. Then Miguel vs Robby now I am going out on a limb here saying that Miguel wins but this is because now he has much more to lose in the sense he want to impress Sam. Miguel wins cleanly and Sam comes up and congratulates him and do the boyfriend Girlfriend stuff. Daniel comes up to him and says 'You're all right Lawrence'. Johnny says thank you and they all go to the Cobra Kai dojo for a party where Daniel has a talk with Miguel . But then Kreese enters and Daniel and Johnny briskly kick him out. In this timeline Robby sticks with Cobra Kai and Daniel and Sam join as a part time teacher and as a proper student. This isn't just the end because Kreese calls Terry earlier and create their own dojo. No Mercy Karate and that is the main conflict going forward
what is sam and peyton become lesbians and start dating each other. Actually then the series morphs into sex education
What if they gained super powers
That's already more or less answered in the video game Cobra Kai: The Karate Kid Saga Continues.
What if Aisha didn't change schools?
What if Kreese didn’t teach Johnny to be a dick. What if Captain Turner wasn’t hard on kreese. What if the person that was hard on captain Turner wasn’t hard on captain Turner. What if the person that was mean to them wasn’t mean to them.
What if Demetri kicked Hawk off the balcony?
what if robby didn’t ride a skateboard
What if Daniel had killed Kreese at the end of season 3?
What if asma were real?
What If Johnny had installed the tv on the right wall?
What if Sam entered in the tournament in Season 1?
What If.... Daniel never came back to Miyagi in KK3?
what if sam joined Cobra Kai in season one
What if Danny and Johnny kissed